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unseenmage
2013-12-20, 02:08 PM
Cramming Constructs into Portable Holes (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/wondrousItems.htm#portableHole) via the Squeezing rules (see my sig) can allow one to move quite a large army in quite a small space.
The Smoky Confinement (CMa) spell allows you to move even more.
But what if we incorporate Shrink Item (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/shrinkItem.htm) on the containers used for Smoky Confinement? Does it even work by RAW?

Smoky Confinement says it needs a "tiny item", a "bottle or vase" that can be sealed. For simplicity we'll just assume that a bottle (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/equipment/goodsAndServices.htm) is what we need.
Bottle, wine, glass, 2gp, Weight: — (negligible or, for our purposes, 1/10th lb.)

My questions are these:
- What is the weight and size category of a Shrink Item-ed Bottle?

- How many Shrink Item-ed Bottles can we fit into a Portable Hole or Enveloping Pit (MIC)?

- What is the final gp price for Smoky Confinement-ed Constructs in Shrink Item-ed Bottles?

- Price per Portable Hole full?

- Price per Enveloping Pit full?

What if we added another layer of fun? We cannot apply the Squeezing rules (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/movementPositionAndDistance.htm) to our Shrink Item-ed Smoky Confinement Bottles. But we could if we made them Animated (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/animateObjects.htm) Objects (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/animatedObject.htm).

- How many Shrink Item-ed Animated Object Bottles can we Squeeze into a Portable Hole or Enveloping Pit?

- What is the final gp price for Smoky Confinement-ed Constructs in Shrink Item-ed Animate Objects-ed Bottles?

- Price per Portable Hole full?

- Price per Enveloping Pit full?

Bonus Question:
- What size category would a Construct have to be for it to be cheaper/faster to shrink the Construct instead of the applying the above process?
I assume there is a minimum size that is worth the effort below which it's just as easy for the Construct to Squeeze into the space of it's own accord.

Emperor Tippy
2013-12-20, 02:20 PM
You can just play Russian nesting dolls with Smokey Confinement to cram an arbitrarily large number of creatures into a single vial.

I actually had a character who was running an Ice Assassin + Smokey Confinement trap assembly line inside a time compression field. He would sell armies in a vial to anyone who felt like fighting a war, ten thousand Shadesteel Golem Warblade 20's with optimal feats and deployable as a standard action. And it would only cost you a hundred thousand HD worth of souls to purchase one. ;)

unseenmage
2013-12-20, 09:20 PM
I'm still curious what the hard limits of my process would be. Yours is certainly superior but since there's not really any limit to how much nesting dolling can happen it's also not as useful to me for my purposes.

Still very cool though.

Nettlekid
2013-12-20, 11:14 PM
What happens if a creature that has Swallowed Whole another creature is caught by Smokey Confinement? Will both creatures be confined? If so, you could use Reduce Person or Compression on your army, nest several inside a single T-Rex belly (or something like that) and put each T-Rex into a bottle.

unseenmage
2013-12-21, 01:08 AM
What happens if a creature that has Swallowed Whole another creature is caught by Smokey Confinement? Will both creatures be confined? If so, you could use Reduce Person or Compression on your army, nest several inside a single T-Rex belly (or something like that) and put each T-Rex into a bottle.

That is the most horrific Trojan Horse I've ever considered. And I heartily thank you for the idea. Definitely using that. :smallamused:

unseenmage
2013-12-24, 01:53 AM
I realize this thread seems like simple arithmetic to many Playgrounders but for me it is a challenge. I just get too lost in the details somehow. Always have.

I'll do my best not to seem like I'm using this board as my own personal calculator from here on in. My sincerest apologies for such.

Hangwind
2013-12-24, 05:45 AM
I actually had a character who was running an Ice Assassin + Smokey Confinement trap assembly line inside a time compression field.

Tippy, do you have any characters that don't use Ice Assassin?

TuggyNE
2013-12-24, 06:49 AM
Tippy, do you have any characters that don't use Ice Assassin?

:smallcool: "I don't understand your question." :smalltongue: