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Stea1k
2014-01-06, 02:48 PM
I will be running a ridiculous single session with some friends and just wanted to know if, by RAW, I was required to use the 'raven' animal from MM as a stat block for chickens (modified or not).

CrazyYanmega
2014-01-06, 02:56 PM
-1 INT, -6 DEX, +2 STR, Speed 25, Fly Speed 10 (Poor), and no Weapon Finesse Bonus Feat.

HaikenEdge
2014-01-06, 03:10 PM
From the SRD, regarding the raven:


The statistics presented here can describe most nonpredatory birds of similar size.

The question, then, is if a chicken is a nonpredatory bird of a similar size as a raven.

Stea1k
2014-01-06, 03:24 PM
I have already read both the raven's information and have even checked the 'animal' type. What I am trying to figure out is if, since the chicken (while technically a nonpredatory bird of similar size to a raven) lacks a listing, can I have RAW cheesy fun with it due to the "can describe" part of that sentence. I'm thinking something like the birds from LoZ, or perhaps even more dangerous.

Uncle Pine
2014-01-06, 03:30 PM
The statistics presented here can describe most nonpredatory birds of similar size.

So you can use raven's statistics. As you can make all the goblins in your world NE. However, you can also use different statistics (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9317780&postcount=10).

Stea1k
2014-01-06, 03:37 PM
Excellent, thank you. I believe that answers my question. Plus, that variant rule looks fun.

gorfnab
2014-01-06, 06:36 PM
Page 6 has stats for a rooster. (http://www.fierydragon.com/downloads/familiars.pdf)

nedz
2014-01-06, 10:00 PM
So you can use raven's statistics. As you can make all the goblins in your world NE. However, you can also use different statistics (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9317780&postcount=10).


Attack: Peck +3 melee (1d2–5)
Full Attack: Peck +3 melee (1d3–5)

Well there seems to be a problem with this chicken.
I suspect both the Pecks should be the 1d3-5 version.

Coidzor
2014-01-06, 11:28 PM
Page 6 has stats for a rooster. (http://www.fierydragon.com/downloads/familiars.pdf)

I was about to get excited, and then I saw that there was no listed availability for either the bighorn sheep or the ostrich. :smallfrown:

Uncle Pine
2014-01-07, 04:51 AM
Well there seems to be a problem with this chicken.
I suspect both the Pecks should be the 1d3-5 version.

Actually, both the pecks should probably be 1d2-5 as the raven's claws. Either way, it's a minor typo since 1d2-5 = 1d3-5 = 1.

Chronos
2014-01-07, 12:50 PM
Well, it could make a difference if the chicken gets buffed enough to cancel out those -5s.

And the "peck" natural attack should probably be called "bite" for the sake of consistency with other animals, but that makes little difference unless you're abusing Warshaper.