So is Belkar canonically attracted to V? (minor DStP & OtOoPCs spoilers) [Archive]

Gift Jeraff

2013-12-14, 04:52 PM

In DStP's cast page, Belkar's relationship with V is given as "Wants to shtup." When the book first came out, I recall some posters saying it was just the Giant teasing at shipping, but I was never under that impression.

And in OtOoPCs, Belkar immediately asks if the elf is a chick or a dude. I interpreted this as him being attracted to him/her at first sight, but was confused about it. So I think Belkar always had wanted to shtup V, even before V saved Belkar from Miko.

martianmister

2013-12-14, 05:20 PM

Yes. I think Durkon is attracted to her/him too, because of their reaction (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0223.html).

Hytheter

2013-12-14, 08:53 PM

Yes. I think Durkon is attracted to her/him too, because of their reaction (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0223.html).

...I'm pretty sure that's just generic shock. :/

Zea mays

2013-12-14, 10:57 PM

Yes. I think Durkon is attracted to her/him too, because of their reaction (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0223.html).

That is a truly frightening prospect, especially considering the recent, er, changes our good dwarf has undergone. What's an elf to do?

I hope he was just generically astonished there.

As for Belkar, heck yeah he fancies V.

Scow2

2013-12-14, 11:10 PM

That's only because he hasn't had a chance to meet Jacinda in person yet!

Lombard

2013-12-14, 11:59 PM

Imo the Belkar/V storyline is one of great unexplored storylines in OoTS, and V's ambiguity just makes Belkar that much more of a sexy shoeless god of war. :smallcool:

ORione

2013-12-15, 12:38 AM

Wait, are we really going to talk about this without mentioning The Event (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0316.html)? In Vino Veritas

Copperdragon

2013-12-15, 04:24 AM

Seto

2013-12-15, 05:39 AM

Belkar wants to shtup basically everyone female or female looking of a certain charisma (aka not horrible). He basically consists of the basic lusts: Food, Fight, Fornication.

Durkon: No, there's nothing in that strip indicating this. It is just the surprise how little he knew about someone he thought to know at least well enough.

He never wanted to do Miko, even though her Charisma is (probably much) higher than V's. No, I think there's something special with V. But I don't think we'll get to see more of it.

I agree about Durkon though. I think he was just surprised.

Taelas

2013-12-15, 07:07 AM

What makes you think he didn't want to do Miko? :smallconfused:

shadowpriest

2013-12-15, 09:06 AM

What makes you think he didn't want to do Miko? :smallconfused:

Well, although he called her "Sexy Kung-fu chick", I think his overwhelming need to make her lose her paladin powers shushed his primal instincts.

Goosefarble

2013-12-15, 09:07 AM

What makes you think he didn't want to do Miko? :smallconfused:

This strip (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0335.html), naturally.

Zerozzz0290

2013-12-15, 09:10 AM

What makes you think he didn't want to do Miko? :smallconfused:

There is this:

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0335.html (335)

Panel 6

ORione

2013-12-15, 10:57 AM

Well, that's V's theory, and I'm pretty sure they were wrong about it. Where would Shojo and Mr. Scruffy be?

Taelas

2013-12-15, 11:23 AM

V's theory was never particularly good, and I don't see why Belkar should be unable to, simultaneously, both hate and lust after Miko.

V's theory was also partly desperate. The thought of a Belkar that secretly lusted after V was ... "too horrible to contemplate", I believe it was put. So V came up with a theory in which Belkar could be absolutely and completely knocked out of whatever state prompted "the Event".

johnbragg

2013-12-15, 11:25 AM

V's theory was also partly desperate. The thought of a Belkar that secretly lusted after V was ... "too horrible to contemplate", I believe it was put. So V came up with a theory in which Belkar could be absolutely and completely knocked out of whatever state prompted "the Event".

Plus it gave her license to torment Belkar. Which V will do "for personal amusement."

