Eternal Wand of Divine Power?

[Yogibear41]

Is there anyway to make an Eternal Wand(3rd level and lower arcane spells online MIC PG. 159) of Divine Power ? (4th level divine spell PHB) or the equivalent off?

[Kelb_Panthera]

Wondrous item of spell trigger completion divine power limited to 2/day.

((750*4*7)*2)*0.4=16800gp

750 Constant for spell trigger completion, 50 charges.
4 spell level
7 caster level
2 continuous item cost is calculated as 100 charges
0.4 twice per day (converted from 2/5)

16800gp should be about right.

[Uncle Pine]

Sanctum Spell decreases the effective level of a spell of 1 if the spell isn't cast inside the sanctum. So a sanctum divine power counts as a 3rd level spell for "all effects dependent on spell level" and thus you could craft an eternal wand of sanctum divine power.

[Kelb_Panthera]

Sanctum Spell decreases the effective level of a spell of 1 if the spell isn't cast inside the sanctum. So a sanctum divine power counts as a 3rd level spell for "all effects dependent on spell level" and thus you could craft an eternal wand of sanctum divine power.

Only if the spell appears on an arcane list somewhere. Only arcane spells can be made into eternal wands.

[AMFV]

Only if the spell appears on an arcane list somewhere. Only arcane spells can be made into eternal wands.

Arcane Disciple should be able to fix that. Southern Magician could potentially fix it, although that's a less clear ruling.

[TuggyNE]

Or you could do some weird shenanigans with, I dunno, Alternate Source Spell or Southern Magician or whatever, plus Sanctum Spell.

Probably easiest to go with a custom item, though.

[AMFV]

Or you could do some weird shenanigans with, I dunno, Alternate Source Spell or Southern Magician or whatever, plus Sanctum Spell.

Probably easiest to go with a custom item, though.

I believe Arcane Disciple does it. I guess if you're a divine caster Southern Magician would work, although that's blowing several feats on this, and as a divine caster at that point you might as well just get DMM persist and be done with it.

[Kelb_Panthera]

Well I suppose an arcanist with arcane disciple or a divine caster with southern magician could do it as long as they also had sanctum spell.

Finding a 7th level spell slinger with two specific feats that also happens to be able to craft eternal wands might be a little tricky though. It strikes me as too specific to be generally available.

[AMFV]

Well I suppose an arcanist with arcane disciple or a divine caster with southern magician could do it as long as they also had sanctum spell.

Finding a 7th level spell slinger with two specific feats that also happens to be able to craft eternal wands might be a little tricky though. It strikes me as too specific to be generally available.

That's what Psychic Reformation is for! And Thralls!

[Uncle Pine]

Finding a 7th level spell slinger with two specific feats that also happens to be able to craft eternal wands might be a little tricky though. It strikes me as too specific to be generally available.

Specific? Yes.
Generally available? Probably not.
Possibly available? Certainly! And it would be way cheaper (~35% cheaper) than the equivalent wondrous item.

[Fouredged Sword]

Common, no.

Generally available, no.

Able to be snagged with a exp free wish scroll made from a wish trap, YES!

If it is technically possible, one can wish for it. Then your incantrix can persist it and COD all the way to the bank as well.

[Kelb_Panthera]

Common, no.

Generally available, no.

Able to be snagged with a exp free wish scroll made from a wish trap, YES!

If it is technically possible, one can wish for it. Then your incantrix can persist it and COD all the way to the bank as well.

Yeah.....

I'm confident enough in the truth of it to say, "That's probably a higher level of op than is generally considered acceptable by most groups."

[Fouredged Sword]

My point was to suggest that there is a curve to this sort of thing. Can this be done is a question with a surprising degree of flex.

[Kelb_Panthera]

I honestly don't see why a regular wand isn't an acceptable alternative. Yeah, it's more expensive but it's also available whenever you need it and if you do only use it twice a day it'll last nearly a month; way longer than is necessary to earn the gp to replace it several times over when it burns out.

[Fouredged Sword]

Eternal wands don't take UMD checks to use.

An arcane spellcaster is unlikely to have invested in UMD, and will not have divine power on their spell list, so they have a problem activating it as a wand.

[Kelb_Panthera]

Eternal wands don't take UMD checks to use.

An arcane spellcaster is unlikely to have invested in UMD, and will not have divine power on their spell list, so they have a problem activating it as a wand.

I'm aware of this. If an arcanist is that concerned with getting the spell, however, he can simply pick up the arcane disciple feat himself. At that point he can cast the spell once per day, if he has sufficient wisdom and high enough spell slots, activate normal wands for the spell, or even cook up this franken-wand himself.

