Raziere Watches: One Piece

[Lord Raziere]

Okay, I want to voice my thoughts on One Piece, but when I did on the official thread I was rebuffed since it was about the appreciation of One Piece, apparently my criticism wasn't welcomed, therefore I will instead, voice them here. Note, I'm partially doing this out of snark every time I see something I dislike, and partially doing this to see why people like this show. I like the idea of pirates, but I don't like what One Piece has done with them, and are searching for why people like this despite its bizarreness and moral dissonance.

wraps up the Usopp storyline. good. hopefully we won't have to focus on Mr. pinnochio-cried-wolf ever again. my expectations will most certainly be disappointed, which I meta-expect of my expectations.

AVAST, PLOT HOLE SIGHTED! How did Luffy get captured by the Marines? wouldn't the crew defend him from being taken by them? Didn't he take on Kurahadol like a couple episodes ago? what kind of pirate are you, Luffy?

the people are still enjoying their meals even though they heard CANNON FIRE RIGHT OUTSIDE? and like, heard and probably felt the chef's place getting cannon'd? either the walls are soundproof, or these people are very good at ignoring things....

yes, one year Luffy. you probably deserve it. you'll gain good experience of what your future cook will have to go through, learn a valuable skill for once, and learn some responsibility. consider it a part of your work to become a pirate king.

and the supposed pirate hunters have fixed the pirate ship. either these guys don't really hunt pirates and just carry around the wanted posters to make themselves look authentic- probably neither does Zoro, we never saw him hunt any pirates- or they are really incompetent, or business has been slow and they only hunt the pirates with really big bounties. or, perhaps, they are enlightened souls who recognize that the straw hats are not pirates at all, and therefore are there to try and help them away from their misguided path. turn back Luffy, there is still hope for you to not be an evil brigand.

Yet Another Egotistical Villain Who Cannot Handle Things Not Going His Way. Yawn.

Must be a bad business day for this restaurant....nothing but pirates.

Fullbody, you have the right idea about this restaurant, methinks its starting to be the worst restaurant ever. never come here again, indeed.

and of course, Luffy sociopathically looks at a guy get beat up with his blankface on. really, some shonen hero. while he is friendly, he seems a lot like Tarquin in ways, and people, fans of the show have told me that he isn't really a hero since he only saves people he is friendly with. if that does not scream sociopathic, I don't know what does. oh and all those rich people clap for that cook beating him as well. real sympathetic there! the guy who only wanted some food is beat up mercilessly and no one but Sanji, who I predict is going to give him some food, will care. lets see if I'm right.

yes I am! and of course Luffy doesn't do anything and instead wants to snag the cook for himself. not earning you any points Luffy, Sanji you don't have listen to the straw-hatted fool, your cool as you are, don't join him, its a trap, go your own way, become the chef that solves world hunger or something, instead of y'know, serving a sociopath who clearly puts on a mask of false friendliness towards everyone.

Good Sanji! refuse the straw-hatted fool. keep serving your awesome former pirate restaurant ship. you'll be doing the world a lot more good.

Luffy, that is not how you get people to join. you fail recruitment forever. I refuse your refusal at Sanji's refusal. yay! yea you tell him Sanji! that straw-hatted fool needs to learn to take no for an answer! pity because of the opening credits its clear you will join him anyways. I intend to watch your tragic downfall from the great man that you are...until you are a foolish "pirate" who follows and an even more foolish "pirate". until then, I salute you Sanji. your time as a good person will be brief, but it will probably be awesome, until you join his crew.

Luffy, listen to the guy who is older, more experienced and probably got washed up from the Grand Line itself. its not a nice place.

so the "customers are kami" cook is the reason why the restaurant lost its waiters. how does this place even function? I'm not talking about the restaurant, I'm talking about the entire world...

ha! Luffy is really getting his just desserts here. karma is cruel Luffy, karma is cruel. on the other hand, its likely that the restaurant will go out of business or get destroyed soon because of Luffy's stupidity at doing anything of value.

Sanji! don't fall for her charms. she has been tainted the straw hat disease. don't encourage him, head chef.


what, did the dishes just teleport onto Usopp and Zoro as Sanji flew through the air? maybe this is why the restaurant is famous: the meals know when they are about to get destroyed and react to get out of the way just in time so that the customer can continue to eat it.

Nami once again proves that she is a better pirate than anyone here. she actually cheats people out of their money like a pro.

Luffy: I blankface at you fog. blankface! blankface! BLANKFACE! you cannot stare down the blankness of my face!

ordinary random people: my god....its a boat! WE ARE ALL SCARED! even though four days two boats approached and we didn't even notice when they fired a cannon! aaaah. wait...how did they recognize that flag through the fog, from that far away!? just....how....

and how is that wrecked thing even afloat!?

Patty your an idiot. when pirates come into a restaurant, say they are starving and have money, you say YES. considering how obsessed you were with "CUSTOMERS ARE KAMI!" before, this kind of goes against your motto right? so either your a forgetful idiot or just a jerk who uses his position to bully people. I'm thinking the latter. Yup, even after this big badass pirate guy humbles himself and begs for leftovers, you deny him. you are an idiot beyond compare. I mean you could extract so many promises from him then feed him, if he goes back on his word, your in the right!

Sanji again, demonstrates the only real compassion here....

....and Gin is an idiot to bring him here.... guess Patty was right about this after all...

wow, Sanji, your a great guy, but 100 men? man, how're you going to pull that off? at least your more compassionate than Strawhats, they only help people they're friendly with and know. Sanji on the other hand, helps people he doesn't even know, led by an enemy. I think Sanji should be the hero he-

-oh he actually doesn't care, he just serves food because people are hungry and doesn't think about the consequences. never mind. he is already infected by the strawhat virus. there goes my hope that he was actually a good guy....

hm, I sort of want Don Krieg's steampunk gun-armor. think you disarmed me? I got a gun in my shoulder pad! *blam* think that was all? I got one in my KNEE! *bang* or how about ones hidden in my chesplate? *bang bang bang*





didn't Krieg take the glove off of that hand? 0_o

and yup, Luffy is evil. he only stepped in when his concerns came up. your not sympathetic Luffy. leave the One Piece to be obtained by the experts. your just a stupid kid who doesn't know what he is getting into.

good Zoro! hit Usopp! keep doing that, he deserves it. now do the same for Luffy every time he opens his mouth, and your golden.

well this is interesting, a single man destroyed 50 ships in the Grand Line. I wonder why...

hm, wha, Zoro you know something? and Luffy has no survival instinct. great. of course. and Zoro you still want to go? ugh, both you are making Usopp look smart again. stop doing that, it makes the world a little darker every time you do

no wait, Sanji is also smart, you earn one smart point Sanji, work for them, you get enough and you might pay off your big Stupid Debt of one million stupid points for being an amoral cook who doesn't consider the consequences of his actions.

and here is where you become stupid Don Krieg, your men are probably not going to follow you back to that place y'know, after they experienced such a great nightmarish time so....what you gonna do now? shoot people, right....whelp,
Don Krieg, you might as well be dead now. your officially going into stupid territory. nice knowing you.

wait who is that guy floating up in a little dingy. oh god its hawk eyes isn't it.

yup, Hawk Eyes, there goes the ship. and you guys are surprised that Nami left with all the treasure? hmph. shows how perceptive you are.


Commentary on previous episodes:

Meh, maybe I have just know these ones too well, but I found them a little boring. seems pretty standard backstory and defeating egocentric villain stuff.


well, made it past the stupid clown pirate. yet another egomaniac, who blames Shanks for his own stupidity.

oh, and lets not forget the weird super-focus on a dog of all things. I mean I expect that sort of super-memory focus on something it apart of the shonen genre, but a dog? thats just ridiculous.

and now we get....Usopp. yea. I'm not sympathetic to him. he is a bundle of flaws and stupidity.
"Don't insult my criminal father who raids ships at sea, whom I probably don't know anymore! he.....is admirable....for....some....reason..."
"I know, I will warn the village about the pirate attack! That I have lied about before! a hundred times! and then I will warn Karra that her trusted butler who she believes has been protecting her since her parents have died that he is actually deceiving her as a part of a byzantine get rich quick scheme! when I'm a known liar! and if that doesn't work, I will kidnap her! THIS CANNOT POSSIBLY GO WRONG!"
*two seconds later*
"WHY IS IT GOING HORRIBLY WRONG!?"
"I just heard him say that telling others won't work! should I either: A, do something smart for once and actually try to defeat the guy before he can fulfill his plan or B: try and warn the village anyway, even though I'm a known liar? dur, B! because I'm too much of a coward."

and way to go Luffy on basically revealing that you are there! thats right folks, Usopp doesn't have a stupidity monopoly here, because Luffy has no sense of when say "lets go back and warn them without telling the villain!" or heck, he doesn't even the common sense not to look at a hypnotic thingy! or to act fast enough to punch the hypno-guy before he can hypnotize you! you don't even have to move from your spot! you can stretchy-punch him from your perch! you hear people in danger and somehow, Usopp has more sense than you, because at least he is acting fast enough to actually do something! even if its useless! arrrgh.


12:
hm, Nami is the only real pirate in the crew. She has her pirate priorities straight.
at least economics wise, she still needs to work being a better combatant if she ever wants to do some proper pillaging.

really, Luffy, why did you recruit a guy who hunts pirates and a thief who thinks pirates as morally beneath her as your first members of your pirate crew? thats like recruiting a police officer and a private eye as the first members for a mafia or a gang.

13:
Jango, your hypnotism is useless

oh hey Kuro showed up. aaaaaaaaah?

14:
Kuro....kills nobody. tch. some all killing captain he is.

oh hey Nami does something useful! two things really.

15:

Luffy is revived. Nami is still the only pirate with her priorities straight, the other could learn a lot from her. but...why are they acting surprised at the stretchy stuff? they ALREADY saw Luffy take them all down with one flurry of stretchy blows attack two episodes ago!

and Kuro turns down Kayas offer. surprise surprise! Luffy is once again making Usopp look good through inaction. there are even times when Usopp is trying to look good and be a hero! this is unforgivable. a least he is the most beat up of them all, Usopp deserves every wound. because he is Usopp.

and we get a flashback for why Kuro left his life as a pirate.......why do we need this? I pretty much inferred that Jango did his hypno stuff that Kuro wants some peace and quiet where he lives so....yeah, whats the point of this flashback? its restating what we already know.

16.
also, the opening music is sort of annoying. sure it fits the show, but it doesn't fit pirates, and thats what sort of bothers me about One Piece: the pirates is just an excuse for happy-go-lucky adventures, and I'd just prefer it if cleaved closer to the actual piracy and such rather than this false pirate thing, I mean, I can understand Naruto or Bleach, because ninjas are supposed to be government spies and assassins anyways while the guys in Bleach are supposed to defend the afterlife and kill hollows, and the Fairy Tail is supposed to be a guild at goes around, beating up dangers for money.....One Piece is a bunch of people aimlessly drifting around stumbling upon troubles for no reason. I can understand the others because there is a method to the action, One Piece however....what. pirates are not virtuous. they are criminals that do evil pillaging stuff. why? how? just....argh...there is nothing virtuous in what pirates do, why try and paint them as guys who can do something virtuous?

so Luffy does have emotion! No wait, his emotions disappear again. more blankface. Luffy expresses his emotions really weirdly. he is like some weird doll who stands around doing nothing with a wide blank stare then suddenly does something....then stops, stands around some more, then suddenly does something again, once a while, flash of actual emotion! then blankface again.


Again, mostly created this thread to do something similar to other Watch X's, if you don't like it....there is the One Piece thread for appreciating it, I'm not welcome there and I don't want to be a jerk who clutters up such a thread with with jerk-thoughts, so here we are....

[turbo164]

I'll try to not be as harsh as some of the people in the One Piece thread, but really, it seems like you're complaining that a Shonen about "pirates" isn't a non-Shonen about real-world pirates. That's similar to complaining about James Bond not being secret enough for a secret agent, or for every superhero ever for breaking the laws of physics.

Sure it's fine to talk about a Superman movie, and mention "lol how did that airplane not tear in half when he caught it" alongside the good/bad acting and cool/boring explosions/romance or whatnot, but to say "this scene doesn't fit my vision of what it should be! and neither does this one! and neither does this one!" isn't all that constructive. :smallfrown:

Since One Piece focuses more on fun/dramatic anime adventures and less on rotten-toothed men stealing wenches and urinating in barrels, I'm not sure it's ever going to match your expectations, unless you decide to focus more on the story/humor/action and less on the failing to be nonfiction.

See: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/09/06

As for your reviews, um, glad you at least enjoyed the thief being a thief and Krieg's cool weapons. I agree Usopp's lying gets repetitive, but he become more interesting later on.

[Lord Raziere]

I'm sorry, but for some reason, for other Shonen things make sense while for this is, it just doesn't. maybe it just doesn't appeal to my sense of verisimilitude, but I just can't wrap my head around how THIS could be the most popular anime or whatever when the flaws are so clear, the characters motivations not even that interesting, the main characters seeming to be so passive in how they go about doing everything, the goofy way everything is handled.

tell me, how many arcs is this same bright and happy mood going to go on? can't I just skip to the part/arc where people claim "it gets good" because once you've seen one bright and happy arc......you've seen them all. hero gets caught up in situation, situation worsens a little, hero saves day. I mean, do I even have to read or watch this current arc through to know that Luffy will go off sailing for Nami with Sanji in tow to get back their treasure and navigator, after they beat Don Krieg somehow? or was that prediction wrong in some way?

[Legato Endless]

If the pirate thing bothers you, just insert adventurer or soldier of fortune in instead. That's a pretty good approximation of what the protagonists are.

[Xondoure]

One Piece kicks logic to the curb from the get go. If you're not there for the wacky hijinks and absurd combat it doesn't have a lot to offer. It's a really popular manga because it makes some of the best use of Rule of Cool anywhere. That's about as much as I can say for it.

[Lord Raziere]

One Piece kicks logic to the curb from the get go. If you're not there for the wacky hijinks and absurd combat it doesn't have a lot to offer. It's a really popular manga because it makes some of the best use of Rule of Cool anywhere. That's about as much as I can say for it.

So........nothing deeper then? that is all?

sigh....I guess I should've known. I like logic in what I watch. nevermind watching it then. its clearly just not the thing for me. I wish people would just TELL ME these things sooner so that I don't have to waste other people's time with this kind of stuff.

[Deathkeeper]

Admittedly, that's such a huge part to what most people consider its charm, that to most people it's really obvious. Especially when the most serious parts of the show, usually when someone starts crying and Luffy decides he needs to seriously go beat someone up, are still interspersed with slapstick.
But that's a part of why some people like it. Me, I prefer FMA in terms of Shonen; I can't get into these hundred-episode arcs. At times it does have some pretty dark stuff, people getting really screwed over and such, it's just that it's presented in such a way that it doesn't stay dark for long since the cast is only using it as motivation if they address it at all. Shows like Fairy Tail can often match One Piece in ridiculousness (don't you dare tell me it doesn't I've seen some of its wacky fan service moments) but the difference is that the main characters act pretty serious about stopping the Big Bad(s). Luffy often will be, it's just that he usually keeps the happy-go-lucky tune almost all the time until he starts losing a fight against the guy, because that is the uniform mood of the show.

[Lord Raziere]

thats the exact mood I just can't wrap my head around as good in any way. I like some seriousness and humor, not just plain silliness everywhere.

well, this thread was short. not going to watch more if this is all I'm gonna get.

[LaZodiac]

There are a lot more serious situations, I think saying that wacky hijinks is all the series can offer is a bit misleading.

And for what it's worth, I appreciate seeing another opinion on the series. It's interesting to see how someone else views then series.

[Tanuki Tales]

There is practically nothing happy go lucky about the Marineford War.

...

Well, except Buggy.

[turbo164]

If you can make it to episode 35 or so, you'll see some of the more famous non-silly scenes. Even if you do find those touching/cool/etc I doubt you'll ever make it through all 600+ since the wackiness tends to be *much* more common. But it should help with your "why do people like this" experiment; a lot of people enjoy the wackiness, while others tolerate its existence between hellyeah/omg moments. Heck the show practically *weaponizes* sillyness; (very minor spoiler)with the Shonen tradition of "calling your attacks", Usopp sometimes calls the wrong attack on purpose to throw his opponent off guard!

There are some darker arcs later on, so maybe if you make it to 35 you could ask which places it's safe to skip around to; but those moments lose context without some of the happier stuff in between, so you might just want to find a series that's naturally darker.

Still, if you can stomach 12 more episodes, that should give you a rough idea of what the show looks like when it puts the silly hat away. And there's a few cool moments along the way too.

[Tebryn]

There is practically nothing happy go lucky about the Marineford War.

...

Well, except Buggy.

Or Alabasta or Impel Down or any of the late series really. Fishman Island Arc? The Slap Stick gets ratcheted down in the later series.

[Tanuki Tales]

Or Alabasta or Impel Down or any of the late series really. Fishman Island Arc? The Slap Stick gets ratcheted down in the later series.

What are you talking about; there's plenty of slapstick and humor in all that you mentioned there.

Marineford is literally the only arc that really cuts the humor and is completely grim.

[Lord Raziere]

kay....I'll try to get through it again....at least to 35....don't know why I masochistically keep trying to do this....maybe I'm trying to expand my horizons and are just doing a phenomenally bad job at it?


I just realized something. Gold Roger said "left it at that place" but he never specified WHERE. Is it really at the Grand Line? The way the opening is presented implies that everyone assumed that it was at the Grand Line when Gold Roger could've just hid it somewhere else where no one would think to look, and just gone for ambiguous wording...

again, you guys are SURPRISED that a thief who said before that she disliked pirates, stole from pirates, and kept all the gold to herself took advantage of you? really?

and look! its a blankface off! Zoro vs. Luffy........BLANKLY STARE!

*They stare at each other for a few moments, with close ups of their faces, getting closer to their eyes*

The tension is high folks! Which one of their blank stares will outblank the other? Which one will break first! These two stoic people are the first of this anime to compete in the blankface offs! and boy are they going at it, never giving in, never tiring out, the clock is ticking folks, who will win before the round is over!?

And the Winner Is..... LUFFY! To be honest folks, I'm not really surprised, Luffy has been exercising for this first match of blankface-offs since the anime began, and he is not likely to quit any time soon, Zoro just could not compete.

but do you really need Usopp to come along? can't you like, steal a spoon from the restaurant or something? I'm pretty sure a spoon would somehow be more useful than Usopp for this, just like a spoon would be more useful than Usopp for anything ever. At least Zoro could convince Nami that since the spoon comes from a prestigious restaurant, that its worth a lot of money, and therefore bribe her to come back...oh they are bringing the two pirate hunters along. they are mildly less useless than Usopp, so at least they'll be able to do something peripherally good in some minor way that slightly improves the situation.

"Things here are abnormal."? forget Luffy, Zoro you are Captain of the Obvious Pirates, your jolly roger can be a skull stating that its a skull. now get going already.

Zoro....you are going to lose. I'll give you.....five seconds. if you survive that long against Mihawk, I'll consider you a badass, how does that sound?

no wait, Mihawk has decided to do that jerkish "I'm going to play with you like an ant" thing and not fight seriously, offer rescinded.

whats with the sudden fog? and a single stab from a dagger to beat him....yea...

and oh, seriously now? my offer returns Zoro. I'll give you five seconds to last against Mihawk when he is serious. if you can do so, I'll consider you a badass. go!

.....and you didn't last five seconds. fail.

Sanji, you once again state what is smart right now....have another smart point.

and Luffy does something stupid again. yea, Luffy your not going to beat this guy either. but I do appreciate the thought of getting yourself beat up for me so that I may laugh at your pain. aw no beat ups? hm, Don Krieg, that was kind of stupid of you. I thought you were more intelligent...



heh, Chef Zeff, you are smart, you are right, Luffy would probably destroy your restaurant, better to just let him destroy these guys so that you can get on with your life.

Krieg, will shooting really solve all your problems?.....yea you probably think so, thats how your messed up in the head I guess.....

ok, who is this weird guy with all the disks and the pearl on his head? what weird gimmick is he going to throw at us? will it involves clams or something? does he do something with circles? does he spit water? does he use clams to shoot water in circles that are sharp and entrap people in razor water until they die shredded from all sides?

oh he is a shield. nevermind. aaaand you drove him into a berserker rage, way to go Luffy....

guys? can you stop standing around and put out the fire....?

huh, this is actually a good cliffhanger. will Gin choose to shoot Zeff or not? remember, Sanji fed you....

[ThePhantom]

Well, Zoro lasted longer than 3 seconds against Mihawk, that more than the majority of the world would last. So, does anyone remember when the Sanji flashback shows up?

[Hiro Protagonest]

Maybe we should come up with a list of all the filler episodes (non-manga content). While it probably won't help a lot to sway your opinion of the early arcs, or maybe even your opinion as a whole, it'll save time.

[Tebryn]

What are you talking about; there's plenty of slapstick and humor in all that you mentioned there.

Marineford is literally the only arc that really cuts the humor and is completely grim.

I didn't say it was gone completely. I said they had less than previous arcs. There hasn't really been an arc that hasn't had a little comedy/slapstick in it.

[Frozen_Feet]

I actually find this thread very amusing. Keep watching, Raziere. At this rate, you'll even come to like it. :smallamused: I don't see your general missappreciation of the mood of the show as a detriment, knowing what is juuust around the corner. Heh heh heh.

But really, you aren't exactly wrong when you say a) that Luffy is stupid and b) the Strawhats are mostly heroes by coincidence. What you've yet to wrap your head around is that they're not even supposed to be moral paragons - they're just a bunch of romantic goofs chasing after their personal dreams.

And it will come back to bite them in the ass. :smallamused:

[Tanuki Tales]

The Strawhats just happen to be the lesser of two jerks or the gray to the antagonist's pitch black evil. The villains just have a bad habit of doing something to piss Luffy off.

[LaZodiac]

You expected Zoro to last 5 seconds against a guy who literally chops ships in half :smallamused:

Zoro's loss here is actually, for most people at least, a really interesting moment of character development for Zoro. It's at this moment that he truly decides that he'll never lose again. Hope you enjoy the future exploits of Roronoa Zoro, because he's actually kind of amazing.

However, don't take my word for it. I honestly think the best thing we could do is STOP hyping the series up, and let you watch it without being raving fans about it.

[ryuplaneswalker]

There is an answer to the whole "why are you a pirate if you are not going to steal" thing, I can spoil that bit if you want as it is not very plot important.

As to the "explanations" for powers the devil fruits haven't gotten one yet, but the rest of the sorta strange powers I think come from "Fighting Spirit, Ki, Chi, whatever you want to call it"

Honestly Bleach and Naruto both gave explanations behind the powers early on, which came back to bite the plot right in the rump in recent years, so it may be better that Oda just kinda says "here this is a power, I am going to keep it's effects consistent over the manga but I am not going to go into deep detail about it"

[Lord Raziere]

oh I already know that, the adventuring thing.

its just that I don't get why saying he is a pirate is necessary. Luffy can do whatever he wants without labeling himself that way. why tie himself to a bunch of guys feared for looting, pillaging and killing people?

and I have no problem with the explanations for the powers- chi is standard shonen explanation, I'd actually be more surprised if a Shonen didn't use that. the devil fruit are probably chi altering things, imbalancing the kind of chi you have in a way that disrupts your coordination and movement when it encounters water chi, which is why they can't swim.

my grievance is not with the consistency of the powers or anything, they seem to check out, its with the tone, the mood, the decisions the characters make, that grate on my nerves.

[Legato Endless]

No he can't.

A Pirate in One Piece is basically any adventurer who doesn't act subservient to the international law. They might do other flagrantly illegal things, but that's the bare minimum. The act of raising a Jolly Roger means you've violated the law, and are thus an enemy of the establishment. It's a mark of personal pride and individuality. Pursing grand adventure in the world of One Piece will eventually get you labeled as such anyway, Luffy is just ahead of the curve.

[ryuplaneswalker]

It is also connected to his back story, and the reason he wants to be King of the Pirates.

It is incredibly hard to talk about Luffy these days without loads of spoilers, it is an incredible slow burn series though I can easily see someone wanting to just quit at this point because really it is near episode 30 and all that has really happened was setting up for the first real major arc.

[Tebryn]

No he can't.

A Pirate in One Piece is basically any adventurer who doesn't act subservient to the international law. They might do other flagrantly illegal things, but that's the bare minimum. The act of raising a Jolly Roger means you've violated the law, and are thus an enemy of the establishment. It's a mark of personal pride and individuality. Pursing grand adventure in the world of One Piece will eventually get you labeled as such anyway, Luffy is just ahead of the curve.

People have tried to explain this to Raziere and he went and made this thread because he got upset that people were telling him he was wrong. He wants to believe what he wants to believe and go into the series with preconceived notions and a lack of willingness to leave them at the door. I say let him, he's watching and commenting on a series he doesn't like and probably won't ever because he wants it to be something that it isn't and won't ever be.

[Lord Raziere]

No he can't.

A Pirate in One Piece is basically any adventurer who doesn't act subservient to the international law. They might do other flagrantly illegal things, but that's the bare minimum. The act of raising a Jolly Roger means you've violated the law, and are thus an enemy of the establishment. It's a mark of personal pride and individuality. Pursing grand adventure in the world of One Piece will eventually get you labeled as such anyway, Luffy is just ahead of the curve.

But why can't you just do the same thing....without raising a jolly roger? whats the difference?

[BWR]

Maybe someone wanted to try to tip the scales in favor of pirates, considering how many ninja there are running around.

[Devonix]

But why can't you just do the same thing....without raising a jolly roger? whats the difference?

Raising a jolly roger is not what makes you a pirate in one piece. Pirate is just a catch all term for rebel against the government.

[TimeWizard]

But why can't you just do the same thing....without raising a jolly roger? whats the difference?

Since you've seen at least 20 or so episodes, you must realize how big a deal pirates are in the world of One Piece.

Also? You aren't Moviebob or Yahtzee or MST or CinemaSins. You've already committed the biggest sin of not being funny- keep the day job.

[LaZodiac]

Since you've seen at least 20 or so episodes, you must realize how big a deal pirates are in the world of One Piece.

Also? You aren't Moviebob or Yahtzee or MST or CinemaSins. You've already committed the biggest sin of not being funny- keep the day job.

Ok, that's actually pretty rude. And of those, I only know/think that MST and CinemaSins are actually funny.

Anyway, to actually answer Raziere's question, no, there's really no reason for why he HAS to be a pirate, other then his decision to be one. He had a motive for why, beyond just exploring, but no he doesn't NEED to be a pirate for the series to work. Though they would end up labeling him one anyway.

[Tanuki Tales]

If you're not a Pirate, then you're a Revolutionary. :smallwink:

[Lord Raziere]

no, Timewizard, you don't like my Watch, don't read. the commentary is not even there to entertain YOU. its more to entertain ME to get through this. I don't think I could get through this if I limited my comments purely to the boring qualitative assessment of it. heck, this is not even a review. I'm just reacting and trying to figure out why people like this, not pass judgement on One Piece. my judgement of One Piece is skewed, I know I probably won't ever do a fair evaluation of it, so I'm just having my fun however I can.

as for funny.....well....either I'm not funny, or its just not to your taste. if I am not funny, please sample from finer drinks than I then, and not waste your time with bilge, yes? your life is too short to waste your time on what you consider low-quality. either seek high-quality works that far surpass mine, or I will consider you crazy. I'd honestly hate to keep you from seeking out better things if I am not entertaining.

@ as for the jolly roger thing: thanks LaZodiac. maybe its just my pragmatism again going "but why? the flag marks them as targets! they could fly under a white flag instead and trick people into thinking they're negotiating or something then attack when their guard is down!"

[Tanuki Tales]

@ as for the jolly roger thing: thanks LaZodiac. maybe its just my pragmatism again going "but why? the flag marks them as targets! they could fly under a white flag instead and trick people into thinking they're negotiating or something then attack when their guard is down!"

Because then they'd be like Don Krieg.

See, back during One Piece's proto-formation as Romance Dawn, pirates were split into two denominations: You were either a Peace Main or a Morganeer. The former were the romantic, adventurous, happy go lucky pirates like the Straw Hats and the Red Hair pirates. Morganeers were the other type of pirates, who weren't above being dirty, cheating, lying, atrocious monsters as long as they got what they wanted (like Buggy, Kuro and Krieg).

[Lord Raziere]

yea, but if the government targets you anyways, what is the point? Don Krieg is more likely to survive than other pirates because of it, so either those pirates who do are the foolish ones who get killed early, and most of the real pirates both Peacemains and Morganeers don't actually fly any flag out of plain survival....or the marines are incredibly incompetent at what they do.

and yes I know, I've read Romance Dawn, but then again Romance Dawn has a Nami who is selfless and cares about the town she lives in, and unless that explanation shows up in One Piece proper well....I can't really accept it, and if people treat Peacemains the same as Morganeers well.....whats the point of the distinction?

[Tanuki Tales]

yea, but if the government targets you anyways, what is the point? Don Krieg is more likely to survive than other pirates because of it, so either those pirates who do are the foolish ones who get killed early, and most of the real pirates both Peacemains and Morganeers don't actually fly any flag out of plain survival....or the marines are incredibly incompetent at what they do.

and yes I know, I've read Romance Dawn, but then again Romance Dawn has a Nami who is selfless and cares about the town she lives in, and unless that explanation shows up in One Piece proper well....I can't really accept it, and if people treat Peacemains the same as Morganeers well.....whats the point of the distinction?

The ultimate distinction is that Morganeers are weaker than Peace Mains. Peace Mains don't need all of the underhanded skullduggery because they can get by on their strength, wits, luck, charisma and friendship alone. Morganeers need all those things because they're a crutch.

While underhanded pirates will continue to be a thing in One Piece as you go on, you'll find that Don Krieg was only a big name in the East Blue and that his tactics didn't cut it in Paradise and sure as hell would have gotten him killed in the New World.

[ThePhantom]

Funny about Nami's hometown, but that would be spoilers. Anyways, its fun to see your thoughts on this. Sure I like One Piece a lot more than you currently do, but not everyone likes the same things. All I ask is just for you keep giving your honest thoughts on the series.

[Lord Raziere]

@ Taunki:.....:smalleek: ok now thats interesting. say no more.

[Tanuki Tales]

@ Taunki:.....:smalleek: ok now thats interesting. say no more.

Yeah, sorry, dropped a mini-spoiler there. The Grand Line is two parts and that's the names of them. I'll stop there though and I seriously hope you enjoy One Piece.

[ryuplaneswalker]

Going back to the Jolly Rodger question, could Luffy do all this without it? Oh very much so however a Jolly Rodger has symbolic meaning to Luffy to him it is a symbol that someone is willing to put everything on the line for their dreams.

Now, nobody else in this setting has that viewpoint or at all comes close to it but Luffy does really goofy crap sometimes.

[GloatingSwine]

Raising a jolly roger is not what makes you a pirate in one piece.

It actually is.

Because there are also the Revolutionaries, who aren't pirates or called pirates.

Because they don't fly the jolly roger and don't declare themselves as pirates.

[Lord Raziere]

now, lets get back to actually watching this thing:

Wait.....Luffy just stated something smart? What just happened? Why did Luffy suddenly state something that has actual survival instinct involved in it? is he the real Luffy?

oh I get it, Sanji cut off Zeff's leg, probably for good reason. would explain a lot. I sense the real backstory coming up though, I've only saw a flash of the flashback.

Ow. Sanji is lucky that attack didn't crush his skull between the cymbal-shields...

And the real flashback begins! lets see how Sanji cut off Zeff's leg, also I bet you two cookies that Sanji is Zeff's son.

All Blue? uuuuuuuuuuh....how would you tell? the ocean all looks the same...unless this series has advanced diving equipment and such or something...

oh, hm, nope, they just seem to both have blond hair...guess I owe somebody two cookies.

aw what, he got rid of his leg himself? aaaaaaw. that is badass though. saving a guy even at the cost of your leg...

:smalleek: starving and at the last loaf of bread. wow. now thats scary...

OH GOD. thats what the knife was for. I was completely wrong. the flashback was about attempted murder.

whelp....guess all that glitters ain't gold. kinda strange that they survived for so long, and does calling for help and waiving your hands about really work on sea?



Luffy, why are you axe-kicking the fin? just...why? oh your going to destroy the ship now. when there is no other functional ship around. and when your allies are on it. your surpassed your standards of stupidity, my friend. either that or your evil.

WHAT? Luffy, where are you getting this survival instinct from? this is twice now that you've tried to keep Sanji from dying! don't you routinely do crazy reckless fights?

oh good, that pearl-shield guy was getting annoying, bye bye!

Luffy: he insults people while wearing his blankface. what an endearing character.

ok, he has crossed from "blankface" to "slasher smile" your are a sociopath, Luffy, a freaky psycho-killer. chaotic evil.

Luffy: Sneak attack! I'm suddenly smart!
Don Krieg: LOLNO.
*BOOM*
*Slamback bullet*
good on yeh, Don Krieg. wouldn't want that weirdo coming near me either.

my god I just realized the parallels between Gin refusing to eat the food and Sanji refusing to defend himself from pearl-guy's attacks, they were both stubbornly clinging to their dignity.... and now Gin has returned the mercy of Sanji's mercy...

.....Gin....couldn't you have at least given Sanji that mask? or something? at least defy him in some way thats infuriating to Don Krieg as possible...

again, why is Luffy so smart all of sudden? I'm starting to get weirded out.



Slowest. Gas. Missile. Ever.

aaaand Gin is officially stupid, not only did he throw away his mask twice, he passed up the perfect opportunity to kill Luffy and save the world. too bad.

Yes, loyalty is a very selective virtue, isn't that right Sanji?

yep, Krieg is definitely another Kurahadol, seeing everyone as expendable.

an hour? he might as well be cured for sure in anime time....

and weirdest most obvious "slow" animation I ever seen, just plain awkward.

wow, everyone's reacting to a single punch. weird.

uuuuuugh, "why reckless guy is actually very dangerous" speech given by Zeff, why do I feel like I heard this before?

Gin is basically just a gasping fish now. too bad he isn't, or we could just throw him into the sea and he would be fine.

