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Thurbane
2014-01-17, 10:10 PM
OK, just wondering what the tier or usefulness of the following hypothetical base class would be:

Duskblade (good BAB, good fort and will saves, same class skills, d8 hit die, same proficiencies) minus all class features except Armored Mage (light at 1st level, medium at 4th).

It's spellcasting is removed, replaced with Bard progression and spells known, and spells list is all Sorc/Wiz spells (up to 6th level).

Thoughts?

Grod_The_Giant
2014-01-17, 11:15 PM
Makes for a pretty fierce gish. I'd say drop it to 3/4 BAB, but really, you're probably jumping straight into Abjurant Champion/Knight Phantom/Eldrich Knight/full-BAB-and-casting PrC of choice, so eh. Be sure to give it enough class features that it's not more worthwhile to PrC out at the earliest opportunity.

Thurbane
2014-01-21, 06:06 AM
Makes for a pretty fierce gish. I'd say drop it to 3/4 BAB, but really, you're probably jumping straight into Abjurant Champion/Knight Phantom/Eldrich Knight/full-BAB-and-casting PrC of choice, so eh. Be sure to give it enough class features that it's not more worthwhile to PrC out at the earliest opportunity.
3/4 BAB would make it significantly weaker than the Battle Sorcerer though?

Grod_The_Giant
2014-01-21, 10:51 AM
3/4 BAB would make it significantly weaker than the Battle Sorcerer though?
Bard progression makes it significantly weaker than the Battle Sorcerer. BAB has relatively little impact on power.

Thurbane
2014-01-21, 08:56 PM
In that case I'd keep it at full BAB.

So where do people think this class sits? About tier 3? Tier 2 maybe?

Thurbane
2014-01-22, 09:24 PM
Bueller? Bueller?

Grod_The_Giant
2014-01-22, 09:39 PM
So where do people think this class sits? About tier 3? Tier 2 maybe?
6th level spells mean it's T3.

Zman
2014-01-22, 10:55 PM
6th level spells mean it's T3.

Right on the money.

IMO, it'd be a class right up my ally.