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Elricaltovilla
2013-12-13, 01:46 PM
Would anyone be interested in a 3.P game that combines the ToB and the PoW classes and disciplines in one awesome martial arts focused world?

I could theoretically run it, but I'd have to insist on being able to play a character too, because I really want to try out some awesome builds.

I'm thinking start at 5th level? But whatever.


THE BIG 16

1. What game system are you running (D&D, Call of Cthulu, Palladium, GURPS, etc.), and if applicable what edition (Original, Classic, Revised, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 10th, etc.)?

3.P using Pathfinder associated Skills and Feat progression

2. What 'type' or variant of game will it be (i.e. "Shadow Chasers" or "Agents of Psi" for d20 Modern)? What is the setting for the game (eg. historic period, published or homebrewed campaign setting, alternate reality, modern world, etc.)?

This will be a martial centered campaign. Don't expect to meet any Wizards, Druids, Clerics, etc. Players will be playing Tome of Battle and Path of War characters, so expect to see those classes.

3. How many Players are you looking for? Will you be taking alternates, and if so, how many?

Looking for a full party of 4-5. Since I'm DMing, but also want to be a character, I will be taking one of those slots. Sorry.

4. What's the gaming medium (OOTS, chat, e-mail etc.)?

Right on these here forums. I'd like to keep a relatively steady pace, it doesn't have to be super hectic, but I try to post 3-5 times per week.

5. What is the characters' starting status (i.e. experience level)?

We will be starting at 5th level.


6. How much gold or other starting funds will the characters begin with?
Standard WBL for 5th level characters in Pathfinder

7. Are there any particular character classes, professions, orders, etc. that you want... or do not want? What are your rules on 'prestige' and/or homebrewed classes?

Any Path of War classes or Tome of Battle Classes are approved. If there are Martial Initiator homebrew classes on the forums you would like to use, please PM me the links so I can approve them.

8. What races, subraces, species, etc. are allowed for your game? Will you allow homebrewed races or species? 'Prestige' races or species?

Any of Paizo's races are approved. I'm not making any major changes to their fluff

9. By what method should Players generate their attributes/ability scores and Hit Points?

Pathfinder 25 Pt buy, with Max HP every level, Each character has 2 traits

10. Does your game use alignment? What are your restrictions, if so?

I don't care about alignment unless it has class specific effects or you try and murder your party members

11. Do you allow multi-classing, or have any particular rules in regards to it?

As long as you stick with Martial Initiator Classes, you can multiclass just fine with no penalties. If you want to go into martial theurge classes like the Ruby Knight Vindicator or the Jade Phoenix mage, let me know. I'm also not opposed to dipping other classes for things like sneak attack, bonus feats or not sucky unarmed strike damage.

12. Will you be doing all of the die rolling during the course of the game? Will die rolls be altered, or left to the honor system? If players can make die rolls, which ones do they make, how should they make the rolls, and how should they report them?

You can make your own rolls except for ones which it'd be more expedient for me to do it, such as initiative and saves as a result of enemy effects. I reserve the right to make secret rolls as needed.

13. Are there any homebrewed or optional/variant rules that your Players should know about? If so, list and explain them, or provide relevant links to learn about these new rules.

Okay, so Path of War classes can be found here: LINK (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=308912)

Tome of Battle Characters can be found online in places I may or may not know about. For Tome of Battle Characters, we'll be using this Master Update document by Novawumson to bring you up to speed with your brethren: LINK (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1s7GQLBeyEP1FitOMikP_Kh8oRmKnzG_AKvaOPqjHqWk/edit)

14. Is a character background required? If so, how big? Are you looking for anything in particular (i.e. the backgrounds all ending up with the characters in the same city)?

All of your characters should share the same goal: To climb the Adamantine Tower and claim the power of God for yourself. Your reasons for wanting to do so are your own.

15. Does your game involve a lot of hack & slash, puzzle solving, roleplaying, or a combination of the above?

Likely all of the above, with a particular emphasis on combat.

16. Are your Players restricted to particular rulebooks and supplements, or will you be allowing access to non-standard material? What sources can Players use for their characters?
I recommend the D20pfsrd for pathfinder content: LINK (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/)

And Dndtools for 3.5 content: LINK (http://dndtools.eu/)

I'm going to be sticking to Pathfinder stuff as much as possible but I'm open to most 3.5 content if I can look it over.





LINKS TO ALL PATH OF WAR CLASSES/MATERIALS and APPROVED HOMEBREW DISCIPLINES:

Warlord (https://docs.google.com/viewer?pid=explorer&srcid=0Bxy89y2ehe4JR2MtVVJJZVRNTDQ&docid=c867dda5e63a0f5aeb9c2adf40204c36|7e122332a98 ad8b91e23e945d42e7254&chan=EQAAANJhS4F5vl3RE%2BZ0oNb/fWFr7DJZHOuT4SEUAHPslpZt&a=v&rel=zip;z1;PoW+Warlord+BETA+Release+v3.pdf)

Stalker (http://dreamscarredpress.com/dragonfly/ForumsPro/viewtopic/t=2972/finish=20/start=0.html)

Warder (http://dreamscarredpress.com/dragonfly/ForumsPro/viewtopic/t=3021/finish=20/start=0.html)

The Newest Beta Class- Harbinger (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HCtvRArIRPjcClMf5KVJrDBrkV_gBoaVFuvwA4CmCew/edit)

Organizations, Associated Disciplines, and Archetypes (http://dreamscarredpress.com/dragonfly/ForumsPro/viewtopic/p=37160.html)

Approved Homebrew Disciplines-

Kaleidoscopic Dream (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86163)


Army of One (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5710173)


NOTABLE HOUSERULES

1. Various Sundry Items- You can set aside a number of GP equal to your Character level X100 and mark it as "Various Sundry Items" If you need an item you don't currently have, you can deduct its GP cost from your VSI pool. Your GP pool can be refreshed or increased each time you level up.