YES WE KNOW. Don Krieg is the greatest. Don Krieg can kick giant sea creatures with his fist, Don Krieg facts: Don Krieg once lied that he counted to infinity three times, people still believed him. will stop you stroking his ego? by now I'm starting to get the impression even without the spoiler from earlier, that he this guy is a serious case of his ego being far larger than his name, and that he is more hype than substance....

I SAID STOP STROKING HIS EGO! Is every villain going to have their crews become their disposal cheerleaders who just sit on the sidelines going "no one can beat X, he is X!" until suddenly they are like "oh my god! a guy is beating X!"
really its annoying how useless these people are, I'm starting to think most pirates are just sycophants that gather around strong leaders.

An exploding spear....I'll have to write that down as a mad science invention....I LOVE mad science....

AGH! more ego-stroking! It Keeps Happening!

Hah! One rubberboy, extra crispy. maybe Don Krieg can go into cooking? he already has the makings of a giant frying pan, just find a way to ditch one of the shields, then make the explosions happen to cook something, and then you have a frying pan and fire all in one! mobile cook, that and he is trying to get a restaurant, so maybe his real plan is go around trap people in his new restaurant while disguised as a cook then take all their valuables in exchange for a single meal, remember at Don Krieg's Pizza Parlor, YOU ONLY EAT ONCE!

yes, keep stroking your own ego, Don. I'm pretty sure thats all you have left...

Zeff um.....what kind of "spear" are you talking about....because well....it has connotations that well um......Don Krieg may be compensating....yea....that...would make sense given everything else about him, the whole thing about Don Krieg is that he is overcompensating, he is overcompensation incarnate....

AHAHAHAHAHA! his spear broke, now that overcompensation metaphor is complete. heheh.


Now that I think about it, what IS the One Piece? Is it a coin in reference to "Pieces of Eight" and purely symbolic, is it a crown? is some super-gaudy thing? the fact that its not defined makes me suspect that its something tricky, like one of those treasures so hard to get that when you get to it, it turns out to be a scroll saying "the friendship you have forged is the greatest treasure" in a big stupid cop out or something...

Yup Luffy is really working that Slasher Smile, looking real sadistic there. maybe he is like some sort of psychopathic manchild who behaves like a friendly kid but is really one of his sadistic murderers who hide behind a childish persona?

how many weapons does he have Sanji? AAAAAAAALL THE WEAPONS!

you can rocket punch a guy from mid air yet you can't get rid of the hypno-guy while standing on a cliff? Luffy, at least be consistent... but yeah, luffy, why didn't you just...punch him in the face like last time? thousand punch technique and not one goes for the face?

Luffy, you punched his armor again even after you knew it was useless, go home your drunk.

Don Krieg, your a walking freudian ball of stupidity. never change.

the cooks are calling Luffy "waiter boy" so much, that I think they think its his name. I don't really care, so why not I refer him as that as well? I'm pretty sure that would humiliating to Waiter Boy later in the anime.

wait, how does Waiter Boy call his attacks those guns when those things technically haven't been invented yet? or is this some weird schizo tech world where they do? if so, how would Waiter Boy know about them? he grew up in an isolated peaceful community didn't he?

sigh, again with these "I can't one step back" speeches. there is a difference between giving up the battle and giving up the war.

ok, problem: how're they going to get to Nami?

speaking of Nami....whats her story? she must be crying about something...don't tell me, I think I'm going to find out soon.



But....but....if Sanji wanted the boss to acknowledge his cooking, then why did they all say it was bad? what logic is this?

what the, a shark?

ah, here is the journal, the thing that Waiter Boy turns down because of adventure. hm. didn't think this offer would come so soon.

sigh, obligatory overdone farewell, par for the shonen course. not much happened this episode.

and the last is....Nami going towards what I assume is Arlong's fortress. the arc where episode 35 probably takes place. what will this guy do that will shake things up so much?

[Tanuki Tales]

Just letting you know, in the manga, it's way more dark. Zeff actually eats his leg while they're waiting to be rescued.

[Lord Raziere]

ah. THATS how he survives. was wondering about that, because they have clearly been there for more than two weeks, and I'm not even going to into the water situation...

[Tanuki Tales]

ah. THATS how he survives. was wondering about that, because they have clearly been there for more than two weeks, and I'm not even going to into the water situation...

Yeah, for some reason the anime team decided to have him heroically give up his leg underwater and somehow have Zeff survive through willpower instead of having him heroically give up all the food and then eat one of his own legs.

As for water, it rained at some point during their stay.

[ThePhantom]

Not knowing what One Piece is exactly is part of the fun.

But there is someone who knows what it is, ay Silver?
As Luffy grew up in an 'isolated peaceful community' ha. Bandits, Shanks, and Garp are not so peaceful.

[LaZodiac]

We don't know what One Piece is, everyone assumes it's Gold Roger's treasure.

Though let me remind you back to when Luffy fought Buggy, he called his hat his treasure. So yeah, it's up in the air what One Piece actually is.

Don't worry, starting with the next arc the minions of the villain start getting relevant, and the villains start being able to back up whatever ego stroking they might do.

Luffy was attacking the armour because Krieg was so proud of how indestructible it was. So that when he destroys it, it's all the sweeter.

Final point of order, pistols and rifles and bazooka's DO exist in universe. Bazooka's are just portable cannons, which aren't that schizo tech-y.

[turbo164]

Fyi I misread the wiki episode list and 37 was the one I meant >_<


he passed up the perfect opportunity to kill Luffy and save the world

:biggrin:

[Fiery Diamond]

I've never watched One Piece for the reasons you mention and because I can't stand the art style. (Though oddly, I'm fine with Fairy Tail's art. The early FT art is somewhat similar to OP art.) Your "watch" is absolutely hilarious. It's enough to make me sure I don't want to watch it, but also funny enough to keep me completely entertained on its own. Keep it up!

[Lord Raziere]

A few comments before I continue:

Since Shanks sacrificed his arm for Waiter Boy, and I proclaimed Zeff a badass for sacrificing his leg for Sanji/eating his own leg to survive, and I can't stand to be hypocrite, Shanks is therefore badass. also he is smarter than Waiter Boy and I suspect he didn't actually think that Waiter Boy would follow through, he just gave him the hat because he didn't want it to get damaged on his journey, so he gave it to a kid he probably thought was going to rethink the pirate thing...at least thats what I would say if this wasn't a shonen.

anime has a bad habit of kids promising to do things when they're young and holding themselves to it very very well, when realistically their older self would look back and go "I was STUPID back then" or "I don't remember that, must've been something I blurted out in a fit of stukidity" (stukid is now a word, definition: a type of stupidity exhibited by children or stupidity that imitates childish behavior) I mean I get the childhood dream thing, but even I gone through the stereotypical "I wanna be a fireman/train conductor" phase before wanting to draw, then as I grew older, wanted to become a writer. dreams may stay with you, but they evolve as you grow.

I'll admit that Buggy was hilarious in two instances: the part where he gets kicked in the nads, and the part where he is mini-Buggy before he gets blown away.

I'll admit, One Piece art IS kind of wonky for me. its one of the reasons I like Fairy Tail better: its more edged and refined, it just looks better to me.

Now to get to today's episodes!


And so begins.....Arlong Arc. will he live up to the hype that he is better than those small time pirates? will he actually pose a threat and back up his bluster with something of substance, let us find out.

Waiter Boy: Yay! I'm happy for some reason! even though my ship is stolen, most of my crew is separated and my navigator is a potential traitor! This is the best day of my life....for....some....reason...

Oh! Nami! show that little stupid punk who is boss! that'll teach him to try and kill himself by attacking Arlong!

she is in cahoots with Arlong. kind of obvious.

Zorro! your making Usopp sound smart again! stop doing that, your going against the natural order! stop being stupid! Your three guys against a fortress, and your injured, your going to get defeated! thank you Usopp and.....Sunglasses hunter guy, forget your name, thank you for keeping him from being a reckless idiot.

yes Zorro, let the hate flow through you, your anger at Usopp is growing...let it grow, wait until it is the right time to strike him down and take your place at my side. remember: no matter how smart Usopp sounds, it is against the natural order of things for him to be smart at all and he should slaughtered, even if you totally should do what he says when he makes sense, even though he is not supposed to.

ok, Usopp is stupid again, everything has returned to being natural and good. it is clear now that Usopp's temporary fits of sensibility and logic are only there to rationalize his acts of greater stupidity and failure. now it all makes sense.

I like how they just sail by and the mermen don't even seem to notice the boat, even as there is a merman staring right at it. it shows that the guards have high standards of stupidity and lack of awareness for minions, to properly play the role of easily snuck by stooges in the case of a hero wanting to save the day, too bad there is no hero around for them to do their job properly.

oh wait they do notice it, never mind. no! don't abandon ship you idiots, they're mermen they'll find you FASTER!

and thus through their complete incompetence and ignorance, Usopp and sunglasses manage to get Zorro right to Arlong! and the mermen still have the worst spot checks in the world, unable to see two men swim away from them in a hurry.

bad spot checks, but high in connecting the dots! now I see why they were recruited as guards, once they actually detect someone, they are able to extrapolate that others are probably with them to.

my god, this brat is even more stupid than I thought! he not only thinks he could take on Arlong without dying, but he wrongly thinks that mermen are just as bad as Usopp and therefore extrapolated that Usopp is a merman! nice going on trying to kill him though!

oh no, his mother also thinks the mermen are just as bad Usopp too, the delusion is spreading... oh no its even worse! they think that mermen look as ugly as Usopp! don't you dare insult such beautiful creatures. and yes thats the real thing, much more palatable and worthy of life than Usopp.

Usopp vs. random merman! go merman! rescue them from Usopp's existence which holds them captive! THANK YOU blue-haired lady! you defeated the dreaded Usopp and rescued yourself from his clutches! and you shut him up as a bonus!

oh no, she is protecting Usopp! the strawhat disease is spreading...

oh come on seriously? a sea cow? sea bull? glubmoo? blue bull gives you fins! I mean why are they even silhouetting it, we clearly see the outline and its not even that terrifying its just a freaking water cow, probably a seal-cow or otter--cow that does tricks when you feed it fish or something? really thats Arlong's big monster thing, seriously? I mean come on, at least have it be something cool....

Nami, you truly are a great pirate, hope this Arlong thing works out for you.



hah! well your unwillingness to share food is biting you in the behind now, Waiter Boy...

and once again, Sanji's compassion shows that he is smarter than Waiter Boy and solves problems better through said compassion- oh wait, Sanji figured out the monster wants bigger portions. OH WELL. back to killing it.

and yeah.....you guys are only realizing what should be obvious about Nami NOW? at being explained for you?

But. Oh! Looks like Nami didn't forget after all. chink in Arlong's armor already.

oh thats a lie Zorro, you trusted her, you bought her lies. you were just as surprised as everyone else. and now you've apparently gone crazy and threw yourself into the water, a gambit to make Nami save you mayhaps? yes, yes it is.

yes Zorro, let the hate grow...

I have to admit: Arlong's plan of domination is far more realistic than Krieg's. more than just hammering away at people and using force. its basically just taxes...but 1% more evil than most taxes!

Nami....your a smart girl...you should know by now that won't work....Zorro will just attack more...

and yay! Usopp is going to get beat up by Arlong! Go Arlong!

wow, his minions are actually more reasonable than him. sigh. not again. at least Arlong's malfunction is not "I'm a self-centered egomaniac".

ah, that makes sense. Nami is trying to get the village back from Arlong so that they will be safe.


Usopps death!? YAAAAAAAYY! probably not real, but still...YAAAAAAAAYY!!

yes, captain Usopp will always escape by falling from the frying pan into the fire. go Usopp. take the step. fall to the shore now, be heroic and escape life itself.

yes, Arlong, a villain who actually shows some compassion. a nice breath of fresh air. er. water?

Hah! Zorro and Usopp switched places. your getting your just desserts, Usopp! now you will get owned by Arlong. Go Arlong!

YAAAAAAYY!! Usopp got stabbed! an angel just got his wings! thank you Nami!

is that your reaction to EVERYTHING Waiter Boy? blankface? it must be nice, having emptiness where emotion should be.... yup, more blankface in the face of Usopps death, but thats actually natural; Usopps death should never be mourned.
because he is Usopp. but blankface at revealing that Nami did it? yup, yea....Waiter Boy, your emotions are murky and incomprehensible. do you actually feel anything aside from the brief flash of anger and the constant grin so wide it has to be fake?

[Tanuki Tales]

Ok, Raz, you made me laugh with that Arlong/Taxes crack.

[LaZodiac]

All I really have to say in response is that Ussop will probably grow on you in the future, and that they thought he was a fishman because his nose is long, much like Arlong's.

[Lord Raziere]

well, look at this from this point of view: what Arlong is doing, isn't much different from how taxes actually work, and furthermore, governments cracking down on guys having weapons is not a new thing. having a vested interest in the stability of your regime is the mark of any smart ruler- you don't want the populace rising up or fighting amongst themselves with things that can kill them. that disrupts things. you don't want disruptions. you want everything working smoothly.

and Usopp, growing on me? ahahahahahahahahhah-No. he is an insufferable fool and a coward, his "attacks" don't actually seem to damage anyone, so far he has done nothing but completely screw up what should've been a stealth mission to the point where he got stabbed in the gut, the one time he was effective at something-AIMING- and he screwed that up as well, accidentally attacking two people and setting off this whole chain of events that lead him to this stealth mission and then getting stabbed in the first place.

It will take a miracle for him to grow on me. A. MIRACLE. I sort of question why he is even here. his purpose seems to be nothing but somehow get everyone into a worse situation than when they started. He is the Jar Jar of One Piece. The Scrappy Doo. I don't see how his character will get redeemed in my eyes.

[doliest]

I...don't have your problems with Usopp. Honestly, he's probably the closest thing to a 'pirate' in the crew.

Mind, I do hate him, but mostly because Usopp murders the tone of every arc I've seen. Its' like 'we're doing serious stuff' and then Usopp talks and suddenly I'm out of the scene again.

[Legato Endless]

All I really have to say in response is that Ussop will probably grow on you in the future, and that they thought he was a fishman because his nose is long, much like Arlong's.

I'm not so certain. While he does get character develop later, and we assure you Lord Raziere he does contribute in later arcs, he still remains the weakest member of the crew. He has a bit of a antifanclub for that reason, though I've never understood it myself.

[LaZodiac]

Maybe I'm just biased since Ussop is one of my favorite characters. Whatever :smalltongue:

Also, for all his faults, the guys a great sniper. He's here to aim the cannons.

[Frozen_Feet]

Raziere, organized crime and governments being kinda the same is not a new idea. There's a reason why some people hate the latter so much. :smallwink::smalltongue:

[Tanuki Tales]

he still remains the weakest member of the crew.

I call bull on that. Nami is by far the weakest member of the crew when it comes to combat. In-between the Alabasta arc and the Time skip, Usopp has a clear lead over Nami against his foes. Nami on the other hand either ends up fighting the weakest member of whoever the villains are at the time or doesn't get a boss squad fight at all. Even Post-Time Skip I'd argue that Usopp and his pop-greens equal out or beat Nami and her Sorcery Clima-Tact.

Usopp is also up there with the Monster Trio when it comes to sheer damage he can take.

[Legato Endless]

I call bull on that. Nami is by far the weakest member of the crew when it comes to combat. In-between the Alabasta arc and the Time skip, Usopp has a clear lead over Nami against his foes. Nami on the other hand either ends up fighting the weakest member of whoever the villains are at the time or doesn't get a boss squad fight at all. Even Post-Time Skip I'd argue that Usopp and his pop-greens equal out or beat Nami and her Sorcery Clima-Tact.

Usopp is also up there with the Monster Trio when it comes to sheer damage he can take.

I wouldn't disagree, but supposedly the Usopp as weakest is based off some interview that Oda had that everyone and the wiki fact drops. I'm not literate in Japanese so I can't check it. It fits the East Blue arc well enough, and he never leaves the bottom tier as I define it during part 1, but yes, Nami doesn't have his feats by any stretch. I really haven't thought much about part 2 in terms of relative crew strength, as the fishman and punk hazard didn't exactly throw out worthy opponents.

[Joe the Rat]

Usopp as Jar-Jar? Heh heh heh... wait and see. He is a bit one-note annoying, though.

Jumping back to the Jolly Roger thing for a second: Even though you might not actually be a vicious thug... Wow, I said that with a straight face. Okay, even though you might not actually steal anything, you want to call yourself a Pirate, and throw up a flag in defiance of the government. You'll be targeted by the establishment, people will fear you (possibly for no good reason), but you want to make a statement about your likes and beliefs.

Real life, back in the day, you'd sport a mohawk and throw on a few extra piercings. Or maybe get a cool logo with flames and skulls, a bunch of tats, and ride the open roads. Visibly thumbing your nose at authority for the sole purpose of thumbing your nose at authority is a very real, human thing to do.

One Piece is often described as Ocean Punk (Everything's Punk these days..). In this case, it sort of works. The Pirates are Punk.


I wouldn't disagree, but supposedly the Usopp as weakest is based off some interview that Oda had that everyone and the wiki fact drops. I'm not literate in Japanese so I can't check it. It fits the East Blue arc well enough, and he never leaves the bottom tier as I define it during part 1, but yes, Nami doesn't have his feats by any stretch. I really haven't thought much about part 2 in terms of relative crew strength, as the fishman and punk hazard didn't exactly throw out worthy opponents.

For the moment let's assume that Usopp is the weakest. He still tends to be more effective than Nami. It's not so much strength (Clima-tact does make her more formidable) as cleverness. What he lacks in power he makes up for in creativity. His fight with Luffy at Water 7? Beat to mummification, and he still holds his own, rockin' the Impact Dial.

Amusingly, this means he fights like a Morgan Pirate on a Peace Main team.

[Lord Raziere]

oh yeah, I get that. I love the idea of rebellion and defiance of authority. chaotic good is my favorite alignment. cyberpunk, steampunk, whateverpunk? like em all. I'm Free Council, Summer Court, Saboteur Agenda, TTGL fan, sign me up for the rebellion against the evil empire so that I can shake hands with Luke Skywalker, I'm going to make the death star trench run.

Problem is, defying authority is clearly not on Waiter Boy's mind. I can't get a read on him except for "creepy child who beats up people he considers weak and cowardly because they hurt something he actually cares about." his statements to Kuro and Krieg are not "your a tyrant who should be stopped!" but "your a coward who can't handle the game, time for you to lose" he considers the villain he has beaten up primarily as weaklings. his mindset sounds more like law of the jungle than friendly rebel. and he does this cheerfully and without the hardships involved in defying authority.

to me, Waiter Boy is less of a rebel, and more of a vicious force of nature that seeks to be the strongest one of the pack. his flag is not of rebellion, its a flag of a predator. I mean have you SEEN the way he smiles? it looks like he wants to eat you when he smiles. and lastly, he isn't actively seeking out authorities in his defiance. he just stumbles on them.

he just doesn't give me the right vibes of a defiant rebel here. too happy, too predatory, too uncaring, too unaware, too aimless. He is more like a happy childish chaotic evil fool to me.

[Hiro Protagonest]

Except he doesn't actually kill anybody. He probably destroys a ton of stuff in fighting, but that's going to be the norm for high-powered fights, regardless of whether or not Luffy is involved. A duel between two Marine Fleet Admirals (which you will not come across until much, much later: this is a post-timeskip arc) to decide a bid for the next rank was set on an island that was already deemed uninhabitable, because of the sheer power they wielded. Luffy is a stupid, lucky, powerful manchild, but one who's guided by a decent moral compass.

[Tanuki Tales]

For the moment let's assume that Usopp is the weakest. He still tends to be more effective than Nami. It's not so much strength (Clima-tact does make her more formidable) as cleverness. What he lacks in power he makes up for in creativity. His fight with Luffy at Water 7? Beat to mummification, and he still holds his own, rockin' the Impact Dial.

Amusingly, this means he fights like a Morgan Pirate on a Peace Main team.

To be honest, if we're going to include in the calculations what everyone brings to the table other than just raw combat ability (Usopp is just as cunning as Nami by the by, his cunning is just a different breed of animal), then Zoro would be the weakest/most useless crew member by that definition. Everyone has some skill or talent that they add for the greater benefit of the crew, while Zoro is just a strong fighter.

[ThePhantom]

To be honest, if we're going to include in the calculations what everyone brings to the table other than just raw combat ability (Usopp is just as cunning as Nami by the by, his cunning is just a different breed of animal), then Zoro would be the weakest/most useless crew member by that definition. Everyone has some skill or talent that they add for the greater benefit of the crew, while Zoro is just a strong fighter.

Not quite. Zoro is the most loyal crewmember that the strawhats have. While his primary role is that of being a strong fighter, he is for the most part one of the more level headed members, having fewer times of acting up than anyone other than Robin.

Back to the main idea of the thread.

I wonder how Raziere will like Rogue Town, or Log Town? I can't remember which one it is. Such there is a lot of goofy stuff there, but those episodes are focused on increasing our knowledge of the characters.

[LaZodiac]

Not quite. Zoro is the most loyal crewmember that the strawhats have. While his primary role is that of being a strong fighter, he is for the most part one of the more level headed members, having fewer times of acting up than anyone other than Robin.

Back to the main idea of the thread.

I wonder how Raziere will like Rogue Town, or Log Town? I can't remember which one it is. Such there is a lot of goofy stuff there, but those episodes are focused on increasing our knowledge of the characters.

It's Logue town, as in Prologue. Since it's the end of the first "part" of One Piece.

Anyway, Raziere, your comments about Luffy being more of a predator is..actually fairly accurate. He DOES get better about this once we get villains who aren't just *******s like Krieg and Kuro. There are villains who he'll beat up because they're evil and must be stopped.

Doesn't mean he'll admit that's why, though.

[Tanuki Tales]

It's Logue town, as in Prologue. Since it's the end of the first "part" of One Piece.


What? No it isn't. The end of the first part of One Piece is the time-skip. One Piece is literally a story told in two parts.

Zoro really doesn't bring anything to the crew though. I mean, yes, he's the unshakable "support Luffy as the Captain" pillar, but no one other than Usopp ever really thought about not supporting Luffy at any point.

[Lord Raziere]

Except he doesn't actually kill anybody. He probably destroys a ton of stuff in fighting, but that's going to be the norm for high-powered fights, regardless of whether or not Luffy is involved. A duel between two Marine Fleet Admirals (which you will not come across until much, much later: this is a post-timeskip arc) to decide a bid for the next rank was set on an island that was already deemed uninhabitable, because of the sheer power they wielded. Luffy is a stupid, lucky, powerful manchild, but one who's guided by a decent moral compass.

for now.

but just you wait. his love for food cannot be contained for long by normal things, soon he will seek larger meals and soon his eyes will settle upon humanity itself, and then he will feast. if I remember correctly, he already has bitten a person once, which means he knows the taste of man....and is humanity not apart of the meat? he wants to eat all of the meat after all. how long will his moral compass last, when his hunger grows and his stomach growls, even after eating all of the food? :smalltongue:

still....Waiter Boy is creepy to me. something about him is just.....unsettling.


and of course, Waiter Boy is so trusting that he fails to believe him about Nami. sorry kid, but she already has a pirate employer. your just a sucker. the sooner you accept that, the sooner you can get on with your short life. really, Waiter Boy, do you actually pay attention to your friends? or do you just assume they all think like you do and go along your merry way without a care in the world? oh right, the latter.

YEAH! tell him Nami! show Waiter Boy the cold hard truth. and.....Sanji is unphased. guess Sanji is a catwoman kind of guy....

and Waiter Boy once again avoids having emotions and actual problems by blatantly avoiding or not caring, this time by going to sleep! real leadership there,
king of the pirates. My opinion of you is dropping like a brick, continue this and you might become even more useless than Usopp, and that'll be a real anti-achievement!

yup, he blatantly says he doesn't care! our hero everyone! doesn't care about anything happening on this island! he said it outright! and if he doesn't why should I? he is the main protagonist, the guy we are supposed to cheer on and follow because this is his story, if he doesn't care....then well....why is he the protagonist? why should I follow him? screw this guy! my opinion of him is somehow EVEN LOWER than it was! I'm going to continue to watch out of SPITE of Waiter Boy, because I really couldn't care about him anymore! as far as I'm concerned, he is not human and this is not really his story. he is the most passive "hero" I've ever seen, and a bad leader to boot! screw the creepiness, Waiter Boy's a lazy jerk with no sense of priorities! I hate him on a whole new level now. I hate him because of who he is, not because of superficial things.

YAY! the Marines are here! finally some real heroes arrive to fix things! Go Navy!

oh....they're here to be worfed. sigh. nevermind.

and Zorro doesn't care either! whelp. you guys are really disappointing me. Usopp is the one who cares. Usopp. you have no idea how good your making him look right now, and how unnatural it is. neither you or Waiter Boy are human. your inhuman jerks with no compassion.

Sanji, your my only hope for a character in this series to not be uncaring, evil, stupid, a worf or Usopp. don't let me dooooooownnn....

bye pirate hunter bros. you were mostly useless.

NOOOOOO!!! Usopp is alive. the earth weeps dead kittens at his returning. and Nami saved him by stabbing her own hand? Nami you disappoint me.

and of course Waiter Boy cares about the most useless guy in the world. whatever. your all jerks or Usopp aside from Sanji.

.....THOSE MEMORIES DIDN'T EVEN HAPPEN! oh those did.

oh no, Nami is finally succumbing to the first stages of the Strawhat virus. she was a good character while she lasted.

and Waiter Boy, yeah, I don't really care about you either. as far as I'm concerned, your only slightly above Usopp right now. SLIGHTLY. maybe I should give Usopp more credit than you, he at least cares about other people, even if he is completely useless. that credit would be slight though. slight.

and flashback time! time for episode 35...



oh, they are still doing the upbeat opening, for this kind of backstory episode? meh.

huh? wheres the flashback? oh well, Mermen vs Waiter Boy! Go Mermen!

sigh. they'll probably lose...:smallfrown:

Uh, WHEN exactly are we going to get to the actual flashback!?

It finally begins! of course it goes without saying that childhood Nami and Nojiko are cute.

and.....well this explains a lot.....Nami was a thief even before the attack... Bellemere apparently doesn't make a lot of money... yup this definitely explains a lot, Bellemere is basically a thief raising another thief....explains a lot indeed...
and y'know whats weird? Bellemere, Nojiko an Nami look so similar its weird that they're adopted and not related....

and now she is strict! responsible parent after all!

the heck, Bellemere, slapping your adopted child? I'm pretty sure thats crossing into abuse...

"pirates who kill innocents are unforgivable" Bellemere you have redeemed yourself, I now respect you above everyone else in this series, for you have something others do not: morality.

ok, thats genuinely heartwarming, Bellemere you are so far my favorite character.

And everything was happy and peaceful in Cocoyashi! Until the Merman Nation Attacked.



OH! her greeting to Arlong is a kick to the FACE! badass!

.....and oh right, marine, the worf of One Piece. bye sweet badass, I knew ye well....

sigh, Bellemere....Bellemere....Bellemere....but then again....sending two ten year olds out to sea is basically condemning them to die anyways so...what could she possibly do?

let us mourn the passing of a badass....of Bellemere...she defend her family the only way she knew how...

Yup....that explains it all about Nami....unlike the rest of them I actually care now. at least about Nami. and maybe Sanji. the rest are meh, Usopp, or Waiter Boy.

and those two pirate hunter guys around!? why did you come back...

OH WHAT. 8 YEARS OF HARD WORK AND SOME CORRUPT MARINE PRICK IS GOING TO TAKE IT ALL AWAY!? GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH. I KNEW HER HARD WORK WOULD ALL BE SOMEHOW FOR NAUGHT SO THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE AN ARLONG FIGHT FOR REASON. AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGH. CAN'T HAVE A HEROES ACTUAL HARD WORK AMOUNT TO ANYTHING CAN WE? WE NEED THIS TO BE A FIGHT WITH ARLONG. GAH!

I will hate this marine prick until the end of DAYS.




So.

This is the episode where it gets serious.

Very well.. SHOW ME! Bring it! I'm all raged up from the previous episodes cliffhangar! :smallfurious:

that Arlong: villainous but principled. don't settle for less! like Don Krieg.

aw heck yeah! the villagers aren't taking ANY of this trash from the prick marine! go villagers! go Nami!

....hm, while this move was smart, Arlong, I still have lost my respect for you. you said you wouldn't go back on the deal. technically this is going back on it.

....NOJIKOOOO!!!! why... :smallfrown:

darn you Prick Marine! :smallfurious:

oh my god, Waiter Boy, your still happy amidst all this. you don't even show one white of CARE for someone who is SHOT. what the heck, hero!?

YOU TELL HIM NAMI! He has no business here! He has no business in this anime! He is an uncaring manchild where a shonen protagonist should be! and you still do not realize the problem! you are also DENSE! what even is the point of you!

....its.....all so sad.....darn it Arlong, I hate you now....

Waiter boy: I return! with my blankface!

what now? oh, NOW you help, jerk. :smallannoyed: I still don't like you, Waiter boy. your just doing this cause your navigator is crying, not because your actually good. if you were, you would've helped earlier. at least Arlong will get his comeuppance...

[ThePhantom]

Well, you may not be likely Luffy, but you care about at least some of the group. That's good.

[Frozen_Feet]

Hey, at least Raziere hates Luffy for the right reasons. He is pretty spot-on in his analysis of Luffy's character. Fear the sinister blankface. :smallamused:

[Xondoure]

What not to do around a rubber man: screw with his family.

[GloatingSwine]

what now? oh, NOW you help, jerk. :smallannoyed: I still don't like you, Waiter boy. your just doing this cause your navigator is crying, not because your actually good. if you were, you would've helped earlier. at least Arlong will get his comeuppance...


If you were paying attention, you'd have figured out that Luffy didn't help until Nami asked him.

The significance is that up until that point, Nami has been attempting to hold herself seperate from everyone, from her village, from the crew, trying to take everything on herself. (PS this is also character growth for her, realising that there are people who will help if she asks, not just people to take advantage of).

At that point when she reaches out to him for help he knows that she's one of his crew, not just along for the ride, and Luffy will literally defy the entire world for one of his crew.


Really, I'm not sure why you're bothering with this, you've gone into the show not wanting to like it and you're not actually paying attention to the characters and why they're doing the things they're doing.

[Forum Explorer]

Well this is pretty amusing. I have to admit I tried to get through One Piece and gave up, more for the fact that there are just so many bloody episodes to the show then any drop in quality.


Anyways, I made it up to a little past Crocodile.

Usopp does not get better. He has tolerable moments, here and there, but 90% of the time he's just plain annoying. Zoro gets better, Nami gets better, Luffy is a constant, Sanji oddly stays around the same, but he started off pretty high up there.

I think you'll like the other characters that show up later as well. Your complaints about piracy is a little silly though, as in universe there is this 'ideal' about pirates that Luffy certainly seems to subscribe to.

As for the more practical and ruthless actions? Well those have a downside to them, like no one trusting you at all and simply attacking on sight, refusing to sell you stuff, even burning their own possessions and food rather then let you take it. Being a monster does not work long term.

[Tectonic Robot]

Well this is pretty amusing. I have to admit I tried to get through One Piece and gave up, more for the fact that there are just so many bloody episodes to the show then any drop in quality.


Anyways, I made it up to a little past Crocodile.

Usopp does not get better. He has tolerable moments, here and there, but 90% of the time he's just plain annoying. Zoro gets better, Nami gets better, Luffy is a constant, Sanji oddly stays around the same, but he started off pretty high up there.

I think you'll like the other characters that show up later as well. Your complaints about piracy is a little silly though, as in universe there is this 'ideal' about pirates that Luffy certainly seems to subscribe to.

As for the more practical and ruthless actions? Well those have a downside to them, like no one trusting you at all and simply attacking on sight, refusing to sell you stuff, even burning their own possessions and food rather then let you take it. Being a monster does not work long term.

Usopp gets a lot of character development. Shame you dropped off at Alabasta. Only... one more major arc before the character development kicked in!

[Forum Explorer]

Usopp gets a lot of character development. Shame you dropped off at Alabasta. Only... one more major arc before the character development kicked in!

After Alabasta. I think the last episode I watched was the one where they go to the island of extraordinarily large taxes.

[Lord Raziere]

If you were paying attention, you'd have figured out that Luffy didn't help until Nami asked him.

The significance is that up until that point, Nami has been attempting to hold herself seperate from everyone, from her village, from the crew, trying to take everything on herself. (PS this is also character growth for her, realising that there are people who will help if she asks, not just people to take advantage of).

At that point when she reaches out to him for help he knows that she's one of his crew, not just along for the ride, and Luffy will literally defy the entire world for one of his crew.


Really, I'm not sure why you're bothering with this, you've gone into the show not wanting to like it and you're not actually paying attention to the characters and why they're doing the things they're doing.

and? if a hero needs to be asked for him to be a hero, is he one at all? why does he need one of his family to care? that speaks of his lack of morality, not his fullness of it. I do not see why he needs this to be a family matter to act, but then again I don't hold the concept of family in high regard. should not one care for people regardless of family?

as for why I keep doing this....tell me. why do people post Let Read's or Watches of things they don't like? Why, do people watch some bad things for entertainment? you may think One Piece is good, I disagree. unless you want to start a discussion over that, I suggest that the wisest course of action is to acknowledge that you cannot account for taste. I watch it to entertain myself in a different way than others.

I do not see the problem with this. I've watched 133 episodes of Yu-Gi-Oh GX, even though I hate that. I got a good joke out of noticing that people kept using Pot of Greed, and that technically by real world meta-game standards, Pot of Greed is a better card than most of what they play, even the rare cards. Mostly because everyone uses it so much that its a vital part of any competitive deck.
drawing two cards is a very powerful resource. therefore:

Pot of Greed Spirit: Yeah! I'm a better card than the rest of you! I'm in like, EVERY DECK in this series. You all may throw the big punches, but who makes sure you get onto the field in the first place huh? Thats right, ME. Pot of Greed. every duelist eventually comes back to me. I'm the real king of the cards around here. >:D

seriously, they use it like...every episode or two. I'm surprised there was no pot of greed spirit in it, would've been a good use of the logic of the series and to demonstrate that sometimes its the common cards that are the most powerful.
point is, I can do this for long periods of time without caring. technically I'm not done with Yu-Gi-Oh GX either, I'm just taking a long break, probably to resume next whenever I feel like it.

that and the fact that the series has made me care about and like anyone at all is something worthy of my time. its like trying to disprove a theory. if you lose that just means you have to revise your worldview because something clearly didn't match your expectations and even in your loss you still win because your now on a more correct path, if you win and disprove it, hooray! except not, because this is all subjective. point is, either way I win.

anyways, TL: DR? I feel like doing it. I want to do it. I don't need any other reason.

