Template Combo Question [3.P]

[TabletopGamer]

Ok so I was thinking of doing a build at level 5 and it is Gestalt.

The templates are http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/templates/half-fiend or http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/templates/half-celestial

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/templates/dread-vampire-cr-3 or http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/templates/lich

And lastly http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/templates/advanced-creature-cr-1

Which combination would work the best?
All based off a human as the base creature of course.

I am just curious given how powerful this build is I know it is gonna reach high CR I dont mind.

In fact it reaches CR 5 so it works.

[katachthonios]

Do note that CR and LA are not the same. Your gestalt build would be an adequate challenge for a four-person party at level 5, not an appropriately-balanced level 5 PC.

To make a level 5 PC, you'd need to tone down the templates to aasimar/teifling (+1), half-vampire (+3), and something similarly muted for that last point.

[Nightraiderx]

Half-minotaur/ stony devil/thomil templates for +3 LA you can be a large sized tank that can absorb people into rocks, you got nice NA, you have SR, a rediculous con and str score and DR/-

Edit: I'm pretty sure half-vamp is +2 unless you are counting aasimar, which I would go for the lesser versions of aasimar/teifling.

[Gazzien]

IIRC, Pathfinder doesn't have LA, and uses CR for template level adjustment instead... which is really, really nice at times.

That said, unless you have something against being evil, Half-Fiend is objectively better than Half-Celestial. Past that, I would go with Lich over Vampire; lower LA, no annoying Sunlight Weakness, and you get to Phylactery-Resurrection.

[TabletopGamer]

The Cr is not an issue as as a Gestalt it would have class levels as well.

The only reason I sorta like the Vampire over the Lich is that the Vampires weakness at least this one is just 5 points of damage every round he is exposed to sunlight or water and as soon as he is out of them his Fast Healing 5 kicks back in and in a few rounds he has regained those losts HP. He also has some seriously nice effects.

The Lich is awesome for the "I cannot die" button but doesnt give s much nice things.

Half-Fiend is better yes but I was curious for others opinions.

PF does do CR = ECL So since we are doing a game of monsters an all of us are shooting for CR 5 we are gonna ignore the level loss thing since all of the party members will be near equal footing.

In Monsters of Faerun there is a Good Lich description based off Humans and Elves that become liches for the greater good so thats interesting idea for a build.