Girl Genius XVI: The Wrath of Klaus

[Porthos]

Welcome to another installment of the Girl Genius Thread!

Many elegant and finely-crafted links follow:

Links to Previous Threads
Girl Genius! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4818) (original thread)
Girl Genius II (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80718)
Girl Genius III: Nize Thread! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92541)
Girl Genius IV: Because SCIENCE! is my mistress (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102230)
Girl Genius V: Madre de Diodes! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112305)
Girl Genius VI: Der Pestle in Der Kestle (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128538)
Girl Genius VII: Get on the Slab, I Want to Get to Work! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143909)
Girl Genius: VIII: Will Show Them All! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=159600)
Girl Genius IX: The Unstoppable Thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173582)
Girl Genius X: The Othar Shoe Drops (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=189632)
Girl Genius XI: Ding Dong, the Baron's Dead! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=207223)
Girl Genius XII: For Doom The Bell Tolls (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=227697)
Girl Genius XIII: "Gott's Leedle Feesh in Trousers!" (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=245508)
Girl Genius XIV: A Lightning Arc in All But Speed! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266978)
Girl Genius XV: The Weasel, the Spark, and the Wardrobe (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=287759)

Comic Links
Link to current comic (http://girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php) and link to the beginning of the strip. (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20021104) (Updates MWF at or sometime after Midnight [Eastern Time])
The Continuing Adventures of Othar Tryggvassen, Gentleman Adventurer! (http://twitter.com/Othar) (now being updated again after a long hiatius)
A compilation (and much easier to read if you're just catching up) of the entries can be found here at the GG website (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/fun/twitter_othar_01.php).
And if one goes to snapbird.org (http://snapbird.org/) and types in "Othar" in the 'Who?' field, all of Othar's adventures can be read on one page (albiet in reverse order of posting).
Mirror of the comic found on LiveJournal (http://girlgeniuscomic.livejournal.com/) (Often will update before the main page is updated, so beware of spoilers)
Mirror of the comic found on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Girl-Genius-Webcomic/28371352860?ref=nf) (Will occasionally have Girl Genius related news)
And one can find mirrors of Girl Genius on deviantArt as well (http://girlgeniuscomic.deviantart.com/). (Occasionally Kaja will put up or link to interesting GG related art that is found on dA)

Reference Links
Wiki Project devoted to to Girl Genius (http://girlgenius.wikia.com/wiki/The_Department_of_Almost_Certainly_True_History)
Wikipedia entry on Girl Genius. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girl_Genius)
TV Tropes page on Girl Genius. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GirlGenius)
The Secret Blueprints (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4272360&postcount=1478) (NOTE: Contains background information on the GG Universe, so it should probably be read after "catching up" to the newest comic, as it contains many spoilers.)

Social Media and News Links
Phil Foglio's new Wordpress art, news, and blogging website. (http://girlgeniusadventures.com/)
Kaja Foglio's LJ Page (http://kajafoglio.livejournal.com/) and Studio Foglio News LJ Page (http://studiofoglio.livejournal.com/) (Not currently being updated)
Kaja & Phil's Personal Facebook Page (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kaja-Phil-Foglio/196305144555) (Not currently being updated)
A twitter account that basically is a catch-all feed for Girl Genius related news. (http://twitter.com/girlgenius)
Cheyenne Wright's Twitter (http://twitter.com/CheyenneWright) and LiveJournal Accounts (http://cheyennewright.livejournal.com/) (The colorist's twitter and LJ pages)
And finally,
Phil's old LJ page. (http://philfoglio.livejournal.com/) (Occasionally contains crossposts from the Wordpress website)

The 'Sneaky Gate', named from this hidden gate in comic (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20071219), was a name for viewing new comics early. However the comic, due to various reasons, is currently either not being updated early or is inaccessible before it goes live. If it should ever become available early again, here is the old information about being Sneaky:

<NOTE: Remember, if you're going to discuss the new comic, put it in spoiler boxes until the release time (12am EST).>

Sneaky gating 101;

Right click the comic image.
Select view image or copy paste the image location into the address bar.
Modify the date to be the day you're trying to look at. (ex. 20120111 -> 20120113)
Go to the modified url.
Be disappointed when there's no early comic to read.
Alternately, enjoy the comic!

[The Glyphstone]

Sneaky gate hasn't worked in over a year at this point, is there any point in continuing to give the instructions?

[Porthos]

Sneaky gate hasn't worked in over a year at this point, is there any point in continuing to give the instructions?

Probably not (as I understand it, they now have an intern uploading things instead of doing it themselves ahead of time). I was thinking of axing it.

Perhaps I should put it in spoiler bars under a heading of: If the Sneaky Gate Ever Returns.

ETA::: Went ahead and re-worded the section to better reflect the current reality and then threw it behind Spoiler Bars.

[anon62453]

Zoing is biological - insectoid, in fact.


The Castle has the mind of a Heterodyne downloaded into it - same tech type as used by the Ohter (and heavily hinted that that is where she first learnt of it).


GW


Any thoughts on whether Klaus used the same technology to download/copy his consciousness into Bohrlaika?

@Grey_wolf, hmm, I now think that we will have multiple Klaus copies to match the multiple copies of Lucrezia that are running around. Plus Klaus/Gil is wielding Bohrlaika's sword in Friday's comic.

We also now know why Gil hasn't been sleeping. The same thing happened to Agatha in Sturmhalten when Lucrezia's consciousness was first transferred. Every time Agatha would fall asleep, Lucrezia would take over (and vice versa). I am simply stunned at the Foglios ability to keep continuity over ten years worth of comics.

[Morty]

@Grey_wolf, hmm, I now think that we will have multiple Klaus copies to match the multiple copies of Lucrezia that are running around. Plus Klaus/Gil is wielding Bohrlaika's sword in Friday's comic.


That's what I'm afraid of as well. We'll have three copies of Klaus, Lucrezia, and someone else for a good measure, running around eventually.

[HandofShadows]

Any thoughts on whether Klaus used the same technology to download/copy his consciousness into Bohrlaika?

No, She acts very different than Klaus (And Bang is about ready to shoot her).

[BannedInSchool]

Oops, guess this should go in this thread:

Aww, radio plays till March:
http://girlgeniusadventures.com/2013/12/28/the-christmas-thing-has-come-gone/

We will be resuming the Main Story on March 3rd of 2014.

[The Glyphstone]

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/darth_vader_nooo_7675.jpeg

[Aolbain]

Aw, crap. :smallfrown:

[wingnutx]

Oops, guess this should go in this thread:

Aww, radio plays till March:
http://girlgeniusadventures.com/2013/12/28/the-christmas-thing-has-come-gone/

:smallannoyed:

[BannedInSchool]

Oh, and indications elsewhere that this latest page is the last page in the volume, such as it being posted with a line of "It's the last page of Volume 13! DOOM!" at deviantart.

[Thomar_of_Uointer]

@Grey_wolf, hmm, I now think that we will have multiple Klaus copies to match the multiple copies of Lucrezia that are running around. Plus Klaus/Gil is wielding Bohrlaika's sword in Friday's comic.

We also now know why Gil hasn't been sleeping. The same thing happened to Agatha in Sturmhalten when Lucrezia's consciousness was first transferred. Every time Agatha would fall asleep, Lucrezia would take over (and vice versa). I am simply stunned at the Foglios ability to keep continuity over ten years worth of comics.

So does this mean that at some point we'll see Lucrezia in her daughter's body have a conversation with Klaus in his son's body?

[The Glyphstone]

So does this mean that at some point we'll see Lucrezia in her daughter's body have a conversation with Klaus in his son's body?

We're hoping for less 'conversation' and more 'hot makeouts', but conversation will suffice.

[Thomar_of_Uointer]

We're hoping for less 'conversation' and more 'hot makeouts', but conversation will suffice.

Reminds me of this comic (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20110318)... Yeah, that's going to happen over Agatha's and Gil's dead bodies.

[ChowGuy]

Yeah, that's going to happen over Agatha's and Gil's dead bodies.

When you're talking about Lu and the Baron, that sort of thing can be arranged.

[Rob Roy]

When you're talking about Lu and the Baron, that sort of thing can be arranged.

Er... at this point, wouldn't that be suicide?

[petersohn]

I like Kaja's hair in the latest comic.

[Kislath]

NNNnnnOOOOOOOoooooooooooo!!!!!!!!

[Liliet]

Reminds me of this comic (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20110318)... Yeah, that's going to happen over Agatha's and Gil's dead bodies.

That was one of my favorite comics. I wonder how comfortable would Klaus be kissing Lu while his son is there?

(leaving aside the idea of Klaus liking the idea of kissing her in the first place - eeny meeny obstacles like that shouldn't get in the way of shipping!)

[Doc Kraken]

Oh, now that's an evil cliffhanger.

:smallfrown:

Those monsters.

[Giggling Ghast]

Sad news. But the last panel gave me a chuckle.

[Qwertystop]

Hey, they deserve a break, after all this time.

[busterswd]

NNNnnnOOOOOOOoooooooooooo!!!!!!!!

...seconded.

[scienceguy8]

Hey, who is this guy? Why does his name sound familiar? Why is he wearing a Little Dee t-shirt? Oh, I know this guy! I was reading his webcomic (http://spacetrawler.com/) up until last Wednesday when it ended! Huh. Small world. Don't worry, guys. As a longtime Spacetrawler reader, I'm sure we are in for a treat.

