Generic Classes (Unearthed Arcana) Question

[UmpteenthDoctor]

Ok so I was looking at the three classes.

Spellcaster (http://dndtools.eu/classes/spellcaster/)
Expert (http://dndtools.eu/classes/unearthed-arcana--90/expert/)
Warrior (http://dndtools.eu/classes/unearthed-arcana--90/warrior/)

So how powerful would a Tristalt of this class be? I mean Expert and Warrior don't exactly have massive class abilities or anything.

Would combining all three of these make a super unfairly strong class in a gestalt game?

EDIT: Corrected links

[ngilop]

Wells pell caster is 'Tier' 2 by itself, but i do not think that giving it warrior and expert is going to push that any higher.

[Psyren]

It's "Unearthed" actually :smallsmile:

Also, you linked the wrong Expert - that's the one from the DMG, the NPC class. The UA Expert (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/genericClasses.htm#expert) is a bit more powerful as it gains four additional class skills (two floating of your choice, plus Craft and Profession), as well as bonus feats which it can replace with class features like the other two Generics. You also linked the NPC class Warrior instead of the UA one.

[UmpteenthDoctor]

Indeed I appear to have linked the wrong ones. I looked them up and then decided to post, oddly enough I looked under the work of Unearthed Arcana and it still sent me those.

So then. If you combined the three UA classes is there much there more powerful then a typical gestalt?

[ngilop]

Remember the generic spell caster is identicle to the Sorcerer, so anything you slap the spell caster onto is no more or less powerful than anything you slap the Sorcerer onto

so youd basically be a sorcerer sneak attack fighter basically. but with a lot more skill points to abuse use magic device.

[Bogardan_Mage]

Wells pell caster is 'Tier' 2 by itself, but i do not think that giving it warrior and expert is going to push that any higher.
Yes, basically. Because your spells known are limited, you'll never have quite the versatility of the Tier 1 casters. Nevertheless, you're going to be strictly better than all other Tier 2 classes. You have your pick of all spells, and UMD to grab the ones you didn't learn. Plus you have more feats than some deities. Full BAB, all good saves, Craft, Profession, Knowledge and 22 other class skills with 6+Int points to spend on them. You're certainly going to feel pretty overpowered, even though you're not technically Tier 1.

[UmpteenthDoctor]

The only reason I see the Spellcaster being pretty strong is the fact they draw from the Druid, Cleric, and Wizard/Sorcerer books.

And aren't there ways to increase spells known if only by a little bit?

And since you tap all three spell lists would you need UMD to use wands or scrolls with them?

[ngilop]

No, basically for the generic spell caster, though you can pick between all 3 spell lists, the spells yu know are your only spell list.


so while the generic spell caster can pick freely from all 3 lists a generic spell caster in the end has a very very small spell list, totalling out to 43 spells in her spell list at lvl 20.


There might be a way or two to increase spells known, im unsure about that.

SO while the generic spell caster can say.. pick Call Lightning Storm from the druid spells, she would still need to UMD a Tree Stride if that is not on her list of spells known.

So, they have this wide ranging potential source of spells, the final applicable known spells that make up her list are limited.

[UmpteenthDoctor]

hmm so a Sorcerer is the same way with spells known equally their entire spell list?