Epic caster and Antimagic Field?

[heavyfuel]

Simple question: Barring the Initiate of Mystra, can an epic caster cast in an antimagic field?

If yes, how so? And can said advantage be nullified?

Thanks!

[Zanos]

Are you talking about Epic Spells themselves, or just some caster that's level 21+?

SRD on epic spells in antimagic fields:

Antimagic field does not automatically suppress epic spells as it does standard spells. Instead, each time an epic spell is subject to an antimagic field, make a dispel check as a 20th-level caster (1d20 + 20). The epic spell has a DC of 11 + the epic spell’s spellcaster level. If the suppression check is successful, the epic spell is suppressed like any other spell. If the dispel check is unsuccessful, the epic spell functions normally.

There are various tricks that you can use to circumvent an antimagic field with non-epic spells, but I don't think any of them apply anymore to epic characters than non-epic ones.

[heavyfuel]

Are you talking about Epic Spells themselves, or just some caster that's level 21+?

SRD on epic spells in antimagic fields:


There are various tricks that you can use to circumvent an antimagic field with non-epic spells, but I don't think any of them apply anymore to epic characters than non-epic ones.

Thanks dude. I was AFB and didn't know the exact mechanics of it. Thanks!

[EugeneVoid]

Invoke Magic?

[Emperor Tippy]

Cast an Epic Ward seed spell set to protect the caster from an AMF. Never have to worry about AMF's again.

[Starmage21]

Cast an Epic Ward seed spell set to protect the caster from an AMF. Never have to worry about AMF's again.

Much more fun to use Mythal :D

[Psyren]

Much more fun to use Mythal :D

Mythal seed is stationary while Ward moves with the caster, so Ward is actually the better choice for this. The best part is that whoever is using AMF on you will have no idea you're warded against it until it's too late and you've shapeshifted into a dire hippopotamus in melee or whatever.

[Starmage21]

Mythal seed is stationary while Ward moves with the caster, so Ward is actually the better choice for this. The best part is that whoever is using AMF on you will have no idea you're warded against it until it's too late and you've shapeshifted into a dire hippopotamus in melee or whatever.

Mythal is only stationary if you use the Capstone mitigating factor. Otherwise, nothing keeps Mythal from being a personal spellmantle :D

[Psyren]

Mythal is only stationary if you use the Capstone mitigating factor. Otherwise, nothing keeps Mythal from being a personal spellmantle :D

No, it's centered on a point in space no matter what - that point is stationary.

What the capstone factor does is place the Mythal inside an object (a pillar, heart tree etc.) and if that object is destroyed the mythal spell will end. That's not what I'm talking about - the mythal seed itself is fixed whether you do that or not.

[AWiz_Abroad]

Well, as far as casting in an AMF, Selective Spell it.

Pro-Tip, you don't even have to be epic

[Psyren]

Selective AMF is not as great as it sounds. If you're not affected by it, then lots of the things AMF protects you from go right back to being harmful.

[Emperor Tippy]

Selective AMF is not as great as it sounds. If you're not affected by it, then lots of the things AMF protects you from go right back to being harmful.

Except that they don't. AMF covers an *area*, not an individual. Selective lets you ignore it but it does not make your *square* uncovered by the AMF and AMF's block magic by suppressing any magic that enters a covered *square*.

This is why Selective AMF is so nice while Extraordinary Spell Aim AMF is so easy to punish brutally.

[Psyren]

Except that they don't. AMF covers an *area*, not an individual. Selective lets you ignore it but it does not make your *square* uncovered by the AMF and AMF's block magic by suppressing any magic that enters a covered *square*.

But by that logic it will still shut off all your buffs. If you try to separate the magic from the creature in this way, then the AMF doesn't affect *you,* but it does affect the spells that are on you and the spells you try to use, because they are in the area. It feels like you're trying to have your cake and eat it. Either the AMF affects you or it doesn't, and if it doesn't, it's not protecting you either (from targeted spells at least.)

[Emperor Tippy]

But by that logic it will still shut off all your buffs. If you try to separate the magic from the creature in this way, then the AMF doesn't affect *you,* but it does affect the spells that are on you and the spells you try to use, because they are in the area. It feels like you're trying to have your cake and eat it. Either the AMF affects you or it doesn't, and if it doesn't, it's not protecting you either (from targeted spells at least.)

You get to ignore it and the rules cover attended magic items and buffs as part of you so they get to ignore it. Targeted spells have a target location that is covered by an AMF (the square being covered) and thus are suppressed.

A targeted spell that hit you would not be suppressed by a Selective AMF that you entered later but so long as you were in it, you couldn't be hit with it in the first place (the spell being suppressed as its caster does not get to ignore the AMF).

[Psyren]

You get to ignore it and the rules cover attended magic items and buffs as part of you so they get to ignore it.

They are part of you for the purpose of saving throws but AMF doesn't have any.


Targeted spells have a target location that is covered by an AMF (the square being covered) and thus are suppressed.

My reading though is that once the spell actually lands on you (which it will, because AMF doesn't block line of effect) then it will have its full effect because no spell on your is suppressed by a selective AMF.

[Starmage21]

They are part of you for the purpose of saving throws but AMF doesn't have any.



My reading though is that once the spell actually lands on you (which it will, because AMF doesn't block line of effect) then it will have its full effect because no spell on your is suppressed by a selective AMF.

AMF Does block line of effect IIRC.

*edit*
Supporting information: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20050503a

[Psyren]

AMF Does block line of effect IIRC.

*edit*
Supporting information: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20050503a

That is Skip being wrong due to passing off his houserules as RAW (again.)
Rules Compendium pg. 11 - "Spells don’t function in an antimagic area, but an antimagic area doesn’t block line of effect."