[Turalisj]

Could be worse.

Could be another Castle arc.

[Morty]

Could be worse.

Could be another Castle arc.

Yeah, or we could get exposed to Zola again.

[Traab]

Yeah, or we could get exposed to Zola again.

I liked Zola. She was HAWT. "SMASHHEADTINYBITS!"

[Scarlet Knight]

So that's how old the little Foglio's are?

Gotterdammerung! We'll never see the Xxxenophile: Girl Genius Edition!

:smallyuk:

[Lappy9001]

So that's how old the little Foglio's are?

Gotterdammerung! We'll never see the Xxxenophile: Girl Genius Edition!

:smallyuk:Maybe this is just a ruse to throw us off while they work on it...

[Doc Kraken]

I liked Zola. She was HAWT. "SMASHHEADTINYBITS!"

The more Movit she downed, the more fun she was. "HATE! HATE AND DRUGS! LOVELY, LOVELY DRUGS!"

[TaRix]

There's a little bonus strip today. Enjoy.

[Morty]

I liked Zola. She was HAWT. "SMASHHEADTINYBITS!"

Zola was a supremely annoying character who just wouldn't shut up and die, and flip-flopped so often between "actually competent" and "dumb as a post but convinced she's competent" that when she finally did get dangerous, it had no tension.

[petersohn]

She is still alive, so we'll hear about her sooner or later.

[Aquillion]

Zola was a supremely annoying character who just wouldn't shut up and die, and flip-flopped so often between "actually competent" and "dump as a post but convinced she's competent" that when she finally did get dangerous, it had no tension.Part of the problem with her was they they deliberately tried to make her annoying and were too successful at it.

Another part of the problem was that they tried to make her seem like a minor character (presumably to take viewers by surprise with her competence), but because they'd made her so annoying, this just resulted in us asking when she was going to die already instead.

[HandofShadows]

There's a little bonus strip today. Enjoy.

ROFL!

Their way of saying Prof Wright will be doing the colors. And since when was he a Spark? :smalleek:

[factotum]

She is still alive, so we'll hear about her sooner or later.

Actually, we don't know that for sure--she was in the Mechanicsburg hospital when it was destroyed, as far as we know. Yes, Klaus made his way out of there OK, but we don't know about the others as yet.

[Morty]

Part of the problem with her was they they deliberately tried to make her annoying and were too successful at it.

Another part of the problem was that they tried to make her seem like a minor character (presumably to take viewers by surprise with her competence), but because they'd made her so annoying, this just resulted in us asking when she was going to die already instead.

And when they tried to make her seem competent, they overdid it. It felt like shilling a fanfiction character.

[Grey_Wolf_c]

since when was he a Spark?

Since at least the time when they were not nominated for the Hugos. (Follow this finely crafted link (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20130419))

GW

[Porthos]

I'm not one to criticize art styles. For one thing, I can't draw a lick. For two, sometimes it takes time for an artist to 'get' characters 'right'. So I really don't like to judge on a very limited sample size.

That being said, if this update is any indication I think it's going to take a while for me to get used to how Christopher Baldwin draws faces in this comic. :smalltongue:

[John Campbell]

Christopher Baldwin's Bruno (http://baldwinpage.com/bruno.html) was the first webcomic I read. The guy's a great artist. But I've gotta admit, his Girl Genius style pastiche here makes Zeetha look kind of stoned.

[Landis963]

Since at least the time when they were not nominated for the Hugos. (Follow this finely crafted link (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20130419))

GW

He was a Spark since the Cinderella thing (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20081121). (not sure if he's appeared before then, tho) It's a bit harder to see, since no obvious Madness Place (plus he only shows for one panel), but the font's right.

[The Glyphstone]

Yeah, Agatha's not terrible (though more angular than usual), but Zeetha looks like you could white-out her speech bubble and replace with 'DERP'.

[Porthos]

Yeah, Agatha's not terrible (though more angular than usual), but Zeetha looks like you could white-out her speech bubble and replace with 'DERP'.

Exactly the word that came to mind as I was thinking about the panel just now.

Hopefully this was just a one-off 'goofy grin for the camera' and the rest of the art is up to his reported standards. For instance, I thought the Charles Darwin-lookalike-in-Foglio-style was rather well done. So that gives me hope that this was a one-off/shakedown cruise type deal.

[memnarch]

Yeah, Agatha's not terrible (though more angular than usual), but Zeetha looks like you could white-out her speech bubble and replace with 'DERP'.

http://i40.tinypic.com/30n9jly.jpg

[petersohn]

I think the art style is pretty good (except for Zeetha), but I have problems with the wording. First, the world is not ruled by mad scientists "poorly", but "badly". Second, there are no such things as "robots", there are "clanks" instead. That's blasphemy! (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/InsistentTerminology) (warning, TV Tropes link) :smallannoyed:

Otherwise, I'm looking forward to this story. I see that the colorist is still Cheyenne.

[factotum]

Somebody should point out to Mr. Baldwin that half of the UK is underwater in the Girl Genius universe, and yes, Zeetha does look a bit derpy...otherwise, I don't have a problem with the art so far. Don't really have much to go on from a single strip, of course, so will have to see if it continues being OK over the next few weeks.

[Grif]

I... uhh... wow.

I really don't like the way the art is going.

[Kislath]

I think it'll be okay. The jokes are good, and of course it looks different, but since it's a wholly different story, I look at it like we're seeing a "Heterodyne Story" as told by someone else.

[Scarlet Knight]

Agatha: "Zeetha! Where have you been?"
Zeetha: "The US! Woodstock specifically. *skiffffffff* You've got to try this!"

[Gez]

*skiffffffff*

The Lost Princess of the Lost City of Skiffffffffander.

[BannedInSchool]

I was expecting more of a "who the @#$% is this supposed to be again?", or an "oh, that's X?" reaction, which I haven't had yet, so I'm relatively fine with the change. :smallbiggrin:

[Morty]

I guess between this and the idiotic development of Klaus uploading himself into Gil, I have no reason to keep reading this comic once more. Oh well. I tried.

[stsasser]

I was expecting more of a "who the @#$% is this supposed to be again?", or an "oh, that's X?" reaction, which I haven't had yet, so I'm relatively fine with the change. :smallbiggrin:

I was baffled by Agatha being played by a boy, then realized it was just the difference between a regular girl and a Foglio girl that threw me off. Derp Zeetha is a perfect one-off character to fill a couple of months.

[Radar]

Apart from the simple fact, that it's immensly difficult to immitate someone's style, there is the problem of scale of the drawings. If you look at Baldwin's comics (for example Spacetrawler (http://spacetrawler.com/2010/01/01/spacetrawler-4/) - very much worth reading by the way), you can see he uses mostly small panels, whereas in Girl Genius he needs to draw really big characters with much higher level of detail.

All in all, I think it's best to wait until the initial shock subsides and then discuss the art in depth.

[Ailurus]

I agree on Derp Zeetha.

That said, the Fortress of Blue Mice means its the Minor Heroes play, which should be a good ride, even if the art is a bit different.


Real spoiler, based on the story of the radio play

Shrink Rays, Othar being an idiot and making a huge mess out of things, Zeetha's Dueling Hammers, and shooting minions out of ballistas. What's not to enjoy?



Anyone who doesn't know already, all the radio plays are listed here (http://girlgenius.wikia.com/wiki/Girl_Genius_Radio_Theatre), and most are downloadable here (http://criticalpressmedia.com/publications/girl-genius-radio-theatre/). (Revenge of the Weasel Queen already got turned into comics)

[Teln]

http://i40.tinypic.com/30n9jly.jpg

Okay, that's going in the reaction images folder.

[VariaVespasa]

I guess between this and the idiotic development of Klaus uploading himself into Gil, I have no reason to keep reading this comic once more. Oh well. I tried.

Can I haz ur stuffs?

Theyre on a holiday, the new art is TEMPORARY till theyre back, de-uproar your panties.

[smuchmuch]

I guess between this and the idiotic development of Klaus uploading himself into Gil, I have no reason to keep reading this comic once more. Oh well. I tried.

(Just out of curiosity, may I ask what you found particulary idiotic about this devellopement ?)

[Morty]

It feels like another layer of complexity on top of an already convoluted plot. We do have several copies of Lucrezia running around already.

[Landis963]

It feels like another layer of complexity on top of an already convoluted plot. We do have several copies of Lucrezia running around already.

Technically, no we don't. Both Zolacrezia and Clankrezia are stuck in the time field, IIRC. The only one remaining is Agatha.

[Traab]

Technically, no we don't. Both Zolacrezia and Clankrezia are stuck in the time field, IIRC. The only one remaining is Agatha.

Maybe maybe not. Clankkrezia might have made it back to the castle wulfenbach with klaus. Remember we dont know HOW he got back or if he even came back alone, because the second gil and tarvek heard he was back they ran like their tails were on fire. We dont see klaus until WELL after his return after gil was knocked out and chained to a table.

[The Glyphstone]

Technically, no we don't. Both Zolacrezia and Clankrezia are stuck in the time field, IIRC. The only one remaining is Agatha.

