3.0 Source List

[GhengisConrad]

Oye vei! I went and done it. I got back into DND. It's been MANY a year, but here I am, all grown up (age 27) and playing again.

Me and my cousin got married and now we got our wives into the game, and are having a fantabulous time getting back into it.

As before, I am a powergamer/optimizer. A slave to the RAW, I scour the books looking for new races and new classes. Oh boy do I ever have a good time.

Problem is, being old and set in our ways, we are so AFRAID of 3.5, and want to try and stick to what we know, which is 3.0 material. What is fun for us, is to take the most non-convroversially 'legal' stuff.... and twist it. Half-Dragon Anthropomorphic Baleen Whales, Feral Human Shaman Disciple's of Mephistopheles Shadow-lords, Half-Celestial Soul-Knives, the works!

What I would like to find, is some kind of list of official 3.0 books.

I know that generally July 2003 is when 3.5 came out, so Anything before then, obviously 3.0, but some stuff after is still clearly 3.0, like the Book of Exhalted Deeds, Draconomicon, etc..

Dragon Magazine is clearly not 3.5 until the July 2003 issue, but is there any reason I should expect the material to also somehow be 3.0 compliant beyond that? Specifically I would LOVE to see issue 313 become cannon, for reasons that are obvious.

I'm also curious as to a list of Campaign settings that are 'official' 3.0. From what I can gather, only Oriental Adventures, Kingdoms of Kalamar, and Forgotten Realms are 'cannon' as far as dnd is concerned.


Like I say, I am a RAW optimizer, and that's whats fun for me, and my cousin. We spend most (99.9%) of our time 'playing', just reading and making up the 'best' character we can imagine. What's fun is just trying to break the game the best we know how. And the fun in that, is staying within the clearly defined rules. Just including books that we like, feels like cheating, so I would like to know a way to 'prove' what is 3.0 and what is 3.5. Some kind of 'official' list... if that makes any sense.....

[GilesTheCleric]

Here's my list of sources and their editions.




