First Serious Look at Martial Adepts; simple questions

[GhengisConrad]

Question 1: Maneuver's readied; does this allow you to ready multiples of the same maneuver?

Question 2: Warblade Recovery; Swift Action + Melee Attack = full recovery. If I spend 2 of my 3 maneuvers (lvl 1), can I fully recover while using the swift action and using the last of my maneuvers?

If so, do I then have 2 of 3 left, because I used the last one after my swift action, or would they all be recovered? I'm unclear as to the order of operations involved.

Question 3: Initiator Level; If you are multi-classed as multiple martial adepts, do they all stack for your initiator level? IOW is a WarBlade1/SwordSage2 an Initiator level 3?

[Artillery]

Question 1: Maneuver's readied; does this allow you to ready multiples of the same maneuver?

Question 2: Warblade Recovery; Swift Action + Melee Attack = full recovery. If I spend 2 of my 3 maneuvers (lvl 1), can I fully recover while using the swift action and using the last of my maneuvers?

If so, do I then have 2 of 3 left, because I used the last one after my swift action, or would they all be recovered? I'm unclear as to the order of operations involved.

Question 3: Initiator Level; If you are multi-classed as multiple martial adepts, do they all stack for your initiator level? IOW is a WarBlade1/SwordSage2 an Initiator level 3?

You cannot ready the same maneuver multiple times.

Swift action for recovery followed by a single attack or spending a standard action doing nothing gives you all maneuvers back.

Initiator level is level in initiator class + half non-initiator class levels. Not sure for prestige classes.

[Fouredged Sword]

Initiator level is per class, not in general. A wizard / cleric has a wizard caster level and a cleric caster level. A swordsage / warblade has a warblade initiator level and a swordsage initiator level. They just get to count half of their swordsage levels for their warblade initiator level and vice versa.

PRCs add full levels to both if they say they do or grant initiator stances / maneuvers. (Those may be assigned as desired to one class or the other)

Your listed example is both a Warblade 2 (warblade 1 + swordsage 2/2) and Swordsage 2 (swordsage 2 + warblade 1/2 round down)

[Vortenger]

1. you cannot ready multiple of the same maneuver
2.A warblade may not refresh their maneuvers on the same turn they use one.
3. as above.

[Fouredged Sword]

You CAN ready a maneuver in two different classes though, so your warblade / swordsage can ready the same diamond mind strike twice, once in each classes' pool of maneuvers.

[GhengisConrad]

Is there some other way, perhaps by sacrificing a stance or something, or a feat tree or something, which would grant me one single maneuver indefinitely/at will?

Very interested in Bounding Assault

[Deox]

Psicrystal Affinity to obtain a psicrystal.
Psicrystal Containment to allow your crystal to hold and expend focus (instead of you).
Psionic Meditation which will allow you to regain focus as a move action (instead of a full round).
Psychic Renewal will then allow you to, as a swift action, expend your crystal's focus, spend some power points, and instantly recover any maneuver.

[Darrin]

Is there some other way, perhaps by sacrificing a stance or something, or a feat tree or something, which would grant me one single maneuver indefinitely/at will?

If you already have at least one level in a Martial Adept class, then yes, the Martial Study will add a maneuver to your known list of maneuvers, and you can refresh it like any other maneuver.

The Crown of the White Raven type magic items will also do this, but there is some... disagreement on whether you must still meet the prereqs (including Initiator Level) or if the maneuvers they grant can be used as prereqs for learning new maneuvers.

If you can fit two levels of Chameleon into your build, you can use the "floating feat" to pick up Martial Study. There's a Spell Compendium spell called heroics that can also be used to grab fighter bonus feats... which includes Martial Study and Martial Stance.

[GhengisConrad]

Sorry, I meant, like, being able to just execute the same maneuver over and over again.

Specifically Bounding Assault. I'd like to just do that. Every round.

Is there a way?

Apparently Psionics has a way? I know little about psionics. I'll have to look into it.

[Techwarrior]

You CAN ready a maneuver in two different classes though, so your warblade / swordsage can ready the same diamond mind strike twice, once in each classes' pool of maneuvers.

Not true. You can only know a maneuver one time. I believe the rule for that is in the section where they set down the basic rules for maneuvers.

[Darrin]

Specifically Bounding Assault. I'd like to just do that. Every round.


An Idiot Crusader (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:rfzg6Pnz09YJ:brilliantgameologists. com/boards/index.php%3Ftopic%3D8218.0+idiot+crusader+3.5&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us) could probably do this, but it's trickier to pull off than some people think. You have to advance your "maneuvers granted" faster than your "maneuvers known" (usually through PrCs) until the number of maneuvers you know is equal to the number granted. When you ready them all, they automatically refresh every round. It takes a long while to get it all working... I'm not sure of the ECL, I think around 15? 18?

[Prime32]

Sorry, I meant, like, being able to just execute the same maneuver over and over again.

Specifically Bounding Assault. I'd like to just do that. Every round.

Is there a way?The whole point of the system is not doing the same thing every round, thereby keeping things more varied and more like real combat. If you want to specialise in one trick then use a fighter or barbarian - they're better at it.

[Gemini476]

An Idiot Crusader (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:rfzg6Pnz09YJ:brilliantgameologists. com/boards/index.php%3Ftopic%3D8218.0+idiot+crusader+3.5&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us) could probably do this, but it's trickier to pull off than some people think. You have to advance your "maneuvers granted" faster than your "maneuvers known" (usually through PrCs) until the number of maneuvers you know is equal to the number granted. When you ready them all, they automatically refresh every round. It takes a long while to get it all working... I'm not sure of the ECL, I think around 15? 18?

Isn't there also a way to do this by choosing the same maneuvers for Crusader and your other classes, and therefore only being granted the one or so maneuver you want (WRT, for instance) because of the whole "cannot prepare a maneuver twice" rule?

Basically, you have a single level of Crusader and all of your Maneuvers Known are duplicates from your other classes.

[Darrin]

Isn't there also a way to do this by choosing the same maneuvers for Crusader and your other classes, and therefore only being granted the one or so maneuver you want (WRT, for instance) because of the whole "cannot prepare a maneuver twice" rule?


Some people have proposed that, yes. You use Warblade levels to grab any Stone Dragon and White Raven maneuvers that are shared with Crusader so that when you take your first Crusader level, the only maneuvers left to learn are equal to your number of granted maneuvers. However, rules-wise this is on shakier ground, but I forget the exact reasons why (probably based on some Custserv rulings). Or rather, the rules don't say (Custserv or otherwise) what happens when you're supposed to learn 5 new maneuvers, but only 2-3 are available.

Hmm.

1) Warblade 1. Charging Minotaur, Stone Bones, Douse the Flames.
2) Warblade 2. Leading the Attack.
3) Crusader 1. Crusader's Strike, Vanguard Strike.

Those are the only two maneuvers available to learn. Since those two are either granted or expended but never withheld, you always get granted those two maneuvers every round. If you add Bounding Assault to Crusader later via Martial Study (or various PrCs) and then add Extra Granted Maneuver, then you'd get three maneuvers granted every round, one of them Bounding Assault.

But again, I don't recall exactly why that doesn't work.