You don't like this well...why are you here dude? I'd feel sad if you'd waste your time with one so lowly as I when you could go entertain yourself in much better ways and be happier. I am but a humble forum poster with delusions of caustic critic-ness and comedy. (and many more such delusions but I won't go into them)

[LaZodiac]

When me and my friends watch it, we called it Pot of Banned every time it shows up :smallcool:

But yes, you're completely right. If you don't wanna hear someone's take on the series, don't read the thread.

[Metahuman1]

and? if a hero needs to be asked for him to be a hero, is he one at all? why does he need one of his family to care? that speaks of his lack of morality, not his fullness of it. I do not see why he needs this to be a family matter to act, but then again I don't hold the concept of family in high regard. should not one care for people regardless of family?


I am not an expert on the series, full disclosure.

Didn't the point get made that Luffy and crew arn't so much "hero's" as "people who just happen to end up taking out other people who happen to be bad?" already in this thread?

[Lord Raziere]

@ Metahuman: Yea, I guess I should stop harping on that.

I dunno. I guess I sort of need my protagonists to be heroic and good after all. I used to be into the whole amorality and subjective thing, but that also was my stupid years of stubbornness and angst where I was a cynical cranky loner who could not comprehend things like why people gather into cliques. I sort of get why people gather into cliques now, but I still don't see much appeal in them, even though I see the benefits, and are still a loner. I know better now.

the thing is, the amorality of the characters just...clashes so much with the lighthearted tone of the series. at least in my mind. I love say, morally good heroes going through hell and high water in gritty dark universes to do the right thing and succeeding by the skin of their teeth...like D Grey Man.

One Piece just seems to be the opposite of that, a light-hearted universe where the characters could not care less about morality and succeeding without a care. it just seems.....incongruous. not right. I can get moraldark, but I can't get amoralbright. its like.....how are they NOT good people in this bright universe of happiness and hilarity? how are they jerks? why are they jerks? how are they still happy being jerks? it doesn't make sense to me. I would have no question about this series if they truly WERE paragons of moral goodness in a bright universe. things would be in harmony and I could safely file it under "people like bright happy stuff sometimes to take their minds off of real life, and not everything can be Watchmen and Warhammer 40k, y'know?"

but the amorality in the brightness....just....makes it weird and dissonant to me. like I can't really relate to them because of how out of tune the amorality and the tone of the series is. like, the world is inhumanly bright and people in it and inhumanly amoral and it provides me nothing to connect to any of them, aside from Nami and Sanji who do both have moral sides to them. Waiter Boy, I relate to the least of all because of how frustratingly alien he seems, Naruto? I can relate to that guy, Ichigo? kind of on the quiet side, but he seems to be cool, Natsu? heck yes that guy is relatable. Waiter Boy on the other hand....

....BLANKFACE. c)8| (or 0_0 if you prefer)

but enough of this! too much discussion for now, I need to watch an episode to keep things on track.


it opens with Nami. y'know I think that straw hat actually looks better on her.

oh come on this is how the scene should go:
Waiter Boy: I'm a pirate!
Arlong: oooooooooh I'm so scared. oh wait, I'm not. I"M A PIRATE TOO, LANDLUBBER

and Arlong just let himself get punched. not impressed with you, Arlong.

heh "who the hell are you?" said as if being punched into a wall was just an ordinary thing, I take it back Arlong, your one casual badass. and ooh! actual steam out of Waiter Boy's nostrils. think he will show enough emotion to win back his name?

yup, he is just doing it because Nami is crying, I knew it. he is showing actual emotion now though.

oh no, Sanji said "hog all the prey" he has officially reached the final stage of the strawhat virus. he is now beyond all hope, and is a predator like Waiter Boy. whelp, there goes my caring for Sanji...

heh, figures the sea cow would be completely useless against guys who already beat it up. :smallamused:

nevermind, Arlong knows it better somehow...

sigh, they are just standing around while Waiter Boy basically powers up his attack, why don't they interrupt him?

and he points his finger angrily at Arlong. Waiter Boy/Luffy might just get his name back yet. maybe.

"huh?" yea, Waiter Boy, you almost killed the people you consider your nakama with that dangerous pinwheel stunt. some family protector you are. and you just blankface that away...

you immobilized yourself Waiter Boy....you just made Usopp look smart again...sigh...

smart move against Waiter Boy Arlong, smart move...

huh, odd, 5 seconds, 3 seconds, that the amount of time me and some other poster talked about when Zorro fought Mihawk. odd coincidence that.

[Lord Raziere]

time for.....Episodes 39 and 40!


The opening credits keep showing their little ship being surrounded by monsters bigger than it as it sails along. makes me wonder if all the high powered martial arts stuff isn't vital for pirates so that they defend themselves from big things that would otherwise destroy their ship...

and I don't see how Waiter Boy will get rescued in time, shonen fights tend to be long, with at least one flashback involved. in real time, Waiter Boy will have probably already drowned by the time he inevitably rescued from the deeps...

ah, Gen and Nojiko will do it. your lucky Waiter Boy. lucky that there are people more selfless than you around to bail you out. you should be thankful.

wow, everyone is incapacitated in some way. Zorro is sick, Sanji got clocked in one punch, Waiter Boy is drowning and Usopp is Usopp. it really does look liek they're going to lose. now how will this be turned around I wonder?

I think I remember this episode from watching it before. I remember the six-sword guy and Zorro not thinking highly of him, but thats all I can recall...

oh just great Usopp, keep being self-congratulatory coward who rationalizes his fear by being a "distraction" and just ignore the fact that your useless in pretty much every way. keep doing that. you'll get whats coming to you.

what.....how they holding their breath for so long down there!? either One Piece humans are adapted to their watery world and have the capability to function for longer periods underwater, or we are just completely ignoring how drowning works in this series!

WHAT. HOW THEY TALKING UNDERWATER. THEIR MOUTHS CLEARLY DON'T MOVE. ARE THEY TELEPATHIC? ok, we are just blatantly ignoring all laws of physics now aren't we? we are not even acknowledging how any of this works on any level, just.....treating is just another obstacle and not a serious life-threatening danger....yeah....guess thats par for the course...

THEY OPENED THEIR MOUTHS UNDERWATER, THEY SHOULD BE DROWNING NOW. AAAAAAGH.

oh, we're discussing power levels now Sanji? and I dunno, you look pretty beat up, and Vegeta did that "I took ten times that punishment in training" boast years ago, don't be a copycat, Sanji.

oh WHAT. Zorro just cut off all his swords! guess its double or nothing...
Ok Zorro, I'll admit it, your badass. you took on a guy who was at full strength more swords that were more powerful than yours, with strength far greater than yours, while suffering from a wound that would knock out or kill any other man while wielding two swords you are unfamiliar with. if that doesn't qualify for badass, nothing does.

Sanji, is this going to be a theme with you? constantly rescuing Waiter Boy when is underwater? but wait, BACKSLASH, serves you right for not listening to Zorro about going in the water....




the map-words in the credits aren't even real, they are just scribbles...

Gen, you do know that the CPR thing won't work because of his stretched out neck right?

battle? Usopp doesn't battle, he runs away, occasionally shoots something useless, runs away again until the opponent does something better with their time. be accurate, opening title.

and.....they are treating Sanji's battle like an aerial battle but with less breathing. great.

glad to see at least one person knowing how drowning works...

fishman, Sanji's chivalry has nothing to do with this. it would only apply if you were female and he didn't attack you. why keep bringing it up, I mean....Sanji didn't even participate in any of the events that led to this confrontation, that was all Nami's doing, how does his chivalry enter into this AT ALL, just ...how. I mean I get what your trying to do, its the villainous lecture moment where you try and crush him psychologically and philosophically, par for the course in shonen, happens every five episodes or so, but your choosing the wrong thing to lecture about. instead, you might want to try lecturing him on his compassion, pointing out how if he wasn't so focused on helping others and diving in to rescue your captain, how if he was just more selfish and uncaring he could have avoided this. but instead you choose his chivalry, which has nothing to do with the situation, so this moment, where Sanji is trying to rescue a guy from drowning, while fighting another guy, it....just has nothing to do with this, its just completely random, and it makes you look stupid. 2/10, worst villainous lecture I've heard yet.

oh THERE you go with the compassion, too late, your should've made compassion the thesis statement, not the closing sentence! 1.8/10, -0.2 for lack of consistency.

ok, your villainous speech is bad, but your DEFINITELY incredibly scary when it comes to actual combat, crushing Sanji with water pressure is definitely a tactic that any smart underwater villain such as yourself would immediately do, you'll be considered for a job in "Silent Thuggery".

nice job figuring that out, Sanji. its rapidly becoming clear who is the smart one is on this crew.

YEAH! lay the beat down, Sanji. be smart, don't let him use his ultimate attack.

"guess you don't need dessert"? Sanji...was that supposed to be some cook-based bond one liner or something? c'mon, at least make it relevant to the situation like "I guess your like shrimp- a side dish" or "guess the seafood got kicked up a notch" or even "Breathtaking aren't I?"

oh now you do a seafood quip, a little too late Sanjil you've got to time it, also you missed your chance to say "guess he wasn't a good swordfish" or something along those lines pertaining to Hachi.

and Usopp is beaten up! yay! unfortunately we didn't get to see it. aaaw.

oh wait he is faking death.

how did the fish guy know Usopp got up?

and you ruined your faking death thing. sigh. more proof that Usopp is stupid. he could've at least used that chance as a sneak attack...

fish guy is right, you were better off faking death Usopp. stick to your useless strengths.

Usopp...sigh...Usopp....I dunno how I feel about you winning this, its technically smart and such, but I still don't like you. this guy was probably the weakest merman of the lot....

augh, is this going to be pattern now? we are going to cut to one fight, only to find things have happened without showing it, only to cut back to another one and find things have also happened without showing it?

Nami your here to kill Alrong? kay, I know your deadly serious and all and I like you, but come on, be realistic and at least use the rubber beast guy on him instead of fighting him yourself, your not exactly the best combatant around...

....your going to pull something unexpected and awesome aren't you? that is the only way I can see this going down in your favor...

[Legato Endless]

THEY OPENED THEIR MOUTHS UNDERWATER, THEY SHOULD BE DROWNING NOW. AAAAAAGH.

One Piece pretty much lives off artistic license. Unless you ignore it, you're probably going to have an aneurism watching this considering how often it comes up. Although the reactions are amusing...so just forget I said that.


you'll be considered for a job in "Silent Thuggery".

Heh.


nice job figuring that out, Sanji. its rapidly becoming clear who is the smart one is on this crew.

I really wish this had stayed true...

[LaZodiac]

Hey now Mr Raziere, Zoro's talked with his sword in his mouth before. That's...about 70% comparable to talking under water, but it is in the same line of impossibility. Thankfully, Zoro can talk through the manliness of his heart (this is essentially canon).

[Frozen_Feet]

Actually, you can talk just fine with a sword handle in your mouth. It sounds a bit funny, but is legible. The trick is to hold the handle with your teeth, while forming words with your lips. I may have just tested this by placing various weapons in my mouth.

[ThePhantom]

See, I said that things would be a bit fun. Sure, you may only like a few parts of this show, but those parts are really good. Thanks for giving this show a watch.

[turbo164]

"guess you don't need dessert"? Sanji...was that supposed to be some cook-based bond one liner or something? c'mon, at least make it relevant to the situation like "I guess your like shrimp- a side dish" or "guess the seafood got kicked up a notch" or even "Breathtaking aren't I?"


Sometimes (this fight included) when Sanji lands kicks, he'll call out the cut of meat from that part of the body; so dessert is a natural followup to a "meal" of ribs, shoulders, neck etc.



and you ruined your faking death thing. sigh. more proof that Usopp is stupid. he could've at least used that chance as a sneak attack...



This was more of a proving his own courage to himself thing. And yeah after getting punched in the face he goes back to sneak attacking :P

Usopp has a lot of Batman elements to him. While his teammates and opponents are doing all this superhuman crap...he's reaching into his bag of tricks for his kryptonite and bat-shark-repellant and trying to think his way to victory (like Sanji did this fight). The difference is that Batman is confident in his abilities, trained in dozens of martial arts, and strikes fear into his opponents; Usopp is trained in running away and often lies about his own strength to trick his opponent *and himself* into believing he's stronger than he actually is.

That said, hearing about the great Captain Usopp with his 8,000 followers does get repetitive >_<

Also, fun fact: in one of the many, many facepalm moments of the 4kids edit, Usopp's saki in this fight was replaced with "fizzy soda." I don't think that's quiiite as flammable...but then, his flaming bullets were "salsa" bullets :smallsigh:


Ok Zorro, I'll admit it, your badass.

Yep! ^_^


Your reviews are fun to read, hopefully you're having more fun writing them too!

[Lord Raziere]

uuuugh, that makes me hate Usopp even moooore, Batman and Usopp: the two figures I hate in fiction. one for being TOO useful, the other being too USELESS. its strange how these human preparation heroes either turn out godlike (Batman) or well.....Usopp.

and maybe that explains my dislike of Waiter Boy to. he is probably the Superman of the setting....with less responsibility and more.....predatory childlike creepiness. which kind of makes him worse than Superman, because while I dislike superman, he at least does have the responsibility thing down like Spiderman, and I like Spiderman.

4kids: there is nothing in this world so ridiculous that we can't make even more nonsensical through absurd measures of censorship. because parental guardians are scary and anything animation is clearly only for kids! Akira!? hahaha, as if THAT exists!

no wonder that company failed...

[LaZodiac]

Ussop eventually evens out in that he becomes useful, but not overly so. Like the rest of the crew except for the big three, Luffy Zoro and Sanji, who are basically army killers on their own. Everyone else helps though.

4Kids is and always will be the worst in every single thing they do except for Ultimate Muscle.

[chainer1216]

so, i'm going to take a whack at explaining Luffy's character, without spoilers.

Luffy cares about 3 things in life, in this order.

1.freedom
2.friends
3.food

as has been stated, he doesn't see himself as a hero or villain, or anything really. because those things have ideas associated with them I.E heroes HAVE to help people. he calls himself a pirate because when he was a child he saw shanks and how he and his crew pretty much did anything they wanted, unlike other adults in his life, to him being a pirate means being able to do whatever you feel like. this idea of freedom being more important than anything also includes other peoples freedom, even the freedom to fail. Luffy didn't help because he was specifically told not to by the people who needed the help. to help them would be to interfere in their freedom, but if they ASK him for help, it was their choice to ask.

remember Coby? and how Luffy really didn't like him? it was because Coby didn't want to be a pirate, but was doing it because he was too scared to fight for his freedom, of course that all changed when Luffy inspired him to stand up to Alvida, it was then that Luffy defeated her, because Coby decided to fight for his dream, even if that would of meant death under normal circumstances. to him freedom is something to fight for, and if you don't fight for it yourself, then that was your choice and he shouldn't interfere.

[Lord Raziere]

hm.

the thing about Don Krieg not surviving long in another ocean makes me wonder if this is really a shonen.

because I've been trying to read up on a genre called wuxia, its not one I understand very well. but I've recently read that even villains display virtue sometimes and can be trusted in some things in that genre, and that people who break that trust are incredibly evil and don't survive long in such a world.

so it sort of makes me wonder if One Piece isn't shonen, but rather a particularly weird pirate themed wuxia in anime form. the genres aren't actually that different, but mainly the difference I observe between them is that wuxia tends to be lower powered and less energy-attacky. and One Piece from what I've seen fulfills that, but then again, I might be wrong on this, whatever, time for more episodes!

(as for Waiter boy, guess that explains things. still prefer chaotic good to his chaotic neutral/ or even evil, because well, something just rubs me the wrong way about leaving random people to go fight a thing that could kill them in an instant. call it a conscience. something which I'm not sure if Waiter Boy actually has...)


huh, never noticed that the two soldiers in the opening credits executing gold roger are actually different heights....

WAIT.

WAIT.

WAIT.

Nami has tried to kill you BEFORE.

gods, Arlong. thats megatron levels of Starscream tolerance, just....I can't.....arrrrrrggh... you don't tolerate starscreams in your midst, they lead to betrayal and woe....

ok wow, Arlong thats a pretty sadistic choice. and probably one that any shonen hero would baulk at and make them think twice about doing the usual "I'm with them! you cannot stop the NAKAMAAAA!!" thing.

but ha, you kick a few too many puppies Arlong. you failed. see? this is why you don't tolerate Starscreams. they only lead to trouble.

oh god Waiter Boy panting looks like a heaving predator. why does he always look so creepy and predator-esque, it just never stops....:smalleek: also , fo course Waiter boy wakes up just to make sure they don't experience that bad outcome of their decisions....oh well....

Usopp....a merman getting defeated by you, thats nothing to brag about, it probably means that they were lame enough to beaten by anyone.

ahahahahaha, his nose is unbreakable. its seriously indestructible. theres like, not even a point to that. like just....what....hahahahaha....

ahahaha! now he using his nose as a sword what the frell? I imagine this is really embarrassing for Zorro now: fought off six blades only to get beaten by a nose. just......wat....

oh! now I knew why that nose was made so pointy.....to injure Zorro like that....oh I get it......Arlongs a swordfish!

in other news, Sanji! your taking a painfully long time time to do the simple thing of breaking a rock underwater! get to it already!

sigh....the "heart power" talk thing.... just.....whyyyyyy, why have the power be heart why it just makes no sense.....what..

......:smalleek: oh.....guess Zorro learned something from Mihawk....thats scary really...

all that and Arlong is still smiling....your screwed Waiter Boy.

oh god, the predator blankface. things are not done...

I'm more concerned about Zorro, the guy is awesome, hope he doesn't die from landing or anything...

Zorro survived? and he says that he will kill Waiter boy? YAAAAAAYY!!

better make good on that promise, Zorro!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH!!! its Waiter Boy's slasher smile again! aaaaaaaahh....




Wheres the Pirate's Guide to the Grand Line? I need to look up how bad of a poet mermen are...aaaah old overused reference, you'll always be there for me.

Gold Roger didn't have everything if he didn't have a towel. I bet towel could've gotten him out of his execution.

hey maybe the One Piece is a towel? that'd be hilarious.

hrm. pretty fragile for all-eating teeth.

umm.....Luffy...pointing out how much you suck isn't winning any points....you have to improve upon who you are, see? get better at stuff. make an effort to do something other than pick fights, eat food and stand around doing nothing. I mean do you even have hobbies? or things about your life that isn't "fight to be pirate king!"? your just so.......one dimensional, Waiter Boy.

"You sure are useless how pitiful" hit the nail on the head Arlong! here, have a gargleblaster as a reward, it tastes like your brain getting knocked out by a lemon, wrapped around a large gold brick.

"why should they risk their lives to save someone like you?" very good question Arlong, I ask that myself every episode....

"I can beat you up" is not a reason Waiter Boy....worst argument ever...you might've had a point if you were the ship's combat guy and not its captain though...

wat.....Zorro that doesn't make sense. you can't kill someone who is already dead. thats not improbable, thats just plain impossible, won't work.

swordfish AND shark. Arlong's a hybrid!

yes Waiter boy, your screams are delicious.....

the frell, how did he do that? wouldn't Arlong notice? how could you possibly fail a spot check that hard?......is Luffy a walking improbability drive?

Luffy, you have no ground to stand on, you used him as a shield, admit it. even if Arlong can't spot anything to save his life.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH!!! the rubber predator has shark teeth! we are all going to die!!!!

your real screams are delicous, Waiter boy....

and so is you getting beaten up by an aquatic bullet bill.

yea run Waiter Boy, run and say thanks for all the fish. (that you got to beat up)

yea Waiter Boy, what don't you understand about taking cover? your making Usopp sound reasonable again, and by now I'm starting to expect that he will always sound reasonable compared to you. so....yeah, Usopp is moving up in my respect. your not. mind, your still both scrappies, Usopp is just the reasonable scrappy, and therefore worth slightly more respect. your officially at the bottom, Waiter Boy.

AAAAAAAHH!! Arlong's eyes!!

uh. Arlong. Arlong. Arlong! your destroy your own park now....

ok ahm.....Arlong, you've kinda brought the fight into probably your most valuable room so...unless you get out of there next episode, your seriously going to be shooting yourself in the foot if you fight there, just warning you....

[Forum Explorer]

hm.

the thing about Don Krieg not surviving long in another ocean makes me wonder if this is really a shonen.

because I've been trying to read up on a genre called wuxia, its not one I understand very well. but I've recently read that even villains display virtue sometimes and can be trusted in some things in that genre, and that people who break that trust are incredibly evil and don't survive long in such a world.

so it sort of makes me wonder if One Piece isn't shonen, but rather a particularly weird pirate themed wuxia in anime form. the genres aren't actually that different, but mainly the difference I observe between them is that wuxia tends to be lower powered and less energy-attacky. and One Piece from what I've seen fulfills that, but then again, I might be wrong on this, whatever, time for more episodes!

(as for Waiter boy, guess that explains things. still prefer chaotic good to his chaotic neutral/ or even evil, because well, something just rubs me the wrong way about leaving random people to go fight a thing that could kill them in an instant. call it a conscience. something which I'm not sure if Waiter Boy actually has...)


huh, never noticed that the two soldiers in the opening credits executing gold roger are actually different heights....

WAIT.

WAIT.

WAIT.

Nami has tried to kill you BEFORE.

gods, Arlong. thats megatron levels of Starscream tolerance, just....I can't.....arrrrrrggh... you don't tolerate starscreams in your midst, they lead to betrayal and woe....

ok wow, Arlong thats a pretty sadistic choice. and probably one that any shonen hero would baulk at and make them think twice about doing the usual "I'm with them! you cannot stop the NAKAMAAAA!!" thing.

but ha, you kick a few too many puppies Arlong. you failed. see? this is why you don't tolerate Starscreams. they only lead to trouble.

oh god Waiter Boy panting looks like a heaving predator. why does he always look so creepy and predator-esque, it just never stops....:smalleek: also , fo course Waiter boy wakes up just to make sure they don't experience that bad outcome of their decisions....oh well....

Usopp....a merman getting defeated by you, thats nothing to brag about, it probably means that they were lame enough to beaten by anyone.

ahahahahaha, his nose is unbreakable. its seriously indestructible. theres like, not even a point to that. like just....what....hahahahaha....

ahahaha! now he using his nose as a sword what the frell? I imagine this is really embarrassing for Zorro now: fought off six blades only to get beaten by a nose. just......wat....

oh! now I knew why that nose was made so pointy.....to injure Zorro like that....oh I get it......Arlongs a swordfish!

in other news, Sanji! your taking a painfully long time time to do the simple thing of breaking a rock underwater! get to it already!

sigh....the "heart power" talk thing.... just.....whyyyyyy, why have the power be heart why it just makes no sense.....what..

......:smalleek: oh.....guess Zorro learned something from Mihawk....thats scary really...

all that and Arlong is still smiling....your screwed Waiter Boy.

oh god, the predator blankface. things are not done...

I'm more concerned about Zorro, the guy is awesome, hope he doesn't die from landing or anything...

Zorro survived? and he says that he will kill Waiter boy? YAAAAAAYY!!

better make good on that promise, Zorro!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH!!! its Waiter Boy's slasher smile again! aaaaaaaahh....




Wheres the Pirate's Guide to the Grand Line? I need to look up how bad of a poet mermen are...aaaah old overused reference, you'll always be there for me.

Gold Roger didn't have everything if he didn't have a towel. I bet towel could've gotten him out of his execution.

hey maybe the One Piece is a towel? that'd be hilarious.

hrm. pretty fragile for all-eating teeth.

umm.....Luffy...pointing out how much you suck isn't winning any points....you have to improve upon who you are, see? get better at stuff. make an effort to do something other than pick fights, eat food and stand around doing nothing. I mean do you even have hobbies? or things about your life that isn't "fight to be pirate king!"? your just so.......one dimensional, Waiter Boy.

"You sure are useless how pitiful" hit the nail on the head Arlong! here, have a gargleblaster as a reward, it tastes like your brain getting knocked out by a lemon, wrapped around a large gold brick.

"why should they risk their lives to save someone like you?" very good question Arlong, I ask that myself every episode....

"I can beat you up" is not a reason Waiter Boy....worst argument ever...you might've had a point if you were the ship's combat guy and not its captain though...

wat.....Zorro that doesn't make sense. you can't kill someone who is already dead. thats not improbable, thats just plain impossible, won't work.

swordfish AND shark. Arlong's a hybrid!

yes Waiter boy, your screams are delicious.....

the frell, how did he do that? wouldn't Arlong notice? how could you possibly fail a spot check that hard?......is Luffy a walking improbability drive?

Luffy, you have no ground to stand on, you used him as a shield, admit it. even if Arlong can't spot anything to save his life.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH!!! the rubber predator has shark teeth! we are all going to die!!!!

your real screams are delicous, Waiter boy....

and so is you getting beaten up by an aquatic bullet bill.

yea run Waiter Boy, run and say thanks for all the fish. (that you got to beat up)

yea Waiter Boy, what don't you understand about taking cover? your making Usopp sound reasonable again, and by now I'm starting to expect that he will always sound reasonable compared to you. so....yeah, Usopp is moving up in my respect. your not. mind, your still both scrappies, Usopp is just the reasonable scrappy, and therefore worth slightly more respect. your officially at the bottom, Waiter Boy.

AAAAAAAHH!! Arlong's eyes!!

uh. Arlong. Arlong. Arlong! your destroy your own park now....

ok ahm.....Arlong, you've kinda brought the fight into probably your most valuable room so...unless you get out of there next episode, your seriously going to be shooting yourself in the foot if you fight there, just warning you....


You've been reading up on your Hitchhiker's I see. :smallbiggrin:

[Lord Raziere]

wait frack, I forgot to comment that no, Luffy isn't an improbability drive, he doesn't run on improbability, I think he actually runs on bistromathics. the rest of One Piece is what runs on improbability drives, and Sanji runs on being from the Restaurant At The End of The Ocean, because once you've done six impossible things this morning, you might as well top it off by being a martial artist kickboxing sea cook who is searching for an impossible ocean where all marine life live despite how that wouldn't work because of differing temperatures, underwater environments and so on....

[Forrestfire]

I don't really have anything to add to the discussion, but I do want to say that, as someone who considers One Piece to be one of the best manga I've read, I'm enjoying seeing the new perspective on it :smallsmile:

[turbo164]

Hmm, if you want Luffy to die so badly, you probably won't like the episode where he has a liquid lunch and operates an irrational particle accelerator...

:smallwink:

[LaZodiac]

One Piece being a Pirate themed Wuxai series is completely accurate. Nice catch, on that.

This is what Arlong is. He's a Sawtooth Shark. (http://www.daff.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0010/75988/SharkID-Dwarf-Sawfish-Shark-Features-600.jpg)

[Lord Raziere]

yea, One Piece starts making sense when you think of the pirates as like Wulin- the Fighting Community, where normal people inhabit a "normal" world while the the pirates inhabit an "other" world, metaphorically speaking. a Jiang Hu if you will. thats what the jolly roger is about, its not really defiance, its more like declaring they are apart of another world and community different from the ordinary one, with different rules. and the world government is of course, the thing that would normally be the ancient chinese government.

however the pirate theme might make it more skewed towards the criminal side of things, I don't know, never seen any other kind of wuxia. but it sort of tells me that maybe the Fighting Community isn't held in all that high regard by the government in other wuxia either- just because you culturally declare yourself different from normal laws, doesn't mean your legally different. which means that by strictly legal definitions of the term, the Fighting Community are criminals no matter how virtuous they are. and hey it would make sense. declaring yourself a badass who can defeat armies of other people by yourself with like, a single weapon or none at all is pretty threatening to the power of government to enforce things...

[Joe the Rat]

yea, One Piece starts making sense when you think of the pirates as like Wulin- the Fighting Community, where normal people inhabit a "normal" world while the the pirates inhabit an "other" world, metaphorically speaking. a Jiang Hu if you will. thats what the jolly roger is about, its not really defiance, its more like declaring they are apart of another world and community different from the ordinary one, with different rules. and the world government is of course, the thing that would normally be the ancient chinese government.This actually makes a heck of a lot of sense. The twist here though is that the pirate "gangs" or "guilds" or "clans" are about loyalty to a captain or ideal - not a school or fighting style. (There is a notable exception, but we're not there yet). Of course, we're talking shonen. No two fighters/powers/stands/holy magic transforming whatzits are the same, because that would be boring.
Yes, Wulin Pirates of Ridiculous Anatomy.

There's very little actual ship-to-ship or ship-to-land combat. It's all fists and feet and swords and showerheads and noses and elemental lasers and condiments and whatnot. Boats are simply floating dojos and fortresses to take you to your next opponent.

[Lord Raziere]

yea, I love it when little revelations happen like this, it just seems to be the way of my life that I rage and rage and complain and think on things until I stumble across something that suddenly makes me understand in some weird bout of serendipity.

anyways, time for two more episodes:


I agree with Luffy on this. you don't "use" anybody.

Not a true nakama, if you think of her as a "tool"

Luffy, I know your mad but come on, don't wreck the place, these maps are still useful, they will be needed to traverse the ocean and get to the Grand Line remember?

Ha! that pirate hunter knows to be afraid of Waiter Boy. yeah, you know that he is a predator don'cha? you see his true nature. I know you do. it means your perceptive. use that perception well.

wait....you ARE destroying that place aren't you, aren't you Waiter Boy. what. I don't even. Why. dude. she may have made them while slaving under a racist two-timing saw-shark man but they are still useful! at least have SOME pragmatism in your quest...oh hey a Nami flashback.

sigh. I guess Nami doesn't care, if she is ok with it, then I guess its fine, still think its a waste of maps though...

why are we standing around doing nothing and being silent? don't we have... a BATTLE to get back to!? we don't have to draw this out needlessly, I already care about Nami enough to get what she is feeling....

"you gone too far you rubber bastard" well he destroyed a lot of priceless maps and such, so I guess your right on that Arlong, but your still evil and need to be put down. while I strongly disagree with Waiter Boy's methods, he at least is not you.

AAAAAAAAAAHHHH, that look! that angry look is also scary as his slasher smile! why is this protagonist so creepy and scary, whhyyyyy. also, yep your officially destroying whatever practical benefit you could get from having like, all the maps ever, out of pure anger. when hey, your navigator might need that stuff! to y'know, do her job. I can stress enough how much you could be shooting yourself in the foot here.

MAAAAAAAAAPS!!!! NOOOOO!!!! (hey someone's got to mourn for them)

a big stone falls on Zorro while he is asleep and all he seems to have is a bruise. the improbability drives have done it again....

why are they cheering? he looks like a shadow monster breaking free from those ruins....

yes, Nami, say yes, don't question your deluded captain....

"Be quicker next time, you bastard" Sanji, we are on the same wavelength on this, Waiter Boy needs to speed up things a little...

I bet they are all cheering to sycophantically kiss up to him. don't want to be on the wrong side of Waiter Boy. aw, Nami don't take the hat off, you look better in it than Waiter Boy.

its the prick marine again! time to his ass getting kicked: Before the episode is over.

didn't last a minute! thank you Zorro!

Good Nami! even after all this time, you still have your rightmost piratey values in mind, hope you get back all your money, ye scurvy lass.

I agree with Gen, what is the world coming to when you get saved by pirates? they should have robbed you after they took out Arlong, like any good pirate. not right, pirates being selfless, not right at all. against nature it is

Do we really need another montage of flashbacks? do we really?

The heck, why are snails phones. what is this I don't even. I just don't even. Why. just why. Why don't even, don't even why, don't why even, why even why, don't even don't, I even I, even why even,why I don't even, I why don't even, I don't why even why or don't why even while I don't why. I just don't even. Screw it, its those dang improbability drives again, isn't it? someone needs to stop pressing that button on the Heart of Gold....

Well, thats the end of Arlong Arc! it certainly set off a big chain of events. all because of Usopp firing at those pirate hunters. So I think we can rightly blame him on everything. because he is Usopp.



Ugh, do we really need episodes devoted ENTIRELY to people just plain LEAVING their home town? do we really?

ahahahahaa! Waiter Boy accidentally swallowed a plate! thats legitimately funny.

AHAHAHAHAHA! They find it hard to believe he freed them even after they are busy celebrating, seriously this is funny!

uuuuuuhhh....swallowing the plate the whole way down probably isn't a good idea...uhm....for one its not digestible so.....hope you've poisoned yourself Waiter Boy. would be a fitting way for you to go.

Ha! the doctor doesn't consider them pirates either. and yes they probably do need a doctor, with all the fighting they will be doing.

a doctors the next one they are going to get aren't they? who will that crew member be? a stern old man who carries around a comically large surgeon knife, a beautiful girl to balance out the gender dynamic who does some nonsensical herbal thing involving flowers to heal people, or perhaps a JD ripoff who kills people with a steampunk moped? that he can ride even while on water? or perhaps a mermaid to show that not all mermen are bad, but still has some problems working with human biology? who knows! lets press the improbability button and find out!

ok, Waiter Boy has suggested a musician twice now. this is going to become a thing with him isn't it.

heh, Zorro is getting tired of them partying for three days guess they saved up a lot of party over the years...but what about the money they need to make?

oddly wise kid...

huh, at least Waiter Boy understands fear...

the heck. is this like. some sort of ghost of bellemere?

or maybe its just her imagination, or improbability drives again.

AAAAAAAAAAAAHH!!! GHOST! IMPROBABILITY DRIVE GHOST!!!

AHAHAHAHAHAH! Nami you piratey lass! best pickpocket in tha world thar! did it while running and hurrying to the boat! best example of a Night Caste I ever seen, aye.

so thats why the pinwheel.... huh....