wotc abb my abb| name|edition
[tr] An| AtEoS| Anauroch the Empire of Shade| 3.5e
-| ASH| Animated Series Handbook| 3.5e
BE| BoED| Book of Exalted Deeds| 3.5e
CR| CoR| Champions of Ruin| 3.5e
CV| CoV| Champions of Valor| 3.5e
CSW| CoSW| City of Splendors: Waterdeep |3.5e
Ci| Cs| Cityscape| 3.5e
CAd| CAd| Complete Adventurer| 3.5e
CAr| CAr| Complete Arcane| 3.5e
CC| CC| Complete Champion| 3.5e
CD| CD| Complete Divine| 3.5e
CM| CM| Complete Mage| 3.5e
CP| CP| Complete Psionic| 3.5e
CS| CS| Complete Scoundrel| 3.5e
CW| CW| Complete Warrior| 3.5e
Dr| Drac| Draconomicon| 3.5e
DM| DM| Dragon Magic| 3.5e
Dra| Dm| Dragonmarked| 3.5e
DE| DoE| Dragons of Eberron| 3.5e
DrF| DoF| Dragons of Faerûn| 3.5e
DrU| DotU| Drow of the Underdark| 3.5e
DMG| DMG| Dungeon Master's Guide| 3.5e
DMG2| DMG2| Dungeon Master's Guide 2| 3.5e
Du| Ds| Dungeonscape| 3.5e
ECS| ECS| Eberron Campaign Setting| 3.5e
EH| EEH| Eberron Explorer's Handbook| 3.5e
ElE| EE| Elder Evils| 3.5e
EE| EoE| Exemplars of Evil| 3.5e
XPH| XPH| Expanded Psionics Handbook| 3.5e
EDP| EttDP| Expedition to the Demonweb Pits| 3.5e
EU| EtU| Expedition to Undermountain| 3.5e
FE| FoE| Faiths of Eberron| 3.5e
FCI| FCI| Fiendish Codex I| 3.5e
FCI| FCII| Fiendish Codex II| 3.5e
-| 5N| Five Nations| 3.5e
FW| FoW| Forge of War| 3.5e
Fr| Fb| Frostburn| 3.5e
GHR| GHotR| Grand History of the Realms| 3.5e
GC| GotEC| Grasp of the Emerald Claw| 3.5e
HB| HoB| Heroes of Battle| 3.5e
HH| HoH| Heroes of Horror| 3.5e
LM| LM| Libris Mortis| 3.5e
LoM| LoM| Lords of Madness| 3.5e
LE| LEoF| Lost Empires of Faerûn| 3.5e
MIC| MIC| Magic Item Compendium| 3.5e
MoE| MoE| Magic of Eberron| 3.5e
MoI| MoI| Magic of Incarnum| 3.5e
MH| MiH| Miniatures Handbook| 3.5e
MM| MMI| Monster Manual| 3.5e
MM3| MMIII| Monster Manual III| 3.5e
MM4| MMIV| Monster Manual IV| 3.5e
MM5| MMV| Monster Manual V| 3.5e
Mys| MotM| Mysteries of the Moonsea| 3.5e
PlH| PlH| Planar Handbook| 3.5e
PE| PGtE| Player's Guide to Eberron| 3.5e
PG| PGtF| Player's Guide to Faerûn| 3.5e
PH| PHB| Player's Handbook| 3.5e
PH2| PHB2| Player's Handbook 2| 3.5e
PF| PoF| Power of Faerûn| 3.5e
RD| RoD| Races of Destiny| 3.5e
RE| RoE| Races of Eberron| 3.5e
RS| RoS| Races of Stone| 3.5e
Rdr| RotD| Races of the Dragon| 3.5e
RW| RotW| Races of the Wild| 3.5e
RC| RC| Rules Compendium| 3.5e
Sa| Ss| Sandstorm| 3.5e
-| SotHH| Scourge of the Howling Horde| 3.5e
SoS| SoS| Secrets of Sarlona| 3.5e
SX| SoX| Secrets of Xen'drik| 3.5e
SK| SK| Serpent Kingdoms| 3.5e
SL| SotLW| Shadows of the Last War| 3.5e
Sh| SCoT| Sharn: City of Towers| 3.5e
ShS| ShS| Shining South| 3.5e
SpC| SC| Spell Compendium| 3.5e
Sto| Sw| Stormwrack| 3.5e
ToB| ToB| Tome of Battle| 3.5e
TM| ToM| Tome of Magic| 3.5e
-| TT| Twilight Tomb| 3.5e
Und| Und| Underdark| 3.5e
UA| UA| Unearthed Arcana| 3.5e
-| WoL| Weapons of Legacy| 3.5e
-| WPM| White Plume Mountain| 3.5e
AE| AaEG| Arms and Equipment Guide| 3e
BS| BoBS| Bastion of Broken Souls| 3e
BV| BoVD| Book of Vile Darkness| 3e
CSQ| CotSQ| City of the Spider Queen| 3e
DF| DotF| Defenders of the Faith| 3e
DD| DaD| Deities and Demigods| 3e
-| DCS| Dragonlance Campaign Setting| 3e
EA| EaE| Enemies and Allies| 3e
EL| ELH| Epic Level Handbook| 3e
FP| FaP| Faiths and Pantheons| 3e
-| FK| Festival Knight| 3e
FF| FF| Fiend Folio| 3e
FRCS| FRCS| Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting| 3e
Gh| Gw| Ghostwalk| 3e
-| IH| Icy Heart| 3e
LG| LGG| Living Greyhawk Gazetteer| 3e
LD| LoD| Lords of Darkness| 3e
Mag| MoF| Magic of Faerûn| 3e
MP| MotP| Manual of the Planes| 3e
MW| MotW| Masters of the Wild| 3e
MM2| MMII| Monster Manual II| 3e
-| MonF| Monsters of Faerûn| 3e
OA| OA| Oriental Adventures| 3e
-| PsH| Psionics Handbook| 3e
Rac| RoF| Races of Faerûn| 3e
SS| SS| Savage Species| 3e
SM| SM| Silver Marches| 3e
SaS| SaS| Song and Silence| 3e
SB| SBG| Stronghold Builder's Guide| 3e
SF| SaF| Sword and Fist| 3e
-| TSC| The Sunless Citadel| 3e
-| TaB| Tome and Blood| 3e
Una| UE| Unapproachable East| 3e
-| Dra ###| Dragon Magazine ###| Dragon Mag
-| DC| Dragon Compendium| Dragon Mag 3.5e
-| DA5| Dragon Annual #5| Dragon Mag 3e
-| FCotW| Far Corners of the World| Web
-| Gw Web| Ghostwalk Web Enhancement| Web
-| MBoF| Magic Books of Faerûn| Web
-| MC| Mintiper's Chapbook| Web
-| SM Web| Silver Marches Web Enhancement| Web
-| SpA| Spellbook Archive| Web

