qualifying for epic feats

[Somensjev]

i want to know what epic feats a DWK can qualify for before epic

(i don't care if they can meet the epic requirement or not, since my DM noted the lack of the word true from this sentence "Dragons of at least old age also can choose these feats even if they have no class levels" -Draconomicon pg66)

i'm not actually planning on playing a DWK, i'm just curious what i could do if i did (when saying a feat that is qualifiable please say the requirements, and the earliest level for qualification

thank you

[TuggyNE]

Not counting a dozen or so feats that can be acquired by being character level 20 with certain additional skill-rank cheese, here's what you can take: Additional Magic Item Space
Armor Skin
Blinding Speed
Bonus Domain
Bulwark Of Defense
Chaotic Rage
Colossal Wild Shape
Combat Archery
Damage Reduction
Devastating Critical
Dexterous Fortitude
Dexterous Will
Diminutive Wild Shape
Dire Charge
Distant Shot
Energy Resistance
Enhance Spell
Epic Endurance
Epic Fortitude
Epic Leadership
Epic Prowess
Epic Reflexes
Epic Reputation
Epic Skill Focus
Epic Speed
Epic Spell Focus
Epic Spell Penetration
Epic Toughness
Epic Weapon Focus
Epic Weapon Specialization
Epic Will
Exceptional Deflection
Extended Life Span
Familiar Spell
Fast Healing
Fine Wild Shape
Gargantuan Wild Shape
Great Charisma
Great Constitution
Great Dexterity
Great Intelligence
Great Smiting
Great Strength
Great Wisdom
Holy Strike
Improved Alignment-Based Casting
Improved Arrow Of Death
Improved Aura Of Courage
Improved Aura Of Despair
Improved Combat Reflexes
Improved Darkvision
Improved Death Attack
Improved Elemental Wild Shape
Improved Favored Enemy
Improved Heighten Spell
Improved Ki Strike
Improved Low-Light Vision
Improved Sneak Attack
Improved Spell Capacity
Improved Spell Resistance
Improved Stunning Fist
Improved Whirlwind Attack
Incite Rage
Infinite Deflection
Instant Reload
Keen Strike
Legendary Wrestler
Lingering Damage
Master Staff
Master Wand
Mighty Rage
Mobile Defense
Multispell
Multiweapon Rend
Negative Energy Burst
Overwhelming Critical
Penetrate Damage Reduction
Perfect Health
Perfect Multiweapon Fighting
Perfect Two-Weapon Fighting
Planar Turning
Polyglot
Positive Energy Aura
Reflect Arrows
Righteous Strike
Ruinous Rage
Sneak Attack Of Opportunity
Spectral Strike
Spell Knowledge
Spellcasting Harrier
Storm Of Throws
Superior Initiative
Swarm Of Arrows
Tenacious Magic
Thundering Rage
Two-Weapon Rend
Uncanny Accuracy
Undead Mastery
Unholy Strike
Vorpal Strike
Widen Aura Of Courage
Widen Aura Of Despair
Zone Of Animation

Many of them, of course, are only manageable shortly before epic, but it's the thought that counts. Or something.

[Somensjev]

additional skill-rank cheese?

i thought you couldn't get more skill ranks than your level +3... :smallconfused:

then again, it shouldn't surprise me that there's some way around it

[Vertharrad]

Questionable methods that require the DM to be "malleable". Something to do with bards inspire greatness? and psychic reformation I do believe.

[Somensjev]

i'm so curious now :smallannoyed:

edit: was reading a different forum (an old one) and someone mentioned gaining ranks from a void discipline power, anyone know about this? :smallconfused:

[TuggyNE]

additional skill-rank cheese?

i thought you couldn't get more skill ranks than your level +3... :smallconfused:

then again, it shouldn't surprise me that there's some way around it

There's a few. Something about Favored in Guild for +1 maximum is one; temporary HD gain through Inspire Greatness or polymorphing into a Dusk Giant or Barghest or the like is another if you follow it with psychic reformation before the HD go away, since loss of such temporary HD is not well-defined and does not force redistribution of skill points. And of course there's always bloodlines.

[Somensjev]

how many feats can one character have by 20th level? (no gestalt, character has to be a DWK)

i'm really curious about this now

[TuggyNE]

how many feats can one character have by 20th level? (no gestalt, character has to be a DWK)

*shrug* How long is a piece of string? Or perhaps more relevantly, how high is your cheese tolerance? There's at least one NI feat loop.

Without that, though, you can probably get somewhere in the high 30s. It would be more, but since you can't be an elf, you lose one of the easiest sources of almost half a dozen feats.

[Somensjev]

*shrug* How long is a piece of string? Or perhaps more relevantly, how high is your cheese tolerance? There's at least one NI feat loop.

NI feat loop? :smallamused:


but since you can't be an elf, you lose one of the easiest sources of almost half a dozen feats.

:smallconfused:

[Blueiji]

NI feat loop? :smallamused:

"NI" means infinite.

[Somensjev]

"NI" means infinite.

i realise, i'm curious how one would achieve it

[Heliomance]

I suspect it involves taking vow of poverty,using the dark chaos feast shuffle on the bonus feats, chaos shuffling the vow away, regaining it,and repeating.

[Somensjev]

I suspect it involves taking vow of poverty,using the dark chaos feast shuffle on the bonus feats, chaos shuffling the vow away, regaining it,and repeating.

how did i not put 2 and 2 together? :smallconfused:

i have considered how to use those two together before, but was half asleep while doing it :smallsigh:

[TuggyNE]

I suspect it involves taking vow of poverty,using the dark chaos feast shuffle on the bonus feats, chaos shuffling the vow away, regaining it,and repeating.

OK, make that two NI feat loops. (Not sure if VoP works, but it doesn't matter.)

The other one is heroics, shuffle the gained feat, dispel or let heroics expire, repeat until satisfied.

[eggynack]

OK, make that two NI feat loops. (Not sure if VoP works, but it doesn't matter.)

The other one is heroics, shuffle the gained feat, dispel or let heroics expire, repeat until satisfied.
Make that three then. I thought you were talking about shuffling away iron will from an otyugh hole. Takes time, but it's a useful thing.

[Somensjev]

so, that's one "sure-fire" method?
one slow method?
and one other method, maybe?

so, we have two (or maybe three) methods for near infinite feats

[Chronos]

And I figured it was going to be Catalogs of Enlightenment with the War domain.

[Somensjev]

And I figured it was going to be Catalogs of Enlightenment with the War domain.

what? :smallconfused:

[Chronos]

The Planar Touchstone feat lets you get a variety of benefits, depending on what touchstone you visit and attune to. One such touchstone is the Catalogs of Enlightenment, which gives you the granted power of a domain of your choice. The granted power of the War domain is two bonus feats, which means you can spend one feat to gain two feats. Combine with the chaos shuffle for nigh-infinite feats.

[Gemini476]

Another NI feat loop:
Swear fealty to an Elder Evil, getting one [Vile] feat for every five HD you have (+1 for level 1).
Have someone cast Embrace the Dark Chaos five times to turn those feats into [Abyssal Heritor] feats.
Have someone cast Shun the Dark Chaos to turn those feats into something more useful to you.
Stop worshiping the Elder Evil. You lose any [Vile] feats that you didn't shuffle away.
Swear worship to an Elder Evil...

This may annoy the Elder Evil, but you should be able to do this at least as many times as there are Elder Evils.

Oh, and your character WILL be Chaotic Evil. Just saying. Unless you shuffle those feats away quickly, in which case you can be any Evil alignment instead.