[LaZodiac]

Look just except the Den Den Mushi phones. We don't get it either. THEY LOOK LIKE THE PEOPLE THEY BELONG TO. INEXPLICIBILY.

I love your theories on the team doc :smallamused:

[Kitten Champion]

Look just except the Den Den Mushi phones. We don't get it either. THEY LOOK LIKE THE PEOPLE THEY BELONG TO. INEXPLICIBILY.

Morphic fields are at play, clearly.

[ThePhantom]

stern old man who carries around a comically large surgeon knife Hmm, funny about that. That's pretty close to Crocus as his harpoons look a bit like surgeon knives.

No, I don't get the snails, they are just something that unique to One Piece. Also, you had a moment which you found funny, yay!

[Arcran]

I'd like to point out that Arlong is actually a sawtooth shark (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-niuOLMC_rf8/USlFdeVPWMI/AAAAAAAADzY/LqfE5mnUTOg/s1600/IMG_7002.jpg) Fishman. Might help explain the nose.

As somebody who loves most of Arlong Park and feels like its where Luffy started to get development, this is an entertaining read. The "I can beat you" line is actually one of my favorites in the series.

[LaZodiac]

I'd like to point out that Arlong is actually a sawtooth shark (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-niuOLMC_rf8/USlFdeVPWMI/AAAAAAAADzY/LqfE5mnUTOg/s1600/IMG_7002.jpg) Fishman. Might help explain the nose.

As somebody who loves most of Arlong Park and feels like its where Luffy started to get development, this is an entertaining read. The "I can beat you" line is actually one of my favorites in the series.

A touch late to the party, but yes :smallamused:

Arlong Park is the first real GOOD arc, in my opinion. Everything leading up to it is quite good, but Arlong is the first GOOD good arc. I'm glad Raziere enjoyed it.

[Forrestfire]

So I think we can rightly blame him on everything. because he is Usopp.

I wholeheartedly support this. :smallamused::smalltongue:

[chainer1216]

i can't stop laughing at the doctor theories
and how chopper is SO much weirder.

[Forrestfire]

i can't stop laughing at the doctor theories
and how chopper is SO much weirder.

Oh wow, I hadn't even thought of that. Chopper has become so "normal" that he barely pings my radar for One Piece strangeness.

Which I guess says something about One Piece :smallamused:

[Lord Raziere]

But wait!

I've decided I'm not done for today, another round! Apparently we are now going into the Loguetown Arc. apparently the end of the prologue. the frelling PROLOGUE. longest. prologue. ever.


sigh, after a snailphone, a bird newspaper salesman just seems par for the course...the world really does run on improbability drives, all the way down...

wait.....Nami, I'm happy for you that your embracing your pirate attitude fully but really, carting your mothers orange grove all around the ocean? why? just....why? isn't that a little impractical at the very least? what is even the reason for this?

that...was their wanted poster wasn't it?

so it starts out at 30 million, and will only go up from there? walking fortune, Waiter Boy is.

blonde girl: Usopp is a part of a crew thats worth more than all of the other pirates they fought! he is probably in danger and will be hunted by various marines and bounty hunters for the money! YAY! THIS...IS....ADMIRABLE... FOR SOME....REASON.....

she is studying to be a doctor? hm, why do I feel that this is significant? is the doctor they need, her? seems kind of improbable, she is not finished yet and wouldn't be good at anything.

Marine boy: Luffy is now a wanted pirate who is more worth more than all of the other pirates they fought! he is probably in danger, and dangerous to everyone around him, will be hunted by marines, bounty hunters, and is now technically my enemy and if I say anything too loud about knowing them, the higher ups will probably make me spill the beans on all that I know! THIS IS ADMIRABLE FOR SOME REASON!

well, glad that you at least recognize the enemies part, young pseudo-Trunks.

Kuro's a pirate again? hrmrm. oh well, guess its time for leaving people alive to come biting Waiter Boy in the butt...

Luffy: I'm now a wanted pirate who is worth more than all of the other pirates I fought! I am now going to be hunted by various bounty hunters and marines because I left that guy alive! I am notorious to everyone and will probably be recognized and feared wherever I go!

THIS!

IS!

ADMIRABLE!

FOR!

SOME!

REASON!!!

Usopp: I am now following in the footsteps of my good-for-nothing father! I'm probably going to die. I apparently consider this admirable for some reason.

Sanji: I am not on the poster, and am therefore more safe. I find this outrageous for some reason.

Yes Nami, thank you, someone finally has the appropriate reaction to this wanted poster. Good to know that you will always be our voice of reason Nami. even if you are a little eccentric about the oranges thing.

AHAHAHA! he sails right by the strawhats! lucky Fullbody...

Fail. your not fullbody, your names FAILbody.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH, MIHAWK!!!!

Shanks and Mihawk know each other? interesting....

Random townsfolk: the boy we knew and love has grown up into a dangerous criminal who has defeated other pirate captains and now has a bounty on his head worth more than all the rest! he is probably hunted by bounty hunters and marines! This is admirable for some reason!

the elder is reasonable and right! whats with people being happy the village has produced a monster greater than the ones before him? this is nonsense! this is unnatural! THIS IS MADNESS!
Shanks: THIS! IS! ONE PIECE!
*kicks me into the ocean*

ah, so the importance of Loguetown becomes clear, the beginning and the end, where Gold Roger took his first and his last breath, the alpa and the omega.

I think this will be interesting....

whoa, what happened to Alvida? she must've exercised HARD!


heh, suddenly switching to Buggy through the map....

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! he is still small. yea, famous for being Mr. Tiny!

yea, bad luck, whatever Captain Hobbit, your not gonna win anything in your condition...

what is that bird, an apteryx? is this a filler episode? well, its probably the best one if it has mini-Buggy on a misadventure and failing at everything.

oh god, he is actually somewhat terrifying when he pins the bird down like that :smalleek:

of course, they're only children and now Buggy's gonna get it. but that makes the previous moment even more terrifying in retrospect...

HA! a bird is smarter than Buggy.

heh, and he sails right over the strawhats....

Stare off Duel Round two!

BUGGY VS. RANDOM AFRODUDE

STARE!

The tension is high folks, which one will win this time? will Buggy outstare this guy, or will his afro prove too distracting?

huh, Buggy is actually friendly and won't harm the animals. odd. but then again he did hunt those birds on the other island...

huh, this filler made Buggy sympathetic...weird...

somehow I actually care more for Buggy than I do Luffy now. I actually hope he finds some measure of happiness. what even is this?

Whoa, Alvida. :smalleek: you must've REALLY exercised for that. just....whoa. startling change....

wait a minute.... this WASN'T filler? this was actual getting two villains to work towards the same goal and make Luffy's life harder? YAAAAY!

[Forrestfire]

Bounties are generally considered a measure of power. If you've got a high bounty, it means in many case that you're stronger than the ones with lower bounties.

Luffy likes the fact that he has a bounty because it means he's recognized as a pirate. Usopp likes the fact that he has a bounty because his father was a pirate, so his goal is to be one as well. Zoro likes the fact that he has a bounty because his goal is to be the strongest swordsman, and bounties are used as informal measures of power.

[Moak]

I found very interesting the fact that the reasons why I like Rufy are the ones that you dislike. I love his predatory way to be. I love his slasher look. I love how he simply change from goofy to "now, you are dead". It gives me chill, and the fight with Arlong was the first time I've actually started to like him.

It's very interesting and amusing to read your episodes review :) Keep up with your good work!

[LaZodiac]

Note that the Buggy episodes are taken from the Cover Arcs. Cover Arcs are little one page chapters on the cover page of every chapter of One Piece.

Also, the fruits will help prevent scurvy, and they taste good. It's totally logical for Nami to take an entire orchard with em, if she can make it work.

[ThePhantom]

Ah, the Buggy's episodes are a lot of fun. Also, we have seen afroguy before, the strawhats went to his island before they got to the restaurant.

[Lord Raziere]

oh yeah, I skipped over the last of the later Usopp arc episodes and filler episodes before the restaurant actually, sorry if I deceived a little you about that, I was just kind of tired of seeing that arc, read the manga instead as it was faster, then skipped over the filler then resumed by watching Krieg Arc, I'm just not a fan of Usopp.

I don't know why, Usopp arc just felt like a drag. and yeah, I check to see the opening of the manga of the next arc so I know what to look for in the episodes just to make sure I'm not watching filler. I don't care if its illogical and I should just read the manga, its my method and I'm sticking to it.

good news! I've no more finals. so now I can be free to watch One Piece in a glorious ripoff of every online caustic critic ever. maybe. so hopefully things will be faster now.

[Metahuman1]

Ussop eventually evens out in that he becomes useful, but not overly so. Like the rest of the crew except for the big three, Luffy Zoro and Sanji, who are basically army killers on their own. Everyone else helps though.

4Kids is and always will be the worst in every single thing they do except for Ultimate Muscle.

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2003 version says hi.

[LaZodiac]

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2003 version says hi.

Not an anime and thus not subject to the problems they inflict on anime.

[Metahuman1]

Not an anime and thus not subject to the problems they inflict on anime.

Fair enough, and no, 4kids has managed to hack me off/offend me on quite a few occasions.

I note that particular series as the only time I think they did ANYTHING that in fact didn't make me want to smack them.

[Lord Raziere]

Anyways, a few more episodes! Lets take this to episode FIFTY!


Ladies and gentlemen, the only time a cannon will probably ever be useful in this anime, say goodbye to it and say hello to mini-Buggy and hot Alvida! strange how they both underwent transformations at the hands of the Strawhats....

No, I haven't been waiting for it, but Buggy is more welcome than more Waiter Boy.

wat. they really miss him. they really think him kind. wat. I don't know how to feel about this, on one hand this is an interesting direction they are going and potentially knocks down Luffy being a pure hero guy. on the other hand, they were jerks who blew up peoples homes for entertainment and are basically evil.
hrmmm.....

wow, really long boxing match. or is it normal length? boxing matches are a show unto itself, but can they really go on that long, or is it just One Piece-level stamina and endurance at work?

annnnd.....TEXTBOOK ROCKY TIE ENDING! 600 points gained!

the....lion......wants.....to.....be.....captain.. ....ahahahaha....is this what insanity is?

wtf, a dragon?

weirdest dream ever....

lolwat. the dream came true. I take it back. THIS is what insanity feels like.

roflpwned. reality is now normal again. stupid improbability drives.

Buggy really does care about his crew, and really, your not fooling me its so obviously Alvida that it HURTS. just, this is not even hiding it. not saying her name doesn't even make me uncertain or anything, she is Alvida, why are being so evasive about this?

and as for Waiter Boy....he seems oddly pensive, and focused....his eyes are too narrow for blankface, and his mouth is too frowning for happy, so I'm assuming this is his theoretical fourth emotion after angry. at least we're getting back to the main plot!



FINALLY! a new opening! I was getting tired of the first one. just so incongruous...yea DEFINITELY better than the first opening, won't need to mute it to get through it.

Luffy: I get to see how my predecessor died! YAAAAYY!!!
guess he is really excited about history...

ha! Sanji fell for Alvida! oh if only he knew....

I find this shopkeeper fishy, but its Usopp, so he deserves whatever he gets.

Captain Smoker....smoking.....ok who named him? I want to punch his parents.

oh frack, this guy is scary. don't hurt the little girl Captain....ok I can't call you that, cause that feels too insulting and acknowledging the name your parents gave you, I'mma call you Captain Pace, cause you do things at your own pace, and I find that admirable in a person.

oh its seems he is a nice guy after all. cool

and of course the captain one scene guy will get beaten because Captain Pace forgot the wanted poster. at least we get to see him in action! and he is doing good!

oh maybe not show it, nevermind, point is, this guy is strong.

AHAHAHAHA! Zorro fell in love! then broke the glasses! this so rich! gonna get shot down for you even get going!

Poor Zorro, I think your going to wind up in eternal debt to Nami...

ok, this is creepy....

um question, if people don't go near the grand line, how do they go from the north hemisphere to the south hemisphere?

and yeah, yeah, obligatory generational copy-paste stuff, par for the shonen course....gods, I should find more kinds of shonen than just To be a Master stuff, I'm starting to see the cliches....

and yeah, its pretty confirmed that Pace's devil fruit power is smoke manipulation

....why do I feel like that Captain Pace was the one who has narrating the first opening now? :smalleek:

oh so, Gold Roger was answering a random guy at that crowd as to where the One Piece is, that makes sense.

hm, Luffy actually feels nervous? hm. I'll make a prediction, now:
he is going to follow in Gold Roger's footsteps to the very end. he is going to die like Gold Roger and say similar words, starting the whole thing over again.

I think he knows this, thats why he swallowed, because he knows he is going to end up there someday.


oh, Waiter Boy, getting owned, not your day.

I agree Sanji, what is Usopp doing buying that cheap jimcrackery clearly meant for tourists?

Buggy can tell the future with poker cards? or is it just fakery?

heh, they think he is dead. throw him to a watery grave!

"hes cleaning our floors! the fiend!" yes....cleaning floors...VERY fiendish behavior, and does the sergeant major not recognize him-oh right, glasses broke.

Zorro you lucky bastard, you wield a cursed sword, no wait, probably TWO swords and are like "whatever, I'll make do", because even cursed swords must acknowledge your badass. no two cursed swords? aaaw.

Luffy: must....get....back....to....place....where....I'l l.....be....killed!

ahahaha, wat, how did they not realize? just...ha...



Hello, and thank you for staying with me thus far, I know that I'm a humble forum poster and nerd, who is blatantly being a karkat/nostalgia critic/insert critic here knockoff who is not as remotely funny as those guys. I'd just like to say thanks so far, to minorly celebrate getting to the 50th episode milestone, here is to 550+ more!

Status:
Luffy: still hate him
Usopp: hate him slightly less, if only because slightly more sensible.
Nami: care about.
Sanji: care about.
Zorro: badass
Buggy: care about. (you'll get your revenge someday!)
Captain Pace: cool dude, beats pirates and doesn't afraid of anything

Episode:
hm, I'm starting to wonder at these large prices. what currency system is the beli based off of? yen? or something else? because the prices they keep throwing around here are ridiculous. or maybe its normal and I'm just not used to such big prices being bandied about. would be nice to have a baseline though....

yea, you totally got scammed, Usopp. sucks to be you, even though you don't know it yet.

oh my god, SPOILED BRAT-PRINCESS. YOUR MAKING USOPP LOOK GOOD AGAIN. PLEASE STOP EXISTING SO THAT HE CAN CONTINUE TO BE THE MOST HATEFUL THING IN THIS ANIME. MY GOD. she is the most unnatural thing of all...

AHAHAHAHA! I take it back Brat-princess, you have wisely taken advantage of Usopp's natural tendency to lie and bought him a one way ticket to ownsville, your good. Daddy....SIC EM!

....she is not a spoiled brat at all! she only wanted to give her father a present! I take it back, your a nice girl. Usopp, your now evil.

unlike a certain captain, Daddy carries around pictures of his bounties....smart man.

"hes a scary bloodthirsty devilish man!" Usopp, why would you say that about your own captain, your supposed to be lying remember?

and Daddy is a nice guy who only wants to live fine with his daughter...yea, I'm starting to care more about him than Luffy, he should totally win and get the money and live happily ever after.

uh Usopp....your deluding yourself now...he is not intimidated, idiot....

Nami, you demonstrate sanity again, but really you should know not to ask these sorts of questions "who would be stupid enough?" is a guaranteed reveal of exactly the person who would be stupid enough to do just that.

die, Usopp die, ahahahahaha....

oh, not getting away that easy, cowardly fool....

aaaaaaaaaaaaauuuugh, thats too contrived a coincidence! Mr Bounty Hunter Daddy knows Yasopp. freaking......aaaggh!! why does the universe contrive itself for Usopp to live? gods....argh.....

Ha! Yasopp admits he is a useless parent. the uselessness runs in the family! hahahahahaha!

fail, Usopp, fail...fail Usopp fail....

YAY! he failed! proof that Usopp is a failure forever. too bad that Daddy will be merciful to him in 3 2 1....

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!! NO NO! I THAT IS NOT WHAR. HOW CAN HE EVEN SEE THAT. WAT WAT WAT WAT WAT. a nice bit of "I'll return the mercy your father gave me" thing, WASTED, by this BULL, about Usopp hit the crown jewel without anyone but him knowing! there is no way they could've spotted that, what the hell! thats just plain bull! aaaauuuuuuugh!!!

just what. it would be one thing if Daddy was merciful to him because of the Yasopp thing, its entirely another to go "oh he missed, no wait he didn't!" its just.....aaagh! its a pointless fakeout! it was completely unneeded! we could've had some Daddy showing actual mercy in return, but NO! we had to do this pointless fakeout, when we already had one right there that there was much more plausible and in keeping with the story and what Yasopp did for him, just for some "sharpshooting is genetic" bull! just....wat! just wat! why? just why? argh.....moving on....

:smalleek: someone has been looking for Sanji...for ten years!? what a twist! and so out of nowhere!

[Tectonic Robot]

Well, for one thing, episode fifty was filler. DUN DUN DUN

For another thing, it showed that Usopp was actually a competent sniper! Which he is.

[Forrestfire]

Ok, I was wondering where that stuff came from.

For a second I was worried that the anime skipped right to the Alabastia arc, then I remembered that that would make no sense...

[LaZodiac]

Since you asked, AT THE TIME basically no one knew that sexy sultress was Alvida, because it was too far out of left field.

We have learned otherwise to expect the unexpected.

[ThePhantom]

Maybe you can call the captain Captain Chaser, its close to his name.

As I said before, this area is all about character episodes, through I don't think Nami gets one. Well, all about character episodes and Buggy's revenge.

[LaZodiac]

To clarify, Chaser is what 4Kids called him. It's..appropriate, though I prefer Smoker.

I also think Smoker is a codename, mind you.

[Metahuman1]

yea, One Piece starts making sense when you think of the pirates as like Wulin- the Fighting Community, where normal people inhabit a "normal" world while the the pirates inhabit an "other" world, metaphorically speaking. a Jiang Hu if you will. thats what the jolly roger is about, its not really defiance, its more like declaring they are apart of another world and community different from the ordinary one, with different rules. and the world government is of course, the thing that would normally be the ancient chinese government.

however the pirate theme might make it more skewed towards the criminal side of things, I don't know, never seen any other kind of wuxia. but it sort of tells me that maybe the Fighting Community isn't held in all that high regard by the government in other wuxia either- just because you culturally declare yourself different from normal laws, doesn't mean your legally different. which means that by strictly legal definitions of the term, the Fighting Community are criminals no matter how virtuous they are. and hey it would make sense. declaring yourself a badass who can defeat armies of other people by yourself with like, a single weapon or none at all is pretty threatening to the power of government to enforce things...

Well, have you ever heard of a bureaucrat that was willing to give up control of something, or liked the idea there were people that said bureaucrat couldn't hold power over? It's against the very nature of a bureaucrat to do that.

More so if the bureaucrats are also born into a higher class then the people declaring that they are not part of there world and system. Allowing people to do that simply cannot be allowed, even if you have to have people just like that but on your side to reign them in and can never be totally successful.

Who cares of that commoner can kill me with his fingers and a though from down the block and there's not a thing I could do to stop him if he actually decided to do that, he'd still better grovel before me, I was born into a more important family and have a more important job and title darn it!

[Lord Raziere]

Well, have you ever heard of a bureaucrat that was willing to give up control of something, or liked the idea there were people that said bureaucrat couldn't hold power over? It's against the very nature of a bureaucrat to do that.

More so if the bureaucrats are also born into a higher class then the people declaring that they are not part of there world and system. Allowing people to do that simply cannot be allowed, even if you have to have people just like that but on your side to reign them in and can never be totally successful.

Who cares of that commoner can kill me with his fingers and a though from down the block and there's not a thing I could do to stop him if he actually decided to do that, he'd still better grovel before me, I was born into a more important family and have a more important job and title darn it!

you mean bureaucrats are the people in power!? I thought they were just people who signed files all day so that one thing or another could be approved or not approved. they the people who are actually wielding resources and such? I was starting to wonder what their actual job was....

[Lord Raziere]

ok, hope this is not double-posting, as for previous post, hrm, guess no one replied to that because too close to politics. WHATEVER! More One Piece. hopefully not filler, really if its filler going to be this hard to detect, I might accidentally watch all of them.


....well, this ought to be interesting. cook battle? france vs. spain?

DAHAHAHA! of course thats the first thing he does.

Ha, only ten days. knew there was something fishy about the years...

ha, they're eating at the same restaurant and Buggy's money is paying for it, of course, of course. :smallamused: I like how the scenes of the two captains mirror each other so well.

ah, so there is the motivation for Sanji to enter.

still lovy-duvy, Sanji, never change, you don't even care that she hates you, you just do what do...

of course he won....

and oh, looks like it wasn't filler. now it seems to be a showdown between Captain Pace, Buggy, Alvida, Luffy and whoever else. there is going to be chaos in that plaza...


looking at that hat blow away scene again makes me realize how improbable and ironic that Luffy spent so much time trying to find that place only to find it when he didn't intend to.

also, doesn't it actually make Buggy conspicuous by donning the cloaks? I mean, people don't report any guys hiding themselves with identical cloaks walking around? no one sees that as suspicious at all? maybe they emit Somebody Else's Problem fields, much like how Luffy's brain emits one upon himself.

hah! its a preserved landmark! Waiter Boy, you screwed up again, time for the Law to come down upon you- OH! he got slapped by a club! Alvida! your here first. hehe, even the girls have heart-eyes...

ok, to be fair, she is pretty different, so I guess if your not as observant as me, you don't notice if she is Alvida.....

....oh, Waiter Boy is just forgetful about people in general. nevermind, he probably doesn't even remember who Kuro was.

hah! its going to happen sooner than I thought! Go Buggy! fulfill the prophecy! complete the cycle! kill Luffy! that boy wanted to follow in gold Roger's footsteps, well...he is getting his wish! only, its the last footstep he ever took, but it still counts.

oh frag, there is something bigger coming....

smart Captain Pace, get rid of the ships, don't want them leaving and causing more trouble.

Buggy, stop wasting time and kill him already.

smart Captain Pace, smart, you going to get far.

....you finally realize that its YOUR death Waiter Boy? how dense- oh right, its you.

....why is the ship sweatdropping?

oh, so thats what Waiter boy becomes when he can't get out of things with fighting. he becomes a sulky child who thinks an apology will clear everything up.
at least go out with dignity like Gold Roger, Waiter Boy, it is your dream isn't it?

hhahahahahha! nice final joke before you die there Waiter Boy. always the comedian, that Luffy. his funniest joke was his last!

noo, Zorro, Sanji, don't ruin your awesomes! let Luffy die. your better off without him. your making a mistake....

seriously Buggy! HURRY UP! STOP DAWDLING! your chance is NOW! do it before you waste it! aaagh!

yay! he finally accepted death!

Nooooo! lightning struck and is causing something horribly improbable and stupid to happen! noooo!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! why! just....why! why does the universe itself want you to live! thats not even plausible! you should be dead! maybe its your ghost....yes, maybe its just your ghost.....your not alive, you just don't know your dead....

oh, he listens to reason for once, great time after you DIED, you GHOST.

SEE? EVEN CAPTAIN PACE KNOWS THAT THE UNIVERSE IS CONTRIVING EVERYTHING SO THAT LUFFY MAY LIVE. WHAT THE HECK!? I AGREE WITH HIM, WHY IS THIS HAPPENING!? WHY IS THE GHOST STILL HERE? WHY, JUST WHY?

go Captain Pace...defeat the ghost! save the world....



who is this cloaked dude? is he the one causing the storm?

CAPTAIN PACE, WRONG PIRATES, Luffy is the dangerous one!

try setting the ship on fire, from the INSIDE. or just use your pirate kung fu to cause a few leaks, its not hard...

sigh, Zorro...now your being a jerk, I think? or not? can't tell...

blankface at Captain Pace!

"if this keeps up they will sink the going Merry!" GOOD!

yay, your leaving Luffy behind! now push Usopp off the ship, find a way to rescue Sanji and your golden. Zorro? I dunno, he is standing on shaky ground now...

yay! Usopp threw himself off! 1/2 objectives achieved! now rescue Sanji and your golden!

lol, Waiter Boy's getting beaten again, shows him for trying to fight against the law....

wat. no! no! not again! even this mysterious criminal guy is helping Luffy!? is there even a challenge here!? no! its just random things bailing Waiter Boy out of dying! he should be dead! this is approaching mary sue levels of contrivance.

nooooooo! he escaped! and it wasn't even a real fight! boo! Luffy should be dead! he is a ghost! nooo! booo!

Loguetown arc, surprisingly short. sigh. too bad Luffy didn't die. it would've been interesting if they vowed to carry on their dreams together despite his death.

[Metahuman1]

you mean bureaucrats are the people in power!? I thought they were just people who signed files all day so that one thing or another could be approved or not approved. they the people who are actually wielding resources and such? I was starting to wonder what their actual job was....

It's not a universally accepted school of though, and bureaucrats is a rather loose term here that basically means "Anyone with even the most minor position of authority or power over anyone else.".

But it does seem to fit based on what little I know of how the settings World Government works.

[Hiro Protagonest]

Yeah, the fact that Buggy gets struck by lightning and Dragon shows up is really skewing the improbability in favor of Luffy... however, they do acknowledge this much, much later (there's a guy who shows up in the most recent arc who thinks Luffy's destined to become the king of pirates because he saw him declare it right before he got saved by that miracle). I dunno, maybe Dragon has storm powers? We know very little about him. Still, the fact that he knew where Luffy was and managed to get there, or just happened to be in Loguetown, is improbable.

[ThePhantom]

Don't worry Raziere this should make some sense later. Also, we have been introducted to seastone, the anti-devil fruit stuff.

Pity that it won't be for ages that it is revealed that Dragon is Luffy's father. Things make a lot more sense when that comes to light.

Anyways, Buggy now has become the closest to killing Luffy, with Smoker being the first person who Luffy can't beat.

[Forum Explorer]

Well I thought that the storm was caused by the mysterious cloaked figure who wanted to save Luffy for some reason.

[Lord Raziere]

Yarr, Filler be spotted upon the horizon, according to this digital map I recently plundered.

I be sailing right past these black waters and be on with the main plot, mateys.

Behold As I perform the first ever.....

FILLER SKIP!

*jumps from Episode 54 to episode 62*

Yarr! We have cleared seven episodes of waste me hearties, let us resume the voyage.


Yarr! this mountain be defyin' gravity, be there no explanation for this blasphemy against the natural laws? or does it be a mystery that nobody knows of? aaaaaarrrr.....

THAR SHE BLOWS! Er.... WAILS......I mean er.... ROARS. Aye, ROARS, THAR SHE ROARS! That pun not be intended matey....and if ye joke about it I'll skin ye in the gizzard!

Yarr, ideas from the Waiter Boy? the ideas of this scurvy dog, if they were written down, would be not fit to swab the deck of my ship or help kindle the fires of my cook!

ye attacked the giant whale o' the deeps!? What I tell ye, this boy be daft and empty as the hat he wears! he will send him and his crew to a watery grave with where he is going, right to davy jones locker!

what madness be the goats head snapping and spinning around like that!? The vessel was not even going that fast! I suspect shenanigans from the engines of improbable events be behind this as well....perhaps they were behind the storm's arrival at Loguetown, it be the only explanation for anything in this story, yaaaaarrr....

The Waiter Boy not even care that one of his crewmates might even be killed, instead worrying about his special seat! what captain be him, I ask you?

This boy has even less sense than I thought. Waiter Boy, greet Davy Jones fer me with all my respect aye? Tell him I respect fer the job he is going to pull on Waiter Boy once he is a deadman, yarr. Even yer crew disagrees with ye on this foolhardiness!

Yarr, why was the only one to survive the whales maw be the most hateful and stupid of pirates? Yarr, he be the one who got all the others into this! If anything he should be in the whales belly, aye.

ahar, ye finally be recognizing yer mistake, Waiter Boy? yarr, I do enjoy ye losing all yer crew and ship, fer ye no longer a true pirate me boy, only a stranded fool on top of a whale, and if the universe have any good sense, which I doubt, a stranded fool you will remain. its only the fate ye deserve, after all that ye have done.

and now this whale be off fer the deeps, and ye cannae swim. face it boy, ye lost, ye bound fer Davy Jones locker and all because of a seat ye favored. never before have I seen such stupidity on the waters all me life. I can only mourn for the shipmates of Nami and Sanji, and possibly Zorro if I be so inclined.

YARR!? What madness be a whale with a door!? Me be thinkin' this not be a whale at all! in fact....I be saying this:

Its a whale!
Thats no whale....thats a naval station.

Arrr, ye not even be seeing the trap door, boy? Too bad, yer a dead man now...

yarr, I disagree, this not be a dream, this be a contraption of the Marines, a trap for any pirates that try to cross the Blues, and ye fell fer it mateys.

yarr, a giant squid? this naval station be bigger than I thought, mayhaps it be an aquatic research facility instead, aye? use the big beasts maw to swallow up thar beasties and study them in waters big enough to be their natural environment, aarrrrrr....

Yarr! are ye this stupid boy! It not be a whale! that why it was a passage way. yet thick skull knows no seas upon which it can navigate!

yarr, what manner of marine/scientist/fisherman be this man?

another staring contest number three! Sanji vs. Random Old Fisherman!
It be a surprise match off, yarr. The tension be high, can Sanji keep up the stare upon which he has never afore? What does this man even do with his time, aye?
What does he think of these intruders sailing into his secret waters? and aaaarrrrr, Sanji loses as he is the first to break! better luck next time, matey...

yarr, he be staring again, this old fisherman's stare be overdramatic as a play written entirely in purple and shouted to the heavens, it be making no sense. why does the universe treat the old man's stare so? does this speak of some old master in normal garb nonsense? yarr, I fear it might be so...

yarr, as if they don't hear that kind of threat every two episodes.

yarr! overdramatic starin' again! this be madness, stop be treating a man staring at people as something all important and incredibly threatening mate, it not be convincing me, it only be making me tired of seeing the same footage twice and be making me think of the Hitchhikers Guide movie where that kind of thing was parodied while a planet was blown up, ye can't go any farther and do any better, so stop trying, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrr......

This old man be infuriating as treasure swallowed by a fish. his name be Crocus? weird name, mate, weird name.

AGAIN! THIS OVERDRAMATIC STOP-PANELING FOOTAGE BEING REPEATED THRICE IS JUST NONSENSE NOW! STOP DOING IT OR YE BE GETTING GUTTED IN THE GIZZARD! It not be making this situation any more dramatic, just bloody stupid.

YAAAAARR!? He broke the fourth wall mateys, this man be dangerous! Kill him now, afore he shipwrecks everything! but if he fights Waiter Boy, don't bother, he be doing something right and good then.

Yar, this be a real whale!? Why then does it have a hatch on the outside and an exit!? Ye be making no sense mateys, no sense, I still say this be a contraption of somebody or other....

Yarr, there be a town inside this whale!? What madness I be hearing!? This be a cyberwhale!? the improbability drive contraptions cause nonsense again!

Ye can stretch yer arms mate, but ye forgot that and fell in anyways! ye be daft as ever!

no wait, the two people be trying to kill the whale fer the something or other and the town be separate from the whale, while the old man be trying to heal the whale by my reckoning....

yarr, Luffy, that be what ye call a conscience, mate. It be the thing that helps ye tell right from wrong, and good from evil. Ye be finally growing one I suspect? good, now how ye be feeding the people of the village aye?

now we set sail for the next episode mateys!



Yaaaaaaarr, we be hearing a flashback tale of a scarred whale now!? truly this show be testing the limits of my sanity upon these seas....

aaaaarrrrrr, a nice pirate aside from Shanks and non-Luffy Strawhats? what be this madness?

yarr, the whale be abandoned and that is why he will forever ram the Red Line? why have ye made him suffer mate, let the hunters have their food, put Laboon out of his misery. the pirates never be coming back at this rate, they probably be shipwrecked long ago and died of, drowning, scurvy or starvation.

aaarrr, how ye gonna get out, mate? Laboon be underwater, if ye come out the wrong place, ye be going straight into underwater territory and drowning anyways.

yaaaaaaaarrr? my prediction be speculated in show? arr, that be odd. could Crocus truly be the doctor they get, after they solve Laboon's problem?

Aaaaaarrrr, Usopp as always proves to be worth less than a swabbie without a mob or a bilge rat on land. even the other Strawhats be knowing the truth of the matter and not be trusting in foolhardy notions of them ever returning.

yarr, looks like they were smarter and more piratey than I thought, good on them, after all, a giant whale be not very useful fer a pirate on the waters, no matter how friendly. can't be controlled reliably, yarr.

cruel!? that be how pirates do things mate! they plunder! they rob, they murder landlubbers upon their blades! Usopp, ye be a fool who cannae even wield a cutlass and pistol to save his life, fer ye with yer faint heart could never take one!

yaaaaaaarr, the old man be telling the whale who understands the common tongue and the whale still rams his noggin against the shelf!? Let him die, ye old fool. This whale be in nothing but pain, and by letting him live you only torment him further. That and ye be making the passage to other oceans more dangerous the more he lives! who knows how many men, innocent or not, fell to the beasts maw and rot in Laboons belly? fifty years, yarr, fifty years of crews being lost at sea to a fool whale who does not know when to fold em, not worth the healing, compared to the lives lost, says I. don't try to deny they died, there be skeletons and wrecks in his belly, we saw it, and there be probably more! the whales nothing but a menace!

if he keeps ramming the Line, he will die? well then mate, the problem will solve itself, no need to intervene, yarr. ye be prolonging the inevitable.

yaaaaarrrr, ye have a good idea fer once Luffy, stab the whale! stab him more! kill him now and end this farce!

what madness be this, Waiter Boy. yer making enemies and rivalries with a whale? proof ye have gone off the deep end if ye hadn't done so ten years ago by eating that fruit!

uh.......yaaaaaaaar? Luffy ye be doing nothing but repeatin' history. Is there any record of Waiter Boy ever returning and finishing the job, or not? this not be solving the problem, it only be replacing them fer ye, and I reckon with yer mind, who cannae remember the names of his dangerous enemies, ye be soon be forgetting the whales existence as well! kill the accursed thing and be done with it!

old man, that be a good question, and I wonder if they do indeed actually want to achieve anything or just suicidally throw themselves to an early watery grave and shipwreck themselves as fast as possible, and just keep missing their target, aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrr.....