wotc abb my abb nameedition
An AtEoS Anauroch the Empire of Shade 3.5e
- ASH Animated Series Handbook 3.5e
BE BoED Book of Exalted Deeds 3.5e
CR CoR Champions of Ruin 3.5e
CV CoV Champions of Valor 3.5e
CSW CoSW City of Splendors: Waterdeep 3.5e
Ci Cs Cityscape 3.5e
CAd CAd Complete Adventurer 3.5e
CAr CAr Complete Arcane 3.5e
CC CC Complete Champion 3.5e
CD CD Complete Divine 3.5e
CM CM Complete Mage 3.5e
CP CP Complete Psionic 3.5e
CS CS Complete Scoundrel 3.5e
CW CW Complete Warrior 3.5e
Dr Drac Draconomicon 3.5e
DM DM Dragon Magic 3.5e
Dra Dm Dragonmarked 3.5e
DE DoE Dragons of Eberron 3.5e
DrF DoF Dragons of Faerûn 3.5e
DrU DotU Drow of the Underdark 3.5e
DMG DMG Dungeon Master's Guide 3.5e
DMG2 DMG2 Dungeon Master's Guide 2 3.5e
Du Ds Dungeonscape 3.5e
ECS ECS Eberron Campaign Setting 3.5e
EH EEH Eberron Explorer's Handbook 3.5e
ElE EE Elder Evils 3.5e
EE EoE Exemplars of Evil 3.5e
XPH XPH Expanded Psionics Handbook 3.5e
EDP EttDP Expedition to the Demonweb Pits 3.5e
EU EtU Expedition to Undermountain 3.5e
FE FoE Faiths of Eberron 3.5e
FCI FCI Fiendish Codex I 3.5e
FCI FCII Fiendish Codex II 3.5e
- 5N Five Nations 3.5e
FW FoW Forge of War 3.5e
Fr Fb Frostburn 3.5e
GHR GHotR Grand History of the Realms 3.5e
GC GotEC Grasp of the Emerald Claw 3.5e
HB HoB Heroes of Battle 3.5e
HH HoH Heroes of Horror 3.5e
LM LM Libris Mortis 3.5e
LoM LoM Lords of Madness 3.5e
LE LEoF Lost Empires of Faerûn 3.5e
MIC MIC Magic Item Compendium 3.5e
MoE MoE Magic of Eberron 3.5e
MoI MoI Magic of Incarnum 3.5e
MH MiH Miniatures Handbook 3.5e
MM MMI Monster Manual 3.5e
MM3 MMIII Monster Manual III 3.5e
MM4 MMIV Monster Manual IV 3.5e
MM5 MMV Monster Manual V 3.5e
Mys MotM Mysteries of the Moonsea 3.5e
PlH PlH Planar Handbook 3.5e
PE PGtE Player's Guide to Eberron 3.5e
PG PGtF Player's Guide to Faerûn 3.5e
PH PHB Player's Handbook 3.5e
PH2 PHB2 Player's Handbook 2 3.5e
PF PoF Power of Faerûn 3.5e
RD RoD Races of Destiny 3.5e
RE RoE Races of Eberron 3.5e
RS RoS Races of Stone 3.5e
Rdr RotD Races of the Dragon 3.5e
RW RotW Races of the Wild 3.5e
RC RC Rules Compendium 3.5e
Sa Ss Sandstorm 3.5e
- SotHH Scourge of the Howling Horde 3.5e
SoS SoS Secrets of Sarlona 3.5e
SX SoX Secrets of Xen'drik 3.5e
SK SK Serpent Kingdoms 3.5e
SL SotLW Shadows of the Last War 3.5e
Sh SCoT Sharn: City of Towers 3.5e
ShS ShS Shining South 3.5e
SpC SC Spell Compendium 3.5e
Sto Sw Stormwrack 3.5e
ToB ToB Tome of Battle 3.5e
TM ToM Tome of Magic 3.5e
- TT Twilight Tomb 3.5e
Und Und Underdark 3.5e
UA UA Unearthed Arcana 3.5e
- WoL Weapons of Legacy 3.5e
- WPM White Plume Mountain 3.5e
AE AaEG Arms and Equipment Guide 3e
BS BoBS Bastion of Broken Souls 3e
BV BoVD Book of Vile Darkness 3e
CSQ CotSQ City of the Spider Queen 3e
DF DotF Defenders of the Faith 3e
DD DaD Deities and Demigods 3e
- DCS Dragonlance Campaign Setting 3e
EA EaE Enemies and Allies 3e
EL ELH Epic Level Handbook 3e
FP FaP Faiths and Pantheons 3e
- FK Festival Knight 3e
FF FF Fiend Folio 3e
FRCS FRCS Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting 3e
Gh Gw Ghostwalk 3e
- IH Icy Heart 3e
LG LGG Living Greyhawk Gazetteer 3e
LD LoD Lords of Darkness 3e
Mag MoF Magic of Faerûn 3e
MP MotP Manual of the Planes 3e
MW MotW Masters of the Wild 3e
MM2 MMII Monster Manual II 3e
- MonF Monsters of Faerûn 3e
OA OA Oriental Adventures 3e
- PsH Psionics Handbook 3e
Rac RoF Races of Faerûn 3e
SS SS Savage Species 3e
SM SM Silver Marches 3e
SaS SaS Song and Silence 3e
SB SBG Stronghold Builder's Guide 3e
SF SaF Sword and Fist 3e
- TSC The Sunless Citadel 3e
- TaB Tome and Blood 3e
Una UE Unapproachable East 3e
- Dra ### Dragon Magazine ### Dragon Mag
- DC Dragon Compendium Dragon Mag 3.5e
- DA5 Dragon Annual #5 Dragon Mag 3e
- FCotW Far Corners of the World Web
- Gw Web Ghostwalk Web Enhancement Web
- MBoF Magic Books of Faerûn Web
- MC Mintiper's Chapbook Web
- SM Web Silver Marches Web Enhancement Web
- SpA Spellbook Archive Webwotc abb my abb nameedition