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0335.html

martianmister

2013-12-15, 09:21 PM

Last panels (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0483.html) seems to support that Belkar has some feelings for her/him. As for Durkon:

He seems curious about V's love-life. He is shocked and disappointed at revelation of V's marriage. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0223.html)
In New Year Eve (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0316.html), Roy go out with Celia, Elan go out with Haley, Belkar and Durkon go out with Vaarsuvius...
Durkon is deeply affected by "the event" (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0316.html). It's not a simple shock, more like a disappointment and "rude awakening". He even, uncharacteristically (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0317.html), supported (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0318.html)V's tormenting.
Belkar's lust for V is equally "horrific to contemplate" (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0335.html) for Durkon.
Both Belkar and Durkon looks happy to hear about V's "gemstones". (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0123.html) :smalltongue:

Cerussite

2013-12-15, 11:43 PM

jogiff

2013-12-16, 03:05 AM

On the opposite side of this discussion, I think that this (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0781.html) shows that V is at least mildly confused as to what her feelings for Belkar are. She probably wanted to describe him as a 'friend', but for her, calling him a friend would cement their relation forever as just that. Hence, she defaults to a more detached word - one of the ways she plays 'hard to get', the other being Explosive Runes.

I'm secretly The Giant's best friend/confidante/father/identical twin and he told me that V and Belkar are going to get married and the power of their love will defeat the Snarl.

It's hard to convey with stick figures who only have dots for eyes, but if you look closely at V's eyes whenever Belkar is in the room you can see the longing in them.

Plus we know that V has a thing for nonhumans who wear green and have ranks in profession (chef).

BardicLasher

2013-12-16, 03:39 PM

V's theory is pretty obviously wrong because of Elan. Despite Belkar's willingness to torment Elan, he straight up offers to go into that bandit camp to help rescue Elan for no compensation because he Elan makes him laugh.

Seto

2013-12-16, 04:36 PM

What makes you think he didn't want to do Miko? :smallconfused:

He never says he wants her, never tries anything or make lewd comments about her. Come on, it's BELKAR. When he wants to do someone, he doesn't shut up about it :smallbiggrin: Especially if that's an enemy, and he knows that would make her uncomfortable, which is very very much the case with Miko. Nah, he couldn't have let it pass. I'm even surprised he didn't make any sexual remarks (none that I can remember), be it only for the purpose of angering her. (Comments on Haley along with the rest of the group... Kisses Vaarsuvius... Oh, and that girl in Azure City. And that other one from Haley's thieves' guild. And even Tsukiko.)

theinsulabot

2013-12-16, 05:01 PM

ill just...leave this here...

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0123.html

Gift Jeraff

2013-12-16, 05:03 PM

Whoa, Belkar doesn't start eavesdropping until V mentions her/his "set." That's one for the "Things You Never Noticed" thread.

AKA_Bait

2013-12-16, 05:48 PM

Well, although he called her "Sexy Kung-fu chick", I think his overwhelming need to make her lose her paladin powers shushed his primal instincts.

I don't think they are mutually exclusive. Just how close an association with a character of evil alignment is necessary to fall anyway? :smallwink:

veti

2013-12-16, 05:58 PM

I just realised what's weird about this thread.

"Is Belkar canonically attracted to V?" Well, yes. It's documented in canon, and that documentation is specifically referenced in the OP, so the OP actually gives the answer to the question it seems to be asking.

It only starts to make sense if you take out the word "canonically" and substitute some version of "in your opinion".

Kish

2013-12-16, 07:47 PM

I believe Gift Jeraff's intention was something like, "So is Belkar actually attracted to Vaarsuvius, it's not just a pure joke like the joke about Sabine being attracted to Kevin Bacon?"

Gift Jeraff

2013-12-16, 08:30 PM

I believe Gift Jeraff's intention was something like, "So is Belkar actually attracted to Vaarsuvius, it's not just a pure joke like the joke about Sabine being attracted to Kevin Bacon?"

Yeah that's what I meant.

Jay R

2013-12-16, 11:10 PM

Belkar is very interested in Vaarsuvius if she is female.

But he is not interested in Vaarsuvius if he is male.

That's why he wants to find out.

Belkar has Schrödinger's crush.

Cerussite

2013-12-17, 08:08 AM

Chantelune

2013-12-17, 09:04 AM

I think there's a definite possibility of Belkar being interested in Boy!Vaarsuvius now considering spending time with sweaty gladiators has made him gay (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0753.html).