Then who is leading the forces of the Other that Gil is at war with, according to the Jaegers?

[eee]

Technically, no we don't. Both Zolacrezia and Clankrezia are stuck in the time field, IIRC. The only one remaining is Agatha.

There are hints both of them were out of Mechanicsburg before Klaus set them up, the bomb. While Martellus was talking with Seffie when she told him that the Knights were now working with Gil, Tweedle suggested using Lola to continue the fake Heterodyne Girl scenario. He wouldn't have said that unless he knew that, 2.5 years ago, Zola had gotten out of Mechanicsburg alive and well and should be available to be Pink again.

And during the siege of Mechanicsburg, we (and Gil) were told that a massive rouge force was on its way towards Mechanicsburg from Strumhalten, and that Empire forces sent to stop it were either being wiped out or joining. That strongly suggests someone was using the Voice, both to compel the Strumhalteners and assorted monsters to march towards Mechanicsburg, and to subvert the Empire forces. And the only two people who can use the Voice right now are Agatha... and 'Anevka'.

Our two not so favorite female villains are, I think, out and about, and probably causing trouble...

[PePe QuiCoSE]

I'd say that it's a safe bet Clankcrezia is not in the bubble given comic #4.

[factotum]

I'd say that it's a safe bet Clankcrezia is not in the bubble given comic #4.

Eh? That was Clankcrezia looking through a time window from sometime in the future, so unless you're saying that Mechanicsburg is going to be stuck in the time bubble for the rest of eternity, it doesn't prove one way or the other what she's doing right now.

[Porthos]

New strip is up.

Looking better on the art front. But those toothy smiles are still a little off.

Guess I'm just gonna have to...

Wait for it.

Grin and bear it for now. :smallamused:

[datalaughing]

This guy does facial expressions like he's spent the last decade watching Invader Zim on a constant loop. It's creeping me out.

[PePe QuiCoSE]

Eh? That was Clankcrezia looking through a time window from sometime in the future, so unless you're saying that Mechanicsburg is going to be stuck in the time bubble for the rest of eternity, it doesn't prove one way or the other what she's doing right now.I'm still betting she is not inside. If not that would mean that first the time bubble needs to be resolved before the comic reaches that point of the story. I bet everyone would love that! Another Castle arc!

[Traab]

It reads more like a parody of girl genius than anything.

[factotum]

It reads more like a parody of girl genius than anything.

The writing is the Foglios, though, isn't it? It's just someone else doing the art. I suspect the slightly over-the-top nature of it is because it was originally a radio play, and they always tend to be slightly artificial.

[slayerx]

It reads more like a parody of girl genius than anything.

Its probably because its a direct adaption of the radio play. The radio shows take themselves less seriously than the main comic and have a lot more humor, so calling them a "parody" of girl genius would not be too far off. I mean look at the weasel queen comics(which was also adapted from a radio play); those were full of the more senseless kind of humor that you don't see as much of in the main comic...

Though I will say that some of the humor might be lost. The humor of Zeetha barging in like that and announcing who she is, really all comes in the line delivery; what's funny is just hearing how pointlessly loud she is... Also you don't have to wait 3 days to hear the follow up line... its one of those things that is not as amusing in comic form.

[HandofShadows]

Agatha looks better this time around. Zeetha... still needs work.

Lightning Gun? :smallconfused:

[Grif]

He draws Girl Genius like he does Spacetrawlers. I recognise that creepy smile. :smalltongue:

[Landis963]

That coffee gag becomes even funnier when you take the footnote into account.

[Morty]

They look kind of like inbred orcs. I'm not sure if that's intentional.

[BannedInSchool]

IIRC, the other side stories are a bit more silly than the main story as well, not just the Weasel Queen.

Aha. Found a link to the radio plays in question (http://criticalpressmedia.com/publications/girl-genius-radio-theatre/) that actually leads to something. Not actually that easy to listen to.

Doomed!!!!

[sihnfahl]

This guy does facial expressions like he's spent the last decade watching Invader Zim on a constant loop. It's creeping me out.


Doomed!!!!

Let's sing the Doom song now!

[BannedInSchool]

Ah, @Othar is also tweeting again, btw.

[Porthos]

Ah, @Othar is also tweeting again, btw.

Apparently Phil is unclear on the concept of 'vacation'. :smalltongue: Thanks for the info though, as I hadn't checked it in a while. Too late at night so I'll wait 'till the morning to update the OP.

[datalaughing]

How annoying. After all this time I still had Othar's Twitter on my RSS feed reader just in case it ever started up again. Then it finally does, and it turns out the feed no longer works. :smallannoyed:

[Aquillion]

Its probably because its a direct adaption of the radio play. The radio shows take themselves less seriously than the main comic and have a lot more humor, so calling them a "parody" of girl genius would not be too far off. I mean look at the weasel queen comics(which was also adapted from a radio play); those were full of the more senseless kind of humor that you don't see as much of in the main comic...

Though I will say that some of the humor might be lost. The humor of Zeetha barging in like that and announcing who she is, really all comes in the line delivery; what's funny is just hearing how pointlessly loud she is... Also you don't have to wait 3 days to hear the follow up line... its one of those things that is not as amusing in comic form.Also because in a radio show, you have to have characters announce everything like giant hams (because otherwise listeners will have no idea what's going on.) When you do that in a comic, they come across as ridiculous parodies of themselves.

Like, in this page, Zeetha does this huge over-the-top speech to establish that she's Zeetha, because listeners have nothing else to associate that voice with her.

[Lizard Lord]

I must say, I am really disliking this filler story so far (yes, I know we are still very early in the story.) I understand that it is adapting one of their radio dramas but, as said above, so was the weasel queen story and I really liked that one.

It may have helped that that story actually had Othar in it. While in this story I felt that having Zeetha suddenly talk like Othar very odd and off-putting. Also, while I am not one to get hung up on art in comics (in fact this may be the very first time the artwork ever really bothered me) I find the character's faces to also be odd and very distracting (especially Krosp's).

[Traab]

I must say, I am really disliking this filler story so far (yes, I know we are still very early in the story.) I understand that it is adapting one of their radio dramas but, as said above, so was the weasel queen story and I really liked that one.

It may have helped that that story actually had Othar in it. While in this story I felt that having Zeetha suddenly talk like Othar very odd and off-putting. Also, while I am not one to get hung up on art in comics (in fact this may be the very first time the artwork ever really bothered me) I find the character's faces to also be odd and very distracting (especially Krosp's).

For me, this is ruined because its so clearly NOT meant to be broken up into so many tiny pieces, it just doesnt seem to flow right. Its like breaking up a tv show into vines and showing them one per day.

[slayerx]

One thing that bugs me... Dr. Bonefish's design. Googles, small glasses, wild hair, beard, rubber gloves, Lab coat, suit and tie underneth... its just so generic mad scientist; much too generic from what the foglios put together.

[petersohn]

There is a new comic.

I still don't like Zeetha's face. I like Agatha's though.

[wingnutx]

He draws Girl Genius like he does Spacetrawlers. I recognise that creepy smile. :smalltongue:

He's a lot better at drawing aliens than humans.

[Pantler]

IIRC, the other side stories are a bit more silly than the main story as well, not just the Weasel Queen.

Aha. Found a link to the radio plays in question (http://criticalpressmedia.com/publications/girl-genius-radio-theatre/) that actually leads to something. Not actually that easy to listen to.

Doomed!!!!

Thanks for the link, listening to it was quite fun, and given the current drawing style I couldn't really bear learning the story the other way.

[Kislath]

Well, I like it so far. It's overly goofy and melodramatic, and I LIKE overly goofy and melodramatic sometimes.
It's also pretty funny.
Also, since it's not part of the current storyline, I look at this as a "Heterodyne Story" being told by someone else, and of course a story will take on a whole new ..everything depending on the teller.

I'm predicting that the frog isn't giant sized, but the castle has instead shrunk.

EDIT--
How are you guys playing the actual audio episodes? All I can get are errors saying the files are corrupted.

[BannedInSchool]

Also, since it's not part of the current storyline, I look at this as a "Heterodyne Story" being told by someone else, and of course a story will take on a whole new ..everything depending on the teller.
That is how the Weasel Queen was framed as well, as a story being told within the GG universe by a third party about Agatha Heterodyne, Girl Genius! It's not necessarily a "true story" about Agatha, but it is a Foglio-written non-canon story, for fun. *gasp*

EDIT--
How are you guys playing the actual audio episodes? All I can get are errors saying the files are corrupted.
Huh, I had downloaded them before, but playing off the link in the browser works fine for me just now too. *shrug*

[The Glyphstone]

Well, I like it so far. It's overly goofy and melodramatic, and I LIKE overly goofy and melodramatic sometimes.
It's also pretty funny.
Also, since it's not part of the current storyline, I look at this as a "Heterodyne Story" being told by someone else, and of course a story will take on a whole new ..everything depending on the teller.

I'm predicting that the frog isn't giant sized, but the castle has instead shrunk.

EDIT--
How are you guys playing the actual audio episodes? All I can get are errors saying the files are corrupted.

That's also my prediction, not having listened to the radio play. But it is telegraphed pretty heavily.

[BannedInSchool]

That's also my prediction, not having listened to the radio play. But it is telegraphed pretty heavily.
Agatha is also emphasizing they're not giant frogs, and our titles for this episode are "Minor Heroes" or "Small Problems".