Edit: Tidied it up a bit. Edit 2: even in code tags, it's not "coding" correctly. Oh well. Edit 3: fixed some errors, made it into a table.

Only some of FR is 3.0; KoK is not WotC, nor are Dragonlance or L5R. Ghostwalk is 3.0. Greyhawk is also 3.0, although most of the supporting material for that is from drag mags, as I'm sure you're aware.

Early FR 3.5 books still have 3.0 remnants in them (partial actions, etc), so those are easily convertible back to 3.0. I think I remember some 3.0 stuff sneaking into BoED as well, although I could be mis-remembering.

Edit way later: New table format means that it now looks ugly and can't be sorted any more. Some of the forum updates were not.

[GhengisConrad]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8f/Cover_kalamarcampaign.png

KoK has the 'official dnd' signa on the cover... isn't that a decent way to judge cannon or not?

Is Dragon Magazine not considered 'official' either? Would a strict interpitation be only WotC products? Or ought Paizo products be included because of the extended licensing agreement they had...?

[GilesTheCleric]

There's "Wizards licensed" and "released by Wizards". KoK and drag mag are the former.

Edit to clarify: Here in the playground, we usually first consider wotc-released, 3.5 products-- it's easier to assume a more restrictive DM when making suggestions.

[MeiLeTeng]

Me and my cousin got married

They let you do that?

[GhengisConrad]

There's "Wizards licensed" and "released by Wizards". KoK and drag mag are the former.

What else is 3.0 Wizard licensed?

[GhengisConrad]

Here's my list of sources and their editions.

PlH PlH Planar Handbook 3e


say whhhhaaaaattttttt? Released July 2004, and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planar_Handbook begs to differ. However, as I love many things in the book, I'd love much also to discover that it is in fact 3e....

[GilesTheCleric]

As far as I'm aware, the middle range of drag mags, Greyhawk, Dragonlance, KoK, and the Ravenloft Campaign Setting. There might be others.

Blue is for sarcasm. Also, please try not to double-post ^^

Edit: I'm afb from that book, but wikipedia is never wrong.

[Kennisiou]

Planar Handbook is 3.5e, while Manual of the Planes is 3e and was released around the same time as Deities and Demigods. You can tell it's 3e by checking the inside cover, if it doesn't say "This product uses updated material from the 3.5 revision" just below the credits page then it's 3e.

Also, for licensed material not made by wizards, there's everything for the Legend of the Five Rings campaign setting except for the first book, Oriental Adventures (just like the first Dragonlance book was wizards made and the rest are just licensed). The L5R setting is entirely 3e legal iirc and there's some cool stuff in the Oriental Adventures handbook like the Wu Jen, Shaman and Shugenja classes and a version of Samurai that doesn't suck like the Complete Warrior one does.

[Totema]

I can't be sure on this, but up until now I've always thought BoED was from 3.5, not 3.0. I think it's because dndtools.eu doesn't give it's "this contains 3.0 material" disclaimer when you look at things from that book.

[Kennisiou]

I can't be sure on this, but up until now I've always thought BoED was from 3.5, not 3.0. I think it's because dndtools.eu doesn't give it's "this contains 3.0 material" disclaimer when you look at things from that book.

