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Macabros
2014-01-15, 02:37 PM
Ok so my character I am working on wields a Swordcane but as a vampire also has a Slam and Possibly Claws, I believe he gets a bite too for his Blood Drain ability.

So at 4 BAB how many of those could he use a round and at what penalties.

Flickerdart
2014-01-15, 02:41 PM
Vampires don't get a bite attack - Blood Drain is a special ability that must be used in a grapple.

Natural attacks, at any rate, don't get included in iteratives (normal BAB attacks). So you could attack with a sword, and then your slam (at -5, since it's being used as a secondary) and then your other hand's claw (also at -5). You couldn't use a claw and swing a sword held in that hand in the same round, though.

Coidzor
2014-01-15, 02:43 PM
1 attack with the sword cane.
1 attack per natural weapon (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=482.0) that isn't being occupied wielding the swordcane (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=207928).

So if you have 2 claws, a slam, and a swordcane, and you only have the two hands that have claws on them, one of those claw attacks is sacrificed to wield the swordcane.

Depending upon how your DM decides the slam attack works, you might also be unable to use it while wielding a weapon in one hand or it might conflict with using one or both of your claws.

Macabros
2014-01-15, 02:44 PM
Ok so if the right hand is wielding the sword and it attacks, my left hand slams, my right hand cannot use the claws right?

However if I didnt use the sword I could use the Slam as a Primary and the claws as a secondary right?

IAmTehDave
2014-01-15, 02:44 PM
http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=10994.0; is the in-depth guide to Natural weapons.

For your purposes: If he is using the swordcane then his full attack sequence would be:
1 swordcane: +4 +str (And deal the weapon's damage +str)
1 slam: -1 +str (And deal 1d6 + 1/2 str)
1 claw: -1 +str (and deal 1d4 + 1/2 str)
(This assumes the hand not holding the swordcane isn't otherwise occupied for that claw attack)

If he's not using the cane, then he would just have:
1 slam at +4 +str (1d6 + str)
2 claws -1 +str (1d4 + 1/2 str)
(He gets 1 fewer claw attack per hand holding an item)
(AFAIK The slam doesn't need to be with a hand - it can be any limb usable to slam into an opponent.)

He does not, in fact, get a bite attack or claws from the vampire template. Even if his blood drain is based on biting the victim, the bite is not good enough to use as a combat attack action. It's part of grappling, instead.
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/vampire.htm

Macabros
2014-01-15, 02:46 PM
Claws are from the Witch Hex Nails sorry for not being clear.

Coidzor
2014-01-15, 02:49 PM
Ok so if the right hand is wielding the sword and it attacks, my left hand slams, my right hand cannot use the claws right?

However if I didnt use the sword I could use the Slam as a Primary and the claws as a secondary right?

If you can use the slam and claws at the same time, yes, depending upon whether you're using 3.5 or Pathfinder rules for natural weapons, anyway.

In PF, certain weapons default to being primary natural weapons and certain weapons default to being secondary natural weapons without being specified in the description. In 3.5, certain weapons may be called out as primary but only one set can be used as primary, with all the rest becoming secondary and taking a -5 (-2 w/ Multiattack, +0 with Improved Multiattack) and using half strength.

So, if you're using PF rules (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/rules-for-monsters/universal-monster-rules#TOC-Natural-Attacks) for natural attacks, you'd have a full attack routine of 1 slam +4 BAB +X Str and 2 claws +4 BAB +X Str.

danzibr
2014-01-15, 02:49 PM
In which case, you should get

Swordcane +4, Claw -1, Slam -1,

with relevant modifiers. The -1 comes from +4-5, as all secondary natural attacks come at your full BAB -5 (which can be reduced by Multiattack).

If your DM is a jerk, you might not get the slam.

Chronos
2014-01-15, 03:38 PM
And if your DM is nice but follows the rules, you won't get the slam either. Only one natural attack per weapon, and there's nothing about slams that makes an exception to that.

IAmTehDave
2014-01-15, 03:57 PM
And if your DM is nice but follows the rules, you won't get the slam either. Only one natural attack per weapon, and there's nothing about slams that makes an exception to that.

Slams are also pretty nebulous. There's no indication on the Vampire template that you're using your arms for slams. So you might be able to call it your body or something.