Making pyrokineticist full bab ?

[CyberThread]

I know that 3rd party everyone loves for psi, suggests making pyro full bab, does making it full bab, make it more viable then in the past for any particular builds?

[The Viscount]

While making pyrokineticist full BA does make it somewhat more useful, but (at least to me) it has other problems that require addressing.

The first is that fire resistance is very common. This problem is readily solved with the Variant Pyrokineticists (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20040625e) for the other energy type, though the way they're presented is more as an adaptation of the class than as RAW-solid classes, so they require some DM adjudication.

The second, more serious problem, is that the abilities of pyrokineticist do not interact with each other. You have 5 abilities that are focused on dealing pure damage to your enemies, 6 if you count the 1/day nova conflagration. While you could potentially use both hand afire and weapon afire, you need to be 1 hand fighting and striking with the other hand, which is sub-optimal. Attempting to use fire lash means you cannot use both of the afire abilities as well, the damage from nimbus has no interaction with other damage, and using bolt of fire means you cannot use any of the other attack forms in the same round. This means you are constantly having to choose between which of your features to use.

On a third note, the saves for Pyromancer abilities are awkward and could do with standardization. Cha-based saves seem especially irritating on a class that has nothing do suggest cha reliance.

So in summary yes it does make it more viable, but at least in my eyes it's not viable enough.

[danzibr]

I doubt it'll be op. However, it seems unnecessary. The two main features (the whip and the bolt) are touch attacks. If you're going to "fix" the class, probably something else should be done.

Here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13218562&postcount=5)'s a threat listing shortcomings of Pyrokineticist. In particular, their whip.

Here (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=6073.0) are two (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=1531.0) handbooks for the class.

And here (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=1531.0)'s a base class homebrew.

Looking a the above resources, it seems Pyro is fine as-is. To add more options, you may want to talk to your DM as treating it as a whip for more than just the purposes of feats.