YAAAAAAAAAAARR!! TEN POINTS TO SANJI FER KICKING YER FOOL WAITER BOY, MINUS TEN MILLION FER BREAKING THE ONLY GOOD NAVIGATIONAL TOOL YE HAVE ON THESE WATERS! This be an outrage, yaaaaaar!!

Sanji, don't bother rescuing yer captain from those waters, he be a daft pig child who did not listen to ye and caused ye to break thar Log Pose. oh,Crocus be giving them his? yaaarr, what be the point of breaking the first then? all for a gag or something?

Yaar, Wednesday, Nine, ye be asking the wrong seadogs fer help, especially the captain, he be bloody stupid and a demon in battle to boot! he only exists to feed and fulfill his own accursed ways, find someone more worthy of yer time.

What again, be the purpose of the broken Log Pose? It serves no point or purpose I can discern, as why would Crocus even have his own, he lives in a lighthouse fer godssake. he need not travel anywhere!

yaaaaaaarr!!! Waiter Boy said yes with his face of blankess about his expression, that is him at his most dangerous, trust him not! flee and try to swim back, yer chances of living and having a good life be far better on the waters than being in his presence.

they be right to laugh at his declaration, this straw-hatted fool with bilge for brains is never going to achieve his dream, especially with how long this show be going on! why, its almost on pokemon levels of drawn out nonsense!

see Waiter Boy? ye didn't even remember Lagoon's name even as yer said goodbye to him, yer not gonna remember the promise, arrrharharharharhar...

Aye! a mysterious air of predatory instinct and cheerful slaughter! more beast than pirate, says I. fit more for rowing the galleys at best than standing on the ships prow! ye do not give the crown of the pirates to a monkey, just as ye don't make a parrot yer first mate, it be madness! but what be yer connection to Gold Roger, I be wondering?

[LaZodiac]

I would suggest maybe not investing the human to pirate speech program in the future. No offense but that was pretty hard to read :smalleek:

Also it's sort of just a thing that Luffy says names wrong sometimes. He's kind of an idiot.

[Lord Raziere]

I did not use a translator or program, that was my own speech. I said a lot of that out loud as I gone along.

but, if you insist, I will post a de-piratified version....soon.

[Forrestfire]

That was amazing. Although yeah, hard to read beyond the meaning of the sentences.

I wonder what he'll think of Brook?

[LaZodiac]

I did not use a translator or program, that was my own speech. I said a lot of that out loud as I gone along.

but, if you insist, I will post a de-piratified version....soon.

I know, that was a joke :smalltongue:

Sorry to take away your fun, I just found it pretty difficult to understand, and it felt a touch overused. I know you said you're trying to emulate the likes of the Nostalgia Critic, but you don't need to go that far :smallamused::smallwink:

For what it's worth it was still funny.

[Lord Raziere]

I guess I'm sort of trying to emulate him, but its more subconscious. I just felt like it at the moment, and it gone on for the whole post, because what the heck.

Now for De-piratification:

Filler has been spotted upon the horizon, according to the one piece wiki (they have a wiki for EVERYTHING nowadays...)

I will going past this and on with the main plot.

Behold As I perform the first ever.....

FILLER SKIP!

*jumps from Episode 54 to episode 62*

We have cleared seven episodes of waste, let us resume the watching.


this mountain is defying gravity, is there no explanation for this abomination against the laws of physics? or is it just a mystery that nobody knows of?

THAR SHE BLOWS! Er.... WAILS......I mean er.... ROARS. Aye, ROARS, THAR SHE ROARS! That pun was not intended....and if you joke about it I'll skin you in the gizzard!

an idea from the Waiter Boy? the ideas of this idiot, if they were written down, would not be fit to scrub the floor of my ship or burn to help cook my food!

you attacked the giant whale!? What I tell you, this boy be stupid and air-headed as the hat he wears! he will send him and his crew to an early death!

what is this insanity? why did the goats head snap and spin around like that!? The ship was not even going that fast! I suspect shenanigans from the improbably drives are behind this as well....perhaps they were behind the storm's arrival at Loguetown as well, it is the only explanation for anything in this story,

The Waiter Boy does not even care that one of his crewmates might be killed, instead worrying about his special seat! what kind of captain is he?

This boy has even less sense than I thought. Waiter Boy, greet Davy Jones for me with all my respect yes? Tell him I respect him for the job he is going to pull on you once you are dead Even your crew disagrees with you on this foolishness!

why was the only one to survive the whales chomp, the most hateful and stupid of pirates? he is the one who got all the others into this! If anything he is the one who should be in the whales belly!

huh, finally recognizing your mistake, Waiter Boy? I do enjoy you losing all your crew and ship, for your no longer a true pirate, only a stranded fool on top of a whale, and if the universe have any good sense, which I doubt, a stranded fool you will remain. its only the fate you deserve, after all that you have done.

and now this whale goes underwater, and ye cannot swim. face it Waiter Boy, you lost, you are bound for Davy Jones locker and all because of a seat you liked. never before have I seen such stupidity in my life. I can only mourn for the live of Nami and Sanji, and possibly Zorro if I feel like it

What insanity is a whale with a door!? I'm thinking this is not a whale at all! in fact....I'm saying this:

Its a whale!
Thats no whale....thats a naval station.

your not even be seeing the trap door? Too bad, your a dead man now...

I disagree, this not a dream, this is a machine of the Marines, a trap for any pirates that try to cross the Blues, and you fell for it.

a giant squid? this naval station is bigger than I thought, mayhaps it is an aquatic research facility instead? use the big beasts mouth to swallow up the beasts and study them in waters big enough to be their natural environment.

are you this stupid! It is not a whale! that is why it has a passage way. yet your thick skull knows no place where it can't get lost!

what manner of marine/scientist/fisherman is this man?

another staring contest number three! Sanji vs. Random Old Fisherman!
It is a surprise match off. The tension is high, can Sanji keep up the stare upon which he has never seen before? What does this man even do with his time?
What does he think of these intruders sailing into his secret waters? and Sanji loses as he is the first to break! better luck next time...

he is staring again, this old fisherman's stare is overdramatic as a play written entirely in purple and shouted to the heavens, it is making no sense. why does the universe treat the old man's stare so? does this speak of some old master in normal garb nonsense? I fear it might be so...

as if they don't hear that kind of threat every two episodes.

overdramatic staring again! this is madness, stop treating a man staring at people as if its something all important and incredibly threatening, it is not convincing me, it is only making me tired of seeing the same footage twice and making me think of the Hitchhikers Guide movie where that kind of thing was parodied while a planet was blown up, you can't go any farther and do any better, so stop trying!

This old man is infuriating as treasure swallowed by a fish. his name is Crocus? weird name, weird name.

AGAIN! THIS OVERDRAMATIC STOP-PANELING FOOTAGE BEING REPEATED THREE TIMES IS JUST NONSENSE NOW! STOP DOING IT OR YOUR GETTING GUTTED IN THE GIZZARD! It is not making this situation any more dramatic, just stupid.

He broke the fourth wall, this man is dangerous! Kill him now, before he wrecks everything! but if he fights Waiter Boy, don't bother, he is doing something right and good then.

this is a real whale!? Why then does it have a hatch on the outside and an exit!? Your making no sense, I still say this is a contraption of somebody or other....

there is a town inside this whale!? What insanity am I hearing!? This is a cyberwhale!? the improbability drives are causing nonsense again!

You can stretch your arms, but you forgot that and fell in anyways! you are as daft as ever!

no wait, the two people are trying to kill the whale for the something or other and the town is separate from the whale, while the old man is trying to heal the whale

Luffy, that is what you call a conscience. It is the thing that helps yoi tell right from wrong, and good from evil. You are finally growing one I suspect? good, now how you'll be feeding the people of the village hm?

now we set sail for the next episode!



we are hearing a flashback tale of a scarred whale now!? truly this show is testing the limits of my sanity....

a nice pirate aside from Shanks and non-Luffy Strawhats? what is this madness?

the whale is abandoned and that is why he will forever ram the Red Line? why have you made him suffer, let the hunters have their food, put Laboon out of his misery. the pirates are never coming back at this rate, they probably got shipwrecked long ago and died of drowning, scurvy or starvation.

how are you gonna get out? Laboon is underwater, if you come out the wrong place, your going straight into underwater and drowning anyways.

my prediction is speculated in show? that is odd. could Crocus truly be the doctor they get, after they solve Laboon's problem? (NO, because that would be stupid)

Usopp as always proves to be worth less than a swabbie without a mob or a bilge rat on land. even the other Strawhats know the truth of the matter and aren't trusting in foolhardy notions of them ever returning.

looks like they were smarter and more piratey than I thought, good on them, after all, a giant whale is not very useful for a pirate on the waters, no matter how friendly. can't be controlled reliably.

cruel!? that be how pirates do things! they plunder! they rob, they murder landlubbers upon their blades! Usopp, you are a fool who cannot even wield a cutlass and pistol to save his life, for you with your faint heart could never take one!

the old man is telling the whale who understands humans and the whale still rams his head against the shelf!? Let him die, you old fool. This whale is in nothing but pain, and by letting him live you only torment him further. That and your making the passage to other oceans more dangerous the more he lives! who knows how many men, innocent or not, fell to the beasts mouth and dissolved in Laboons belly? fifty years of crews being lost at sea to a stupid whale who does not know when to give up, not worth the healing compared to the lives lost,I say. don't try to deny they died, there is skeletons and wrecks in his belly, we saw it, and there is probably more! the whale is nothing but a menace!

if he keeps ramming the Line, he will die? well then the problem will solve itself, no need to intervene. you are prolonging the inevitable.

you have a good idea for once Luffy, stab the whale! stab him more! kill him now and end this farce!

what madness is this, Waiter Boy. yourr making enemies and rivalries with a whale? proof you have gone off the deep end if you hadn't done so ten years ago by eating that fruit!

uh....... Luffy your doing nothing but repeating history. Is there any record of Waiter Boy ever returning and finishing the job, or not? this not solving the problem, it is only replacing them for you, and I reckon with your mind, who cannot remember the names of his dangerous enemies, you'll soon forget the whales existence as well! kill the accursed thing and be done with it!

old man, that be a good question, and I wonder if they do indeed actually want to achieve anything or just suicidally throw themselves to an early watery grave and shipwreck themselves as fast as possible, and just keep missing their target

TEN POINTS TO SANJI FOR KICKING YOUR FOOL WAITER BOY, MINUS TEN MILLION FOR BREAKING THE ONLY GOOD NAVIGATIONAL TOOL YOU HAVE ON THESE WATERS! This is an outrage!!

Sanji, don't bother rescuing your captain from those waters, he is a daft pig child who did not listen to you and caused you to break the Log Pose. oh, Crocus is giving them his? what is the point of breaking the first then? all for a gag or something?

Wednesday, Nine, your are asking the wrong seadogs for help, especially the captain, he is bloody stupid and a demon in battle to boot! he only exists to feed and fulfill his own accursed ways, find someone more worthy of your time.

What again,is the purpose of the broken Log Pose? It serves no point or purpose I can discern, as why would Crocus even have his own, he lives in a lighthouse for god's sake. he doesn't need to travel anywhere!

Waiter Boy said yes with his blankface, that is him at his most dangerous, trust him not! flee and try to swim back, your chances of living and having a good life are far better on the open ocean than being in his presence.

they are right to laugh at his declaration, this straw-hatted fool with bilge for brains is never going to achieve his dream, especially with how long this show be going on! why, its almost on pokemon levels of drawn out nonsense! and do you think Ash is now pokemon master? considering he still journeying, I'm venturing a no.

see Waiter Boy? you didn't even remember Lagoon's name even as you said goodbye to him, your not gonna remember the promise.

Yes! a mysterious air of predatory instinct and cheerful slaughter! more beast than pirate, I say. fit more for rowing the galleys at best than standing on the ships prow! ye do not give the crown of the pirates to a monkey, just as you don't make a parrot your first mate, it is insanity! but, Crocus, what is your connection to Gold Roger, I wonder?

[Lizard Lord]

It seems to me you criticize the Strawhats for not acting like pirates but also criticize Luffy for the traits that make him a pirate and not a rebel or anything like that. It is very confusing. :smallconfused:

[Lord Raziere]

well here is the thing:

if it was a good PIRATE show, they would have no moral compunctions about any of this and actually be doing piratey things.

if it was a good SHONEN show, they would actually be moral people, Luffy would actually be a moral person who does things for good reasons, rather the chaotic neutral he actually is.

the two genres put together clash and conflict in my mind. Luffy is not being a good shonen protagonist and I don't really care about him, the others are not really being pirates and therefore I can't really consider this really a pirate show.

the result is that I hate it for both not being good shonen or good pirate show, because in my opinion, they are two flavors that taste great APART. one is fully of grittiness and amorality, full of complete bastards and such, the other is pure good and evil and heroes doing heroic things.

they don't go together, and trying to have it both ways and putting this unflinchingly light-hearted silly spin on top of it only makes me watch how these three complete disparate, separate elements interact and end up only causing stupidity and broken logic that honestly makes me wonder how anyone could like this, when its so clearly three mechanisms that are trying to be jammed together and just not working right, when this show would be much better if they kick out any one of the three.

the three elements:
1. pirate theme.
2. shonen
3. lighthearted silliness.

if they kicked out the pirate theme, they could focus entirely on light-hearted silly antics and strange combat, without needing the pirate theme to hold it back. just go full bizarre and revel in it while defeating evil, which is what seems to want to do anyways.

if they kicked out the shonen element of good and evil and working to accomplish ones dreams, then it would be a full blown pirate comedy, morality and such would never have to enter it into it and we could just have Luffy eternally doing silly adventures without needing any overarching goal to it that implies a level of seriousness, again, something that it seems to want anyways despite the King of the Pirates thing.

of they kicked out the light-hearted silliness, then they could focus entirely on the combat, the grittiness, the darkness and the struggle for people to remain moral and obtain your ambitions a world where the government is full of corrupt or oppressive jerks, where the guys who aren't with them are greedy egomaniac pirates who are arguably far worse, and most of what you know is a single island in the midst of an endless blue sea surrounded by giant predator leviathans, that could be destroyed by some great storm at any time or raided by battle-hardened warriors with cannons and swords with little hope of help from distant Marines, and where the most powerful people of the pirates and Marines are capable of destroying ships or even fleets with only their skill at fighting.

instead you have.....this mess. these three pieces that don't quite fit together. that seems to be trying to fit them together and failing to me. to me, this anime is trying to be three things at once and not living up to any of them. its shonen and lighthearted elements make me suspect that they aren't really pirates, the pirate and shonen elements make me question why the light-heartedness is here, screwing up a good gritty story, the pirate and lighthearted elements make me question why this needs to be shonen. its a tug of war that only results in this screwed up nonsense that just doesn't work right.

thats why, because its three puzzles that don't fit together.

[GloatingSwine]

It seems to me you criticize the Strawhats for not acting like pirates but also criticize Luffy for the traits that make him a pirate and not a rebel or anything like that. It is very confusing. :smallconfused:


I think it's firmly established that Raziere isn't actually doing anything like consistent criticism, and it's really paying attention to the show, just complaining that the show isn't some other, more different show that he makes up as he goes along.


He's also basically wrong about the "pirate genre", because like it or not the pirate genre is lighthearted family comedy and heroic swashbuckling and always has been, One Piece just got there five years early.


But hey, why bother to criticise from a grounding in reality when you can just whinge about the show.

[ThePhantom]

Well, a bit of the reason why Crocus wouldn't join is in gaming terms, he's too high level and would overshadow the party. Its a tendacy that happens when you spend some time with Gold Rogar.

And funny enough Raziere is right, they all died. Its just one of them is now techical a member of the undead.

[Poison_Fish]

He's also basically wrong about the "pirate genre", because like it or not the pirate genre is lighthearted family comedy and heroic swashbuckling and always has been, One Piece just got there five years early

And on the Shonen Genre, considering the amount the show focuses on Nakama.

[Somewhere]

Shounen is not a genre; it is a demographic. That is, it is not a descriptor of content, but instead of target audience.
If we want to get into whether One Piece lives up to the themes it's 'supposed' to follow, keep in mind that Weekly Shounen Jump's motto is/three core principles are 'FRIENDSHIP! EFFORT! VICTORY!'.

[Lizard Lord]

Lots of pirates are the chaotic neutral you describe Luffy as being (Jack Sparrow being one of them. The fact that Captain Jack Sparrow is more cunning and scheming than Luffy is besides the point since that is a matter of style and not morality). Being a pirate doesn't need to mean being straight up evil any more than being a thief does.

However, since you didn't stop at episode 37 I take it as a sign that the show is growing on you. :smallbiggrin:

[Lord Raziere]

No, lizard lord I merely travel this voyage, writing down this as a journal of what will surely be my madness by the time this is over, like a man lost at sea and having only 600 apples to feed himself on a raft with no compass to guide him, so he slowly sails on, eating an apple a day and slowly going crazy from the isolation and hallucinating strange things that should never exist, with only a blank book to keep him company and a quill and ink to write it down. I'm only determined to continue, to see what madness this fully is. like that two-headed parrot over there. *moo* shut up! parrots don't moo!

[Lord of the Helms]

Don't worry Raziere this should make some sense later.

It really does, but out of fairness I have to tell Raziere: Later here means hundreds of episodes later. One Piece is at this point infamous for how far ahead its author plots and plans even tiny details. So I'll tell you this much: There is a very good reason why the cloaked guy saved Luffy, and Luffy not being harmed by the lightning will also be explained later on (although you may actually be able to work that part out yourself if you think about his powers).

[Lizard Lord]

No, lizard lord I merely travel this voyage, writing down this as a journal of what will surely be my madness by the time this is over, like a man lost at sea and having only 600 apples to feed himself on a raft with no compass to guide him, so he slowly sails on, eating an apple a day and slowly going crazy from the isolation and hallucinating strange things that should never exist, with only a blank book to keep him company and a quill and ink to write it down. I'm only determined to continue, to see what madness this fully is. like that two-headed parrot over there. *moo* shut up! parrots don't moo!

Really? Because you said you were going to stop watching, but someone convinced you to watch up to episode 37. I was under the impression that you planed to stop there, but you have kept going. Something simply must have changed your mind.

[Lord Raziere]

aaaarr, don't be comparing the likes of Jack Sparrow to Luffy, it only be convincing me yer already succumbed to ocean madness, aye.
light blue'd for pirate-speak, I really like Jack Sparrow, I really hate Luffy, deal with it.

and now to watch more episodes...


when did it start snowing? weren't they near the equator? did they really travel all the way north, or is this just Grand Line weather shenanigans? the planet has an improbability drive for a core at this rate...

see? Nami is wondering the same thing, how did it just start snowing?

ok, thats pretty good snow-sculpting but....how does one even get that good at snowmen when most of the world is an ocean? more water = more water being heated by the sun as its rays hit the ocean. more molecules rise into the air and such, so I'm pretty sure the One Piece world would be warmer than ours, which probably explains some of the chaotic weather around the Grand Line, as you basically have eternal hurricane-level winds blowing about, at least thats the impression I'm getting....

WAITER BOY! YOU RUINED GOOD ART! DARN IT! the fact that it was made by Usopp is only a side-detail, he is still unnatural but the art was something separate and beautiful, and it is unnatural he is able to make such beauty, because he is reaching beyond his station.

they have central heating in One Piece world? the more and more I hear of its technology, the more I suspect its a Naruto type deal where while the tech is primarily pirate themed and such, modern stuff pops up whenever its convenient or needed for the plot.

Nami should be captain. the real one is an idiot who thinks its a good idea to check out dolphins in the middle of the Grand Line.

wow, so this is what the grand line is like, things change by the minute, I don't think it would be physically possible for a real ship to sail that.

Good Nami! whack the slacker in the noggin! (no that wasn't piratey speak)

hm, the Log Pose needs to adapt and take time eh? so that means even at its most efficient, travel through the Grand Line will always take up a certain amount of time depending on what islands you go to, and will always involve exploring the islands before setting sail again.

oh quit it with your non-existent disease, you coward, you will go on that island and die pathetically like the wimp you are.

...a town.....happy.....to......see......pirates......i n......the......middle.....of.....the....most....c haotic......ocean......ever....*eye twitch*
*critical comprehension failure*
*roll for SAN*
*2*
aaaaaaagh! this doesn't not make any sense, it has the lovercraftian abstract geometry applied to culture and mindsets! its not understandable! isn't that right, Two-headed Polly?

Polly, they think they are heroes, what, I can't understand what speech they are using, it, just, doesn't match anything in this reality....Polly? what do you think of this, Polly?

no, no, no, how is a priest liking them, no, this is not comprehendible, no, Polly don't you see this, don't you see that they are not human? they are aliens, Polly, come to take our souls with their clockwork machines....why won't you answer me Polly?

what hospitality is this? no, they are applying this all wrong, hospitality applies not to the people who break hospitality, y'know, criminals like pirates, even Polly knows that, and he is a two-headed parrot!

ok, I think I'm starting to understand a shadow their forms....these aliens seem to think that only partying and having fun are important, and that all others things need not be addressed, they do not live real lives, only shadows of what they life should be on this planet. they forget the practicalities of life, Polly! they haven't studied humanity enough, and their holograms are seen through, right Polly, we both see through their lies, don't we Polly, yes....

it also explains their strange hills, it is clear to me that they are space ships, Polly, and landed in the grand line, then used their strange technological wonders to fashion what they believe to be homes, making crude cubes of things that passably resemble houses for those unobservant and idiotic.

good on you Nami, you like Polly, spurn the ways of alcohol, their way is corrupting yes.... hrmmm.....I dislike how she is willing to compromise that for money though....pirate-me what do you think?
yarr! she be a fine piratey lass! drink to yer hearts content and win ye yer gold, it be what any swarthy seadog would do!

hey now, me and Polly think that you should stop before the cook dies yes? right Polly? Polly?

Sanji.....how did you even...but thats a private endeavor.....aaah, your Sanji your probably just that good at wooing girls.....

aaaaaaaah! Polly did you see the man's scary face? they truly are aliens, come to steal our cattle and suck out our brains for information! kill them now before they perform strange experiments upon the Strawhats!

Nami, that was a nun, she was probably going to use that money for good reason!
"Nami! tharr be a nun! after ye take the prize money, steal her clothes and go around to the islands, impersonating a priest's likeness and take more money from the foolish man's charity! ahahahahar....

Yea Polly, I think that this one of those too good to be true things. Its a trap!
Yarr, there be no Polly, lad, stop speaking to nothin'
Shut up pirate me, only Polly understands, don't you Polly?

adventurers! they're not pirates! there is confirmation that they are adventurers from someone! See Polly? they are not pirates! not pirates at all!

the nun is even further proof that they're aliens, I mean "Mr. 8"? "Miss Wednesday"? a soft girls voice coming out of that big muscular person? these are clearly evidence of how bad their attempts at disguising themselves as human are! Me and Polly see through your lies yes....eat Waiter Boy and Usopp however, and I will forgive you your incoming alien invasion...

Zorro, just rescue Nami and Sanji and get out of here, leave Usopp and Luffy to their doom, they are the ones they want anyways...

they're not aliens at all! their bounty hunters, a town of them thats put on a great disguise! of course! sanity regained! there is no Polly! yaaay, the Strawhats are going to get captured at this rate! such a smart tactic, putting themselves right in the Grand Line and catching any pirate that wanders in. I applaud you, and wish that you win.

good thing I'm sane now, next episode!
I still be here, yarr
Shut up, your not real.


Zorro can teleport?

Why is Baroque works reminding me more of the Wild West than pirates?
Yeehaw! everyone keeps ragging on those pirates vs ninjas shootouts, but the real conflicts 'round these here parts are cowboys vs. pirates buckaroo.
Shut up and come back when I get around to watching Trigun again. and work on your cowboy voice!

its the attack of the magical teleporting Zorro! fear how he appears....then disappears...

Zorro, be honest, did you eat the Port-Port fruit this morning? or, any time while you were partying?

Nami saw through that? or does she just have very good ears? and while I like Zorro using guerilla tactics, I'm still curious as to how he is teleporting...

what is she, female Donkey Kong? *imagines Zorro rescuing Nami from Miss Monday in a Donkey Kong arcade*

huh, why is it transitioning from Sanji to Usopp? Zorro was the focus... and is still the focus...

I agree with them, Zorro is the real Captain, Luffy is a ghost.

her mount is a duck.....well it kinda makes sense given that its a water world, so a horse wouldn't work because the water problem...

....THESE BOUNTY HUNTERS ARE USELESS!

lolwat. cannons in hair. how. what. what what hoooooooow.
*SAN roll failed again*

That makes no sense Polly, we knows it, don't we? yes...

I'm sure everyone has asked the same question at some point or other Zorro...

all bounty hunters defeated, Zorro only. badass.....eh....sort of. these Bounty Hunters were kind of weak. not really a challenge. more of a showcase of his two new swords than anything...

.....you find nothing odd about being outside....Polly, I can't understand this kind of stupidity, it just.....makes me wonder if he even bothers to think for more than two seconds....or if he forms thoughts in his head at all...

oh god, I hate Valentine already. its something about people who smile all the time that just creeps me out, people who laugh all the time, especially the way she laughs makes me hate them instantly. why can't they just be normal and have neutral faces and emotions?

and....Alabasta? hrm, I've seen Alabasta bandied about in passing and that its the final arc in the Alabasta saga in my search to find out where the filler was so I can avoid it, so I unfortunately I know where this Saga is going: to this Alabasta, wherever it is, apparently its important....yes Polly, it is...

and the leader is the princess or something of Alabasta? hrm, that is curious...

[ThePhantom]

Ah yes, the start of the Alabasta arc, the first big arc of the story.Hello princess Vivi, nice to see you.

Oh yes, that reminds me of something that supports Luffy as CN in alignment. Luffy likes to leave his foes alive, because he focuses on the goal of wrecking their dream instead. Through in the world of One Piece, that's actually harder than just killing someone.

[Lord Raziere]

ok 1: thats chaotic evil. I don't care, wrecking other peoples dreams because your angry at them is a spiteful ebon dragon move. 2. lizard, I care about NAMI and maybe Sanji, with a remote possibility of Zorro, badass notwithstanding. maybe Buggy but he is evil. and I doubt I'll see Captain Pace enough for him to really be important.

and Nami only because she had the best backstory of them all, a backstory that actually allows me to care and understand what pain she is going through, with Sanji as a second because while his was in many ways just as painful, it just wasn't that well done compared to Nami's. Luffy's a stupid brat who never stopped being one, who had another man lose an arm over him, Usopp is a lying boy-cries-wolf pinocchio whose father is a drunkard who left him to plunder and drink, that Usopp in his childish delusions, convinced himself that was somehow the ideal way of life, a STUNNING example of how bad parenting screws up a child, and Zorro? I've seen like nil of his backstory so far, something about a girl and her dying and a promise he made to her? I dunno.

I mainly watch for the Nami, almost everyone else is potentially dead for all I care, especially Usopp and Luffy, the two people who probably have the least reason to be do anything involving pirates.

[ThePhantom]

Frankly, some of these people's dreams need to be wrecked. Arlong's dream for example, would have resulted in Nami never being free. And that's just the beginning in a number of dreams that would be very bad for the world if they came to past. However, to go more into those would be spoilers.

Anyways, it sounds like you'll like the crew members yet to join. Some of their backstories are as good or better than Nami's.

[Arcran]

>Wishes Valentine had a more neutral expression
>Makes fun of Luffy's "blank face"

Might be my turn for a sanity check.

[Lizard Lord]

Ah yes, the start of the Alabasta arc, the first big arc of the story.Hello princess Vivi, nice to see you.

Oh yes, that reminds me of something that supports Luffy as CN in alignment. Luffy likes to leave his foes alive, because he focuses on the goal of wrecking their dream instead. Through in the world of One Piece, that's actually harder than just killing someone.
Luffy is very Id. He does what he wants because, to him, that is what pirates do. As well as it fulfills his promise to his adopted brothers to be as free as possible.


I actually always figured that Luffy doesn't really try to kill his enemies and wreck their dreams, but he doesn't try not to either. More often than not beating up the person that pissed him off is enough for him. Not killing them is the result of the fact that he doesn't use weapons and/or the fact that people in One Piece are very hard to kill. Wrecking their dreams is, more often than not, just the natural result of him defeating them.

It's not like Luffy has ever stomped on the key to the bad guy achieving their dreams right after defeating them. (Even with destroying Arlong Park it was during the fight and only because Luffy realized Nami had bad memories attached to the place.) A fight post-timeskip supports this. Rather than kidnapping Caeser Clown as planned (which would do more to crush Caesar's dreams) Luffy sends him flying because Caesar pushed several of Luffy's berserk buttons.

[Hiro Protagonest]

It's Id, not ID.

But yeah, Luffy gets more backstory later.

[Lord Raziere]

>Wishes Valentine had a more neutral expression
>Makes fun of Luffy's "blank face"

Might be my turn for a sanity check.

Zorro has a neutral expression.

Luffy has a blankface. :smalleek:

[LaZodiac]

Yeah, I can see what you mean about the blank face, but I think he's just because he's kind of dumb, is all.

Also, Luffy does NOT crush people's dreams :smallannoyed:

He'll defeat them, ruin their plans, destroy everything they've built up over the years, but will not destroy their dreams. They are still alive and thus can start over again.

[Lord Raziere]

okay okay, he doesn't crush peoples dreams and he is not chaotic evil.

he does however demonstrate that my teenage delusions of chaotic neutral is something I would be disgusted by and that I'm actually Chaotic Good by own reasoning. because not thinking through the consequences of your actions is stupid. in short, he ruined chaotic neutral for me.

and just for future reference: the reason I criticize two different opposite extremes, is because I like balance. going too far to one extreme or another is equally noticeable and hated to me. is it too unreasonable to find both people with far too much emotion just as grating as the people with too little? I think not.

[LaZodiac]

okay okay, he doesn't crush peoples dreams and he is not chaotic evil.

he does however demonstrate that my teenage delusions of chaotic neutral is something I would be disgusted by and that I'm actually Chaotic Good by own reasoning. because not thinking through the consequences of your actions is stupid. in short, he ruined chaotic neutral for me.

and just for future reference: the reason I criticize two different opposite extremes, is because I like balance. going too far to one extreme or another is equally noticeable and hated to me. is it too unreasonable to find both people with far too much emotion just as grating as the people with too little? I think not.

I completely understand the balance thing.

The dream crush comment was not meant for you, actually. You understand Luffy quite well :smalltongue:

[VanBuren]

well here is the thing:

if it was a good PIRATE show, they would have no moral compunctions about any of this and actually be doing piratey things.

This wasn't even always true of actual pirates. Blackbeard, for instance, built his whole image so that people would surrender out of fear just so that he could avoid having to kill them.

Actually, it gets even more complicated. Basically, One Piece is about as accurate to pirates as everything Hollywood ever told you. Which, to be fair, is not very accurate.

[Lord Raziere]

uh yes? most Media isn't accurate about anything it depicts, this is known. this stops no nerd from complaining about accuracy. it still breaks my sense of verisimilitude if not my sense of realism or believability, I mean I already accept the existence of supernatural powers coming from fruit, I just can't accept pirates as anything believably good or whatnot, because the profession seems to be inherently parasitic to innocent people, and the more you stretch the definition, the more I wonder if pirate was ever a specific thing to be, or just a label made up and applied to various groups and people.

[Lizard Lord]

uh yes? most Media isn't accurate about anything it depicts, this is known. this stops no nerd from complaining about accuracy. it still breaks my sense of verisimilitude if not my sense of realism or believability, I mean I already accept the existence of supernatural powers coming from fruit, I just can't accept pirates as anything believably good or whatnot, because the profession seems to be inherently parasitic to innocent people, and the more you stretch the definition, the more I wonder if pirate was ever a specific thing to be, or just a label made up and applied to various groups and people.

As was mentioned before (though it may have been on the main One Piece thread) the pirate theme is more about the romanticism of it. Hence why the first episode (or at least the first manga chapter, can't remember if the anime did it differently) is called "Romance Dawn".

Edit On the alignment thing: What about Captain Jack Sparrow? You said you liked him and he is most definitely chaotic neutral (which was my only point in "comparing" him to Luffy since it is otherwise apples and oranges.)

[Metahuman1]

okay okay, he doesn't crush peoples dreams and he is not chaotic evil.

he does however demonstrate that my teenage delusions of chaotic neutral is something I would be disgusted by and that I'm actually Chaotic Good by own reasoning. because not thinking through the consequences of your actions is stupid. in short, he ruined chaotic neutral for me.



This overlooks one critical detail.

Luffy is what happens, when you take Chaotic Neutral, and put it on a character, and give them an average to half decent Charisma, Min-Maxed to the theoretical limit Physical stats, and Tank Intelligence and Wisdom.


Which is totally different form what would happen if you had the same or very close to the same set up, save for leaving Intelligence and Wisdom in the average to half decent range.

Which is different still and infinitely far removed from the first if you did something similar, save juiced up Intelligence and Wisdom till they were rather high/maxed out.

A Chaotic Neutral Character with noticeably higher Intelligence and Wisdom would likely be less off putting too you buy far then Luffy has been so far.

[Lord Raziere]

hm, guess I dislike Luffy because of his very low wis/int scores then, and I like Sparrow because he is very intelligent, or at least clever in ways.

guess I just don't like stupid characters. just can't understand how they could be unable to process all that I can, probably because I consider all that I notice as normal. if some guy notices little details without any problem, he will think its normal to notice them.

even knowing that however, Luffy is still kind of grating. like how even though I know little children and their loud squealing is not intended to drive me crazy, but it still does because its annoying and loud and disruptive to my thought processes. I might be able to keep my hatred of it to myself and look normal, but it is still there.....wishing that they would be silent...

that? and he is a creepy childish predator with blankface that makes him look like he is hunting you and a grin that makes him look like he is baring his fangs like a wolf. I wonder if he is journeying to be king of pirates, just to let everyone know that he is the alpha male of the world....:smalleek:

[turbo164]

Raz, don't open this for a few dozen episodes lol:

Those "predator" comments are going to be hilarious after the Chopper = "Emergency food supply" bits :P

[Tectonic Robot]

Well, there have been arguments that Luffy isn't stupid so much as monumentally lazy and quick to let others do the thinking for him...