2. If you are playing a Tome of Battle character, you may switch out one of your original disciplines for either an approved homebrew discipline or a Path of War discipline. Likewise, if you are playing a Path of War character, you may swap out one discipline you have for a Tome of Battle discipline or an approved homebrew discipline.

3. No such thing as Exotic Weapon Proficiency. All Exotic Weapons are Martial.

I made a table!

{TABLE]Player|Character|Character Color|Status| Approval
Kymme|Isaac, the Fallen Prince (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=737919)| |Finished|
Rokku| Wing (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=743406)| | finished|
Scow2| Tashiir Shining Star (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=738607)| | Needs Gear/Backstory|
SamBurke| Naggrund Marwolaeth (http://www.dndsheets.net/view.php?id=60787)| |Unknown|
Elricaltovilla| Alric (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=735173)| | Finished|
Machineking| Talathiel (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=738096)| |Finished|
Vanitas|Stalker?| |Rough Concept|
Dusk_Eclipse|Stalker?| |Rough Concept
[/TABLE]

Elricaltovilla
2013-12-13, 09:07 PM
Bump for hopefullness

Kymme
2013-12-14, 01:34 AM
I'd be in. So very very in on something like this.

Elricaltovilla
2013-12-15, 11:27 AM
Well, we have one interested party, if there's anyone else I'd be glad to have you join, and I can still take on the duties of running it if necessary.

mistformsquirrl
2013-12-15, 11:41 AM
I am intrigued, pending the 16 and a DM. Would probably play a Warblade or Swordsage, not sure which though.

Nyan
2013-12-18, 12:02 PM
Posting for interest (as a player) If we can find a gm.

Elricaltovilla
2013-12-18, 12:09 PM
So since we have enough to form a party, let me pose this question again:

I'd be willing to DM the game if no one has a problem with me submitting a character to play as well. I'm aware of the dangers of DM PCs, my RL group is small enough that in order to play regularly we have to have a DM PC (we rotate DMs every couple of sessions) so I promise not to hog the spotlight, I mostly just want to punch monsters.

Provided none of you have a problem with a DM PC, I'll post a 16 and begin accepting character submissions in earnest. otherwise I'll begin the task of looking for a DM.

Kymme
2013-12-18, 12:32 PM
I've got no problems with a DMPC. However, are there any homebrew martial classes we could try out, or would you rather us stick withe POW and TOB six?

Nyan
2013-12-18, 12:48 PM
Alright no objections here. I would like a link to those the pow and tob if you are able as well so I can look up the classes and so forth.

Elricaltovilla
2013-12-18, 12:48 PM
I've got no problems with a DMPC. However, are there any homebrew martial classes we could try out, or would you rather us stick withe POW and TOB six?

Well, that'll probably be answered in the big 16, but I am finishing up a homebrewed TOB/POW class, and I doubt it'd look good on me if I didn't approve my own work. :smallbiggrin:

But if there's a homebrew class you really want to use, PM me the link and I'll look it over. The same goes for homebrewed disciplines.


Alright no objections here. I would like a link to those the pow and tob if you are able as well so I can look up the classes and so forth.

Here is a link to the Path of War Playtest Classes: LINK (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=308912)

As for the Tome of Battle classes, I don't think I can link them directly for you except for the Warblade which is available for free online at this link: LINK (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20060802a&page=2)

Nyan
2013-12-18, 01:06 PM
Well I guess ill wait with getting a character started until the 16 are posted.

Tho my general concept is going to be a ronin samurai on the path to redemption. I know im sooo original but whatever x3

Elricaltovilla
2013-12-18, 01:20 PM
Big 16 is up!

Nyan
2013-12-18, 02:09 PM
Okay I am horribly confused now....There seems to be like a million files and **** for path of war. And are we talking about the 3.5 book tome of battle? Or something else?

Kymme
2013-12-18, 02:19 PM
Noice! How does an exiled warrior prince with a bit of a Germanic feel sound?

Would (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5710173) these (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=191693) disciplines (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169940) be alright? The third one isn't that integral, but it is hilarious.

Elricaltovilla
2013-12-18, 02:22 PM
Okay I am horribly confused now....There seems to be like a million files and **** for path of war. And are we talking about the 3.5 book tome of battle? Or something else?

Path of War is a 3rd party addition to the Pathfinder RPG that introduces new classes based on the maneuver system of the Time of Battle from 3.5. Its still technically in beta, but the preoder and some PDFs have been released.

And yes we're talking about ToB from 3.5 I'm not sure I know of any other Tome of Battle in D%D. Part of why I'm doing this is to compare the two sets of classes.

Nyan
2013-12-18, 03:13 PM
I might be wrong but I think I have seen some homebrew stuff for tome of battle that included some changes and updates. Here on the forums. They included new classes one being "Sohei" That I was interested to play as.

I actually found it now. Here is the link. http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10640876#post10640876

Machinekng
2013-12-18, 04:13 PM
I didn't actually know that Dreamscarred was doing a Tome of Battle remake in the same vein as their Psionics series, until I saw one of your threads in the homebrew forums. Now, I'm really excited for this series and I'd love to try out one of the new Path of War classes.

I was thinking of playing a Warder, focusing on the Warrior-Scholar aspect, using a mixture of the Iron Palisade and Primal Fury disciplines.