[John Campbell]

Eh? That was Clankcrezia looking through a time window from sometime in the future, so unless you're saying that Mechanicsburg is going to be stuck in the time bubble for the rest of eternity, it doesn't prove one way or the other what she's doing right now.

Von Zinzer appears in the time windows, too, and, too lazy to go back and check, but I'm almost positive that he's definitely inside the Mechanicsburg bubble now.

[Porthos]

Von Zinzer appears in the time windows, too, and, too lazy to go back and check, but I'm almost positive that he's definitely inside the Mechanicsburg bubble now.

I believe this is the last time we saw Von Zinzer (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20121221).

He (as well as Othar) is notably absent in the Cathedral scene with Tweedle. It is possible that he was just outside of the time bubble, since it doesn't quite cover all of the town (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/ggmain/doublespreads/ggcoll13_126_127.html).

NOTE::: If Othar's Twitter is to be believed, Othar is currently gallivanting across the countryside right now. Means that Von Zinzer might as well.

[Ailurus]

EDIT--
How are you guys playing the actual audio episodes? All I can get are errors saying the files are corrupted.

You using this link? (http://criticalpressmedia.com/publications/girl-genius-radio-theatre/) I can download them fine from there.

Alternatively, several of them have live recordings from the cons up on youtube if you want to poke around there. Not sure if Minor Heroes is there, but I know Deathwish Dupree and Revenge of the Weasel Queen are.

[Giggling Ghast]

Oh, I get what's happening now.

Honey, I shrunk Girl Genius. :smallamused:

[HandofShadows]

This sort of tech has been seen before actually. Both in Othar's Twitter and the "Shrinker Mines" deployed against the Baron's forces by Der Kastel. Speaking of Othar. Dosn't he have a Geisterdamen to go ban... er rescue?

[Avaris]

So, over the last few days I have read the first 12 volumes of Girl Genius in dead tree format, which has given me a new appreciation for it. Bits that seemed quite slow when experiencing them online work quite well as story arcs in the finished product, and there are far more 'oh, I remember that from a couple of books ago' moments.

Still, a few questions that were raised...

1) What happened to this clank? (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20060623) I don't believe we see it again after that strip, but it was carrying the original version of Agatha's message.

2) Why on Earth does Agatha like Tarvek? During the arc he was introduced in he never did anything that was likely to endear himself, yet when he returned he was quickly set up as a love rival for Gil? I just can't understand it!

3) This was probably discussed quite recently, but when did Tarvek warn the Vespirary squad about the Baron/Empire? See here. (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20120601) He only knew they were in danger once they'd heard the story about the Storm King, and Klaus was found to be alive very soon after that, at which point Gil and Tarvek were basically running. There is no point Tarvek could have warned them that I can see.

[Morty]

2) Why on Earth does Agatha like Tarvek? During the arc he was introduced in he never did anything that was likely to endear himself, yet when he returned he was quickly set up as a love rival for Gil? I just can't understand it!


Because the authors want a love triangle, I guess. It never made much sense to me either.

[kiapet]

I feel like Tarvek is very likeable in his second appearance, and they just did a rather bad job of introducing him. We were supposed to get "decent but untrustworthy guy with a complexity addiction" but I got "slimeball".

[BannedInSchool]

2) Why on Earth does Agatha like Tarvek? During the arc he was introduced in he never did anything that was likely to endear himself, yet when he returned he was quickly set up as a love rival for Gil? I just can't understand it!
I believe I've heard that in the novelization Tarvek is shown to actually be much more loyal to Agatha and sympathetic to the reader as well. That portrayal was supposedly more in line with what the Foglios intended than came through in the comic with its lack of editing.

[Rodin]

I believe I've heard that in the novelization Tarvek is shown to actually be much more loyal to Agatha and sympathetic to the reader as well. That portrayal was supposedly more in line with what the Foglios intended than came through in the comic with its lack of editing.

Yes, he is. I was quite unsympathetic towards Tarvek until after I read the novel.

The book makes it much clearer that Tarquin is in full survival mode during the whole Sturmhalten arc. He has to suck up to Lucrezia to gain her trust and make her think she's smarter than he is, especially in the areas of personal manipulation. He's also trying to stay one step ahead of his sister, who he knows will fry him if he gets in her way. He's trying to protect Agatha during most of the arc, and really only backstabs her at the one critical moment when the Baron's questor arrives so he can set his own plan to frame the Baron (it was Tarvek who modified the message) into motion. I am admittedly a bit fuzzy on this last - it's been a while since I've read it. The whole thing is one big pileup of different parties working at cross-purposes.

Tarvek still comes off as a bit of a snake, but he's definitely cast in a more positive light. I think the book does specify what happened to that final clank, as well - one of the winged beasties gets it.

I've read both the books and really enjoyed both of them - there's quite a bit of expansion that clears up some of the muddier plot points as well as a bunch of interesting background information. In particular, Punch, Judy, and Krosp get a lot more characterization than they do in-comic, and a lot more time is spent showing Agatha's life at the Heterodyne show.

[Fjolnir]

See I was hoping for "Those aren't Giant FROGS! They're Giant TOADS!" which is also a very bad joke but a man can dream...

[Winterwind]

The book makes it much clearer that Tarquin is in full survival mode during the whole Sturmhalten arc. He has to suck up to Lucrezia to gain her trust and make her think she's smarter than he is, especially in the areas of personal manipulation. He's also trying to stay one step ahead of his sister, who he knows will fry him if he gets in her way. He's trying to protect Agatha during most of the arc, and really only backstabs her at the one critical moment when the Baron's questor arrives so he can set his own plan to frame the Baron (it was Tarvek who modified the message) into motion. I am admittedly a bit fuzzy on this last - it's been a while since I've read it. The whole thing is one big pileup of different parties working at cross-purposes.I honestly never got any other impression than what you describe here from just reading the comic. :smallconfused:

[Morty]

Tarvek has pretty consistently come off as a complexity-addicted git who's convinced he has some sort of right to rule Europe because he's descended from some half-mythical "Storm King", as far as I'm concerned. It's interesting that apparently the book makes him more likeable. Granted, being addicted to over-complicated plans is a very common condition in the GG-verse.

[BannedInSchool]

His plan was so much better too. :smallsmile:

[eee]

So, over the last few days I have read the first 12 volumes of Girl Genius in dead tree format, which has given me a new appreciation for it.

Congratulations!


Bits that seemed quite slow when experiencing them online work quite well as story arcs in the finished product, and there are far more 'oh, I remember that from a couple of books ago' moments.

Still, a few questions that were raised...

<snip>


3) This was probably discussed quite recently, but when did Tarvek warn the Vespirary squad about the Baron/Empire? See here. (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20120601) He only knew they were in danger once they'd heard the story about the Storm King, and Klaus was found to be alive very soon after that, at which point Gil and Tarvek were basically running. There is no point Tarvek could have warned them that I can see.

There are two.... well, 2.5... possible answers to that.

A) As noted, after the Professor told Gil and Tarvek the story Klaus had told him, there wasn't time for Tarvek to inform the Squad of anything, as he and Gil were on the run inside Castle Wulfenbach until Gil dropped him, Othar, and Vole off in the second Falling Machine. However, Tarvek had been running the Empire's defenses up until Gil made it back to CW, it is hardly impossible he'd have been able to send a message to them or, more likely Dr. Bren, warning them of the existence of the Spark Wasp and that all sparks INCLUDING Klaus had to be regarded with suspicion.

B) During his time running the Empire, Tarvek compromised communications security and fixed it so he could hack into Klaus' network and talk to any unit he wanted. With that knowledge, he sent a coded message to the Vespiary Squad after he reached Mechanicsburg, not only telling them that Klaus was Wasped, but that they had to grab all their weasels and get OUT of there, NOW. That would explain why he seemed to know who was in the airship that crashed into Mechanicsburg, and was willing to go to any lengths to rescue the surviving Squaders.

B makes even more sense if

.5) The Vespiary Squad is secretly a Knights of Jove unit; or at least loyal to the Storm King, not Klaus. That would explain why they said the units they snuck out during the Empire's general retreat from Mechanicsburg were going to report to Tarvek, not Agatha.

[scienceguy8]

You guys are just founts of Girl Genius knowledge. I could say "show me the work of Doctor Bunsen Honeydew" and you would be able to post a link to the comic page in question within 12 hours.

[memnarch]

You guys are just founts of Girl Genius knowledge. I could say "show me the work of Doctor Bunsen Honeydew" and you would be able to post a link to the comic page in question within 12 hours.

You mean the thing that needs work right? (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20040204) (12 hours? It's day time, so try 12 minutes :smalltongue:)

[PePe QuiCoSE]

Huh, the guy has the sweet talk, dances and is a Spark. Does a girl need anything else to fall for him? She liked Gil even still when she though of him as evil (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20051111)as his father (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20051114). Lars was a nice guy and she never showed anything else than being fond of him (before his passing). Easy peasy, Agatha likes bad boys.

[BannedInSchool]

See I was hoping for "Those aren't Giant FROGS! They're Giant TOADS!" which is also a very bad joke but a man can dream...
And Zeetha already made that joke in dodging her boast of never having met a giant frog she couldn't defeat.