By this topic standards, I guess this post also prove that Roy is attracted to Elan and is jealous of Haley for stealing him from his manly love. :smallsigh:

ref

2013-12-17, 11:47 AM

Belkar wanted to shtup paladin!Miko because that counts as associating with an evil character.

Mammal

2013-12-17, 11:59 AM

I think the obvious answer is that literally every character is canonically attracted to V.

theinsulabot

2013-12-18, 03:55 PM

not Roy. roy is attracted to medium sized winged creatures, not medium sized flying ones

:smallamused:

veti

2013-12-18, 04:16 PM

Belkar is very interested in Vaarsuvius if she is female.

But he is not interested in Vaarsuvius if he is male.

That's why he wants to find out.

Belkar has Schrödinger's crush.

That's one way of putting it.

Another way would be: Belkar is attracted to V, but not knowing her actual sex, doesn't know whether he can really admit it or not (to himself as well as others). That's why he wants to find out.

sengmeng

2013-12-18, 04:24 PM

I think Belkar is/was attracted to both Miko and V, but his lust is overwhelmed by hate most of the time, and yes, he doesn't want to admit to his lust for V without knowing V's gender. So, V's theory about "the event" may have been right on the money, but s/he could still be wrong about Belkar having only two possible emotional reactions. He just defaulted to the lust that was already there when the hatred was briefly forgotten.

NihhusHuotAliro

2013-12-18, 05:13 PM

Wait, are we really going to talk about this without mentioning The Event (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0316.html)? In Vino Veritas

NO! The subject cannot be reminded of The Event... it would ruin everything.

BeerMug Paladin

2013-12-19, 05:45 AM

I think it's just a mixture of several different traits of the two. In the beginning Belkar being curious and asking for V's gender just seems like the kind of rude thing a low wisdom character might just ask up front. If there's something the audience asks or thinks that would be rude for someone to say up front, Belkar would be the cast member to say or ask it.

For the most part, though, I think Belkar and V do have an interesting relationship with one another. Belkar (as far as I remember) has never tried to kill V outright and seems to regard their fights as something like a series of practical jokes (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0483.html) among peers.

Belkar even defended and welcomed V to the deep end of the alignment pool. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0645.html) As Xykon would say, people on the evil end of things play rough (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0465.html), and I think at least from Belkar's end, he just likes fighting, and V is a willing participant. Belkar was also amused when he heard V's apparent explanation (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0696.html) for all those explosive runes.

Adun

2013-12-19, 07:36 AM

I think Belkar knows V's sex... (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0177.html)

Trillium

2013-12-19, 07:50 AM

I think Belkar knows V's sex... (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0177.html)

He explicitly states, that he has no idea how to separate reptile sexes by private parts.

Adun

2013-12-19, 08:14 AM

yes, but he may have found later someone/something that can explain him...

ChristianSt

2013-12-19, 09:02 AM

yes, but he may have found later someone/something that can explain him...

You're right - if there is one defining characteristic about Belkar then it is his never-ending search for new knowledge

I think even if someone would give him a male and female reptile of the same type he wouldn't remember that.

Trillium

2013-12-19, 09:23 AM

You're right - if there is one defining characteristic about Belkar then it is his never-ending search for new knowledge

I think even if someone would give him a male and female reptile of the same type he wouldn't remember that.

Since questions about V's sex haunt him, he would remember.

And now he has Bloodfeast to conduct some research...

...though he still doesn't know what sex Bloodfeast is! :smallbiggrin:

Liliet

2013-12-26, 05:52 PM

I think the obvious answer is that literally every character is canonically attracted to V.

This is now officially canon for me. Regardless of V's actual gender. It's the special feromones.

Well, maybe except Haley. She's vir friend, it would be a little awkward.

But including Tarquin&family. Hehe.

Porthos

2013-12-26, 06:55 PM

I think the obvious answer is that literally every character is canonically attracted to V.

There is, naturally, a trope for that (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LauncherOfAThousandShips). :smallwink:

Keltest

2013-12-26, 07:58 PM

There is, naturally, a trope for that (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LauncherOfAThousandShips). :smallwink:

Not only that, but its the first on the list on examples that originated on the internet.