Elricaltovilla
2013-12-18, 04:24 PM
I didn't actually know that Dreamscarred was doing a Tome of Battle remake in the same vein as their Psionics series, until I saw one of your threads in the homebrew forums. Now, I'm really excited for this series and I'd love to try out one of the new Path of War classes.

I was thinking of playing a Warder, focusing on the Warrior-Scholar aspect, using a mixture of the Iron Palisade and Primal Fury disciplines.

Its an amazing project with a lot of great material. I'm glad I can help spread the word.

Sardonik
2013-12-18, 04:48 PM
This looks amazing.

I think I'll produce me a shield-user, if you are still taking applicants.

mistformsquirrl
2013-12-18, 05:00 PM
I'm going to have to back out all, sorry <>,<> And good luck!

Kymme
2013-12-18, 05:02 PM
Hey, Elricaltovilla. Any opinion on the three disciplines I posted?

Elricaltovilla
2013-12-18, 06:47 PM
Hey, Elricaltovilla. Any opinion on the three disciplines I posted?

Army of one I'm personally fine with but not the other two. The revamp of stone dragon is nice but I don't want to mess with already published disciplines if I can avoid it.

Nyan
2013-12-18, 07:01 PM
Army of one I'm personally fine with but not the other two. The revamp of stone dragon is nice but I don't want to mess with already published disciplines if I can avoid it.

What do you think about what I posted earlier then? The classes there you could use with the Tome of battle. By just tweaking them a bit. It gives you instructions on how to do so.

Elricaltovilla
2013-12-18, 08:26 PM
What do you think about what I posted earlier then? The classes there you could use with the Tome of battle. By just tweaking them a bit. It gives you instructions on how to do so.

I'm reluctant to turn down good quality homebrew but I'd like to stick to actual published classes.

Kymme
2013-12-18, 09:23 PM
Army of one I'm personally fine with but not the other two. The revamp of stone dragon is nice but I don't want to mess with already published disciplines if I can avoid it.

Alright. I can understand your reasoning.

Here (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=737919) is my character, completed save for fluffy stuff and spending that last 300 gp. Anything I might be missing?

Machinekng
2013-12-18, 10:02 PM
Talathiel, Son of None (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=738096) is also complete, save for backstory and some surplus gold.

Scow2
2013-12-19, 01:15 AM
Ooh, this looks fun.

Unfortunately, I don't have Path of War, so I'll have to use the Book of Nine Swords.

I think I'll try a Catfolk Crusader, or Gnoll Warblade. I'd love to try a Catfolk Stalker, but some idiot over on Paizo decided that the race that has one of the strongest bonds to nature and Ranger/rogue-like behavior needed a penalty to that class archetype's primary attribute.

Or catfolk Sorcerer/Crusader/Jade Phoenix Mage (Stupid Sorcerer gimped casting punting me back a level, making me strictly Sorcerer4/Crusader1 >.<) ...how do I handle the loss of the Concentration skill, and does the Jade Phoenix Mage get an HD boost to d10 for Pathfinder like the Eldrich Knight did?

My intended progression is Sorcerer 4/Crusader2/JPM X

... ooh. Can I have the Faithful Avenger?

Simba
2013-12-19, 07:04 AM
This looks interesting :)

I have never played a ToB or PoW character before, though. Is there a way to get a decent fencer out of it? I have this vision of a character like Sean Connery in Highlander, someone using a light, one-handed weapon to great effect.

Dapperatchik
2013-12-19, 07:52 AM
Posting definite interest. Will flesh out my ideas later today.

Machinekng
2013-12-19, 10:06 AM
Ooh, this looks fun.

Unfortunately, I don't have Path of War, so I'll have to use the Book of Nine Swords.


Let me just point out that the Path of War playtests are free, and are available through the link the DM provided.

Elricaltovilla
2013-12-19, 10:22 AM
Alright. I can understand your reasoning.

Here (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=737919) is my character, completed save for fluffy stuff and spending that last 300 gp. Anything I might be missing?

Your character looks great.


Talathiel, Son of None (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=738096) is also complete, save for backstory and some surplus gold.

Also looks great.

For those of you with a little bit of surplus gold, I'm considering implementing a house rule I use from time to time. I call it the "Various Sundry Items" rule. Basically you put an amount of gold of up to Your Level X100 aside, and mark it as "various sundry items" on your inventory sheet. Then if you find yourself in need of a mundane or slightly magical item (healing potions/wands for example) which you don't have, you just deduct the value of that item from the gold you put aside. Fun yes?


Ooh, this looks fun.

Unfortunately, I don't have Path of War, so I'll have to use the Book of Nine Swords.

I think I'll try a Catfolk Crusader, or Gnoll Warblade. I'd love to try a Catfolk Stalker, but some idiot over on Paizo decided that the race that has one of the strongest bonds to nature and Ranger/rogue-like behavior needed a penalty to that class archetype's primary attribute.

Or catfolk Sorcerer/Crusader/Jade Phoenix Mage (Stupid Sorcerer gimped casting punting me back a level, making me strictly Sorcerer4/Crusader1 >.<) ...how do I handle the loss of the Concentration skill, and does the Jade Phoenix Mage get an HD boost to d10 for Pathfinder like the Eldrich Knight did?

My intended progression is Sorcerer 4/Crusader2/JPM X

... ooh. Can I have the Faithful Avenger?

JPM is pretty awesome, and paizo did kind of mess up the catfolk in that regard I agree.

About changing JPM: The HD boost is fine, and you can use Sense Motive in place of Concentration (if it isn't already a class skill, add it to the Crusader's class skill list).

As for Faithful Avenger, PM me and we can discuss it.