[Liliet]

Well I like Tarvek. His motivations throughout the Sturmhalten arc were complicated to grasp, but once you did sort of understand what was going on, it wasn't "backstab everyone else so I get what I want". It was at worst "backstab everyone else so I survive" which doesn't pack such a punch, and he was trying to help Agatha, too (would be much safer and easier to just betray her to Lucrezia from the start and not even pretend to be on her side). At best he was trying to do what was best for the Empire, which just happened to be cooperating with everyone he met, if only so he has at least some degree of control over the situation.

And once he got to der Kestle, even survival didn't come into it any more. Remember what he did when Agatha met him? Yeah. And the arc about the illness made it pretty clear that he did care about her more than himself - that adorable bit of arguing with Gil (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20091111), remember? Awww. It was pretty hard to not sympathize with him from that moment. And the hilarious escape (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20120625) from the burning airship (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20120702), too. Tarvek is very, very likable.


(Gil's likability was established in his very first appearance - remember the poor little fish?)

[Kislath]

So I guess I'm the only one who cheered a little when Tweedle's deadly poisoned dagger sunk into Tarvek's chest?

[Liliet]

So I guess I'm the only one who cheered a little when Tweedle's deadly poisoned dagger sunk into Tarvek's chest?Maybe not the only one, but I do want to do to you what Elan did to Tarquin for that >< thoughtcrime!!!!1111

seriously, Tarvek's like #1 likable in his family, even if you don't like him, there's nothing good in someone like Tweedle murdering him.

(it's the same way I feel about Nale's murder, actually - he totally deserved a knife between the ribs, but not from Tarquin)

[Morty]

Tweedle killed, or attempted to kill, more members of his family than Tarvek did, to my knowledge. Therefore, he's more sympathetic. :smalltongue:

[Liliet]

Tweedle killed, or attempted to kill, more members of his family than Tarvek did, to my knowledge. Therefore, he's more sympathetic. :smalltongue:
Um. That's one way of looking at it, but on DnD alignment grade, who would you put higher up the moral scale?

As the other, totally unrelated reason for Tarvek being more sympathetic is he's had more screentime, so we should empathize with him more.

Yes, I'm claiming that people like characters wrong. Also, I'm taking your post seriously. :smallwink:

[Doc Kraken]

I mean, he is making the world a better place...:smalltongue:

[Liliet]

I mean, he is making the world a better place...:smalltongue:
*still totally serious because it's more fun that way*

Well, Tarvek's helping Agatha come to power. I'd say it's advancing a much bigger force for good. BTW, I bet the alignments of all 3 (Gil, Agatha, Tarvek) are Neutral Good :smallamused:

[Persephone_Kore]

Tweedle's awful, but it is possibly worth noting that most of the relatives he killed seem to have been out to kill him at the time, so his attacks on them were neither gratuitous viciousness nor an altruistic attempt at improving the world. ;)

(Tarvek had actually threatened to, although as Tweedle could have avoided that by not kidnapping Agatha, this doesn't help much.)

[factotum]

So I guess I'm the only one who cheered a little when Tweedle's deadly poisoned dagger sunk into Tarvek's chest?

I certainly didn't--even at the time Tweedle didn't seem like the nicest of people, and he hasn't improved since. Given a choice between the two of them I'd take Tarvek every time (unless I was being asked to find the biggest douchebag for a Douchebag Olympics, in which case it'd be Tweedle :smallsmile:).

[Porthos]

OK, I'll admit it. I laughed at the DOOOMED line.

I realize it's difficult to adapt from one medium to another (pacing at the very least is completely different in audio than it is in a webcomic, for instance), but it does seem to be finding its footing a bit more.

And maybe I'm just getting used to the art style, but I'm not finding it as distracting anymore either. Should be interesting to see where this goes.

[Liliet]

Doomed!!!! Doomed!!!!

[HandofShadows]

DooMED! DOOOOMED!

You think that's his job to do that? :smallconfused:

[Liliet]

DooMED! DOOOOMED!

You think that's his job to do that? :smallconfused:

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that makes up at least half his paycheck. Every mad scientist needs a cowardly minion, just like every Sherlock Holmes needs his Watson :smallamused:

[eee]

Tweedle's awful, but it is possibly worth noting that most of the relatives he killed seem to have been out to kill him at the time, so his attacks on them were neither gratuitous viciousness nor an altruistic attempt at improving the world. ;)

It's not entirely clear to me what was going on at that point. Martellus shows up, most of his family tries to kill him, he returns the favor and begins working his way up the chain of command to find out who is organizing this resistance; but then when Seffie arrives the attacks stop. The two hypotheses I've come up with are that Seffie was running the Fortress of Storms and when Tweedle popped out of the portal the rest of the family tried to eliminate him in misguided loyalty to her; or Martellus and Seffie are such heavy hitters that the rest of the family knew letting them get back together would tilt family power politics in their favor and were all trying to prevent that, only to fail in the end. There is also the chance that there was an evil mastermind, it's not Seffie, and he's bidding his time until he can try to kill Martellus again...

[The Glyphstone]

OK, I'll admit it. I laughed at the DOOOMED line.

I realize it's difficult to adapt from one medium to another (pacing at the very least is completely different in audio than it is in a webcomic, for instance), but it does seem to be finding its footing a bit more.

And maybe I'm just getting used to the art style, but I'm not finding it as distracting anymore either. Should be interesting to see where this goes.

The less time Zeetha spends on screen, the better the art. She's the only one that really jars my brain to look at with this art, the others are all at least tolerably recognizable.

[Rodin]

It's not entirely clear to me what was going on at that point. Martellus shows up, most of his family tries to kill him, he returns the favor and begins working his way up the chain of command to find out who is organizing this resistance; but then when Seffie arrives the attacks stop. The two hypotheses I've come up with are that Seffie was running the Fortress of Storms and when Tweedle popped out of the portal the rest of the family tried to eliminate him in misguided loyalty to her; or Martellus and Seffie are such heavy hitters that the rest of the family knew letting them get back together would tilt family power politics in their favor and were all trying to prevent that, only to fail in the end. There is also the chance that there was an evil mastermind, it's not Seffie, and he's bidding his time until he can try to kill Martellus again...

Seffie tells us why - they were trying to get rid of Tweedle without her knowing about it. Presumably, they know that he will go right to the top of the chain, either directly under Seffie or directly beneath her. So, they try to get him out of the way so that their own position isn't threatened.

So it's a little of column A, and a little of column B. Seffie was in control, but the rest of the family thought that she could be dealt with at some point. However, if she teams up with Tweedle, who was the previous leader after Tarvek defected...

[Radar]

There is still a possibility, that Seffi wanted to off Tweedle and simply bluffed, that she didn't authorize the assassination, when he clearly was too strong to handle directly. After all, we are talking about Sturmvoraus family.

[Liliet]

There is still a possibility, that Seffi wanted to off Tweedle and simply bluffed, that she didn't authorize the assassination, when he clearly was too strong to handle directly. After all, we are talking about Sturmvoraus family.
I really hope it doesn't turn out to be that. I mean, I do appreciate the idea that Tarvek and Violetta are the only ones there with something resembling normal human-like family relationship. And yet, I hope Tweedle and Seffie are a genuine loving pair (in the innocent, sibling sense!) too.

[HandofShadows]

New Page.

Bed Warmer? I am NOT going to ask what else it can do. :smalleek:

And I think Othar just showed up.

[Grif]

I am still disturbed by Zeetha. It's as if Chris Baldwin can't make up his mind whether he's supposed to draw her as an overenthusiastic warrior, or a derp one.

[BannedInSchool]

A typo! Girl Genius is RUINED FOREVER! :smallsmile:

[factotum]

I am still disturbed by Zeetha. It's as if Chris Baldwin can't make up his mind whether he's supposed to draw her as an overenthusiastic warrior, or a derp one.

I'm more puzzled by the fact she appears to have fangs in the latest strip...

[Giggling Ghast]

Mechanical bedwarmer? :smallamused:


I'm more puzzled by the fact she appears to have fangs in the latest strip...

She's always had those. Check out Panel 4 of this strip. (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20050523) Or the first panel of this strip. (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20080512)

[Liliet]

Ooh. Isn't that our favorite GENTLEMAN ADVENTURER?

[Kislath]

Looking back, Zeetha always had enlarged, pointy canines. They wouldn't have really passed for fangs, I suppose, but they're prominent enough to be drawn as fangs in caricature.

Funny stuff! And Othar!

[HandofShadows]

Gil has the teeth as well. Not quite as big though.

[SlyGuyMcFly]

Ooh. Isn't that our favorite GENTLEMAN ADVENTURER?

We all know the answer to that :smallamused: :smallbiggrin:

[petersohn]

Zeetha looks worse with each update. :smallsigh: Agatha is still fine, though.

[BannedInSchool]

I am still disturbed by Zeetha. It's as if Chris Baldwin can't make up his mind whether he's supposed to draw her as an overenthusiastic warrior, or a derp one.
That might be a result of some of the gags to come. A derpy overenthusiastic warrior might be a fair interpretation of the character in the script.

I'm more puzzled by the fact she appears to have fangs in the latest strip...
I was going to question if that was just the depiction of the dental U that sometimes looks like fangs, but nope. Fangs all right.