Huh. BoED was released after 3.5, but it doesn't have the notification at the front which is odd. It is 3.5 content even without the disclaimer at the front, maybe becauase it was a super early 3.5 book and they weren't doing that with all fo them yet. My copy of Complete Warrior doesn't have it either.

[GhengisConrad]

Planar Handbook is 3.5e, while Manual of the Planes is 3e

Thats what I thought, but when I read the 'What you need to play' portion on page 3, it was decidedly 3rd edition text:
Planar Handbook makes use of the information in the three D&D core rulebooks—Player’s Handbook, Dungeon Master’s Guide, and Monster Manual. In addition, it includes references
to material (primarily monster descriptions) from several D&D supplements, including Manual of the Planes, Monster Manual II, Fiend Folio, Draconomicon, Miniatures Handbook, Book of Exalted Deeds, Book of Vile Darkness, and
Epic Level Handbook

All exclusively 3rd edition books, unlike the 'what you need to play' in 3.5 books, which in fact, mention the 3.5 books specifically, not the 3.0 books....


if it doesn't say "This product uses updated material from the 3.5 revision" just below the credits page then it's 3e.
Can you confirm that Planar Handbook has such text? My copy is... missing... that first inside page....


As far as I'm aware, the middle range of drag mags, Greyhawk, Dragonlance, KoK, and the Ravenloft Campaign Setting. There might be others.

Blue is for sarcasm. Also, please try not to double-post ^^

Edit: I'm afb from that book, but wikipedia is never wrong.

Thanks for letting me know! Every forum has their own culture. I appreciate you helping me out.

What does afb mean?... I couldn't figure that out.
http://www.acronymfinder.com/AFB.html

[Karnith]

I know that generally July 2003 is when 3.5 came out, so Anything before then, obviously 3.0, but some stuff after is still clearly 3.0, like the Book of Exhalted Deeds, Draconomicon, etc..
Those books are 3.5, albeit early 3.5. They are not 3.0, as can be established by e.g. looking at skill names (Survival rather than Wilderness Lore/Intuit Direction). There are some 3.0 relics in those books, like the Epic Dragon section in Draconomicon that was not edited well, but they use rules reflecting the revision.

The easiest way to tell if something official is 3.0 v. 3.5 (other than looking at the content) is to check the publication dates; if it was published after the 3.5 Core books (i.e. after July 2003), then it's 3.5 material. If it was published before then, it's 3.0 content. The Book of Exalted Deeds was published in October 2003, making it early 3.5 material. The Planar Handbook was printed in July 2004, which also makes it 3.5 material.

There are some weird/grey areas, like 3.5 Mind's Eye content before the XPH was released, or the books late in 3.0's run that used 3.5 rules (like Unapproachable East) but generally publication dates are a good way to tell.

EDIT: Some minor quibbles with the list presented earlier in the thread:
Planar Handbook, as previously noted, is 3.5 (published July 2004).
Champions of Ruin (published May 2005) and Champions of Valor (November 2005) are both 3.5 material.
Dragonlance Campaign Setting was published by Wizards of the Coast, and is early 3.5 (August 2003).

What does afb mean?... I couldn't figure that out.
http://www.acronymfinder.com/AFB.html
It means Away From Book.

[GhengisConrad]

Those books are 3.5, albeit early 3.5. They are not 3.0, as can be established by e.g. looking at skill names (Survival rather than Wilderness Lore/Intuit Direction). There are some 3.0 relics in those books, like the Epic Dragon section in Draconomicon that was not edited well, but they use rules reflecting the revision.

The easiest way to tell if something official is 3.0 v. 3.5 (other than looking at the content) is to check the publication dates; if it was published after the 3.5 Core books (i.e. after July 2003), then it's 3.5 material.

I dislike this interpretation because it frustrates my plans....

[GilesTheCleric]

EDIT: Some minor quibbles with the list presented earlier in the thread:
Planar Handbook, as previously noted, is 3.5 (published July 2004).
Champions of Ruin (published May 2005) and Champions of Valor (November 2005) are both 3.5 material.
Dragonlance Campaign Setting was published by Wizards of the Coast, and is early 3.5 (August 2003).

I'll make those changes; thank you. If there's any books I missed entirely, please let me know? I'm aware that I don't have every published adventure, but I think I have all the ones with spells in them at least. I also haven't finished going through all the web stuff.



Thanks for letting me know! Every forum has their own culture. I appreciate you helping me out.

You're welcome. It's probably actually worth reading the forum guidelines (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/announcement.php?f=59&a=1), too -- the playground has some elements that most boards don't.