(PF) Sorcerer and scribe scroll?

[Cassidius]

Alright playground, I've got a question that I haven't been able to find a clear answer to. I'm playing a sorcerer and was considering taking the scribe scroll feat so that I could make scrolls of those spells I just won't use every day, but I'd rather not be without entirely. My question is can my sorcerer scribe scrolls of spells he doesn't know? I understand that the rules for scribe scroll say that I must "know" the spell, but the magic item creation rules say that the only prerequisite that must be met to craft an item is the item creation feat itself, then just increase the DC as necessary.

I put the debate in your hands playground...

[watchwood]

Depending on your DM, you might be able to copy them from other scrolls or any captured spellbooks. I have a witch who does that.

[schoklat]

"[...] In addition, you cannot create potions, spell-trigger, or spell-completion magic items without meeting its prerequisites." (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items#TOC-Magic-Item-Creation)

[stack]

Though others can supply the prereqs.

[Dalebert]

Depending on your DM, you might be able to copy them from other scrolls or any captured spellbooks. I have a witch who does that.

Definitely a house rule though. By RAW, you can only scribe spells you know. You're better off just buying scrolls of spells you want to have occasionally but don't want to devote knowledge slots to. You should have no trouble using arcane scrolls unless the level is above your casting ability.

[Cassidius]

Argh, thanks schoklat, I see that now. My sorcerer just shed a tear for what could have been. He'll just have to buy scrolls like a regular schmo I suppose.

[stack]

There are some nice PF items to help you out though. Pages of spell knowledge (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/m-p/page-of-spell-knowledge), mnemonic vestments (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/r-z/vestment-mnemonic), rings of spell knowledge (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/rings/ring-of-spell-knowledge) (combo with the meridian belt (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/a-b/meridian-belt) for fun), Paizo has you covered.

[Cassidius]

Thanks Stack, I knew about the pages of spell knowledge, and mnemonic vestments, but I'll check those others out. Soooooo many items, so little gold. Oh well, at least my DM gave me a feat for Christmas.

[Karoht]

Be a half-elf.
Pick up the spell Paragon Surge.
Paragon Surge grants you access to any feat you qualify for.
For feat selection, pick Extended Arcana (which gets you 1 extra spell known at the highest level you can cast, or 2 extra spells known at any levels below your heighest).

Order of Operations:
1-Cast Paragon Surge
2-Select the Extended Arcana feat
3-Pick a spell you want to make a Scroll of.
4-Make a Scroll.

If you really want to take advantage of having scrolls on hand, I suggest you consider the prestige class Arcane Savant. A 3 level dip allows you to treat all scrolls you ever use as having your caster level, rather than minimum caster level. Add on the feat Cyper Magic which allows you to consider any spell you cast from a scroll to be +1 caster level.

For extra Scroll shenanigans... would you like some Divine Casting options?
Take the Sorcerer Archetype called False Priest (not to be confused with the False Priest Prestige Class). At 9th level is when this bad boy gets fun.
"False Channel (Su)
At 9th level, the false priest can use his own magic to power spell completion and spell trigger items that use divine spells. He expends a sorcerer spell slot that is at least 1 level higher than the level of the spell he’s trying to activate, then makes a Use Magic Device check. If he succeeds, the item’s spell occurs and the item or charge is not expended. If he fails, nothing happens. Whether he succeeds or fail, his spell slot is expended.
This ability replaces the bloodline power gained at 9th level."
So lets say you have a Scroll of Lesser Restoration, which is a Divine Spell. You could read from Scroll as normal, or you could use False Channel and blow a 3rd Level Slot, and keep the Scroll. You're a Charisma based caster, the UMD check to make this work is pretty easy.

Best part, it applies to ALL Divine Spells. Paladin, Inquisitor, Druid, Ranger, Assassin.

So what you end up with is a Sorcerer who can cast 9th level Arcane Spells at his caster level, or use Scrolls at his caster level +1 or 8th level Divine Spells at his caster level +1.

What can't you do?

[Larkas]

Yeah, Paragon Surge shenanigans won't work. The spell's duration is minutes/level, scribing a spell takes at least two hours.

[Septimus]

For the Paragon surge trick to work, you can buy a ring of spell-storing, cast Paragon surge, choose Expanded Arcana, cast the spell into the ring, then craft the scroll (or wand, or whatever).
This the plan of an Oracle I have ^^

[Larkas]

For the Paragon surge trick to work, you can buy a ring of spell-storing, cast Paragon surge, choose Expanded Arcana, cast the spell into the ring, then craft the scroll (or wand, or whatever).
This the plan of an Oracle I have ^^

Oh, that might work! I was thinking straight Paragon Surge shenanigans. http://boards.goldensunrealm.com/Smileys/gold/sweatdrop.gif