Mechanical bedwarmer? :smallamused:
Quiet, you. :smallsmile:

[Ailurus]

That might be a result of some of the gags to come. A derpy overenthusiastic warrior might be a fair interpretation of the character in the script.


Yeah, can't say I really care for Zeetha's look either, but the radio plays don't put Zeetha in a great light. Derpy Overenthusiastic Warrior is a pretty good description of how she's portrayed.

[Grey_Wolf_c]

Yeah, can't say I really care for Zeetha's look either, but the radio plays don't put Zeetha in a great light. Derpy Overenthusiastic Warrior is a pretty good description of how she's portrayed.

Given past history, this may be a very long set-up for the final joke: each of these mini-stories tends to end with Agatha breaking down a door or wall to try and catch the storytellers. In this case, it might just be a properly-drawn Zeetha instead, quite furious at how badly she has been presented.

Grey Wolf

[BannedInSchool]

Aha! Today's comic is finally up. Cliffhanger!

And who'd have thought a duck could be so terrifying? :smalleek:

[Divayth Fyr]

And who'd have thought a duck could be so terrifying? :smalleek:
It's not the first time in GG ;) (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20091102)

I still can't get used to the art. I probably won't.

[Southern Cross]

Same here. After seeing this, I've been quite put off the idea of reading Spacetrawlers.

[petersohn]

It's not the first time in GG ;) (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20091102)

I still can't get used to the art. I probably won't.

It's not the first comic either. (http://www.thenoobcomic.com/index.php?pos=152)

[Grif]

Same here. After seeing this, I've been quite put off the idea of reading Spacetrawlers.

His art style is more suited for Spacetrawler's format. (Small panels, smaller pages overall, less details.) You should give it a go. It's actually pretty good.

[Radar]

Same here. After seeing this, I've been quite put off the idea of reading Spacetrawlers.
Would be a shame, since it's a really good comics and the art style suits it much better.

[slayerx]

Really? (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20140120)
...
Really? Y'know this made sense when they did it for the weasel queen since the three episodes were broken up between long stretches of normal comics, but this is being down back to back. There is no point to having a recap page. Really, you don't have to adapt EVERYTHING from the radio show.

[Liliet]

Really? (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20140120)
...
Really? Y'know this made sense when they did it for the weasel queen since the three episodes were broken up between long stretches of normal comics, but this is being down back to back. There is no point to having a recap page. Really, you don't have to adapt EVERYTHING from the radio show.
That's humor.

I guess.

[Giggling Ghast]

The restaurants line gave me a larf. :smallbiggrin:

[Kislath]

No Chez Yum for YOU!

I liked the recap. It was funny.

[eee]

The art seems to compliment Othar...

[scienceguy8]

The art seems to compliment Othar...

Perhaps because Othar is basically just a grayer, more broadly-shouldered version of Spacetrawler's Dimitri (http://spacetrawler.com/2013/04/28/spacetrawler-319/)?

[Thomar_of_Uointer]

Really? (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20140120)
...
Really? Y'know this made sense when they did it for the weasel queen since the three episodes were broken up between long stretches of normal comics, but this is being down back to back. There is no point to having a recap page. Really, you don't have to adapt EVERYTHING from the radio show.

Let the team take a break. It'll improve the quality of the upcoming comics.

[slayerx]

Let the team take a break. It'll improve the quality of the upcoming comics.

Which team are you referring too? If you are referring to the foglio's, nothing in my comment even mentioned them. If you are referring to those who are taking over while they take a break, then they are not taking a break since they still had to draw the page. Really the recap should have just been skipped in favor of just moving the story forward

[Porthos]

I finally twigged to what this artist's style reminds me of. Somewhat, at least.

Charles Addams. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Addams)

It was thinking about the look of Squibbs, and I realized it was him the most that reminded me of the style.

Oh, it's not an exact match by any means. For instance, there also seems to be a fair amount of Gahan Wilson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gahan_Wilson) in there as well. Makes me wonder if Christopher Baldwin was infulenced at all by the two.

As for the latest pages, Derpy!Zeetha is looking far less derpy lately, so I'm satisfied.

[wingnutx]

Same here. After seeing this, I've been quite put off the idea of reading Spacetrawlers.

It starts off pretty slow, but ends up being a very good comic.

Took me two tries to get into it, glad I tried it again.

[scienceguy8]

You know, thinking about it at work today, the seemingly needless recap on Monday would not have been so bad if there had been a page in between. Something like "Grandpa Joe's Extra-Virgin Clank Oil, the only clank oil with patented anti-shearing additives. So good, Sparks bellow for it by name. Pick up a case today at your local machinist's shop."

[eee]

Actually, IS Othar Agatha's Nemesis, though? As a Spark she's someone he's sworn to kill (I wonder if there's any way to cure that obsession of his?), but he doesn't seem determined to derail her plans, destroy her resources, and bring her down. Aside from the killing bit, that is.

Pinky. Pinky I think is Agatha's Nemesis. Zola REALLY hates her cousin - and on such short acquaintance, too - and probably dreams of crushing Agatha like a grape. And slowly, too.

On the flip side, there's no question who Agatha is determined to be Nemesis to. The Other is not only a monster, a destroyer, and a fiend who seeks to enslave all humanity, she's also the mother who was and is willing to kill her. There's no maternal love there, and I imagine that as much as Lu's evil is why, if Agatha ever gets a spare minute, she's going to do all she can to destroy her mother and all she's built. :smallfrown:

[Porthos]

Actually, IS Othar Agatha's Nemesis, though? As a Spark she's someone he's sworn to kill (I wonder if there's any way to cure that obsession of his?), but he doesn't seem determined to derail her plans, destroy her resources, and bring her down. Aside from the killing bit, that is.

Pinky. Pinky I think is Agatha's Nemesis. Zola REALLY hates her cousin - and on such short acquaintance, too - and probably dreams of crushing Agatha like a grape. And slowly, too.

On the flip side, there's no question who Agatha is determined to be Nemesis to. The Other is not only a monster, a destroyer, and a fiend who seeks to enslave all humanity, she's also the mother who was and is willing to kill her. There's no maternal love there, and I imagine that as much as Lu's evil is why, if Agatha ever gets a spare minute, she's going to do all she can to destroy her mother and all she's built. :smallfrown:

Depends on when this play was written. I recall when the Fashion Clank first went up it was odd to see Agatha and Othar chummy since at the time they weren't on the best of speaking terms.

I know this was the first convention play that was done, so it was long before Zola entered the scene. I think it might have been before the reveal of what Mommy Dearest was up to. So in that regards, it might fit better.

[HandofShadows]

Hmm. Hope he gets a Big Hammer. :smallbiggrin:

[eee]

What the heck is Zeetha's headband amulet doing in panel 7? It looks like it's sticking out its tongue...

And should Agatha have been able to pull her nightgown off/out like that?

[petersohn]

I see a "Foul!" coming up soon. :smallbiggrin:

[Lochar]

You know, I had high hopes for our temp artist.

And then he proved adept at the Foglio's update cycle. Seconds before midnight to keep it on the Mon/Wed/Fri timeline. :P

[Porthos]

Side Note: Seeing Othar's Twitter feed starting up again makes me realize how much I missed it while it was gone. It really does have a great 'voice' whilst telling a story 140 characters (and less) at a time.

[TaRix]

What the heck is Zeetha's headband amulet doing in panel 7? It looks like it's sticking out its tongue...

And should Agatha have been able to pull her nightgown off/out like that?

"Grandpa, how did you take off your underwear without taking off your pants?"

"I...don't...know!"

[iponly]

You know, I read all of spacetrawler, and it was great. Then he decided to change his art style for the new comic he started after spacetrawler, and I can't stand it. He's using the new style for girl genius too, and I'm just so sorry, because before he decided to try to use overly expressive features, his stuff all fit together and his anatomy was never so uncanny. And now it's terrifying.

There's nothing wrong with stretch and squish and big eyes and all that. But there is something wrong with how he's doing it, because I keep looking at Agatha in that last panel with her bug eyes, flying glasses, and meme-esque mouth, and it is just inhuman.

[Morty]

Like I've said before, they look like deformed orcs.

[factotum]

There's nothing wrong with stretch and squish and big eyes and all that. But there is something wrong with how he's doing it, because I keep looking at Agatha in that last panel with her bug eyes, flying glasses, and meme-esque mouth, and it is just inhuman.

The one I found worst was actually when we were looking down at Othar hanging off the ledge--I can't help but think that if you really can't draw what someone looks like from above when they're looking up at you, you probably shouldn't compose your scene that way... :smallsigh:

[BRC]

The mouths...themouths...they haunt me

[Southern Cross]

That's a relief....
Still though, it's about as bad as the "imitation Liefield art" at Super Chibi Girl (http://superchibigirl.thecomicseries.com/).
Hell,even Dominic Deegan usually had better artwork than this...

[Lizard Lord]

Since when does Othar care when sparks claim to be reformed? He believes Sparks to be the source of all the world's problems and I doubt Dr. Bonefish ("reformed" or not) is the exception to this rule.

Heterodynes are, but Bonefish is clearly no Heterodyne.

[Liliet]

That's a relief....
Still though, it's about as bad as the "imitation Liefield art" at Super Chibi Girl (http://superchibigirl.thecomicseries.com/).
Hell,even Dominic Deegan usually had better artwork than this...
A LOT better, I'd say. It was not creepy and pretty nice.