If he is a UMD'er anyway, however, the standard wand requires jumping through a lot fewer hoops and is arguably the better item for that particular spell.

[Yogibear41]

Eternal wands don't take UMD checks to use.


and why not? its still a wand, I want to make and use this as an artificer.

[Coidzor]

and why not? its still a wand, I want to make and use this as an artificer.

As an artificer I think you wanna get a schema or two instead, IIRC.

[Twilightwyrm]

Judging by the responses here, it is possible to make such a wand yourself, but do not expect to find one either a) lying around or b) at your local Magic Mart.

[kabreras]

IMO it is way easyer to make it a wondrous item, and you dont end up with the UMD check.

As a DM i would accept the wondrous item without any problem, yet the wand with all the crap needed to make it would get a swift ban or a 3% chance to find the guy able to make it.

For me a guy with class levels like the one needed to make the wand is not played as a simple vendor.
It is a NPC with background and a hightly specialised field... His items will most likelly cost a lot to get :p

[AMFV]

Judging by the responses here, it is possible to make such a wand yourself, but do not expect to find one either a) lying around or b) at your local Magic Mart.

Although since it is possible a Warlock should be able to make it, without any special optimization. Given an adequate spellcraft role.


IMO it is way easyer to make it a wondrous item, and you dont end up with the UMD check.

As a DM i would accept the wondrous item without any problem, yet the wand with all the crap needed to make it would get a swift ban or a 3% chance to find the guy able to make it.

For me a guy with class levels like the one needed to make the wand is not played as a simple vendor.
It is a NPC with background and a hightly specialised field... His items will most likelly cost a lot to get :p


Also anybody with Wish, or any Warlock above level 11 can create an item even if they can't cast the spells required to create it, so since the spells are possible Sanctum Divine Power is a thing, a warlock should be able to make it for you.

[kabreras]

Sure, but can you explain to me how a warlock 11, that only can cast invocations can take sanctum spell that is a spell metamagic ?

Dont expect a NPC that is level 10+ with classes levels to sell you stuff for the basic prizes...

[AMFV]

Sure, but can you explain to me how a warlock 11, that only can cast invocations can take sanctum spell that is a spell metamagic ?

Dont expect a NPC that is level 10+ with classes levels to sell you stuff for the basic prizes...

Actually it's 12th level, they imbue item, and why would they not sell you an item, are you implying that there are no Warlocks anywhere above 11th level who are willing to sell an item, that seems like a more dangerous assertion, I mean they make a lot of money on it, since you're buying it at cost. That's like implying that scrolls about 5th level are impossible to find in the setting, which is simply overwritten by the DMG. Now you can houserule that, but it is a houserule.

[Kelb_Panthera]

Sure, but can you explain to me how a warlock 11, that only can cast invocations can take sanctum spell that is a spell metamagic ?

Dont expect a NPC that is level 10+ with classes levels to sell you stuff for the basic prizes...

No metamagic feat that I'm aware of actually requires spell casting ability of any kind. Most of them don't have any requirements at all and the ones that do usually only require one or more other metamagic feats.

That said, none of that matters to a warlock of level 12th level or higher with the appropriate crafting feat. The imbue item feature allows you to emulate being able to cast any spell with a successful UMD check. The arcane version of sanctum divine power is a spell and, thus, can be emulated.

Since the op has said he's building an artificer, I strongly advise him to observe the old axiom; "choose your battles." Getting the DM to okay such an item just to save a few thousand gp will almost certainly require more effort than it's worth, especially in light of the fact that such an item is mechanically very close to a normal wand and, in this case, a dramatically inferior option to simply getting a lesser schema or two.

[WhamBamSam]

Only if the spell appears on an arcane list somewhere. Only arcane spells can be made into eternal wands.A Wyrm Wizard or a Dragon could know Divine Power as an arcane spell.

[AMFV]

A Wyrm Wizard or a Dragon could know Divine Power as an arcane spell.

Or anybody with Arcane Disciple in the correct domain.

[Phelix-Mu]

Which spell list something appears on is pretty much a technicality once someone applies sufficient op.

[WhamBamSam]

Or anybody with Arcane Disciple in the correct domain.Derp. Yes indeed. I forgot about that, and thought I was being clever. I keyword searched my methods to make sure no one else had mentioned them, but didn't read through the whole thread properly.

[AMFV]

Derp. Yes indeed. I forgot about that, and thought I was being clever. I keyword searched my methods to make sure no one else had mentioned them, but didn't read through the whole thread properly.

Also a Rainbow Servant has that ability which is certainly something a Warlock can copy with Imbue item.