This looks interesting :)

I have never played a ToB or PoW character before, though. Is there a way to get a decent fencer out of it? I have this vision of a character like Sean Connery in Highlander, someone using a light, one-handed weapon to great effect.

For such a character I'd recommend either a Warblade focusing on Diamond Mind/Iron Heart maneuvers if you want to go with Tome of Battle, or a Warlord focusing on Scarlet Throne/Primal Fury. You can pretty easily fit a third discipline of your choice into either setup.

Scow2
2013-12-19, 11:07 AM
JPM is pretty awesome, and paizo did kind of mess up the catfolk in that regard I agree.

About changing JPM: The HD boost is fine, and you can use Sense Motive in place of Concentration (if it isn't already a class skill, add it to the Crusader's class skill list).

As for Faithful Avenger, PM me and we can discuss it.Eww... I don't like Sense Motive. Can't I use Acrobatics(Key skill for Desert Wind) or Intimidate (Key skill for Devoted Spirit) instead?

Elricaltovilla
2013-12-19, 11:10 AM
Eww... I don't like Sense Motive. Can't I use Acrobatics(Key skill for Desert Wind) or Intimidate (Key skill for Devoted Spirit) instead?

Nope, they don't really fit the theme of Diamond Mind. You can have Autohypnosis or Perception instead if you like.

Scow2
2013-12-19, 11:12 AM
Nope, they don't really fit the theme of Diamond Mind. You can have Autohypnosis or Perception instead if you like.
But the Jade Phoenix Mage is tied to Desert Wind and Devoted Spirit, not Diamond Mind!

... but Autohypnosis is cool, and fits the Concentration fluff.

Elricaltovilla
2013-12-19, 11:18 AM
But the Jade Phoenix Mage is tied to Desert Wind and Devoted Spirit, not Diamond Mind!

... but Autohypnosis is cool, and fits the Concentration fluff.

Ok, wait... are you talking about the concentration checks for casting spells and stuff? Cuz that's just a caster level check in Pathfinder.

Scow2
2013-12-19, 11:49 AM
Ok, wait... are you talking about the concentration checks for casting spells and stuff? Cuz that's just a caster level check in Pathfinder.I'm talking the Concentration ranks required to get into Jade Phoenix Mage (But I can assume they're reduced by 3?)

Elricaltovilla
2013-12-19, 11:54 AM
I'm talking the Concentration ranks required to get into Jade Phoenix Mage (But I can assume they're reduced by 3?)

Ah. Clearly the work week has been wearing me thin. I'd say go ahead and use acrobatics or intimidate in that case (since they're the associated discipline skills). I apologize if I sounded confusing and flip floppy.

Nyan
2013-12-19, 12:45 PM
Im sorry but things have come up and I deem I do not really have time to join a new campaign. So you can count me out. Good luck all of you.

Scow2
2013-12-19, 01:28 PM
... I'm trying to figure out what spells to grab my sorcerer/Crusader... I think that, despite only one level, the Sorc is playing second fiddle to the Crusader (Of course, the Martyr bloodline helps that)

So far, my 1st-level spells are:
Resist Energy (For damage mitigation)
False Life (More hitpoints, because my AC sucks and I get bonuses for being hurt)
Protection from Evil (Always a nice spell to have, serving as Least Mind Blank and a good defensive buff)

And, I grabbed Flame Arc as my second-level spell, though Scorching Ray would probably be better (But doesn't get powered up)

...then again, I should probably trade False Life away because I have the Stone Power feat, allowing me to get Temp HP through what amounts to Power Attacking.

I'm not sure whether I should try to grab True Strike or not, given that it costs a standard action to activate... but could be VERY nice in a pinch.

My feats are Power Attack, Avenging Strike, and Stone Power. My maneuvers are Stone Bones, Crusader's Strike, Mountain Hammer, Vanguard Strike, and Battle Leader's Charge.

Stance is the piddly healing one that really needs to scale with IL.

Any suggestions to improve my functionality?

Kymme
2013-12-19, 02:37 PM
For those of you with a little bit of surplus gold, I'm considering implementing a house rule I use from time to time. I call it the "Various Sundry Items" rule. Basically you put an amount of gold of up to Your Level X100 aside, and mark it as "various sundry items" on your inventory sheet. Then if you find yourself in need of a mundane or slightly magical item (healing potions/wands for example) which you don't have, you just deduct the value of that item from the gold you put aside. Fun yes?

That sounds good to me!

@Machinekng: I think your Warder should have 80 hit points, rather than 58. We do gain max hp every level.

Machinekng
2013-12-19, 02:54 PM
That sounds good to me!

@Machinekng: I think your Warder should have 80 hit points, rather than 58. We do gain max hp every level.

Thanks for letting me know. It looks like some of the changes I made didn't get saved. I'll fix that right away. I'll probably leave the rest of my gold as sundry.

Kymme
2013-12-19, 03:26 PM
Thanks for letting me know. It looks like some of the changes I made didn't get saved. I'll fix that right away. I'll probably leave the rest of my gold as sundry.

Happy to help! :smallsmile:

Also, Elricaltovilla: What is your stance on Warheart Weapons (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5580531)?

Elricaltovilla
2013-12-19, 05:21 PM
Happy to help! :smallsmile:

Also, Elricaltovilla: What is your stance on Warheart Weapons (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5580531)?

I think they're a very cool but potentially incomplete idea. To that end I'm going to say "not right now, but I may introduce something similar later"

Its worth noting that thanks to the Master Craftsman feat you don't need to be a wizard to make magical items anymore.