And not creepy.

[HandofShadows]

Since when does Othar care when sparks claim to be reformed? He believes Sparks to be the source of all the world's problems and I doubt Dr. Bonefish ("reformed" or not) is the exception to this rule.

Heterodynes are, but Bonefish is clearly no Heterodyne.

Well, I don't think this stuff is supposed to be considered canon. And it's even possible that Othar mellowed a little bit.

[Landis963]

Well, I don't think this stuff is supposed to be considered canon.

This. The radio dramas are so non-canon, it's not even funny. :smallconfused: Wait, actually it is funny. Whoops?


And it's even possible that Othar mellowed a little bit.

What's wrong with this picture?

[smuchmuch]

When I saw this strip I though 'hey the art is getting slightly better'. Then last pannel

Agatha, is it really wise to try to take a bite out of Dr Bonefish while Othar is here ?
Oh wait he's apparently on it...

[Divayth Fyr]

Agatha, is it really wise to try to take a bite out of Dr Bonefish while Othar is here ?
Oh wait he's apparently on it...
One panel earlier the doctor was trying to bite Othar ;) Also, am I the only one who thinks Agatha from the last panel looks remarkably similiar to the giant frog from panel 2?

[The Glyphstone]

One panel earlier the doctor was trying to bite Othar ;) Also, am I the only one who thinks Agatha from the last panel looks remarkably similiar to the giant frog from panel 2?

I was thinking exactly that, actually.

[lord_khaine]

Omg.. best comic so far, Othar was hilarious, and so is Zeetha dual wielding hammers :P

[slayerx]

Omg.. best comic so far, Othar was hilarious, and so is Zeetha dual wielding hammers :P

Yes, though its odd... for some reason he made a slight change to the dialogue; in the radio show, Othar originally said he would smash them with a large hammer, instead of a large rock... hence why he is trying to smash them with a hammer.

[The Glyphstone]

Zeetha's face is almost tolerable in this one.

[Lizard Lord]

Okay....when you adapt from one media to another certain things need to change. In a radio drama you need to say everything that is going on because otherwise people won't know. Comics, however, are a visual medium. They operate on a show don't tell policy.

I see no reason what so ever for the "He's hitting me with a hammer" line to stay in this and it actually looses its humor for me.

[HandofShadows]

Hammer Time! :smallbiggrin:

[Agi Hammerthief]

strangely this interlude makes as much sense to me as the original storyline.

[wingnutx]

You know, I read all of spacetrawler, and it was great. Then he decided to change his art style for the new comic he started after spacetrawler, and I can't stand it.

I really hate it as well.

[eee]

Okay....when you adapt from one media to another certain things need to change. In a radio drama you need to say everything that is going on because otherwise people won't know. Comics, however, are a visual medium. They operate on a show don't tell policy.

I see no reason what so ever for the "He's hitting me with a hammer" line to stay in this and it actually looses its humor for me.

It would work if it were more exaggerated. "He's hitting me with a hammer! Ow Ow Ow! Hitting me! With a hammer! OW OW OW! HAMMER! HITTING! OW OW OW OW OW! HE'S LEAVING DENTS! SOMEBODY STOP HIM!!!"

Of course that would lead to a wall of text type speech balloon...

[eee]

I'm hearing a speeded up version of Verdi's "Anvil Chorus / Gypsy Chorus" right now.

Not the "Anvil Head Chorus": I've got no idea how that goes...

[BannedInSchool]

To the Hammer Space (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Hammerspace) page!

Edit: link added just in case someone didn't know

[Traab]

I'm hearing a speeded up version of Verdi's "Anvil Chorus / Gypsy Chorus" right now.

Not the "Anvil Head Chorus": I've got no idea how that goes...

Odd, im hearing a variation of the 1812 overture and its cannon sequence. Just imagine every smack with a hammer is a cannon blast.

[BannedInSchool]

Hmm, Phil, Kaja, and the Experiments are apparently experiencing quite the storm on their semi-evacuated tropical vacation island: http://girlgeniusadventures.com

[Traab]

On the plus side, they seem to be rather enjoying it. I admit, a good storm can be a lot of fun to play in with the right mind set.

[sihnfahl]

I admit, a good storm can be a lot of fun to play in with the right mind set.
Yeah, playing outside during a Category 1 or 2 hurricane is rather interesting.

I draw the line at 3, personally.

[T-Mick]

So little time left... Will we miss a day? :smalleek:


Yeah, playing outside during a Category 1 or 2 hurricane is rather interesting.

I draw the line at 3, personally.

When Katrina went through Louisiana, we played outside through the whole thing. Though where I live, it was equivalent to about category 3-4.

[factotum]

So little time left... Will we miss a day? :smalleek:

What timezone are we talking? Because it's 7:45am in the UK and still no Friday strip...

[Porthos]

*pours a 40 for the death of one of the longest update streaks that I am aware of in drawn webcomic history*

April 18th, 2005 - January 29th, 2014

That's a pretty damn impressive streak that survived multiple health scares. Took a guest cartoonist to break it, it seems.

[Grif]

*pours a 40 for the death of one of the longest update streaks that I am aware of in drawn webcomic history*

April 18th, 2005 - January 29th, 2014

That's a pretty damn impressive streak that survived multiple health scares. Took a guest cartoonist to break it, it seems.

Does a guest cartoonist even count? :smalltongue:

[Porthos]

Does a guest cartoonist even count? :smalltongue:

If it didn't then the streak would have been broken when they went on vacation. :smallwink:

Still, I see your point. I imagine the arguments are already starting where they keep track of/care about such things. :smalltongue:

Perhaps an asterisk will be applied when the Foglios start back up. :smallwink:

[petersohn]

While they never missed an update, I remember it sometimes being a day late.

[Porthos]

While they never missed an update, I remember it sometimes being a day late.

From what I recall they always hit with something by 11:59 pm Eastern Time M/W/F (even if it was a B/W pencil that was later colored in). I've missed a couple of days of checking here and there over the last few months or so. But I'm fairly sure the update still always hit by that time. Mostly because someone would have said something in this thread. :smalltongue:

Might have come real close a couple of times (like minutes away), but as far as I am aware, this is the first actual for goodness slip.

NOTE: Can't always trust the days given on the archive pages, as I've noticed they can be a bit wonky at times, for whatever reason.

[Radar]

*pours a 40 for the death of one of the longest update streaks that I am aware of in drawn webcomic history*

April 18th, 2005 - January 29th, 2014

That's a pretty damn impressive streak that survived multiple health scares. Took a guest cartoonist to break it, it seems.
It's a very good update streak, but they have nothing on Howard Tayler - the author of Schlock Mercenary. He updates daily, started on June 12th 2000 and never missed a day. It took a fire in the server building to even delay his updates (as far as I remember). I have yet to see someone as orginised and inhumanly dependable.

[petersohn]

From what I recall they always hit with something by 11:59 pm Eastern Time M/W/F (even if it was a B/W pencil that was later colored in). I've missed a couple of days of checking here and there over the last few months or so. But I'm fairly sure the update still always hit by that time. Mostly because someone would have said something in this thread. :smalltongue:

Might have come real close a couple of times (like minutes away), but as far as I am aware, this is the first actual for goodness slip.

NOTE: Can't always trust the days given on the archive pages, as I've noticed they can be a bit wonky at times, for whatever reason.
So the latest they delay is by midnight. In Europe, that makes it somewhere before dawn, the time when I would never read the update before next morning. That makes sense. I usually see the update on the afternoon, but sometimes in the evening or next morning.

[Porthos]

It's a very good update streak, but they have nothing on Howard Tayler - the author of Schlock Mercenary. He updates daily, started on June 12th 2000 and never missed a day. It took a fire in the server building to even delay his updates (as far as I remember). I have yet to see someone as orginised and inhumanly dependable.

I knew someone was going to bring up Schlock. which is why I said one of. :smalltongue: The other ones that comes to mind are things like Skin Horse/Narbonic and Irregular Webcomic/Darths and Droids.

However, as massively impressive as Tayler's accomplishment is (and it is massively massively massively so), in my mind it's still not quite the same as knocking out a full page comic three days a week. How the hell the Foglios/Wright managed it for almost nine years, I haven't a clue. I think people underestimate how difficult that is.

Still, I have been expecting this for a while now. For the longest time, they had it up at precisely midnight MWF, nearly without fail. The longest they were ever delayed was for around 45 minutes or an hour (due to the aforementioned health emergencies).

However, in the last year, year-and-a-half or so, their Real Life schedule looks to have finally caught up with them. Instead of updating precisely at midnight, it would usually come up within a couple of hours of midnight. Often times though, it would update sometime during the actual day. And, as I said earlier, sometimes they made it by the skin of their teeth. In that time, I haven't once seen it up early (the now outdated Sneaky Gate).

Today is the first day that I am actually aware of that it has entirely slipped the update window. Maybe it was the guest cartoonist. Maybe it was Cheyenne not finishing the colors in time. Maybe it's the uploader. Don't know. But I do think it is worthy to note it's passing. If only to salute the accomplishment of knocking out a full page comic without fail for nearly nine years.