[Metahuman1]

hm, guess I dislike Luffy because of his very low wis/int scores then, and I like Sparrow because he is very intelligent, or at least clever in ways.

Sparrow has a moderate to high Int and Wisdom, and a through the roof Cha score. So yeah, I can see that.

[AtlanteanTroll]

well here is the thing:

if it was a good PIRATE show, they would have no moral compunctions about any of this and actually be doing piratey things.
And yet you enjoy Naruto...

[Lord Raziere]

Enough jawing, the review poorly written reactions of an unlikeable jerk must go on!

by the way, did I ever tell you the definition, of insanity?


oooooh, so Vivi is actually miss Wednesday? I thought that Vivi was the boss, when she is actually the target of the boss...

but why would a pirate hunting organization be after a princess? it doesn't make sense, oh right, she knows some secret....

So Mr. 8 and 9 are the good guys? huh

I'm conflicted, on one hand, Nami is in true pirate form, on the other hand, what the hell Nami? screw it...
Good on ye lass, way to hornswoggle thar doubloons right from under their noses, ye be on yer way to getting all the treasure in the four Blues! yaaaarrr....
Nami! shouldn't you stop stealing, and I thought you were kinder than this....

oho, looks like from that look, Nami might care after all...

make any part of my body explode!? now thats a devil fruit that I would like. hey, I wonder what happens if you eat two devil fruits....

Waiter Boy sigh, your a moron. and at the worst possible time. is there any wonder I wish he did not exist?

Luffy your trying to KILL YOUR FIRST MATE. kay. NOW your evil. your not allowing him to explain his side of the issue and you did not investigate fully enough to know why Zorro cut them down.

GOOD ZORRO! KICK YOUR CAPTAIN MORE! YAAAAAYY!!

aaaaaand even when told the truth, you are an idiot, Waiter Boy, a stubborn, stupid idiot, you are now actively HINDERING progress here. your much worse than Usopp right now y'know that? Usopp is merely useless, an eternal zero, you are now being negative seven or something.

heh, Zorro just casually dodges the human weight. Zorro, you are now rapidly climbing up in my favor! your sanity, badassery and calmheadedness has now put
at Sanji levels of favor, keep this up and you might equal Nami!

wow, now Waiter Boy really does look like a monkey when he stands like that....hrm...

YAY! Zorro is going to kill Luffy! this is a happy day!



YAY! Nami punched Luffy! nooo! Nami punched Zorro! how could you do that, Nami? :smallfrown:

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....she just accidentally said it out loud! too much drama! yessir, Drama Blurting Syndrome, a state wherein one becomes too caught up in a dramatic moment, blurts out something they should not. also common in superhero villains.

you tell em Nami! this is not sane! your all going to die now! at least Luffy is going to be dead! Nami, you might have to find whatever passes for mind erasure tech in this world. and what IS with the buzzard and the otter?

......your all crazy, all of you except Nami and Vivi are crazy. Igaram? crazy, Zorro? crazy. Luffy is ESPECIALLY crazy.

Igaram, you are the worst disguiser in the world. this wouldn't fool a blind man! because even your voice doesn't work! where is the logic center in your brain? it needs to be replaced.

SUDDENLY: AN EXPLOSION!

aaaww, Nami does care! this is why she is best character in my book!

Vivi has her own transition!? whoa, she is even more important than ever!

good! break Usopp's nose, that overgrown thing needs a trim!

its a cowgirl! I knew Baroque Works was invoking cowboys somehow! and her codename is Miss All Sunday! I'm really starting to get confused at the naming convention, guys get numbers, gals get days, how does that work for the rank-and-file women? there are only seven days of the week, and probably a lot more women than that....:smallconfused:

hey, since when did Sanji wield guns? isn't he supposed be Mr. Kickboxer, never-fight-with-my-hands, only create with my hands kind of guy?

she seems to be telekinetic as her devil fruit power, hm....

Nami! keep hitting him! he is never going to get a clue! just throw him overboard now or something, get the weight off your neck and save yourself and the world the trouble! there is no way you'll get through that thick skull of his, it will never work, he is untameable, just get rid of him now, its easier!

HA! the universe and Zorro agrees with me that its useless to try and understand how Luffy thinks. we are all in full agreement that he is an idiot, now if I can just will things so that Luffy somehow permanently dies early....

.....Little Garden eh? they named that ironically, didn't they?


.....Waiter Boy, you truly prove that stupidity has no limit....:smallsigh:

Vivi, he IS terrifying, its just that he keeps it hidden until he doesn't feel like hiding it anymore.

.....this is a filler episode of Coby, isn't it? don't really care for Mr. Wimp-Marine and his life, skip to the end!

***

So Axe-hand Morgan escapes, Coby and whats-his-name don't even get punished for helping him, and now they are pursuing Luffy. I'm.....not even surprised honestly. this kind of stupidity is kind of on par for One Piece, and this fillers ending has assured me that all I missed was more incompetent marines doing incompetent things. I have safely saved myself about say..... 16 minutes of my life! a great success!



and we open with Usopp fantasizing about girls. kind of indicative of the overall quality of....everything pretty much. you'll never be Sanji, Usopp, so don't try.

Waiter Boy, do you wreck EVERYTHING that you come in contact with? I'm beginning to think you ate the Wreck Wreck Fruit instead of the Gum Gum....

Nami, you should never have asked Luffy for any favors in the first place! it should be obvious that he is incapable of doing anything right! especially leading.

Luffy, you have made Usopp look so much better than you, its not funny anymore! you have officially made Usopp complain about how you have no sense of responsibility, in full agreement with me! he now, sounds intelligent! this is so unnatural, I don't even care! your hopeless, Waiter Boy! hopeless! I may even have to consider revising my view of the universe so that Usopp ISN'T an unnatural abomination against the good and right order of all things, and put YOU in his place! and thats a pretty serious revision that I am considering here! your on the verge of that, and if you don't shape up quick...your going to be more hated than ever, not that thats saying much.

the Coby stuff wasn't filler? hrm. don't know how I feel about that...

Helmeppo speaks sense, come back when you can reasonably take all this on, y'know? and not kill yourself from overexertion.

Coby, don't listen to the crazy child pirate, it only leads to suicidal actions. the only reason Luffy is still alive, is because he is an unnatural abomination against all things, not because he follows his dreams.

why did Vivi's transition theme change?

still not quite seeing what all this has to do with Luffy and such...

Helmeppo, you didn't get any respect from me, and this isn't earning you any. why are you even still here? why does this anime insist upon focusing on early enemies still going around doing things? really, why are you here? why are we focusing on Coby? why are two swabbies important in any way whatsoever? how is this moving the plot along? why should I care about any of this? what is the point? do I HAVE to watch through your pointless drabbering? do I really? all these sorts of questions are many and probably will never be answered, because One Piece: Where sense goes to die!

the infection. it is spreading. subject zero is now infecting the marines. please marines, please catch and contain the Strawhat disease before it goes epidemic!

no, its all about whether you CAN. achievement is done by figuring out what you CAN reasonably achieve, and how you CAN advance yourself in reasonable steps until the thing you WANT, becomes a thing you CAN achieve, got it? not be forcing things needlessly.

HAH! see what I tell you, Coby, your screwed now. I knew your friendship with the rubber beast would be your downfall, hahahaha.....

good luck Garp, they're not going to get stronger any time soon....



Yes! finally! on with the main plot! meaning on with the main stupidity!

heh, never take the Grand Line lightly.
STRAWHATS: We are taking it as light possible! with drinks!

Vivi is kind of right....you do kind have to be alert on the high seas....I'm more concerned about how the drinks seem to be regenerating or replenishing themselves though, is that a special Sanji technique? because that might be why he calls it his "Special" drink, because they never truly end....

SUDDENLY: GIANT DOLPHIN!

...

YOU HAVE A THREE ON YOUR HEAD, MADE OUT OF YOUR HAIR, THAT YOU PROBABLY STYLED YOURSELF. HOW DO YOU POSSIBLY EXPECT THAT TO REMAIN SECRET. HOW...OH RIGHT, LUFFY EXISTS, WHO IS STUPIDER THAN ANYTHING IN EXISTENCE, THEREFORE ANYTHING YOU THINK, NO MATTER HOW STUPID, IS SMARTER THAN HIM!

I get it now, because Luffy is already the point where stupidity reaches infinity, all other stupidity is made possible! we are already shown rock bottom, and therefore all other things are higher than that bottom, which is the protagonist.
therefore, because Luffy is a stupidity singularity, all other stupidity is intelligence by comparison. either that, or not your stupid at all, but dangerously insane since you clearly don't notice the three on your head, Mr. 3. at this point, everyone is either stupid or insane, so whats the difference, really?

maybe Mr 3 is insane AND stupid, stupid enough to put a giant three hairstyle on his head, insane enough to believe he is an intelligent person.

yea, definitely named ironically. whatever explorer got to this place had a strange sense of humor, and yes Nami, this is not normal at all....

oh no, he has a new smile. throw Luffy overboard now! that smile is dangerous! it heralds a new dawn of chaos and despair for the woooorld......

VIVI! NO! your going insane too! noooooo...... the new smile spreads an extra contagious strawhat virus! AAAAAAAAHH!!!

oh no, Zorro is going for a walk. we all know what happens when people like him go for walks, right Integra?

ugh, chain of stupidity....

wow. Sanji. you have a spot check on par with Belkar there.....

looks like its a prehistoric island....

huh, thats what they name it? A Prehistoric Island? thats the canonical term for this? there was dinosaur age for One Piece world? how would that even work? was One Piece world always this oceany, or did it get filled up? I question how plausibly this could happen....

heh, I like how Zorro thinks of his dino as a fellow three-swordsman, it really shows how he see swords in everything....

wait. HA! I get it. the triceratops with its three horns = Zorro, the t-rex with its big legs = Sanji, the dinosaur with the long neck = Luffy, because the dinos are all equivalent in some way to the people fighting them. thats actually kind of clever....

ah so thats why its been named. ah, it still has ironic value though.

[Lizard Lord]

For once I actually agree with you here. I hated the part where Luffy attacks Zoro. With other crewmates (such as Nami) Luffy believes them completely even when they themselves say he shouldn't, but he just instantly assumes Zoro is guilty and attacks without a second thought. This flies directly in the face of the devotion Luffy otherwise shows to have for his nakama.


And so, just like when Naruto disguised himself as Sasuke to trick Sakura into kissing him, all I can do is shake my head, ignore it, and move on.:smallannoyed:

You might disagree, but to me it really seems out of character for Luffy. (Though the thing with Naruto was sadly not out of character for him at the time, but that is another subject.)

[Lord Raziere]

And yet you enjoy Naruto...

oh you want to talk about Naruto do you? well, lets talk about Naruto then.

Naruto, doesn't make me wonder if the universe has gone insane every two minutes.

Naruto, has a protagonist, who while a bit on the foolish side, has demonstrated a certain amount of intelligence that makes him actually relatable to me.

Naruto, has self-consistent rules that I can understand and follow as they are presented to me.

Naruto, when a prick deals a fatal injury to his niece, and when the protagonist swears a blood oath to avenge her, trains for a month, and then goes through a bloody, edgy battle of wit, trickery and martial arts while debating philosophy over whether we are determined by fate or free will with said prick, and finally busts out a can of nine-tailed fox fury and beats that son of a prick and proves him wrong, and the prick soon reforms into a good ninja afterwards, I say: HELL FRIGGING YES. because you don't screw with Hinata like that.

Naruto, acknowledges the darkness of such a ninja world, even if the protagonist itself does not possess it, he still has to face it head on without any denying of its existence. without denying any of the pain or treating it like some happy-go-lucky adventure.

Naruto, even when Sasuke shoots one of his most valuable allies with lightning for no reason and that same ally comes back and still falls in love with him no matter how illogical it is, is nothing compared to the stupidity I see every single episode in One Piece.

Naruto, has actual pain, suffering, challenge and risky choices and battles, battles which make me sit on the edge of my seat, hoping that things will turn out for the better, has actual loss and prices paid when the chips are down.

Naruto, when Hinata stands up to a man who nuked a village and proclaimed himself a god, to defend the protagonist whom she loves more than anyone, and only gets pain for it, I say: HELL FRIGGING YES.

Naruto, when the turnabout in battle comes, its not just through any mindless spirit or hope, but through smart, clever tactics that no one expected or thought up!

Naruto, that creates well thought out characters that I actually care about!

Naruto, where even the laziest person is a hero that has taken down a ninja that was not only on Kage levels of power, but was immortal in more than just the ageless sense of the term! with only smarts, a couple of jutsu he has always used and normal ninja tools! HELL FRIGGING YES!

Naruto, where I actually feel people are in danger!

Naruto, where I feel that what they are fighting about actually matters!

Naruto, where the former prick takes on a spider guy, and when his normal spinning top defense doesn't work, he just begins going "2 palms, 4 palms, 8 palms, 16 palms, 32 palms, 64 palms..." and when that wasn't enough, he gritted his teeth and gone "128 PALMS!" to defend himself against those attacks! HELL YEAH!

Naruto, where I actually feel like the protagonist is fighting for something of true value, where the ninjas in general are fighting for something of true value, and the costs and hardships of fighting for it are shown!

I mean I used to snark a little at Naruto for a short time, but after watching One Piece!? hah! in comparison, I realize how much I love Naruto compared to the mess that is One Piece! I realize how much I value it, compared to One Piece.
I realize how there are so many redeeming features to Naruto that make the few stupid moments that do exist within it, worth it, compared to the endless parade of stupid and insanity that is One Piece. like Xykon drinking bad coffee, I remember all the good coffee I ever tasted because of it, by comparison!

Speak not to me of Naruto! for in comparison to One Piece, I find it quite awesome indeed.

[Lord of the Helms]

still not quite seeing what all this has to do with Luffy and such...

Helmeppo, you didn't get any respect from me, and this isn't earning you any. why are you even still here? why does this anime insist upon focusing on early enemies still going around doing things? really, why are you here? why are we focusing on Coby? why are two swabbies important in any way whatsoever? how is this moving the plot along? why should I care about any of this? what is the point? do I HAVE to watch through your pointless drabbering? do I really? all these sorts of questions are many and probably will never be answered, because One Piece: Where sense goes to die!


As previously mentioned, there is a reason they are showing scenes like this, as well as Buggy, and you will learn why later on. If someone gets an appearance in a side episode like this, you can be sure they will return eventually.

[LaZodiac]

For reference, Zoro is NOT Luffy's first mate. This is actually important. Luffy does not have a first mate, currently.

You'll learn it later, but the main girls are all holidays. All the rank and file girls are generic days of the week, differentiated by the number of man they are with.

The episode with Coby is not filler, it's one of the Cover Arcs. It's also vitally important. The reason why will be revealed later. Basically, think of it like this. Oda, the creator of One Piece, never creates a "useless character". Every character is important in some way.

Spoilers: "Not gonna get stronger anytime soon" haaahahaahahaaah.

Naruto has magical eyeballs that make you go emo. It's canon that the Sharingan is created by the Uchiha brain releasing special chakra that forces them to become emo and evil.

[Arcran]

Luffy never reaches the level of stupidity shown by Naruto. If we're going for cleverness in a fight, Luffy's inumerable applications for a frankly weak Devil Fruit is a much better application then making hundreds of clones and all of them dying.

And self consistent rules? Naruto changes Jutsu rules all the time. It started with fairly mundane applications and now it's turned into "Naruto: The Last Airbender." The attempt to explain how Jutsu works made it worse, since by those definitions Shadow and Medical shouldn't exist. At least in One Piece it's established that Devil Fruits have very broad powers and it doesn't debase itself to badly explaining how they work.

Characters also stay important in One Piece. How many characters from the first part of Naruto are more than set pieces? Oda is famous for usibg characters in the long game. Seemingly useless characters have shown up hundreds of chapters later. Even true side characters, such as Kaya, are shown as the crew gains notierity and we're reminded where our characters started.

Just wait until Water 7. After seeing what Luffy would do to save one of his own. Compare that to the mopey crap about trying to save Sasuke. I can promise that One Piece comes out on top.

Starting with this arc, One Piece will also tend to have great villains. Even the bad ones are better than Pain or Madera. Villains tend to have actual plans, not "kill everybody." One Piece also doesn't let Luffy learn years of training in a few days, which basically was a cheap plot device.

If by the end of Alabasta you don't like One Piece, quit. It still stands as one of the best arcs to this day, and there have been damn good ones since then.

[Metahuman1]

Luffy never reaches the level of stupidity shown by Naruto. If we're going for cleverness in a fight, Luffy's inumerable applications for a frankly weak Devil Fruit is a much better application then making hundreds of clones and all of them dying.

And self consistent rules? Naruto changes Jutsu rules all the time. It started with fairly mundane applications and now it's turned into "Naruto: The Last Airbender." The attempt to explain how Jutsu works made it worse, since by those definitions Shadow and Medical shouldn't exist. At least in One Piece it's established that Devil Fruits have very broad powers and it doesn't debase itself to badly explaining how they work.

Characters also stay important in One Piece. How many characters from the first part of Naruto are more than set pieces? Oda is famous for usibg characters in the long game. Seemingly useless characters have shown up hundreds of chapters later. Even true side characters, such as Kaya, are shown as the crew gains notierity and we're reminded where our characters started.

Just wait until Water 7. After seeing what Luffy would do to save one of his own. Compare that to the mopey crap about trying to save Sasuke. I can promise that One Piece comes out on top.

Starting with this arc, One Piece will also tend to have great villains. Even the bad ones are better than Pain or Madera. Villains tend to have actual plans, not "kill everybody." One Piece also doesn't let Luffy learn years of training in a few days, which basically was a cheap plot device.

If by the end of Alabasta you don't like One Piece, quit. It still stands as one of the best arcs to this day, and there have been damn good ones since then.

I dunno about that being a good quit point. Personally, I'd wait longer then that.

Quit if after Luffy's had to stage the massive prison break and have a serious pitched battle with the Navy/Marines to rescue a crew member and Nami's gotten that weather manipulation object that renders her genuinely relevant in combat your still not feeling it.

Nami seems to be your favorite character, so if you still can't like the show after her getting a serious upgrade that at least leaves her playing a combat game that might not be comparable to Luffy, Zoro and Sanji, it clearly leaves her head and shoulders above most of the mooks or minor villains and character's lik Usop (or however his name is spelled.), which makes her genuinely relevant in direct combat.

And after you've Scene a bit more of how the government and the Navy/Marines, AKA, there enforcers, operate, and how that works with the Pirates in general and the straw hats in particular, especially when there clashing/at odds.

If at that point your not digging the show, your probably just not gonna dig the show and it should be left be. Me, I hated this series for a long time, I disliked many of the same things your disliking. And the a friend managed to convince me to give it a look over on the condition I would be warned when the filler's began and ended and given a recap just in case they did something worth watching, which I think there's been one of so far since I very, very rarely approve of fillers, and got me to watch the uncut dub, the one that was NOT the 4Kids Dub. And, while I'm not a rabid fanboy, it is slowly growing on me.

Part of that might be that Bleach is shrinking on me significantly of late when at the time I was really into it, and the same can be said at a decelerated pace of Naruto. Course, of the 5 heavy hitters still running for Shonen Series, I think the one I'm enjoying the most right now is Fairy Tail.

[Somewhere]

You don't seem to be quite caught up on Naruto, as the last couple of years would just wreck or erode away your perception of the series. But more details can be asked about in the Naruto thread.

Oda's writing holds up to this day.

[Lizard Lord]

stuff

One Piece has some of those elements latter on. I promise you.

Edit: Also I feel I should point out that part of the point in One Piece is that the characters are horribly flawed and that they need to rely on their nakama to work around their flaws. That was the point to Luffy's speech to Arlong, but the general principle doesn't just apply to him.

[Lord Raziere]

You don't seem to be quite caught up on Naruto, as the last couple of years would just wreck or erode away your perception of the series. But more details can be asked about in the Naruto thread.

Oda's writing holds up to this day.

you mean Hashirama and Madara once being pals and wishing to stop a cycle of violence and Sasuke deciding to suddenly try to become Hokage after they defeat
the real Madara?

knew about all of that already, when I made that speech.

[Xondoure]

I think Naruto was given as an example of just how "ninja" shonen ninja are. Since part of your problem with One Piece is that they are not pirate enough. It's odd because one piece pirates are far more piratey than Naruto ninja are shinobi.

Of the big 3 (One Piece, Bleach, Naruto) One Piece stands heads and shoulders above the other as far as I'm concerned. No it's mechanics are never quite explained to the same extent at the others, but it never contradicts its own rules. The character change and develop very naturally. This is mostly because Oda has been writing One Piece for such a long time it's one of the few works in media where there's enough content to show what looks like fairly realistic time wise character progression. And then there's things like his attention to detail which is just crazy impressive.

Unfortunately his work is still fairly sexist, but part of that is he's just really bad at creating unique female character designs. There's Nami A, Nami B, Nami C, etc. etc. :smalltongue:

[Lord Raziere]

I dunno, the shinobi seem far more ninja than One Piece is pirates to me.

@ LaZodiac: oh now your talking Homestuck. sorry, only have room for one series
made by a creator of intricate details and whatnot that everyone worships, and it has far better humor that fits my tastes better than One Piece, sure, technically came after, but I don't care.

@ arcran: hahahahahaha, that post is hilarious

1. Luffy, by existing surpasses any stupidity shown by Naruto. bar none.

2. sorry, I don't see where, and I don't want to see what mindset or perception led to you thinking that, because its all been self-consistent to me.

3. again, your talking HOMESTUCK there, I already have that, and Homestuck has two universes exploding at the same time, planets being destroyed and intricate time shenanigans so much that it becomes epic. One Piece makes far less sense than Homestuck and is far less epic. why should I care? particularly when many of these characters of One Piece were unlikeable in the first place? I like Homestuck far better than this, I can't really see how its above the others, when it seems to be far below them.

4. Luffy is an impudent child who has no idea how the world works and lacks any perception to get one. if he goes very far for a friend, I'm pretty sure its because he considers them a talking toy or something and doesn't want to stop playing with them like the immature brat he is.

5. I dunno about that.
Alvida: kill everyone who says I'm ugly!
Morgan: kill everyone who disobeys me!
Buggy: kill everyone because its funny!
Kuro: kill the girl so that I can live the quiet life that I already have, and if that doesn't work, kill everyone who doesn't follow my plans, who I was going to kill anyways!
Krieg: Kill them so that I can pull of a stupid plan that will probably only work once!
Arlong: kill everyone who doesn't pay taxes!
Captain Pace: kill all pirates!
Buggy again: Kill them all for revenge!
Crocodile: kill everyone who knows my secret!

and Madara's plan is to basically give everyone a happy illusionary world of no problems, Pains was to keep the world in line by force, and Orochimaru's was to learn all jutsu. not seeing where your getting all this from. and I'm not inclined to be believing you anyways.

I still don't see how One Piece, a series this stupid and silly could garner this kind of rapport. particularly when it seems to go out of its way to be this pointlessly long and arduous for no reason, heck, MLP: FiM? saw why it was good on the second episode. its been 70 episode into One Piece as of this writing, and I still don't why people like this nonsense over good anime.

did I ever tell you the definition, of insanity?


insanity is, doing the same thing, over and over again, and expecting things to change. That. Is. Crazy. The first time somebody told me that, I dunno, I thought they were kidding me. So, boom, I shot him. The thing is... he was right. And then I started seeing, everywhere I looked, everywhere I looked all these pricks, everywhere I looked, doing the exact same thing. Over, and over, and over, and over again thinking, "This time is gonna be different. No, no, no please... this time is gonna be different." I'm sorry, I don't like the way... (punches crate aside violently) ...you are LOOKING at me! Okay, do you have a problem in your head? Do you think I am kidding you, do you think I am lying? Frag you Luffy! Okay? FRAG. YOU. LUFFY. (beat) It's okay, man. I'm gonna chill, hermano. I'm gonna chill. The thing is... all right? The thing is I watched One Piece once already, and it's not like I am freaking crazy, I don't expect One Piece to change. It's okay. (beat) It's like water under the bridge. Did I ever tell you the definition of insanity?

see its things like "giant that beheads random dino" that makes me doubt I'm ever going to see this guy after Little Garden. I just can't see giants getting off this place, not just because of the fact they'd have to make a big boat to do so, but also the supply factors needed just to feed said giant for a day....

"How can you be so carefree?" Vivi, that is a question I ask about Luffy everyday, trust me. there is no answer. there is only an endless maw of insanity within those eyes.

Vivi, stop trying to reason with the bestial idiotic force of nature on top of the dinosaur. it won't get you anywhere.

Luffy: I'm surrounded by giant dinosaurs that want to kill me! this is exciting for some reason!

YAY! Luffy is eaten! the dinosaur gods have been appeased with the sacrifice! let us depart the island with their primal, ancient blessing of scale and fang! but wait on second though, maybe we should throw Usopp into one of those volcanoes, just to make sure the volcano gods are appeased as well. can't be too careful with volcano gods.

these giants are very stupid if they think Luffy is worth saving.

sigh, I don't like how everyone assumes the giants will eat them when clearly they won't. ugh. its just so....jumping to conclusions.

Usopp, I expect this kind of stupidity from you but Nami, really? have you been reading too many horror tales or something? UGH.

one year. that can't be it. we still have a saga to get though. the giant must be mistaken...

so the giants have been fighting this duel for a third of their life. wow. I wonder if that indicates their skill or their lack of it.

I'm beginning to think of Luffy like a dog. he sees something and its just cause for interest and curiosity and such. he gets into danger and he barks and bites. but then returns to being a happily panting mutt. thats how little attention span he has.

oh HONOR!? its about honor, well honor is worth as much as dirt. welcome to fighting a pointless battle for all eternity over something that was probably stupid to begin with, that you FORGOT, and prolonged by some stupid code that doesn't solve anything. nice going idiots.

*massages temples* there.....are.....not......only.........GIANT pirates........but....they.......actually......put .....bounties....on them........and.....they.....have.....ships.....th at......work....
aaaauuuuugh, why the heck not? this world runs on improbability drives and insanity anyways! lets add more to it! why not banana-headed men who use golf clubs as weapons, or plant people that dwell on clouds for no reason, or a group of elephant samurai trying to hunt pirates, or platypus themed pirates with a captain that wants to blow up something some nonsensical crystal by pouring lemonade on it! why not just throw out all logic? why do you need the pirate theme? just stop making sense entirely so I can stop wondering if your just being bizarre for bizarreness's sake or actually trying to tell a story! ugh.

did I ever tell you, the definition of insanity?



Nami, leave Usopp, if he wants to die, thats his choice, and we should all commend him for finally realizing his place in the universe.

I agree with Nami here, and no Usopp, whatever you say, this fight is STUPID. 100%, all your doing is rationalizing and deluding yourself.

AAAAAAAAAGGH, your stupidity Waiter boy, its becoming painful to listen to! AAAARRRGH!!!

that laugh is painful, Waiter Boy, that laugh is painful....

I agree with Vivi, nothing is funny about this. but whatever, knowing shonen, the protagonist is on mary sue levels of always being right about everything, because, we can't POSSIBLY have our protagonist be wrong about something and actually fail or anything....

so Usopp wants to live a life full of a useless code and a sin, par for the course for his uselessness of course. but hey, it'll probably involve him dying an early death anyways because of it, so why the heck not.

yay! the giants insanity got shot! hope they get caught, that eternal fighting was getting tiring.

yay, Waiter Boy is going to die! go giant! go giant!

BOOT. ON. FACE. squash him like the bug he is.

good thinking Mr. 3, end this farce once and for all.


I'm starting to notice that Luffy is always trapped or taken out early so that he doesn't interfere with how the plot needs to happen. Buggy? got imprisoned Kuro? loses his way, Arlong? doesn't care and after that, gets drowned, Loguetown? loses his way again, Whiskey Peak? falls asleep. this arc? gets trapped under a mountain. its almost as if this anime knows that whatever it has planned can't go forward if its actual protagonist whom this story is supposed to be about can do anything about it. Luffy is his own plot solving device that needs to be held back for anything interesting to happen. thats bad writing.

AAAAAAAAAAHHH!!! something sensible is coming out of Luffy's mouth! the apocalypse is coming! NOOOOOOOO!!!

Usopp, just accept that the fight is pointless already, its Nami she is the most sensible person in this series.

No, Usopp, your wrong, your not completely useless against dinosaurs. after all, you would make a great distraction and bait for them so that Nami can get back safely. if you would do so, your sacrifice would be remembered as making the entire world a better place with your absence.

yea, Usopp, your supposed to be sacrificing yourself for her, not the other way around! and look, a bunch of imposter-traps eh? a Mr. 3 plan?

Vivi, once again, you are reasonable. second voice of reason after Nami, so yeah, your at Nami levels of favor...

The giants battle is ending! yaaaaaaaayy!! thank you Mr. 3!

see? impudent child, banging his head against the wall, probably not out of justice or anything, because he is a child, he didn't get the result he wanted and can't accept that sometimes things must move on and end, one way or another.

if that was Usopp, that would be true, Mr. 3. unfortunately Luffy is not Usopp. however "pathetic child" does describe Luffy well instead.

hmm.....on one hand, I don't really care about the big duck, on the other hand, Mr. 5 and Miss Sunday are jerks and she has that eternal stupid smile on her face, on the other other hand, Vivi is in pain so this averages to my disapproval and my disliking of these two jerks.

and Usopp gets owned! thank you, jerks!

Candleman, Candleman,
Does whatever a candle can
Spins some wax, any size,
Catches pirates just like flies
Look Out!
Here comes the Candleman.

Is he strong?
Listen bud,
He's got flammable blood.
his head bursts into fire
Don't you attract his ire!
Hey, there
There goes the Candleman.

In the chill of night
At the scene of a crime
Like a streak of light
He arrives just in time.

Candleman, Candleman
Friendly neighborhood Candleman
Wealth and fame
He has sought
through action he has bought.

[Arcran]

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. You clearly don't like the show and are making no attempt to try to like it, so yes, by watching it and expecting it to get good when you clearly hate everything in it, you are in fact displaying insane symptoms.

And onto my post!



@ arcran: hahahahahaha, that post is hilarious

I'd avoid comments of that like if you want actual discussion in this thread.


1. Luffy, by existing surpasses any stupidity shown by Naruto. bar none.

From what I remember, Naruto has done next to nothing smart. Luffy has done a handful over the course of the series, so that basically means he wins by default. At this point, there wasn't much. He gets smarter as it goes on. Naruto just has everybody magically respect him.


2. sorry, I don't see where, and I don't want to see what mindset or perception led to you thinking that, because its all been self-consistent to me.

Jutsu's are clearly explained as being manipulation of the three main types or the various elements. What's not explained is where Shadow and Medical fit in. By trying to give a hackneyed explanation of how jutsu work, the series created its own inconsistencies as many jutsu used don't fit in the the categories explained. By explaining some and just saying that the rest work because they work, the series created an inconsistency within. Chakra itself is also wildly inconsistent, but that's another issue.


3. again, your talking HOMESTUCK there, I already have that, and Homestuck has two universes exploding at the same time, planets being destroyed and intricate time shenanigans so much that it becomes epic. One Piece makes far less sense than Homestuck and is far less epic. why should I care? particularly when many of these characters of One Piece were unlikeable in the first place? I like Homestuck far better than this, I can't really see how its above the others, when it seems to be far below them.

I don't know what Homestuck is, but deflecting my argument by saying I'm reffering to something else isn't a very discussion-conducive tool. You're also not even a full 10% into the series, so don't you think you're a little early to try to make that claim?


4. Luffy is an impudent child who has no idea how the world works and lacks any perception to get one. if he goes very far for a friend, I'm pretty sure its because he considers them a talking toy or something and doesn't want to stop playing with them like the immature brat he is.

You seem stuck on that, despite the instances where he clearly shows maturity. He acts like a child most of the time, true. But so did Naruto, and Goku, and half of the other shounen heroes. The best example is when he gives Nami his hat. You don't seem him making meat jokes or anything at that point. He knows this man hurt Nami, and it makes him angry. Not the uncontrollable rage you see sometimes, but a righteous anger. He acts like an adult at that point, even if his fight that follows includes him acting a little silly.

You seem to fundamentally misunderstand Luffy's character. He's stupid, he's reckless, but he cares about his nakama. He'd literally move mountains to keep any of his nakama safe, and doesn't consider any of them "talking toys."


5. I dunno about that.
Alvida: kill everyone who says I'm ugly!
Morgan: kill everyone who disobeys me!
Buggy: kill everyone because its funny!
Kuro: kill the girl so that I can live the quiet life that I already have, and if that doesn't work, kill everyone who doesn't follow my plans, who I was going to kill anyways!
Krieg: Kill them so that I can pull of a stupid plan that will probably only work once!
Arlong: kill everyone who doesn't pay taxes!
Captain Pace: kill all pirates!
Buggy again: Kill them all for revenge!
Crocodile: kill everyone who knows my secret!

You'd notice that I said upcoming villains. By that, the only one who counts is Crocodile, who you've seen a grand total of about two minutes of at this point.


and Madara's plan is to basically give everyone a happy illusionary world of no problems, Pains was to keep the world in line by force, and Orochimaru's was to learn all jutsu. not seeing where your getting all this from. and I'm not inclined to be believing you anyways.

Once again, late manga villains. You don't get huge elaborate plans at the start. One Piece villains completely trounce Naruto ones in character and depth. That also wasn't Madara's plan, his is just to kill everybody with big vines since he is the strongest ever. Pain is taking revenge on Leaf for some reason that doesn't even make sense and just killing (and nobody actually dying due to some prime Dues Ex). Orochimaru was interesting to start, but quickly plummeted in quality to be a bland, boring villain.

Frankly, you're just disregarding most of my post anyways, so I don't know why I bother.