Rokku
2013-12-20, 03:28 AM
Holy **** yes this

I don't know what I'd make yet

but this

yes

this

Gonna go Warlord! Called Shot, Acrobatic, and Brave Gambits! Wheeee

Kymme
2013-12-20, 09:39 PM
Isaac, the Fallen Prince (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=737919), is finished.

Elricaltovilla
2013-12-21, 12:40 PM
I made a table!

{TABLE]Player|Character|Character Color|Status| Approval
Kymme|Isaac, the Fallen Prince (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=737919)| |Finished|
Rokku| Archer Warlord?| | Rough Concept|
Scow2| Tashiir Shining Star (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=738607)| | Needs Gear/Backstory|
Simba| Unknown| |Unknown|
Elricaltovilla| Alric (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=735173)| | Finished|
Machineking| Talathiel (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=738096)| |Finished|
[/TABLE]

Dusk Eclipse
2013-12-21, 02:29 PM
Sounds fun, if I can still apply I'm in the mood for a thrashing dragon /veiled moon focused stalker. Sadly I won't be able to work on it till Monday morning (darn vacations, cuting into my RPG time :smalltongue:)

Elricaltovilla
2013-12-21, 03:28 PM
Sounds fun, if I can still apply I'm in the mood for a thrashing dragon /veiled moon focused stalker. Sadly I won't be able to work on it till Monday morning (darn vacations, cuting into my RPG time :smalltongue:)

There's still room, and we don't have a Stalker yet, so go right ahead.

Scow2
2013-12-21, 10:46 PM
My sheet. I need gear, though.

http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=738607

Rokku
2013-12-22, 03:05 AM
Well I was gonna do almost exactly what Kymme did so back to the drawing board!

Ooh could I use... The Sentai? (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=264677)

And maybe Kaleidescopic Dream? (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86163)

The-Mage-King
2013-12-22, 04:01 AM
....Seeing as Rokku just pointed me to this, I'd like to get in on this FUN as well. Probably something like Paladin/Sentai (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=264677), too, looking at what there is to work with.


And yeah, I'd grab PoW Disciplines on top of Iron Heart. Maybe trade it out for one, even.

Think Slow, Steady, and Durable.

Elricaltovilla
2013-12-22, 12:33 PM
Well I was gonna do almost exactly what Kymme did so back to the drawing board!

Ooh could I use... The Sentai? (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=264677)

And maybe Kaleidescopic Dream? (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86163)

I'm not allowing homebrew classes (not even my own at this point), but I'll read through Kaleidescopic Dream and get back to you.


....Seeing as Rokku just pointed me to this, I'd like to get in on this FUN as well. Probably something like Paladin/Sentai (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=264677), too, looking at what there is to work with.


And yeah, I'd grab PoW Disciplines on top of Iron Heart. Maybe trade it out for one, even.

Think Slow, Steady, and Durable.

As I said above, not gonna allow Homebrew classes, although I will allow disciplines on a case by case basis.

The-Mage-King
2013-12-22, 12:50 PM
As I said above, not gonna allow Homebrew classes, although I will allow disciplines on a case by case basis.

Alrighty, then.


Hmmm..... How do you feel about non-PoW/ToB classes that make use of the Martial Training feats?

Elricaltovilla
2013-12-22, 01:14 PM
Alrighty, then.


Hmmm..... How do you feel about non-PoW/ToB classes that make use of the Martial Training feats?

I'd like to keep Martial Initiating as a major focus of the campaign, but if you can provide a character that makes good use of those feats I'm ok with it.

EDIT: I'll allow use of Kaleidoscopic Dream

Rokku
2013-12-23, 04:18 AM
Having *just* seen the Harbinger for the first time, I call it! It looks super creepy and neat.

Vanitas
2013-12-23, 06:44 AM
I want to try a Stalker for this.

Dusk Eclipse
2013-12-23, 07:50 PM
I am considering using Dragonsplits (MM IV or V) as my main weapons, and I was wondering if they would be usable with Piranha Strike, the weapons are one-handed, but the count as light for Weapon finesse and TWF so I'd like a ruling on that.

Elricaltovilla
2013-12-23, 08:22 PM
I am considering using Dragonsplits (MM IV or V) as my main weapons, and I was wondering if they would be usable with Piranha Strike, the weapons are one-handed, but the count as light for Weapon finesse and TWF so I'd like a ruling on that.

Yeah they'd be use able with piranha strike in the same way as they are with weapon finesse.

Dusk Eclipse
2013-12-23, 08:32 PM
Great, I won't be able to get piranha strike at character creation though, unless flaws are allowed (are they?)

Edit: I just notice, are there any suggestion for Favoured class bonus?

Elricaltovilla
2013-12-23, 08:38 PM
Great, I won't be able to get piranha strike at character creation though, unless flaws are allowed (are they?)

No flaws, sorry.

Rokku
2013-12-24, 01:34 AM
Harbinger is really kooky, you guys.

Elricaltovilla
2013-12-24, 01:59 AM
Harbinger is really kooky, you guys.

Yes, yes it is. Its the first beta release for it though. It'll probably get cleaned up some soon.

Rokku
2013-12-24, 02:13 AM
Yes, yes it is. Its the first beta release for it though. It'll probably get cleaned up some soon.

Certainly, yeah. I already posted some stuff in the beta thread for it.

Mostly that Water Dweller NEEDS a more metal name. I have recommended "Murmaider".

Elricaltovilla
2013-12-24, 02:58 AM
Announcement: I am giving everyone until January 2nd to finalize your character sheets and submit them.

The-Mage-King
2013-12-24, 04:33 AM
So, I'm looking at things, and...


Would it be alright to swap a few disciplines on a ToB class for suitable ones from PoW?