Technical Note: Yes, I am aware that they put up a repeat once (twice?) at Christmas. Meh. I am also aware that some might not count the paper doll strips as 'updates'. Double Meh. :smalltongue:

So, as I said, I pour a forty out in acknowledgement of a damn fine accomplishment. No more, no less. :smallsmile:

[BannedInSchool]

And for some of us who just got here, we're asking, "What do you mean no Friday update? It's right there!". :smallbiggrin:

[eee]

I am pleased to see Zeetha is physically much superior to Othar. At least in this odd universe where Agatha can apparently unhinge her jaw... :smalleek:

[petersohn]

I like Agatha's expression on the last panel. :smallbiggrin:

[HandofShadows]

No surprise at all that Zeetha can take Othar. Her skills are up near Gil's and Gil can take down Othar without a huge problem. And the last panel is great. :smallbiggrin:

[Rockphed]

I can't tell if Othar is a complete moron or just really, really thick skulled. Either way, it is impressive that he can still think when the coup de sludge was about to be given.

[HandofShadows]

Very, VERY VERY thick skull.

[Gez]

I think Zeetha's hammers (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20140129) were meant to be smaller. Both Othar's incredulousness and Agatha's comment about the "proud race of carpenters" lead one to think the hammers were supposed to be tool-sized, not weapon-sized.

[HandofShadows]

Considering that tht duel with hammers, they are certainly meant for hitting other people and not nails. :smallamused:

[Scarlet Knight]

No surprise at all that Zeetha can take Othar. Her skills are up near Gil's and Gil can take down Othar without a huge problem. And the last panel is great. :smallbiggrin:

Othar is a hero...which means he is easy to take down and imprison. However, he is also nearly impossible to keep down, much less kill.

[Thomar_of_Uointer]

I think Zeetha's hammers (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20140129) were meant to be smaller. Both Othar's incredulousness and Agatha's comment about the "proud race of carpenters" lead one to think the hammers were supposed to be tool-sized, not weapon-sized.

The hammers need to be comically sized. Thus, bigger is better.

[Kislath]

Ballista room?

The whole room is going to be launched at a zeppelin?

[Landis963]

Ballista room?

The whole room is going to be launched at a zeppelin?

No, of course not.

It's going to be launched at the shrinking machine.

Such distinctions are important, you know. :smallwink:

[ChowGuy]

No, of course not.

It's going to be launched at the shrinking machine.

Such distinctions are important, you know. :smallwink:

Quite so. Bonefish may be an insane spark (wait, is that redundant?) but at least he's smart enough to be draining the swamp (however dubious his methods). Othar is the one who would be building an ACME Alligator Killing Hammering Machine.

[Doc Kraken]

Bonefish may be an insane spark (wait, is that redundant?)

Disgustingly so. :smallbiggrin:

Actually, this page is the first one where Bonefish really gives off the "Spark" vibe for me (fittingly enough, I think it's his first Madness Text moment). I mean, he's clearly a deranged scientist, but his expression in the last panel...it's just so gleeful!

[The Glyphstone]

Friday will be another Recap page, so see everybody on Monday when the plot actually advances.

I feel like I'm trapped inside the time-bubble at Mechanicsburg.

[factotum]

Friday will be another Recap page

And lo, it came to pass even as you predicted! Can you tell me next week's winning lottery numbers, O great one? :smallbiggrin:

[Porthos]

And lo, it came to pass even as you predicted! Can you tell me next week's winning lottery numbers, O great one? :smallbiggrin:

4 8 15 16 23 and 42

Sadly you'll only win about $20 since even to this day thousands of people are probably still using them. :smalltongue:

[eee]

Bete noire is a pretty good description of Othar, from Agatha's point of view.

I wonder how they're going to stick the landing...

[eee]

They handled the landing pretty well, I must say. Mr. Squibbs is happy.

Zeetha is very pragmatic. Agatha seems pleased at the prospect of Othar's impending possible demise.

[HandofShadows]

People aren't considerate enough to bring thier own rope. That really could be taken a few different ways.......:smalleek:

Getting more used to the art and I think he's getting better.

[Ivrytwr]

Not a fan of the art, but I think he is getting a better grip on the characters. The intermission is moving forward now (thanks to the ballista!).
Wouldn't mind seeing Othar getting thumped again. Those were always funny: "FOUL!"

[Lochar]

He's doing better on the characters as well. Zeetha's eyes are normal in the panel before last.

[Kislath]

"...We do this a lot."

Now I have to wonder... how do they put it back again?

[HandofShadows]

Ants... :smalleek:

[Traab]

"...We do this a lot."

Now I have to wonder... how do they put it back again?

They use HIS shrinking machine. They bring it out to the room, shrink it down, do some easy repairs and place it back in the right spot, then enlarge it. Duh.

[eee]

Mr. Squibbs is having an active day! I hope the doctor has replacements...

[stsasser]

Did the Foglios really post a picture of their daughter on the Internet???:smalleek:

[TheStranger]

Did the Foglios really post a picture of their daughter on the Internet???:smalleek:

It's not like they're the only ones. There should really be PSAs about this. The internet is a scary, scary place.

[eee]

Did the Foglios really post a picture of their daughter on the Internet???:smalleek:

Celebrity stand in. (nod, nod)

[Lochar]

She is cute though, even if she does look like she's just putting up with the crazy.

[factotum]

You know, I think I've put my finger on what I don't like about these radio play adaptations. The main Girl Genius storyline is essentially a serious story, but in a silly setting. The radio plays appear to be all the silly, all the time, and I don't like that.

[Kislath]

Kinda hard to argue against Othar's logic on this one.

[HandofShadows]

Spark reasoning at its worst. Or is that at its best? :smallconfused:

[eee]

Kinda hard to argue against Othar's logic on this one.

It would depend on how comprehensive the shrinking effect is. If the machine shrinks the Earth but not itself, you'd wind up with the Earth having a new, huge, Shrink Machine mountain on it. There would also be the problem that it doesn't restore things to normal, it just reduces things down to the same scale as Agatha and company.

Agatha should have let Zeetha ball peen Othar into the ground...

[Qwertystop]

It would depend on how comprehensive the shrinking effect is. If the machine shrinks the Earth but not itself, you'd wind up with the Earth having a new, huge, Shrink Machine mountain on it. There would also be the problem that it doesn't restore things to normal, it just reduces things down to the same scale as Agatha and company.

Agatha should have let Zeetha ball peen Othar into the ground...

If everything was reduced to that scale, it wouldn't matter - the only difference would be that the shrinking machine no longer works on anything.

The bigger problem is that it's unlikely to work on all the things that aren't the Earth, like people, animals, plants, assorted inanimate objects...

Also, the earth's orbit might have some problems.

[Ibrinar]

If everything was reduced to that scale, it wouldn't matter - the only difference would be that the shrinking machine no longer works on anything.

The bigger problem is that it's unlikely to work on all the things that aren't the Earth, like people, animals, plants, assorted inanimate objects...

Also, the earth's orbit might have some problems.
Or trouble with the normal sized moon, and it would rapidly lose atmosphere which would also change the surface temperature even without the orbit changing. Also square cube law, reducing the radius to 1/10 reduces the mass and volume to 1/1000 of the former values, that changes a few things in relation to gravity.
Hmm shrinking the earth might make a good xkcd what if.

[BannedInSchool]

And if you don't shrink the atmosphere as well the oxygen molecules will be too big to be breathed! :smallbiggrin:

[lilyward]

I really enjoy reading this comic hahaa is very funny :D

[ChowGuy]

If everything was reduced to that scale, it wouldn't matter - the only difference would be that the shrinking machine no longer works on anything.

The bigger problem is that it's unlikely to work on all the things that aren't the Earth, like people, animals, plants, assorted inanimate objects...

Also, the earth's orbit might have some problems.Or trouble with the normal sized moon, and it would rapidly lose atmosphere which would also change the surface temperature even without the orbit changing. Also square cube law, reducing the radius to 1/10 reduces the mass and volume to 1/1000 of the former values, that changes a few things in relation to gravity.
Hmm shrinking the earth might make a good xkcd what if.


Gahhhh! It's bad enough when you people do this with OotS, but are you really going to pick holes in a comic about SCIENCE! ? :smallsigh:

[BannedInSchool]

There would also be the problem of both shrinking and enlarging rays no longer working if the whole world were shrunk. Shrinking rays because everything was already shrunk, and enlarging rays because things would need to be un-shrunk, not enlarged from normal size. :smallbiggrin:

[Cracklord]

Exceptional use of lateral thinking nonetheless.

[Gez]

Assuming it will shrink the entire planet (rather than just an area of it, like when it shrunk the castle), and in doing this shrinks everything on the planet as well, won't it shrink the shrinking device also, as well as the shrunk people on it? Planet gets smaller, but the size difference remains.

[scienceguy8]

Has this man never heard of Wombo mode?

[factotum]

Exit Othar...but he'll probably be back.

[ChowGuy]

That poor poor froggie :smalleek: Cruelty to animals, that is.

[HandofShadows]

FOUL! :smallbiggrin:

[Winterwind]

I feel they really missed out on an opportunity here by having him fall into a giant frog, rather than a giant duck.

"FOWL!"

:smalltongue:

[Kislath]

I think I'm actually going to miss all of this slapstick humor once we get back to the real comic.