[Lord Raziere]

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. You clearly don't like the show and are making no attempt to try to like it, so yes, by watching it and expecting it to get good when you clearly hate everything in it, you are in fact displaying insane symptoms.

you really don't get the reference of that, don't you? :smallamused:

[Forrestfire]

I'm sure he does, but his point still stands. :smallamused:

[Arcran]

you really don't get the reference of that, don't you? :smallamused:

Seeing as I used the actual quote, yes, I understand it. I just put it in more forum-friendly format.

I also added a reply to your somewhat derogatory post in my previous.

[AtlanteanTroll]

Yes, thank you Xondoure, that's exactly what I was getting at with my earlier comment.


you really don't get the reference of that, don't you? :smallamused:

I think he very well does, he just doesn't care to reference to it, as you're being foolish with your outlook.

People are going to have to disagree on the intelligences of Naruto and Luffy as characters, but there is no doubt in the mind of anyone who appreciates what would be deemed good writing by critics that One Piece is the far better written comic.

It also certainly makes sense, you just aren't picking up on the details that an actual fan of the series would be. Or maybe you are. A lot of things are still coming together. Although you probably won't get to that point before you quit. Like Arcran I also recommend you stop watching after Alabasta if it doesn't turn you, which--looking at your mindset in regards to the show--it won't.

Furthermore, Luffy gets how his world works. You seem to not be able to conceive the world of One Piece is not our own and functions in a vastly different way due to the social structure. In One Piece, people who do bad things on boats are pirates--and from the World Government's standpoint, which is the one that matters in doing such things--the Straw Hats are clearly pirates; just as in Naruto people who run around summoning things with chakra and throw farming tools at one another are considered ninja.

Also, while yes, some of the earlier villains do wish to kill certain people who think certain things, that is none of their main goals. (EDIT: Can't speak for the filler villains though.) You are either intentionally missing the point or are so daft you can't.

[ThePhantom]

Urgh, can we not compare One Piece with Naruto, please? That's asking for a head to head battle of fans of the series. Let's just try to stay calm about this.
Anyways, its an interesting comparision of Luffy with a dog. The way you framed it fits him fairly well.

[Lord Raziere]

I'm sure he does, but his point still stands. :smallamused:

well what am I supposed to expect, I have my own experiences of watching the show, which says it sucks and will always suck, or your hype which says it will someday get good if I stick around long enough.

that and if I recall, the Giant himself once said something about how you can't really judge a work until you read it all yes? what then would be the point of stopping just because I don't like it? if I simply stop a certain arc or whatever, well then, none of this would've really counted for anything now would it? it would be incomplete, that and maybe the show needs a viewpoint that isn't bedazzled by it, that isn't instantly liking it? I mean, I may find I don't like the people who criticize TTGL even though I consider it the greatest show ever, but I acknowledge that they still have a right to not like it.

this shows too hyped, perhaps some skepticism and viewing it from another direction is needed? I'll stop with the Naruto/One Piece comparisons kay.
but I still don't think One Piece is better written, it can't possibly be if I don't like it.

[Forum Explorer]

Luffy as a dog actually works pretty well. Goofy, adorable to it's owners, not nearly as cute to everyone else, loves only close people, absolutely obsessed with food, and lacking social cues/skills



Anyways I'm surprised you're still complaining about how weird the world is. It's just exactly that, incredibly weird. And it's not going away any time soon.

[Lizard Lord]

4. Luffy is an impudent child who has no idea how the world works and lacks any perception to get one. if he goes very far for a friend, I'm pretty sure its because he considers them a talking toy or something and doesn't want to stop playing with them like the immature brat he is.


Okay, now you have annoyed me. :smallannoyed:

I can see where you are coming from with everything else you said about Luffy. But the part where you imply he doesn't really care about his friends? Allow me to punctuate this for emphasis.

You. Are. Wrong.


If the fact that he gets pissed off when he sees other people their crew as disposable or just how mad he got when he saw just how much Arlong hurt Nami (who is the first and possibly only person Luffy entrusted his prized hat to) isn't enough proof for you then watch the Enies Lobby story arc, just to see how wrong you are about that.

Saying Luffy doesn't care about his friends is like saying Naruto easily gives up. :smallannoyed:
(Not trying to compare the two, I like both, just giving an example.)

[Lord Raziere]

perhaps the "D" in his name stands for "Dog". "Monkey Dog Luffy". the alternative is "Monkey Demon Luffy" which I am sure is more technically
accurate. maybe he would should've been named "Wolf Demon Luffy" that would've been the most accurate to him...

On with the show! I want to get past this Giant arc quickly and get on with more important stuff.


Yea, Mr. 5, kick the dog pirate until he is dead! maybe my new nickname for Luffy will be Doggy, easier to remember than Waiter Boy.

Mr. 3. you smartness is now gone. because you have told him that you assisted him. thus sabotaging yourself. more drama blurting syndrome...

what is that big candle set even supposed to DO?

yes, yes I do dare to insult him. what're you gonna do about it, wax giant?

ROARING RAMPAGE OF REVE-lolnope, explosions! epic fail, go back to sleep, giant....

Yea Zorro, even if you cut off your legs, you'll still die from blood loss, that and, how would you even walk?

everyone is mad. this world is mad.

Doggy, you missed.

See, they don't even take half-cutting off your legs seriously!


Yes, Nami, that is what is missing: common sense. we need more of that in this show.

"doesn't seem to be the most reliable man" Mr. 3. you don't know the HALF of it.

.....his friends are DYING and he is refusing to help. chaotic EVIL.

glad they aren't going to exposition the power and give Usopp the weakness...

oh he isn't evil, he just got illusion'd whelp, shows over for you, Doggy ain't gonna get out of that any time soon.

huh, many weird paints...

so our only hope is Usopp and Vivi's duck-billed chocobo? sigh... I bet you that the duck will be more useful...


wait, I just realized.......where is Sanji in all this? maybe there is actual hope after all!

heh, Sanji kicked a tiger to get a ride.

....ok.....I'll be fair to Usopp.....considering how little time and materials he had, thats a good plan to come up with to turn things around...

what I can't believe is that your alive thanks to Usopp maybe I should give all the credit to Carue instead, just to make sure the universal balance is restored.

Zorro did....did you just kill a man while on fire? awesome.

Carue, I disapprove of you attacking Miss All-Sunday for some reason. :smallyuk:

aaaaawww, Sanji didn't do anything? hrm. thats how many arcs since Sanji has done anything important, aside from picking up a call from Mr. Zero? 3?



"instinct"? uugh. I don't think I'll be able to accept THAT....

siigh....Sanji gets a fight at least, even if its against an otter and buzzard...:smallannoyed:

:smalleek: did you just break that birds neck with your feet? ok, I'm scared of you now Sanji. your now awesome as Nami, please don't kill me.

heh, I like how Sanji addresses them as "Nami! Vivi! the rest of you jerks!"

wait....you mean this duel might've started over a hunting dispute!? aaaarrrgh...

oh look! a giant magikarp!

....you mean Usopp's tale about a giant goldfish is TRUE!? just.....:smallmad::smallsigh: :smallmad: :smallyuk: :smallfurious: :smallyuk: :smallmad::smallsigh::smallfurious:

just....there are no words....

[Forrestfire]

aaaaawww, Sanji didn't do anything? hrm. thats how many arcs since Sanji has done anything important, aside from picking up a call from Mr. Zero? 3?

....you mean Usopp's tale about a giant goldfish is TRUE!? just.....:smallmad::smallsigh: :smallmad: :smallyuk: :smallfurious: :smallyuk: :smallmad::smallsigh::smallfurious:

:smallamused:

Prime examples of how everything gets called back to later.

[ThePhantom]

Yeah, the giants are a bit on the less smart side. As for Sanji, those actions have removed them from Baroque Works target list, because they think that the Straw Hats are dead, so that's good.

Well, time for the next arc in this larger chapter of the saga of One Piece.

[Moak]

4. Luffy is an impudent child who has no idea how the world works and lacks any perception to get one. if he goes very far for a friend, I'm pretty sure its because he considers them a talking toy or something and doesn't want to stop playing with them like the immature brat he is.


Seeing where you are in the story, I can see this. Seriously. But... that's not all. He sees how the world MUST work because he says so. And he would do everything he can do to change the world like this.

The part on his friends is blatantly false. Expecialy seeing what he have done for Nami in the istant she asked for help. He is a strange fella, but I've seen a lot of people like this: respect the way, the space and the pace of your friends, even when you think is moronic, until they decide that they need help.

He is a fool? Yes. And...

This will be recognized by the show, as time pass by. He will have to pay the price. And when this happen, OP in my views skyrocketed in my valuation so hard that I can't compare it to the other "big shonen". And I was a very quiet fan.


I find very strange that someone can't be interested in Luffy the Predator. He is... fool. Difficult. Secluded and doesn't accept the word as it works. To him, everyone have to be free to do as he wants, bar the fact that he must be ready to pay the price for his action. That's why he waited to help Nami. That's why to him destroing Arlong was the right thing to do. That's why he go and try to take with him who he consider a good fella. He try to take, insist. And if he has to be kicked in the face for is trial, is his own fault and is ready to pay.

The only driving forces of his life, looking to where you are in the story are:
- My dream: I will conquer the One Piece and became Pirate King
- My nakama: if someone touch'em, I will destroy him. Full stop. (after all, I am a blankface predator ;) )

Simple, effective, streamlined.

[Lord Raziere]

I'm on a roll today... time for the next arc, lets get going...


Nami is sick and all you guys can do is panic like children! geh. can't even handle the measliest of things without freaking out about it...

see? even Nami knows that Doggy can't make the most basic of deductions even when given the most obvious of information...

good head on you, Vivi, get Nami cured, no navigator = no saving Alabasta.

SUDDENLY: A CYCLONE!

suddenly: a jester standing on water. what is this a joke?


whats with the long drawn scene with the jester? can we get to something actually important?

a submarine?

ok, whoever just questioned they're pirates and called them weirdoes has earned my respect, he has a good head on him.

this is really taking a long time, I bet we are going to get to that doctor they'll recruit I've heard talk about..... what? 30-40 episodes ago? with the sickness as it is, I won't be surprised really.

ye gods Doggy.....you continue to prove that your stupidity knows no bounds and that whatever brain you have been given, is not a functional one, much less one suited for the life of a captain.

Doggy as normal, doesn't listen to anyone...

from jungle to snow....eh, unsurprising at this point....

you village pricks shot Vivi....:smallfurious: what is wrong with you!?



.....Wow....:smalleek: Vivi.....you are forgiving...

yes! finally someone points out that Luffy is a failure as a captain! HAPPY DAY! Vivi! You might outrank Nami by now!

good Luffy, act smart for once and actually solve a problem through reasonable methods. it might get you somewhere.

Zorro.....by now I would not surprised if you could swim through lava and come out ok...

oh no the fever is worse than I thought, she thinks something thought up by Luffy is a good idea! aaaaaaaah!

.....annnd they have a casual conversation while dodging killer rabbits. sigh. this doesn't surprise me, it just makes me wonder why this was needed or necessary
why was this scene included, why do we have to go through every last detail and drag it all out? what is the point of the killer rabbits? would this anime really be lesser if it hurried up a little and actually got around to something? the pacing is just so slow. I'm starting to wonder if One Piece's length and detail are its greatest weaknesses. things take so long and so step-by-step in whatever byzantine master plan the author has in store......light years down the road that you start to lose interest before you ever get to that because it just doesn't seem to go anywhere, and places it does go it always seems to go in silly places that aren't needed, and for god's sake, we just spent the entire last episode just getting to the island in the first place, when it could've been easily accomplished in less time, and now we are spending an entire episode just getting to the doctor.

yea, Luffy is NO position to call ANYONE dumb.

yea....killer bunnies....this is random DnD encounter level of meh.



.....eh, tired....thats all I can do for today. and I haven't been in good form the last few ones.....better sleep, recharge, get back to it tomorrow....

[Iruka]

why not banana-headed men who use golf clubs as weapons, or plant people that dwell on clouds for no reason, or a group of elephant samurai trying to hunt pirates, or platypus themed pirates with a captain that wants to blow up something some nonsensical crystal by pouring lemonade on it!




Hehehehehehehe. Yeah, why not? :smallwink:

[Frozen_Feet]

Don't try to predict the impossible, Raziere. You might turn out like Usopp and end up being right. :smallamused:

[Lord Raziere]

sigh, on with the show, what insanity are we going to encounter next, what little progress are we going to make at this pacing of a snail, what stupidity will Our Illustrious Captain perpetrate this time? I'm dying to find out.


sigh, I'm not even going to comment on they are taking this seriously. I mean whats the point of the rabbits? to make this extra hard on top what they already had to go through? just.....why? why do they even have to be rabbits? couldn't you have at least just gone with giant polar bears or something? why the extra-pointless silliness?

Dalton Squarebland, everything is absurd. you just have no idea, you don't even know.

so an old woman's going to be doctor? hrm...weird reindeer mount she has.

yup, she definitely seems Strawhat material.....sigh.

So Nami without the youth or beauty and with more compassion....sigh.

just.....why. why the bunnies. what purpose do they serve. why this elaborate scenario where they were getting chased by killer bunnies while the only doctor on the island is somewhere else treating a kid in a middle of eternal winter? why does it need to be this complicated and convoluted? are we ever going to actually get to the healer or not?

whelp, that automatically makes Wapol completely evil as far as I'm concerned. moral event horizon crossed already, how about that.

"train some more" is Zorro's answer to everything isn't it....

Wapol, destroy their ship, now. they're your enemy, get rid of their ship so that they can't escape. you don't want to go back to being a pirate, so these ships are useless to you now.

they're causing an avalanche? oh. I'm surprised. how dramatic. I totally see this coming. aaaaaaaaaaah.



more guy sacrificing his life for others. meh. more avalanche. meh. another egomaniacal villain. meh.

why. just does it insist upon the killer rabbits. are they really important? are they really that needed? just....why? what makes this weirdness so vital? what does this have to do with anything?

seriously, why the stupid rabbits? I'm not questioning the silliness, I'm just questioning why are they necessary?

now I'm that I'm done with being enraged and driven insane by all the silliness, I'm just bored now.

I mean it doesn't even phase me that Luffy does something stupid and leaves Nami alone, she is probably going to be ok anyways, so whats the point in caring?

oh and everyone caught in the Avalanche is ok, trust me on this. a thing like that is a zero casualty disaster that doesn't change the game at all and is just there to delay one person or another from doing something else, so, it really does not have a point to it.

.....sure why not Wapol, that seems to reasonable enough thinking from that perspective, whatever, go on thinking that, everyone knows your the smartest guy in the world after all

the bunnies brought it upon themselves, no sympathy if their avalanche gun backfires.

huh, actual ack of kindness eh from Luffy eh? thats new.

sigh. Wapol. your quickly just becoming annoying. you deserve whatever beating you get.




hmph. yea yea, Luffy can't fight because shock. whatever. at least he knows enough to listen to Sanji...

oh.

so thats the point of the killer bunnies.

whatever. bored!

we are going to go through in a flashback what we already gone an episode ago!? ugh. why. we don't need this. we already saw this. I don't need to be reminded what happened an episode ago.

yes, we are really going through the entire memory. just, repeating the whole thing without any need, just to pad out the episode. aaaagh. why not show us how we arrived on the island next? yep, we gone through the entire thing, consider me fully reminded of the thing that just happened.

oh, now we get to the Luffy actually struggling up the mountain sequence. sigh. I already know that he is going to get there and that is is just to show his conviction and what he is willing to do and how far he is willing to go and blah blah blah. not interested.

hey! Vivi's alive. cool. Usopp probably alive to. darn.

No, Usopp, go to that world, you are not needed here, more anti-Usopp blah blah blah....

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH!!!!
Usopp heads is unnatural!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! !!!

don't try to drama it up, I'm bored again now, and I know Dalton squarebland is going to come back up, he is too important to die.

and really, I'm starting to see the formula of One Piece: arrive at island, learn problem, villain comes in, the badasses get delayed or disabled somehow, so that the villains will be free to do whatever they want, then badasses get un-disabled and kick their asses. what great writing

huh, Zorro just attacked to get some clothes. cool.

finally, we gone though....what.... six episodes for this? ugh, this better be good....

a reindeer in a hat. wat.



what is a reindeer, why is talking. what. its a klutz. what.

what kind of old lady is this? her figure is all wrong.....its too young looking...:smalleek:

the doctor at least takes her work seriously...

the reindeer is seriously her assistant. wat.

the reindeer knows stuff about medicine. WAT.

and they are trying to eat it. wat.

wat. a....reindeer.....who ate a human fruit.....and you taught him all your medical knowledge.......and he is being given more backstory than you, and he is younger.... and he can fight....

.......he is going to be the ships doctor isn't he? Chopper is going to be the ships doctor.

wat. I.....I don't even. I don't wat, this, wat. I don't. this....is a whole new level of weird. I just....no....no....I don't even....now its bipolar....I don't....waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaattt........

dramatic moment, initial refusal, but interest in piracy....yep, he is joining. this is the ships doctor....

wat.

just wat.

this is the ships doctor. a REINDEER. IS. THE SHIP's DOCTOR. WHAT. IS. THIS. I DON'T. EVEN. WHAT IS I DON'T. I DON'T EVEN KNOW. I JUST KNOW DON'T EVEN.
WHAT IS THIS, WHAT IS THIS, THIS JUST...NO, JUST NO. THIS IS TOO RIDICULOUS.

juust.....no....just no......I can't take this seriously. who thought this was needed? who heard the pitch that "were-reindeer kid doctor pirate" was in any way, a good idea or....should've been allowed at all? who heard this idea and thought it needed money? just no, I'm done, just no, the premise is just ridiculous, too silly, too absurd, too....random! too "lets just throw everything in together no matter how mish-mashy" just no thought, whatsoever, over how this fits into anything! just......what! this doesn't have anything to do with pirates in the most....slightest...remotest way! just......were reindeer doctor! for no reason!

screw it...screw it...I'm not gonna watch this show anymore. its just not a thing that should be. because I can see no logic, or rhyme or reason, to including this.
just no, I'm done. I mean Chopper might make sense by himself, but combined with the rest of this, no, just no, no more, just....this just ain't my show, if its going to just get more ridiculous from her on out, then no, I'm gone, forget "reviewing" the whole thing if its going to this ridiculous, I just can't take this much absurdity...

[ThePhantom]

Yes, Chopper is going to be the doctor, and funny enough the rest of the world will have a similar reaction to that fact as you did. As for thought behind the series, there is a good amount of that, but a fair bit of things are silly.

Just try to remember the MST mantra: Its just a show; I should really just relax.

[Forum Explorer]

Guess you can't handle the weirdness of the show. Too bad for you. And for the record, yes the weirdness does continue to ramp up leading to things like the Super Sonic Duck Squadron.

[Arcran]

Yeah, Chopper is a small drop in a huge bucket. If you can't handle him, just stop now.

[Tectonic Robot]

Psshhh, lightweight. :smalltongue:

But, yeah, looks like the guys who said 'you should stop' were right, eh? Aw, well, it was interesting to read while it lasted. Peace, Raziere.

I'd recommend continuing, but ya already seem to despise the show, so whatevs.

[Psyren]

Also? You aren't Moviebob or Yahtzee or MST or CinemaSins. You've already committed the biggest sin of not being funny- keep the day job.

This made me lol.

I do hate One Piece though - I can't get past the art (needlenoses etc) and I'm not even a big fan of pirates in general (especially how romanticized they are in modern fiction - there's a reason this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HblbpLwC_XA) is one of my favorite Robot Chicken sketches) but when I don't like something I just stay away from their fandom. People like what they like.


EDIT: Ironically though, I do love Grand Line 3.5 (http://grandline3point5.thecomicseries.com/comics/first/) a lot. Not sure why except that it's funny and accessible.

[123456789blaaa]

This made me lol.

I do hate One Piece though - I can't get past the art (needlenoses etc) and I'm not even a big fan of pirates in general (especially how romanticized they are in modern fiction - there's a reason this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HblbpLwC_XA) is one of my favorite Robot Chicken sketches) but when I don't like something I just stay away from their fandom. People like what they like.


EDIT: Ironically though, I do love Grand Line 3.5 (http://grandline3point5.thecomicseries.com/comics/first/) a lot. Not sure why except that it's funny and accessible.

It can be fun to mock and complain about things you dislike though. Just look at the Dominic Deegan threads in the Webcomic section of this forum (50 threads!).

[Lord Raziere]

I dunno, I guess I was just doing the review in some stupid attempt at proving something like there are flaws to it, or trying "expose" it as bad, when really, what would be the point? it wouldn't convince any fans and any nonfans wouldn't really care and they'd just decide on their own anyways. I just don't like it and I don't think anything in it will persuade me otherwise, when I have better things to do with my time. to me it just seems like normal farm boy trying to become a king fantasy but WITH PIRATES AND WEIRDNESS!

heck, I bet Luffy is the son of somebody important and makes all his accomplishments nil because the will to achieve things is apparently genetic (yes I know Naruto suffers from that kind of reveal to, but lets be honest: NONE of the heroes of shonen-demographic anime actually achieve things through pure hard work, they've always had some advantage that sets them above the rest in addition to the work, which goes back to Goku and the reveal that he is actually a saiyan.)

[Hiro Protagonest]

Weeellll...He is the son of someone important (and also the grandson of someone important, and the oath brother of someone important...), but the incredible will is tied to D being his middle initial. :smalltongue:

[ThePhantom]

So, its okay for us to post spoilers now?

[Hiro Protagonest]

So, its okay for us to post spoilers now?

Not sure if you're responding to him or me, since it's within the same minute. I did decide to put mine in spoilers.

[Lord Raziere]

sigh, I dunno. to be honest I have friend whom I really trust that doesn't want me to continue if it cause me nothing but misery when I think it sucks. that and while I do like mocking things like Dominic Deegan, maybe its just not appropriate to extend it to other things like this. at the same time it doesn't really feel fair of me to leave it as is....but then again....the weirdness that is Chopper....

eh. I dunno. I think I'll stop, just because this is making me feel too conflicted...that that reassurance that there other people who dislike it makes it feel less necessary......

[LaZodiac]

I'll be perfectly honest, the flaws you see don't particularly seem like flaws, just character traits.

But yes, this experiment was fun to read, and it was interesting seeing someone's perspective of a series I like. I'm...completely baffled that Chopper is the straw that broke the camel's back, but that's okay. You'd end the instant Wapool showed off his power :smallamused:

But yes, to each their own and all that.

[Psyren]

heck, I bet Luffy is the son of somebody important and makes all his accomplishments nil because the will to achieve things is apparently genetic (yes I know Naruto suffers from that kind of reveal to, but lets be honest: NONE of the heroes of shonen-demographic anime actually achieve things through pure hard work, they've always had some advantage that sets them above the rest in addition to the work, which goes back to Goku and the reveal that he is actually a saiyan.)

Well, in Goku's case yes I would agree that the other inhabitants of his 'verse kinda got a raw deal, at least in Dragonball. Tenshinhan, Yamucha and Krillin really were just ordinary joes who got where they were by working their asses off, but they couldn't compete with the alien.

Of course, the counterpoint to that is that the kinds of challenges they'd face later - other aliens - meant they never really had a chance to begin with. First Piccolo, then Vegeta, then Frieza etc. I can definitely sympathize that that isn't very satisfying.

In fact, most shonen protagonists seem to have this problem. Ichigo (holy hell, Ichigo), Natsu, Luffy, Naruto, Rin Okumura, Allen Walker - all of them are just the most awesome seemingly by divine right (or cosmic coincidence) and it makes it hard to really root for them when they win over and over because they all had some kind of engineered/destined leg up over the competition. The Lancer is usually more popular simply because they are the ones who actually busted their ass to get where they are.

On the other hand though, you need some reason they succeed where the other characters, who try just as hard as they do, fail. "I just trained harder than everyone else" isn't necessarily satisfying either, even if it's nice to think that effort is truly all you needed.


I guess that's one reason I like Fullmetal Alchemist so much. I haven't finished Brotherhood yet (no spoilers please) or the manga but at least in the original series, Edward is the badass prodigy he is simply because he's smart. Sure his dad has all kinds of ties to destiny and what have you but Edward would be just as awesome even if his dad wasn't in the story at all. He's just a kid that read a lot when he was younger and got a really good teacher, and screwed up in a very specific way that enabled him to achieve even more.

[LaZodiac]

I've a feeling you'll really like Brotherhood, then, Psyren.

Also, I wouldn't say Luffy's got any divine right to be better then everyone else. Everyone in the crew has their strengths and weaknesses. There ARE instances where it seems like Luffy is just overpowering, but that's in part due to who they're fighting.

Minor spoilers for later, in case anyone care: When fighting Perona for instance, her Hollow Hollow powers could easily defeat Luffy. Conversly, Ussop is the only person capable of taking her down due to his sheer negative personality.

[Psyren]

Not divine perhaps but considering his father/grandfather, definitely genetic.

And yeah, there's always that one random quirky miniboss that can take down the protagonist because reasons and who must be handled by the Lancer or another secondary. Goku had #19, Allen had Jasdevi etc. But for the battles that really matter the protagonist still stands alone and this is most often due to their heritage/the cosmic circumstances that led to their unique upbringing.

As I said, for me personally it doesn't matter but it's a ubiquitous enough trope in shonen (save for FMA that is) that I can understand people starting to get a little put off by it. I really like FMA's premise because, yes the Elrics had natural talent in spades but they weren't selected by cosmic forces or have any pretensions at destiny or justice or wanting to protect people or anything like that - they learned alchemy because there was literally nothing else to read in their parochial home and doing things with it made their mother smile. All the determination and destiny and other stuff came later.

[LaZodiac]

Not divine perhaps but considering his father/grandfather, definitely genetic.

And yeah, there's always that one random quirky miniboss that can take down the protagonist because reasons and who must be handled by the Lancer or another secondary. Goku had #19, Allen had Jasdevi etc. But for the battles that really matter the protagonist still stands alone and this is most often due to their heritage/the cosmic circumstances that led to their unique upbringing.

Though in that arc, the main villain is defeated only by everyone coming together as one, but yes, I DO see what you mean, quite a lot in fact.

And I do agree that how FMA handles things is quite great.

[Xondoure]

Chopper huh? That's hilarious. Chopper's just so tame for One Piece. :smallbiggrin:

[Lord Raziere]

okay then how about this:

tell me the episode number of the weirdest episode of One Piece if its so weird. tell me the number of the weirdest episode, not the title, not the most enjoyable, not the most serious or anything, just. the. weirdest. no explanations, no context, nothing, just give me the number of the weirdest episode ever. I'll watch it.

if I can handle that, the I'll be able to handle all else no? then I could continue. if I cannot, I won't. we gotta deal?

[Moak]

We must first find consensus on which is. I think that are the ones with Foxy and Davy Back Fight.... ep from 208 to 219, i think.

[Tectonic Robot]

I'd say the scene where they try and get Franky to join the crew, or when Brook is met.

[turbo164]

Weirdness:

*Along the lines of the rabbits, the Kung Fu Dugongs...

*Davy Back is a good candidate. Foxy's lame schemes, dodgeball obscurity, red-light-green-light silliness, the entire concept of trading crew in general...

*Amazon Lily where the girls learn what a man is?

*TACTICS 15!

*Kaku-turns-into-giraffe-machine-gun-box ? (I think it's awesome, but if CHOPPER scored low...)

[Forrestfire]

... what about the Frank N Furter expy? :smalltongue:

[Lizard Lord]

we are going to go through in a flashback what we already gone an episode ago!? ugh. why. we don't need this. we already saw this. I don't need to be reminded what happened an episode ago.



I know we shouldn't be comparing Naruto to One Piece anymore, (and as I have said before I like both) but Naruto does have this particular problem worse than One Piece does. Dare you tell me otherwise?

[Lord of the Helms]

... what about the Frank N Furter expy? :smalltongue:

Ivankov's first scene is definitely high up. However, I'd also like to throw EVERYBODY! ZOMBIE NIGHT! into the ring. Just to be sure, was the scene where the Zombies run fast, then get tired and stop to catch their breath in the same episode as that song? Because then I do believe we have a winner.

We may have to do a poll to sort this out. :smallbiggrin:

And yes, if Chopper is too much for you, then you are definitely better off stopping. Just Mr. 2 and the Kung Fu Dugongs will be enough to finish you off. Chopper is probably only the third-weirdest member of the crew as of now, and the story isn't close to over yet.

[Forrestfire]

Oh man, I had blocked that one out or something :smallamused:

[Tectonic Robot]

What about the giant frog doing the front crawl?

[Lizard Lord]

I understand not liking One Piece. It is weird and its weirdness can be off putting. However I must ask something for those that dislike it for this reason. Do you like Adventure Time?

[Lord Raziere]

I understand not liking One Piece. It is weird and its weirdness can be off putting. However I must ask something for those that dislike it for this reason. Do you like Adventure Time?

No I do not. I saw the first episode, and I instantly knew that it was not for me. it was more off-putting than One Piece.

[Lizard Lord]

The only other really weird show that is popular (and that I love to watch) I can think of is Doctor Who.

[Lord Raziere]

WHAT. don't you compare them. don't. you. compare. Doctor Who. to either Adventure Time or One Piece. just stop there, and go home. I'd tell you to rethink your life but that would be segueing into star wars. just, no, we are talking about things that are completely different levels and quality. just no. because no. because no. don't even dude, just don't even.

[Lord of the Helms]

WHAT. don't you compare them. don't. you. compare. Doctor Who. to either Adventure Time or One Piece. just stop there, and go home. I'd tell you to rethink your life but that would be segueing into star wars. just, no, we are talking about things that are completely different levels and quality. just no. because no. because no. don't even dude, just don't even.

Gotta agree there. Can't compare them. One Piece is written with far more consistent quality than Doctor Who :smalltongue:

... then again, if you take filler into account, it does become scarily comparable :smalleek:

[Kato]

Gotta agree there. Can't compare them. One Piece is written with far more consistent quality than Doctor Who :smalltongue:

... then again, if you take filler into account, it does become scarily comparable :smalleek:

OP has the advantage of having only one writer. and Moffat is... a bit sloppy when it comes to accepting poor scripts. (And so was RTD. And Classic Who runners)

That said... I also was put quite off by AT's first episode.

[Lizard Lord]

WHAT. don't you compare them. don't. you. compare. Doctor Who. to either Adventure Time or One Piece. just stop there, and go home. I'd tell you to rethink your life but that would be segueing into star wars. just, no, we are talking about things that are completely different levels and quality. just no. because no. because no. don't even dude, just don't even.

Yea it is different quality, but the fact is Doctor Who is also really weird and I know people who are put off by the weirdness of that show as well. That's all I was trying to say. Am I wrong?

That and part of the reason I like things like One Piece, Adventure Time, Doctor Who, and Sam and Fuzzy (http://samandfuzzy.com/) is because they are weird. With that said even I was a little put off by the first episode of Adventure Time, though it didn't take me long to get over it.

[Lord Raziere]

Gotta agree there. Can't compare them. One Piece is written with far more consistent quality than Doctor Who :smalltongue:

... then again, if you take filler into account, it does become scarily comparable :smalleek:

............

I am trying to search for words, that won't express pure unrestrained fury. :smallsmile:

ahem.

all the Doctor Who I have seen are good. all the One Piece I have seen are bad.

I have seen all of nine, ten and eleven, including End of Time and the 50th anniversary.

so, I think I strongly disagree with you on what quality is. So please respectfully do not speak to me of it, because I don't think we will ever agree on this.

thank you.

@ Lizard Lord: I don't think we are liking things in the same way. I don't think I connect things like that. to me, One Piece and Doctor Who are completely different. there are just so many things, that it'd take all day to list them and explain how, so many details and things that add up to something I like and something I don't like.

[Soras Teva Gee]

all the Doctor Who I have seen are good. all the One Piece I have seen are bad.

I have seen all of nine, ten and eleven, including End of Time and the 50th anniversary.

so, I think I strongly disagree with you on what quality is. So please respectfully do not speak to me of it, because I don't think we will ever agree on this.

I should point out that LotH there technically did not describe Doctor Who as a bad show or even a worse one, but as one who's quality is inconsistent compared to OP. Something I agree with, there are vast gaps in that show's performance. Where well there's a thread for that.

Also since no one specified NuWho... well you also have to account for Classic... *cackles wildly*

Yes I'm being pendantic but your righteous indignation is very misplaced. Neither is terrible simply because one has failed to trigger a personal berserk button of yours, because very clearly it is personal since both are quite successful shows.

[Lord Raziere]

I should point out that LotH there technically did not describe Doctor Who as a bad show or even a worse one, but as one who's quality is inconsistent compared to OP. Something I agree with, there are vast gaps in that show's performance. Where well there's a thread for that.

Also since no one specified NuWho... well you also have to account for Classic... *cackles wildly*

Yes I'm being pendantic but your righteous indignation is very misplaced. Neither is terrible simply because one has failed to trigger a personal berserk button of yours, because very clearly it is personal since both are quite successful shows.

......

I am trying to search for words that aren't mindlessly hating pedantry.

very well, if One Piece is more consistent, then its clear to me that its more consistent in its low quality in my opinion.

as for Classic, I don't care. just like I don't care for most of Superman's history or what Batman was like in the 50's or whatever. just like I don't care for what things were like in first edition DnD or whatever. to me, the now is what is relevant and important, history might teach us lessons we should learn, but relying too much on history closes one off to new ideas and new directions.

I don't really get what your trying to say in that last....paragraph....blurb...thing...

[Forum Explorer]

......

I am trying to search for words that aren't mindlessly hating pedantry.

very well, if One Piece is more consistent, then its clear to me that its more consistent in its low quality in my opinion.

as for Classic, I don't care. just like I don't care for most of Superman's history or what Batman was like in the 50's or whatever. just like I don't care for what things were like in first edition DnD or whatever. to me, the now is what is relevant and important, history might teach us lessons we should learn, but relying too much on history closes one off to new ideas and new directions.

I don't really get what your trying to say in that last....paragraph....blurb...thing...