Rokku
2013-12-24, 04:58 AM
So, I'm looking at things, and...


Would it be alright to swap a few disciplines on a ToB class for suitable ones from PoW?

I second that question! Harbinger might be a little too raw for me. I'm considering Swordsage instead.

Elricaltovilla
2013-12-24, 11:22 AM
So, I'm looking at things, and...


Would it be alright to swap a few disciplines on a ToB class for suitable ones from PoW?

I can't think of any logical reason why I would say no, but out of a concern for preserving the natural appearance of the classes, I'm going to say you can only swap one such discipline.

Rokku
2013-12-28, 03:47 AM
As nobody else who said they were making a stalker has shown up with one and I've been bouncing concepts around a lot, I present: Wing (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=743406).

Wing is a tempestuous young (for an Aasimar) plumekith who travels the countryside fighting injustices and righting wrongs. Stories are whispered among oppressed peasantry and deseprate slaves of the silver angel who appears when she's needed most, striking down the cruel masters with gleaming steel talons. And as quickly as she arrives she disappears, leaving only memories of soft violet feathers and warm amber eyes in the hearts of those she helped.

The stories are exaggerated of course, but Wing does always try to help where she's needed and has no patience for tyrants. Her "steel talons" are a pair of tri-bladed katar that she did in fact choose because they remind her of garuda talons, feeling natural in her hands. And there's a lot more prep work in her "sudden appearances" than those she rescues often know of.

The stories also leave out that she laughs easily, can never remember the words to a song but can always hum the tune, and is getting tired of the lone avenger schtick. She'd really like to find some companions, they'd make smiting injustice less lonely.

Wing is a lean, pretty plumekith aasimar. Her skin is a soft, muted silver, marked by occaisional battle scars. Her garuda blood is made clear by her amber eagle-like eyes and the array of violet feathers that adorn her head in the place of hair. She generally travels in stury, comfortable clothes, and often wears a lightweight stealth suit beneath them -- just in case.

Rokku
2013-12-28, 04:03 AM
So, now that I know you get +2 to DCs with discipline weapons free, I'm tempted away from my original choice of light picks. Elricaltovilla, would you be willing to give me Tri-Bladed Katars as a martial weapon? They are 100% identical to Light Picks except they're light blades and inexplicably exotic.

Elricaltovilla
2013-12-28, 12:00 PM
So, now that I know you get +2 to DCs with discipline weapons free, I'm tempted away from my original choice of light picks. Elricaltovilla, would you be willing to give me Tri-Bladed Katars as a martial weapon? They are 100% identical to Light Picks except they're light blades and inexplicably exotic.

I hate the concept of exotic weapons in general, it makes no room for cultural differences and limits DM creativity (and exotic weapons aren't that much better) so I think what I'll do is ignore that exotic weapon proficiency exists. All exotic weapons are considered martial from now on. Go crazy everybody.

Rokku
2013-12-28, 05:46 PM
wheee stabbiiiiings

SamBurke
2013-12-29, 05:58 PM
Is this still open for recruitment?

Elricaltovilla
2013-12-29, 06:47 PM
Is this still open for recruitment?

Until January 2nd at 11:59 pm GMT -4.

Although it might be open a little longer since I sent my laptop off to get a new solid state hard drive put in. Merry Christmas to me! :smallbiggrin:

SamBurke
2013-12-29, 07:54 PM
I'll throw together a Bushi, then... Saw the super-speed stabbing, and I couldn't say no! If you're alright with it, that is.

If I get the OK, I make a fifth level char by tomorrow, probably. I hope. :smallbiggrin:

Elricaltovilla
2013-12-29, 08:37 PM
I'll throw together a Bushi, then... Saw the super-speed stabbing, and I couldn't say no! If you're alright with it, that is.

If I get the OK, I make a fifth level char by tomorrow, probably. I hope. :smallbiggrin:

Gah. You had to make it difficult for me didn't you? I keep going back and forth about homebrew classes and had kind of settled on not allowing them. But you want to use MY homebrew in MY game and what kind of a message would it send about my homebrew if even I didn't allow it?:smalltongue:

...Yeah you can use the bushi, but I need to tweak some of the high level maneuvers still (7+) so you have been warned.

SamBurke
2013-12-29, 09:10 PM
Gah. You had to make it difficult for me didn't you? I keep going back and forth about homebrew classes and had kind of settled on not allowing them. But you want to use MY homebrew in MY game and what kind of a message would it send about my homebrew if even I didn't allow it?:smalltongue:

...Yeah you can use the bushi, but I need to tweak some of the high level maneuvers still (7+) so you have been warned.

I'll probably choose Iron Heart Surge for 3rd level anyway, so you'll have a few levels to perfect that sort of thing :smallwink:. But thanks! It will be done as fast as I can make it happen! Are there any other things I should know about the class?

Elricaltovilla
2013-12-29, 09:20 PM
I'll probably choose Iron Heart Surge for 3rd level anyway, so you'll have a few levels to perfect that sort of thing :smallwink:. But thanks! It will be done as fast as I can make it happen! Are there any other things I should know about the class?

You don't need to have settled on your Ancestral Oath before the game starts if you don't want to. But when your character makes their oath, the specufi s of it are up to an agreement between DM and player. So we'll have to discuss it.

I'm excited to see how you play the class!

SamBurke
2013-12-29, 09:41 PM
You don't need to have settled on your Ancestral Oath before the game starts if you don't want to. But when your character makes their oath, the specufi s of it are up to an agreement between DM and player. So we'll have to discuss it.

I'm excited to see how you play the class!

Right now, I'm thinking of going as fast as I can, so I may use feats to take Shadow Hand abilities, *if* you're OK with that. Something about a teleport-stab is pretty epic.

