Trinityforce Caster

[Hawkings]

Hello fellow playgrounders, I've been trying to make a caster capable of using 9th level arcane, divine and psionic spells by level 20 for a high op campaign I'm joining.

I've google'd the build and know it's possible however in each case I've found they use a specific race to accomplish the goal, and if at all possible I'd like to be human.

Any book 3.5 or 3.0 book is allowed and the DM is pretty flexible and okay with the idea so that isn't a problem.

I know these builds exist, just wondering if anyone could save me hours of researching by knowing a build off hand that let's you play as a human.

[Emperor Tippy]

Ardent 1/ Wizard 4/ Ur-Priest 1/ Mystic Theuge 9/ Cerebremancer 5

Use Psiotheurgist to add your wizard CL to your ML for certain Ardent powers, which gets you an ML high enough to manifest 9th level powers and thus you can pick them up thanks to the Ardent power's known mechanic.

At ECL 15 it casts 9th level Cleric spells and 7th level Wizard spells. At ECL 17 it manifests 9th level powers and 8th level wizard spells. At ECL 19 it gains 9th level Wizard spells.

There you go, fully independent of race.

[Magdela]

Would this character need to be able to cast as many spells as someone who is level 20, or could he get by with simply being able to cast them?

Cause it's a lot easier to cast 4 9th level spells than it is to cast a 9th level spell 4 times.

[Hawkings]

Thank you Emperor Tippy. :smallsmile:


Would this character need to be able to cast as many spells as someone who is level 20, or could he get by with simply being able to cast them?

Cause it's a lot easier to cast 4 9th level spells than it is to cast a 9th level spell 4 times.

Well of course there's a price to pay for getting three spell pools to draw from, so the former of course.

That is unless you feel like the latter is possible, which would be far more impressive, though in this case it isn't required.

[(Un)Inspired]

StP Erudite 7/Ur priest 3/ mystic theurge 10

Easy peasy living greasy.

[ShurikVch]

Ardent 1/ Wizard 4/ Ur-Priest 1/ Mystic Theuge 9/ Cerebremancer 5

Use Psiotheurgist to add your wizard CL to your ML for certain Ardent powers, which gets you an ML high enough to manifest 9th level powers and thus you can pick them up thanks to the Ardent power's known mechanic.

At ECL 15 it casts 9th level Cleric spells and 7th level Wizard spells. At ECL 17 it manifests 9th level powers and 8th level wizard spells. At ECL 19 it gains 9th level Wizard spells.

There you go, fully independent of race.
How's it work, Tippy?
Arcane and Divine are OK, but what's about Psionics?
Psiotheurgist
does not increase your spells per day or power points per day, nor does it grant you the ability to cast spells or manifest powers of a higher level than you can normally cast or manifest; it only increases your caster level and manifester level when casting a spell of the chosen school or manifesting a power of the chosen discipline.


StP Erudite 7/Ur priest 3/ mystic theurge 10

Easy peasy living greasy.
Erudite is not an Arcane caster (and not caster at all)

[Kobold-Bard]

How's it work, Tippy?
Arcane and Divine are OK, but what's about Psionics?
Psiotheurgist

Ardents work differently to other Psionic classes; their powers known are based solely on their Manifester Level and not their class level. If you have an ML of 18 and take 1 level of Ardent, you can take 9th level powers as your level 1 powers known.

[ShurikVch]

Ardents work differently to other Psionic classes; their powers known are based solely on their Manifester Level and not their class level. If you have an ML of 18 and take 1 level of Ardent, you can take 9th level powers as your level 1 powers known.
1. How? Is it some obscure ACF?
2. It's really strange to insist someone can do something, when RAW clearly says he cannot
3. Does it mean Crusader 5/Psi-Hunter 1/Abjurant Champion 5/Crusader 5/Ardent 1 with Psiotheurgist still can manifest 9th lvl powers?

[sleepyphoenixx]

I don't see how Psiotheurgist allows you to qualify for higher level powers since it only raises your ML when you're manifesting a power of the corresponding discipline.
In all other regards your ML is still 1. That's the kind of RAW misinterpretation that gives optimization a bad name imo.

[Mnemnosyne]

Actually, an Ardent's level 1 powers must always be level 1 powers, even if she has some way of increasing manifester level before taking her first level of ardent:

An ardent begins play knowing two of the first powers available to her based on her choice of mantles. Each mantle features at least one power or ability with a cost of 1 power point. An ardent selects two of these powers from her two known mantles at 1st level.
Powers gained at level 2 and higher, however, can indeed be of any level that the ardent is capable of manifesting, due to the wording of gaining additional powers:

At each additional level, an ardent learns one new power from her available mantles. She must be able to manifest the power at the level at which she learns it, however. For example, an ardent who attains 5th level can learn any power from one of her mantles that costs 5 power points or less to manifest; she cannot learn a power from a mantle that costs more than 5 power points to manifest until she attains a level capable of manifesting a power with that cost.
The only limitation to an Ardent being able to learn powers beyond 1st level is the capacity to manifest them. As long as she is capable of manifesting the power (in other words, as long as her manifester level and any other bonuses (such as overchannel) is high enough to allow her to spend enough power points to manifest the power, she can learn it). The example given is obviously a straight level 5 Ardent without multiclassing, but a level 1 Ardent/3 <anything>/+1 Ardent that has Practiced Manifester is also able to manifest a power that costs 5 power points, and therefore can learn it as her second level power. The same applies all the way up - if you're capable of spending 17 power points, you can learn a 9th level power, even if it were only your 2nd level of Ardent.

Psiotheurgist, therefore, allows you to qualify for higher level powers as an ardent because your manifester level (and a couple other bonuses here and there) is what governs how many power points you can spend, which therefore governs what powers you can learn as an ardent. While it would only allow you to learn powers of the specified discipline, it does give a high enough manifester level to learn powers.