I think the last paragraph is saying that your dislike of One Piece isn't objective. Or rather that your dislike is very subjective, and as it's a very popular show. So just because it triggers your personal berserk button doesn't mean it's actually in any way worse (or better for that matter) then Dr. Who (or any other show)

[Lord Raziere]

I think the last paragraph is saying that your dislike of One Piece isn't objective. Or rather that your dislike is very subjective, and as it's a very popular show. So just because it triggers your personal berserk button doesn't mean it's actually in any way worse (or better for that matter) then Dr. Who (or any other show)

sigh. yes. art is subjective. I acknowledge that, whatever. just....don't rope me into trying to believe everything else is to, I'm not a believer in that post-modern relativist/subjectivist stuff.

[Soras Teva Gee]

I don't really get what your trying to say in that last....paragraph....blurb...thing...

You've demonstrated the classic and common failing of fandom types.

You've taken subjective personal opinion and applied it as it was objective reality.

Your so tied to your opinions that rather the question them or apply the MST3K mantra you get your jimmies rustled, go on the defensive.... and consequently because you've already got your lines drawn around a negative opinion and unsuprisingly that is all you will ever find.

The fault lies not in the show, but in your overly stringent and demanding opinions.

Otherwise you wouldn't react so strongly when someone dares dares to compare two shows.

[Lord Raziere]

You've demonstrated the classic and common failing of fandom types.

You've taken subjective personal opinion and applied it as it was objective reality.

Your so tied to your opinions that rather the question them or apply the MST3K mantra you get your jimmies rustled, go on the defensive.... and consequently because you've already got your lines drawn around a negative opinion and unsuprisingly that is all you will ever find.

The fault lies not in the show, but in your overly stringent and demanding opinions.

Otherwise you wouldn't react so strongly when someone dares dares to compare two shows.

.......

I'm trying to search for words that isn't mindless rage at being compared to one of the things I hate the most, doing one of the things I hate the most

1. I don't consider myself a "fan" of anything. the very reasons you outlined is why I avoid identifying myself as such. I may like things, but I am not a fan of things.

2. the fact that I still committed this fallacy means I haven't been trying hard enough and have failed myself. :smallsigh:

3. I feel shame and sadness for being exposed yet again, as a thing that I hate and never want to be. happy now? :smallfrown:

[Lizard Lord]

.......

I'm trying to search for words that isn't mindless rage at being compared to one of the things I hate the most, doing one of the things I hate the most

1. I don't consider myself a "fan" of anything. the very reasons you outlined is why I avoid identifying myself as such. I may like things, but I am not a fan of things.


That is not what fan means, nor is that how Soras used the word. You are clearly a fan of Naruto and Doctor Who just as I am a fan of One Piece and Doctor Who. Fan is not a bad word and you can be a fan and still respect the opinion of others.

[Illieas]

the weirdest thing i can remember

1. the davy back with foxy and the story is so out there

2. cook fight sanji fights wanze. (seriously a person shoot ramen out of his nose and fights with it)

3. fight against wapol and minions. ( it has many gag pauses and stupid fights)

other weird instances:
1. fire side feast in skypeia with sky wolves
2. the Monkeys and jaya animals of jaya arc.
3. gekko moria zombies and robins arm wings

[Lord Raziere]

Its still a failure that I wish had never happened. I know that perfection is not a thing that will exist, and I have no desire for it to exist- but I wish have improved beyond this, nevertheless.

isn't this supposed to be a One Piece thread? sigh. I hate it that every time I try to do some extended forum communication it always ends up with my flaws being pointed out and thread drifting off topic and me disliking that I have failed myself again....

[ThePhantom]

And this having feelings hurt is the reason why I focused my posts on being supportive of both the show and the person watching it. All I can really do now is just say "Raziere, its up to you if you want to continue watching and what things you like. We may point things out and argue about opinions, but its your thread and you get to choose what you do with it, within the forums rules."

[Lizard Lord]

Its still a failure that I wish had never happened. I know that perfection is not a thing that will exist, and I have no desire for it to exist- but I wish have improved beyond this, nevertheless.

isn't this supposed to be a One Piece thread? sigh. I hate it that every time I try to do some extended forum communication it always ends up with my flaws being pointed out and thread drifting off topic and me disliking that I have failed myself again....

I am sorry. I didn't realize this was an issue for you. (Even with my last post I was more replying to a perceived insult for those that consider themselves fans. I meant no disrespect.)


But this is what I believe being human is about. It is about failing. It is about seeing your faults and either accepting them or working on them. It is about stumbling and getting back up repetitively.

To be honest, I tuned in because I wanted to see whether or not you would change your mind one the show (as I have converted at least on person into liking One Piece by having him watch the conclusion of the Alabasta Story Arc, though the Enies Lobby storyline is another one with conversion potential in my opinion).

If you think you can keep an open mind and/or maybe accept that there is even a slight chance of liking it I would like to see you continue. If not that's fine. We can let this thread die and all will be forgiven.

As for this thread being about One Piece, well it was about you watching the show. If you aren't doing that anymore there is nothing to talk about here. :smalltongue:

[Tectonic Robot]

Yeah, agree with the ThePhantom. If you want to continue, it's up to you, Raziere. There's nothing wrong with being opinionated, after all...

[Lord Raziere]

well there is the slight chance of it becoming better, if it learns have more quality stuff like those two Nami flashback episodes in Arlong arc.

I dunno, maybe I was overreacting to Chopper. its not as if I don't play catfolk sorcerers or kitsune half-god tricksters and such. and he does kind of have this "everyone has told me I'm a monster" backstory that kind of makes me feel like a **** for overreacting to him.....maybe I'll watch it....next morning, when I have a fresh mind.

@ tectonic: :smallfrown: but but but.....I don't like being opinionated, it sounds too negative, fixed and its associated with dogma so on, which makes me feel like some narrow-minded jerk who can't accept reality. and thats the last thing I want to be.

[Tectonic Robot]

well there is the slight chance of it becoming better, if it learns have more quality stuff like those two Nami flashback episodes in Arlong arc.

I dunno, maybe I was overreacting to Chopper. its not as if I don't play catfolk sorcerers or kitsune half-god tricksters and such. and he does kind of have this "everyone has told me I'm a monster" backstory that kind of makes me feel like a **** for overreacting to him.....maybe I'll watch it....next morning, when I have a fresh mind.

@ tectonic: :smallfrown: but but but.....I don't like being opinionated, it sounds too negative, fixed and its associated with dogma so on, which makes me feel like some narrow-minded jerk who can't accept reality. and thats the last thing I want to be.

Awwww, mate, i's cool. Maybe opinionated was a bad term for it; you just have a lot of strongly held, not necessarily dogmatic or overly assertive, opinions.

Just try it until the end of Alabasta, mate; Chopper has a very sympathetic backstory, one of the most of the Straw Hats. You might even like the weird little reindeer thing.

Although the only backstory I cried at was Brook's.

[LaZodiac]

I'll be honest Raziere. Every backstory from this point out is on the quality of Nami or higher, and the present day stuff quickly catches up to that same quality. This may be my opinion, but I think if you give it a chance, you'll come to enjoy it for what it is.

[Devonix]

Been reading along for a while Don't think I've commented and don't feel like going back to check.

Raz the one thing that seems to be stopping your enjoyment is that you are trying to apply real world sensibilities to something where those rules don't apply. This isn't earth, as I often tell people in campaigns I'm running. One piece is a comedy shonen with lots of serious stuff that happens. See it on its own terms and don't try and critique it as something it's not.

Don't call a Romantic comedy bad because it's a poor example of a Spy thriller. Even if the movie is called by some spy name.

[ryuplaneswalker]

all the Doctor Who I have seen are good. all the One Piece I have seen are bad.

You have seen Love and Monsters right or Fear Her, or The Dalek Manhattan story, well no scratch that all of the third series except the Family of blood, and maybe blink I was big on blink but have severely cooled on it in the years.

Doctor who is a great fun series, it however is not consistently GOOD in any way shape or form, and Love and Monsters may be the single worst hour of entertainment I have ever seen.

[Lord Raziere]

well see here ryu, you forgot that there is a highly technical and well thought out aspect to my reasoning which is: I'm not to going debate this with you, period.

its off-topic, I'm tired both socially and of this general doctor who comparison discussion, and I'm just ready to get back to normal mock/snark-watching and such. please table any further discussion of it.

BTW, I never said my "review" was in any way professional.

[IncoherentEssay]

If it helps you can probably blame Dominic Deegan (you were a snarker, right?) for your negative bias, it's basically tailor made to weed out any "i'm sure it'll make sense later, i trust the author knows what they're doing" type of thoughts :smalltongue:.
The needlessly caustic tone of your critique is probably the main reason you got such a negative response in the primary one piece thread. There is a difference between:

But....but....if Sanji wanted the boss to acknowledge his cooking, then why did they all say it was bad? what logic is this?
and a simple

Why are they insulting his cooking?
as the first already implies (through the stammering ..but.. and questioning of logic) an opinion of "this is stupid and makes no sense and that's final" on the speakers part. While a good rant kind of requires such verbal flourishes, it does undermine any efforts to understand why people like the series by going in with an "I WILL hate this, just figuring out why" attitude and by provoking a negative reactions from people who otherwise might've been happy to politely and clearly explain any oddities encountered.
Just in case that specific Baratie scene was unclear (spoilered for lenght, not spoilery content):
They insulted Sanji's cooking so he would feel unwelcome & unwanted and would go with Luffy to pursue his dream of finding the All Blue.

You may have noticed how Sanji's demeanor changes massively when he is talking about the All Blue compared to his normal all-out-of-cares-to-give attitude. His dream is really important to him, not that he'd openly admit it to Zeff & his co-workers (who he has a vitriolic best buds type of relationship with).
However, Sanji clearly feels massively indebted to Zeff for saving his life, to the point he is willing to not pursue his dream in order to repay that debt (Sanji is a man of select few ironclad principles, as demonstrated by him giving food to Don Krieg: he will feed the hungry even when he knows it'll bite him in the ass, because he knows firsthand how much starvation sucks. The other two big ones being don't waste food and don't harm women).
Simply encouraging him to pursue his dreams wouldn't work, especially with their vitriolic relationship, so the crew of Baratie resort to trying to passive-aggressively push Sanji out of the door for his own good.

It's not the most objectively logical way to go about things, but people are flawed. And as all of the above is established during the baratie arc, everyone is acting believably flawed and consistent with their characterization (with Luffy appropriately clueless to what they are trying to do). It's been a while since i watched it though, so this is off what i remember of it.

That one was entirely contained in material you've watched though. Some of your other questions would require (or at least the quality & thoroughness of the answer would greatly benefit from) spoiling a lot of later stuff. For example, explaining Luffy's behaviour and mindset would require/benefit from spoiling a (way) later arc dealing with his past from before the start of the series (i think that is non-descript enough to not really spoil anything?). It's this dance through a minefield of spoilers that basically forced people to give half-hearted answers to your initial questions in the primary One Piece thread.

If you could unlearn the (DD induced?) "does not immediately intuitively make sense to me = must be stupid" reflex, i'd say you would be about as unbiased as is fair to expect someone to be :smallsmile:. Basically, give things some thought if they don't make sense immediately, check with the thread if it'll make sense later and/or you missed something. If those results still leave it nonsensical then it's fair to consider it such, imo. For example, i'm personally not fond of The Davy Back Fight, outside of the groggy ring and maybe the last bout (it was fairly creative on some parts) and did not appreciate Foxy returning in a later filler episode at all. It's fine to dislike something as long as you have given it a some thought and haven't made uncharitable assumptions in the progress.


On Grand Line climate & weather, it may not make sense with the same rules that IRL weather & climate are based on. This does not mean it can't make sense at all. I use something similar in my campaing setting*, in that regions can vary wildly from their neighbors.
Granted, we haven't received any detailed information for why the Grand Line is like it is. Personally i think this is because it would spoil something later down the line and i expect it to be at least partially explained at some point later on (there has been early setup for a character that could explain many of the oddities & mysteries, though the actual event may be very far off still).

Well, that went long and rambly. In summary: do continue, just reconsider a bit how you go about it :smallsmile:.

*Some details for the curious (nothing to do with one piece, just lenght):
The nonstandard climate/weather are supported by the fact that in that setting, planar proximity of the elemental planes (D&D 3.5) is the main factor in determining the weather and climate of a region. Proximity to the elemental plane of fire determines overall warmness (proximity to the plane on average), the severity of winter/summer (severity of the variation in proximity over the year) as well as frequency of heat waves and such (local "spikes" in proximity caused by planar instability). The Plane of Water influences humidity, the tides, sea currents and so on (this is a minor plot point in that the seas are more-or-less unsailably stormy in many regions due to the overuse of Decanters of Endless Water in civilized regions. They tap into the elemental plane for their supply and this debt is drawn back through whirlpools). It's not a fully fleshed out system yet, but it does it's job.

[Somensjev]

are we still trying to decide on the weirdest episode, because if so i'd suggest

the fight against foxy
or amazon lily
or the fight against oars, at thriller bark
or zoro fighting kaku
or emporio ivankov (no specific episode, just him in general)

edit: i tried typing emperor, and it corrected it to emporio...? has spell check watched one piece?

[Lord of the Helms]

I should point out that LotH there technically did not describe Doctor Who as a bad show or even a worse one, but as one who's quality is inconsistent compared to OP. Something I agree with, there are vast gaps in that show's performance. Where well there's a thread for that.


Correct. Doctor Who definitely had episodes that were among the best things I ever watched on television, but also episodes that were among the worst, and in roughly even proportion. Whereas in One Piece, the only part I can think of that I really truly hated hated HATED was the Davy Back Fight, while the highlights (Enies Lobby, Alabasta, Marineford and as it looks like, the current arc) were enjoyable at least on the level of Blink or Empty Child/Doctor Dances. I understand if the ridiculous silliness can be off-putting, but it is definitely consistent in its silliness. Also helps that I cannot think of any significant Deus Ex Machina in over 700 issues, either.

Now, if you do count filler, it gets a lot worse for One Piece, since a lot of those really did annoy me a lot. But quantity-wise, it still doesn't compare to the proportion of NewWho-episodes I disliked.

Now, back to the question of the silliest episode: The more I think about it, the more I think that the one that introduces Ivankov takes the cake.

It has:
- Ivankov in General
- Ivankov's silly "Aaaaargh! Oh No! I'll die!....just kidding" antics
- Ivankov deflecting a bazooka shot with a wink
- Ivankov turning a man into a woman
- Mr. 2 Bon Clay, who himself is plenty ridiculous, actually seeming unremarkable by comparison.

[Lord Raziere]

eeehhh, I'm less inclined to change the snarky part. I kind of like doing that. so its kind of hard for me to stop I want and like to do it...

I have however taken into account Devonix's suggestion not to take real world sensibilities into account. so I'll do what I did when I made fun of Naruto's storyline (well half of it, I'm going to get around to the other half someday): make two low level guys ninjas/pirates who know the basics of the universe, one who thinks everything that the protagonist did was all just tall tales, and another who thinks it really happened. (what, just because I like something, doesn't mean I can't make fun of it)

so! everyone welcome young Wallie the swabbie, and the ol' seadog Galdan. Wallie will be our possibly crazy doubter, and Galdan will be our sane if trusting tale-teller.


Galdan: hey, Wallie I've got another tale for you.
Wallie: no, old man, I decided to stop listening after you described the reindeer doctor in a red hat. there is no possible way that any of that could be true.
Galdan: come now, what is wrong with Chopper? listen more, its not as if you have anything else to do on this ship aside from swabbing, and you do such a good job of that, that I wonder if I ever seen this ship dirty at all.
Wallie: ugh, fine old man, I'll listen to your crazy tales of the Pirate King, I still say its all tall tales spread by the Pirate King himself though.
Galdan: I trust you'll be interrupting me every time you hear something you think is "stupid"?
Wallie: why not, I did it all the other times.
Galdan: so its tradition then! yahar, lets get with the tale then...

Galdan: So were we left off is Chopper saving some birdies in a nest perched on top of a door-
Wallie: oh come on, why didn't they just take it off the door? can birds really make homes that high? wouldn't it be too cold? wouldn't it make more sense if it was nearer to the ground where its warmer? how did the door get left ajar for so long that a bird came along to the highest mountain on the island, built a nest on top of it, laid some eggs, then they hatched, without either Chopper or the old woman doing anything about it?
Galdan: come on, thats not the point of the story, the point was to show that Chopper has a good heart and that he is willing to endure things for things that he cares about. that and if they moved it, how would their mother find them? she wouldn't know where they were, and would be distraught, flying in circles in fear and her children would starve.
Wallie: ugh, fine just get on with it.
Galdan: gladly. Inherited Will, The destiny of the age-
Wallie: oh don't start with that stupid Gold Roger quote again.
Galdan: hrmph, you boy, have no taste for good storytelling. ahem. so there was Chopper, studying a bacteria colony with Luffy suddenly burst in and made him jump! thankfully Chopper caught all the equipment before it fell on the floor...
Wallie: oh come on, no one is that good at catching things.
Galdan: oh? I once met a man in Loguetown who could juggle five swords and catch them all in their proper sheathes at the same time lad, don't knock it.
ahem. Luffy then proclaimed that this was why he liked monsters, then started to tickle Chopper, who protested as Luffy poked and prodded him, while trying to keep the equipment steady, but no matter how much he did so, Chopper never laughed or lost balance, not a single beaker broken, yet Luffy had fun nevertheless...
Galdan: Luffy then asked him to be his friend over his protests!
Wallie: oh come on, I still don't believe that the Pirate King, the most feared man on the face of the planet could possibly be this fun-loving idiot. how would he even have the drive? to achieve anything it takes discipline and hard work.
Galdan: through a love for life and never giving up lad.
Wallie: yea, whatever.
Galdan: meanwhile, Sanji brought Nami more food...but is overwhelmed once more by her legendary beauty! however the witch of the mountain kicks him into the wall, along with his food at being addressed as "madam"
Wallie: yea, the old lady who is 140 years old? yea right, as if one could even live that long
Galdan: she knows very good medicine lad, very good medicine. then Luffy bursts in, chasing Chopper proclaiming him his nakama while Chopper runs in fear. but Chopper protests that he never agreed to that!
Wallie: I still have trouble believing this reindeer doctor thing, I mean the devil fruits in general are stupid, why do you keep insisting they exist?
Galdan: because they do lad, because they do!
Wallie: I call bull on that, I never seen any devil fruit, that and if they really existed, how would they last long when the obvious tactic is to just keep knocking them into the water until they die? should be the point of all devil fruit battles.
*Galdan pulls out a devil fruit*
Galdan: now you seen one, mate.
Wallie: yea right,as if they actually grant powers.
Galdan: oh? prove me wrong, try it.
*Wallie takes it....considers.....then throws it overboard*
Wallie: what? I like swimming.
Galdan: ahahahahahar! wisest thing I ever seen done with a devil fruit lad
Galdan: back to the story...where was I? oh right, years past, Chopper lived iwith Doctor Hiluluk...
Wallie: GROAN. not another story within a story! stick with one old man!
Galdan:....Hiluluk has a quack doctor, wanted by the authorities for his practices...and the people feared his coming, for it often meant that they would get worse, not better...even if Wapol hadn't been hunting him, he would've been the worst doctor in the country, despite his determination to help others...
...the only other there was Docterine, who was a known thief doctor despite how well she cured others....
Wallie: tch, awfully stupid doctors either way...
Galdan: what? they were under extenuating circumstances. a doctor can't cure people without supplies after all...for Hiluluk, he was determined to not be captured at all, determined to heal the country, going into the snows, the blizzards and out of town....until he spotted Chopper, seeing that he had been shot, and trying to staunch the wound
Wallie: hrmph, guess even quacks know that much....
Galdan: but he said the wrong thing and suddenly Chopper began attacking him in rage! furthermore, Chopper probably heard the gun Hiluluk was carrying and remembered the shots fired at him from before, not wanting to be shot again...
Galdan: then Hiluluk stripped naked and proclaimed himself a doctor!
Wallie: in the middle of a blizzard? wouldn't he die from the cold? why did he do that? just....why, it seems ridiculous
Galdan: it was to proclaim his dedication lad! his dedication to curing the sick and what not! don't question it!
Wallie: I'm questioning it! HARD! I refuse to believe that it was so dramatic....
Galdan: Chopper then woke up in a cave fashioned by Hiluluk, covered in bandages, and saw food left by a sleeping Hiluluk. this is how they first met...
...over the past three days, Chopper did not speak, fearing that he would be hated by Hiluluk, but on the fourth day, he spoke and explained his predicament...however Hiluluk questioned "so what you can talk? I can talk to" but suddenly a potion of his exploded and sent them careening into the snow...
Wallie: uh....I don't think medical potions are supposed to do that.
Galdan: he was a QUACK doctor, remember?
Wallie: oh right, completely incompetent, I forgot.
Galdan: Chopper soon questioned why Hiluluk called him "Tony tony Chopper" and he said it was because he was a reindeer and his antlers looked like they could chop down trees!
Wallie:....but antlers can't cut down trees, they're not sharp!
Galdan: lad...just go with it... ahem, Hiluluk then decided to teach Chopper how to be a doctor, and on the first try they got kicked out in record time! and the second and the third and so on, and one time Hiluluk even punted Chopper to be a distraction while Hiluluk ran for the hills!
Wallie: hrmph, some friend of his
Galdan: it was an odd relationship, they fought and argued a lot. until they tired themselves out. on the first time they did so, they reconciled by Hiluluk giving Chopper his red hat, and Chopper accepted it quietly, pulling it over his antlers until they made holes in it. Hiluluk taught him to not hate humanity for treating them as outcasts, and showed him a potion that Hiluluk believed would solve their problems. that there was once a man who was cured by seeing an entire mountain of sakura blossoms, and that there was nothing a doctor could not cure!
Hiluluk even had his own Jolly roger of sakura blossoms as a symbol of conviction and hope
Wallie: yea yea, blah blah blah, that story problably wasn't true...
Galdan: lad have you ever been outside your own island?
Wallie: no, why?
Galdan: nothing... on with the story... Chopper once asked what a pirate was, and Hiluluk responded "pirates are great men of the sea! bodies hard as stone, eyes like an eagle, and voices that tear the sky asunder! Chopper asked Luffy "are you a pirate?" and replied "yes!" and then he began to tell of how they dance and sing...
Wallie: huh, you never said the Strawhat pirates dance or sung before this
Galdan: quiet lad, quiet! furthermore he said that they have lots of adventures!
Wallie: yea, lots of adventures staving off scurvy, running from authorities, getting lost, trying to keep yourself from running out of food, cleaning the decks, fighting for your life, getting injured, getting stranded, trying to survive on the edge of civilization, toiling away as a cabin boy, struggling to keep stores of fresh water, raiding people for what necessary supplies you need and so on.
Galdan: yes but lad, what about the joys of seeing new places and living life on your terms, and letting no man determine your own way, what about the joys and the thrills you get from facing down your enemies and seeing them flee before you? what of going where you can, dancing and singing when you want?
Wallie: are all few and far between. most of the new places I see are endless ocean and more endless ocean, I seem to be ordered about by a captain everyday, so what freedom, I'm weak and we only get to dance and sing when get to port, and I don't get to go where I can, thats what the captain gets to choose!
Galdan: sigh.....lad....on with the story, both Hiluluk and Luffy explain how you meet new people as you travel to new islands, Hiluluk proclaims that Choppers tomorrow lies out upon the seas! Hiluluk however tried to make Chopper go, but Chopper protested that he had nowhere else to go and banged on his door to try to be let back in. Chopper even tried to hurt himself, but Hiluluk instead shot at him to make him go away.
Wallie: WHY!? seems like a bad friend to me.
Galdan: because he needed Chopper to go away because he was dying. his own medicine was not good enough to cure what he had, and he had no money to pay
Docterine's fee. he tried to threaten her, but she defeated him easily, noting that he couldn't even hurt anyone with the anesthetic gun.
she however said that he would die in ten days, at 5' oclock
Wallie: uh....that seems remarkably precise...
Galdan: Chopper however was listening in on this. Hiluluk said that he would complete what he had in store in two days... it turned out that he was the thief that was healed, and he had spent thirty years in research to try and make sakura blossoms bloom in winter, but Docterine knew that what he was doing was nonsense, not medicine.
Wallie: so he was just insane then?
Galdan: not insane, just erm....determined yes?
Wallie: well I think he was never cured, I think the disease had was for all thirty of those years, it just didn't kill him until then. he just thought the sakura blossoms cured him.
Galdan: but he went to a doctor who said he was cured.
Wallie: considering that he is a quack himself, I don't think whatever doctors he went to were all that good themselves...
Galdan: however Hiluluk was determined to do the impossible...but this story does not have a happy ending....




Galdan: in the present, Chopper locked Luffy up for being so persistent. however Luffy soon takes the keys with his stretchy arms and chases him once more! however Chopper soon scents Wapol coming...

in the past however, when Chopper heard that Hiluluk had only ten days to live, he became quite distraught. he remembered the times they shared, and his convictions... and then remembered a mushroo that could supposedly cure all kinds of illnesses, and set out to search for it....he searched high and low, until he found the reindeer herd again... he tried to sneak through, but the scarred reindeer saw him and head butted him out! he fought the scarred reindeer over and over again, remembering Hiluluk's words!
Wallie: yea, as if it that would actually work, Chopper would be too small to actually stand up against that big of a reindeer. its just physics, Chopper wouldn't have the mass or the muscle power to achieve the speed and force needed to fight back to head-butt like that.
Galdan: lad, its not about physics! its about his convictions, and his will to not give up!
Wallie: also, why didn't his hat get crumpled during that head-butt fight?
Galdan: that doesn't matter, what matters is that he soon finds the mushroom amidst a great cliff... one he could not get across, back at Hiluluk's lab, he laments how close he is to achieving his dream as night falls... Chopper soon makes it back with the mushroom, but the book lost.
Galdan: Hiluluk is taken aback at how far Chopper is willing to go to cure him.. and accepts him back in tears... meanwhile in Wapol's castle, the Doctor Hunt is proceeding well, with only Kureha and Hiluluk left uncaptured... so Wapol hatches a plan, lying that the Isshi-20 have fallen ill...
Wallie: why? how does that lure those two out? hmmm
Galdan: meanwhile, Hiluluk congratulates Chopper on his miracle cure
Wallie: yea, "miracle" cure, like all his others, it probably doesn't work, like the "miracle cure", snake oil!
Galdan: but sees the reaction he has waited for, for 30 years! the sakura blossoms....he is overjoyed that what he has done, finally worked. he soon asks Kureha to take care of his research and Chopper, but she kicks him out.
She soon goes to Chopper and reveals that it was in fact, a deadly poison. Hiluluk only had a half a day to live.
he gone up to the castle, only to found out it was a trick, and he smiled, happy that the country wasn't in trouble while he said that he would not die as long as he wasn't forgotten.
Wallie: oh that, stupid "as long my memory is alive, I am to" bull. in that, only very few people are still alive at all, most are destined to die forgotten while the legends are immortal forever, and even they fade in peoples minds as new immortal legends come and render the old ones forgettable....
Galdan: lad, your so cynical....whats wrong with you? why can't you be jolly?
Wallie: why can't you be sensible?
Galdan: Hiluluk then drinks his own explosive medicine and dies. Chopper rages and attacsk to avenge him, but Dalton quickly stops him, warning him that if he cannot even overpower Dalton, he has no chance against anyone else.
Dalton then proclaims that there is no medicine for stupidity, and Wapol knows who he means.
we return to the present, and Chopper comes running to tell Doctorine that Wapol has returned, while Luffy glares angrily at the big-mouthed fool....
Wallie: eh, nice story about the reindeer doctor, but....now we have to go back the main one again.....where most the tall tales stuff comes into play...
Galdan: hey, do you want side stories or not? make up your mind. and that is all I have to tell for today....

[ThePhantom]

Well, it seems like you liked Chopper's backstory okay, through not as good as Nami's. Oh well, Nami had a lot longer to build up her story.

[Lord Raziere]

eh actually I wasn't feeling it in that review. just....too much recap, not enough criticism. guess that style only works when criticizing the entire plot as a whole, like I did with Naruto.

anyways. time to get back on track


Ha! spoiled brats! describes Wapol entirely and without leaving anything out. I like it.

hey, if you two fight, one of you jerks is gonna get beaten up so...go ahead Doggy, either way I win.

heh, even Sanji is like "who let these guys in?" no one likes Wapol.

oh god, now Doggy has learned "Smug Grin" his eyes are finally less than dinner-plate wide, but now he looks like some demented lazy guy who sees the perfect opportunity to troll somebody. how many expressions are that?

Blankface (emotionlessly scary)
childishly angry (not really scary at all)
childishly happily (smiles way too wide to be natural or charming)
frowning (looks a lot like blankface but is subtly different)
Smug grin (looks unnaturally demented)

yeah, Wapol DOES seem to cause people nothing but problems Luffy, you are definitely right on that, for once we completely agree on what to do about this guy. I mean he makes all the egomaniacal villains look sane in comparison.

.....Doggy, how does your brain work? "its cold here" -> "that guys a king!"
"he is a king" -> "my god its cold here!" at least it makes sense from the switch-around perspective: it may be the wrong information being realized but its somehow equivalent to each other.

heh how clever Sanji, how clever. but then again, your technically stating the truth: Luffy IS a monster. in more ways than you can possibly imagine. *imagines the Blankface descending upon innocents while horror music plays*

....how do I react to this? afro being shot at Kureha and Sanji blocking? um....
Sanji: still cool, even as he fights a soul brother and his weird afros, probably afros that are harmful for some reason, who knows...

oh its just stuck to Sanji's leg.....ooooooh! I'm so scared. will he try to attack with a comb next? :smallamused: perhaps he is going to shoot some hair conditioner at me? Sanji just kick this guy's ass, his afro's don't do anything...

....hm, the Strawhats don't seem to regard a fight as anything out of the ordinary. guess they have been doing this too long. or this is just the day in the life of a pirate.

I agree with Kureha: what ARE they doing? they are just afro's! just fight, they aren't doing anything harmful, Sanji your just being a Rarity about this...

oh they're burnable and provide archer dude a target. thats all. LAME.

yup! Sanji is french, he said it in his attack, he is french. I knew it. the only question remaining: how does French exist in this world at all? improbability drives thats how. that or Illuminati Q's, but its all the same at some point or other.

ok, weird and OH GOD.

WEIRD JUST BECAME SCARY. HE IS EATING HIS LOYAL SUBJECTS OH GOD.

WAPOL IS EVIL. KILL HIM, OH GOD. KILL THE CANNIBAL. AAAAAAAAAAAH!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!! THIS IS EVEN SCARIER. HE JUST FORCIBLY FUSED HIS LOYAL SUBJECTS INTO ONE, THIS IS COMPLETELY INHUMAN AND MONSTROUS, OH GOD. THIS IS NOT NATURAL. HE IS AN ABOMINATION THAT DOES NOT DESERVE LIFE, JUST GET RID OF HIM FOREVER PLEASE! OH GOD....

wait they're just riding on each other's shoulders?

oh god, WHEW I thought that was horrific for a moment.....thank you Sanji...

cannibal Wapol is still scary though. :smalleek:

I like Chopper, he is actually selfless, little too idealistic about Wapol the cannibal though...

yea I'm starting to get the skull and crossbones thing is a universal cultural symbolic thing in One Piece.


wow, he actually shouted so loud that he made the villains quake with fear. I'm starting to get the feeling that these guys aren't actually threats...

seven transformations? and we've only seen five....

and Doggy is distracted by something cool. of course. yes Doggy, keep looking at the treat dangled out of your reach while Wapol hits you...

that is six, what is number seven?

Chopper is: Terminator reindeer. the devil fruit didn't turn him human, it turned him robot!

I timed that, t'was more like FIVE minutes than three.

don't worry Vivi, they have it under control, there is only Wapol left and do you KNOW how many episodes it took to get up that mountain? like what, four? save yourself the trouble and just wait.

ha! Zorro doesn't even know what is going on.

Usopp, your not strong enough to carry a big guy like Dalton Squarebland. you will probably die if you do this. go ahead! glad your finally sacrificing yourself for the cause!

heh, even Dalton and Zorro are unsure of this, Zorro is even facepalming like he can't believe any of this is happening.

a rope? hrm, perhaps that is how Kureha gets everywhere so fast...

oh god, the fever has gone subtle and is making Nami have a stupid attack, Nami don't listen, stay in bed!



ok, Chopper was intentionally designed to be cute wasn't he? cause he is, even I can't deny that.

see? Nami is having a stupid attack. I'll forgive you for your temporary insanity Nami, but please don't do it again.

failed a spot check, Nami, those navigator eyes must also be affected by the fever...

oh come on, the one time where her lies would be useful and it doesn't work? her GM is really using that fever compel a lot, hope she is getting her fate points worth...

AAAAAAAAAHHHH!!! HE IS A SELF-CANNIBAL OH GOD, NAMI, RUN, AAAAAAH!

that plaid monstrosity of a coat cost 28,800 beli? I think you got ripped off, Nami...

good Nami, get all the money from the captain as you can, he deserves nothing!

Wapol, explaining your plan guarantees it'll never work...

how did she even find the time to steal the key!?

Wapol, you didn't load it. of course, you probably don't do any of the work, so your probably don't even know that it needs loading, you had servants to do that for you after all....

more of those mysterious birds who just randomly decided to perch in the castle. what.

Wapol, trust me, that won't work on him, he is already worth more than most pirates in East Blue, trying to persuade him from not committing a criminal act is useless.

why is everyone's laugh in this anime creepy, why?

and Tony doesn't get a break....he never does, does he?

[LaZodiac]

Chopper is kind of a butt monkey sometimes, yeah.

Also, your reaction to Wapol is kind of fantastic. Though I'll note that Marimo and the archer guy do, infact, get fused together by his Baku Baku fruit. Wapol's creepy like that. I mean, the dude ate himself!

[Lord Raziere]

wait, they did get fused?

AAAAAAAAAAAAAH OH GOD OH GOD, WHY, WHY. THE CANNIBAL FUSER MONSTROSITY MUST NOT LIVE ANOTHER DAY......*continues freaked out ranting for a while*

but yeah, just as I suspected: Wapol is a wimp. dude didn't even eat the super-cannon he made....