And my Oath... hm. I think I know what it will be already. I'm getting major Psycho-stabby Dr. Who vibes off of the character right now. :smallbiggrin:

EDIT: Some questions about how you're rolling with the PF/ToB-ness.
-Concentration is the key skill for Diamond Mind. The linked Google Doc says the DM has discretion amongst various good skills (Sense Motive/AutoHypnosis are mentioned), so I'm wondering what you change it to?
-More to come, as I work through Char Gen, possibly.

Elricaltovilla
2013-12-29, 10:07 PM
Right now, I'm thinking of going as fast as I can, so I may use feats to take Shadow Hand abilities, *if* you're OK with that. Something about a teleport-stab is pretty epic.

And my Oath... hm. I think I know what it will be already. I'm getting major Psycho-stabby Dr. Who vibes off of the character right now. :smallbiggrin:

EDIT: Some questions about how you're rolling with the PF/ToB-ness.
-Concentration is the key skill for Diamond Mind. The linked Google Doc says the DM has discretion amongst various good skills (Sense Motive/AutoHypnosis are mentioned), so I'm wondering what you change it to?
-More to come, as I work through Char Gen, possibly.

That is a very different interpretation of the class than I expected but I support it.

Sense motive will be used for diamond mind maneuvers. You're going to have to choose between the PoW and ToB sets of disciplines, no mixing and matching there. Except via, feats, I mean.

SamBurke
2013-12-29, 10:30 PM
That is a very different interpretation of the class than I expected but I support it.

Sense motive will be used for diamond mind maneuvers. You're going to have to choose between the PoW and ToB sets of disciplines, no mixing and matching there. Except via, feats, I mean.

Understood. I'm more familiar with ToB, so I'll start there... But I will be looking through those PDFs, and possibly using PoW elsewhere son! :nale:

Well, that's more the character than the class. I took my understanding of the class (fast movement because of Honor and Dedication, pure mind), then answered my question of "Why would someone do this?" to end up with a character trying to use honor to erase his past. Naggrund's Oath will be something along the lines of, "Kill 10 evil creatures for every good person killed in [unexplained tragedy/rage moment/accident of childhood]" or such.

Another question: The Honesty Bushido gives Discern Lies... what's the DC for that calculated from?

Elricaltovilla
2013-12-29, 10:50 PM
DC should be based on caster level equal to initiator level and using wisdom as a key stat.

SamBurke
2013-12-29, 11:12 PM
DC should be based on caster level equal to initiator level and using wisdom as a key stat.

So a Level 5 Bushi with 18 Wisdom would have a DC of 19, or of 17?

Also, do you allow "trading down" of actions? IE, trading a Standard Action for an additional Move Action (OK by RAW), as well as the far more important Move to Swift Action? I've got a lot of Swift Action abilities, and I'll be switching stances a lot, too.

Elricaltovilla
2013-12-29, 11:44 PM
So a Level 5 Bushi with 18 Wisdom would have a DC of 19, or of 17?

Also, do you allow "trading down" of actions? IE, trading a Standard Action for an additional Move Action (OK by RAW), as well as the far more important Move to Swift Action? I've got a lot of Swift Action abilities, and I'll be switching stances a lot, too.

19.

I didn't know trading down like that wasn't allowed by RAW so I guess I see no reason to not keep using that houserule. Standard >Move>Swift just like that yes?

SamBurke
2013-12-30, 12:23 AM
19.

I didn't know trading down like that wasn't allowed by RAW so I guess I see no reason to not keep using that houserule. Standard >Move>Swift just like that yes?

Gotcha. Now on the sheet.

I thought it was totally RAW, too, but a very smart DM of mine said it wasn't, though maybe that was in 3.5 instead of Pathfinder.

Anyway, here is Naggrund Marwolaeth (http://www.dndsheets.net/view.php?id=60787)! He's without the fun stuff of character creation, like backstory and personality, but he's complete for all of his mechanics.

Scow2
2013-12-30, 01:21 AM
Will my Delayed Damage Pool and related ability be based on Initiator Level, or purely Crusader Level? I think I invested too much interest/reliance on using it for damage mitigation and benefit.

Elricaltovilla
2013-12-30, 01:26 AM
Will my Delayed Damage Pool and related ability be based on Initiator Level, or purely Crusader Level? I think I invested too much interest/reliance on using it for damage mitigation and benefit.

Initiator level.

SamBurke
2013-12-30, 11:09 AM
I was reading over the thread, and I realized that you may not want me to do homebrew, even if yours. So I'd be willing to make a different character (Maybe a Harbinger?) if you would prefer that.

The-Mage-King
2013-12-30, 01:04 PM
Alright, I've finally had time to work on my sheet.


I'm wanting to slap on some Incarnum to make my character a bit more... Well, interesting and different than the others, as well as getting the toys it brings.

Would you be alright with Incarnate 2/Warblade X for classes, and me trading the Human "Skilled" trait for a point of Essentia? In effect, I want to go with an updated version of the Azurin race, but it's just a convenience thing.


Oh, and naturally I'll probably pick up a few Incarnum feats as well. More Essentia, likely.

Elricaltovilla
2013-12-30, 05:36 PM
I was reading over the thread, and I realized that you may not want me to do homebrew, even if yours. So I'd be willing to make a different character (Maybe a Harbinger?) if you would prefer that.

I guess its too late for me to have a problem with it now. If you want to change out its fine with me.


Alright, I've finally had time to work on my sheet.


I'm wanting to slap on some Incarnum to make my character a bit more... Well, interesting and different than the others, as well as getting the toys it brings.

Would you be alright with Incarnate 2/Warblade X for classes, and me trading the Human "Skilled" trait for a point of Essentia? In effect, I want to go with an updated version of the Azurin race, but it's just a convenience thing.


Oh, and naturally I'll probably pick up a few Incarnum feats as well. More Essentia, likely.

Yeah that's fine.

SamBurke
2013-12-30, 06:29 PM
I guess its too late for me to have a problem with it now. If you want to change out its fine with me.


I'm leaving for a trip on Wednesday, but I might could build a different character, perhaps a harbinger, by tomorrow.

If that doesn't work, I have a swordsage of 3rd level that I could boost up pretty fast.

Elricaltovilla
2013-12-31, 02:13 AM
I'm leaving for a trip on Wednesday, but I might could build a different character, perhaps a harbinger, by tomorrow.

If that doesn't work, I have a swordsage of 3rd level that I could boost up pretty fast.

Well I've already gone ahead and approved your Bushi so if you want to use him you can.

SamBurke
2013-12-31, 11:27 AM
Well I've already gone ahead and approved your Bushi so if you want to use him you can.

Ah, thanks! My schedule's looking hectic anyway. You shall not regret it, I swear this! :smallsmile:

Elricaltovilla
2013-12-31, 12:05 PM
Since I have six basically complete characters for this game already, and that's one more than I originally wanted to go with, if your character sheet is done (save backstory) consider yourself approved for play. I'll give you to the end of the week to finalize everything and get stuff up and running for me, then we can begin.

So for clarity's sake the approved players are: Kymme, Rokku, Scow2, SamBurke, Machineking, and myself.

SamBurke
2013-12-31, 12:59 PM
Since I have six basically complete characters for this game already, and that's one more than I originally wanted to go with, if your character sheet is done (save backstory) consider yourself approved for play. I'll give you to the end of the week to finalize everything and get stuff up and running for me, then we can begin.

So for clarity's sake the approved players are: Kymme, Rokku, Scow2, SamBurke, Machineking, and myself.
Alright! Let's do this, guys! This'll be an epic game, methinks.

Scow2
2013-12-31, 02:10 PM
... I'm still shopping for my character. So many choices!

I'm down to 2,100 GP, but only have 3 things (Sword, Cloak, Backpack). Not sure what to get for a Sorcerer/Crusader. At least I don't need armor! (Even if it means my AC is 13)

SamBurke
2013-12-31, 04:51 PM
... I'm still shopping for my character. So many choices!

I'm down to 2,100 GP, but only have 3 things (Sword, Cloak, Backpack). Not sure what to get for a Sorcerer/Crusader. At least I don't need armor! (Even if it means my AC is 13)

Same for me. I've got an extra 3.9k that I'm working on dealing with... maybe some more armor? Dunno. Does anyone have some general party healing at the moment?

The-Mage-King
2013-12-31, 05:43 PM
Well, I hope you guys have fun, since I was counting on the old deadline to make it.

Keep me in mind for when someone inevitably drops, 'k?

Scow2
2014-01-06, 12:45 AM
What happened to this?

I finished all the crunch of my character, but just found another bull**** reason to hate 3.P - What the hell is with the unnecessary skill check tasks just to use basic items, such as DC 20 Spellcraft to use Rings of Spell Knowledge (Which are only available to spontaneous casters, who lack the INT synergy to invest in Spellcraft)?

Elricaltovilla
2014-01-06, 01:33 AM
What happened to this?

I finished all the crunch of my character, but just found another bull**** reason to hate 3.P - What the hell is with the unnecessary skill check tasks just to use basic items, such as DC 20 Spellcraft to use Rings of Spell Knowledge (Which are only available to spontaneous casters, who lack the INT synergy to invest in Spellcraft)?

My computer is currently being serviced. I can either post from my phone or from my tablet which lacks a non-screen based keyboard. I am waiting on a keyboard/case to be shipped to me but it hasn't arrived yet.

Since both my posting options are pretty sub par right now I haven't put up the OC and IC threads yet. Please be patient.

SamBurke
2014-01-06, 02:00 AM
I dunno... I'm still here, though. Check in for everyone else?

Machinekng
2014-01-06, 02:22 AM
I'm here. The only change I've made to my character sheet is that I replaced my exotic weapon proficiency feat with another feat, as per your rules on exotic weapons.

Elricaltovilla
2014-01-06, 02:32 AM
I dunno... I'm still here, though. Check in for everyone else?

I'm not seeing a backstory on your sheet FYI

Rokku
2014-01-06, 04:05 AM
What happened to this?

I finished all the crunch of my character, but just found another bull**** reason to hate 3.P - What the hell is with the unnecessary skill check tasks just to use basic items, such as DC 20 Spellcraft to use Rings of Spell Knowledge (Which are only available to spontaneous casters, who lack the INT synergy to invest in Spellcraft)?

Those are the Spellcraft DCs required to *make* those items, not use them.

Scow2
2014-01-09, 12:36 AM
Those are the Spellcraft DCs required to *make* those items, not use them.

The ring I'm looking at explicitly requires a DC 20 Spellcraft check to put spells in it. So, I had to get rid of my Autohypnosis skill to grab Spellcraft instead :(.

Rokku
2014-01-09, 08:57 AM
The ring I'm looking at explicitly requires a DC 20 Spellcraft check to put spells in it. So, I had to get rid of my Autohypnosis skill to grab Spellcraft instead :(.

Oh, well, then that's what you get.

Elricaltovilla
2014-01-09, 01:39 PM
The OOC Thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=16756801#post16756801) is up!

EDIT: Here is the IC thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=16756869#post16756869)!