Leap Attack and Pounce

[GhengisConrad]

Leap attack

"This attack must follow all the normal rules for using the Jump skill and for making a charge"

Pounce is an abnormal rule for charge so... can't use it with Leap Attack... right?

[OldTrees1]

Pounce does not violate any of the "making a charge" rules.

Leap Attack can be used with Pounce.

[DR27]

What's abnormal about Pounce?

[TheMonocleRogue]

Pounce lets you full attack on a charge, and leap attack doubles the bonus damage you get from power attack if you jump at least 10ft distance before attacking.

Both rulings are abnormal but they stack with each other.

[Kelb_Panthera]

Dude, asked and answered in the thread where you were trying to breakdown the whole of an ubercharger.


Jumping during a charge is something you can do anyway since jumping is part of another movement and charging is a form of movement. As for the normal rules of charging, the comment about following the normal rules isn't a command against modifying the charge in other ways but a reminder that you still must have a straight, unobstructed line to the target and must move at least 10 feet. Leap attack adds the caveat that you must also perform a jump that's at least 10 feet to gain its benefits and pounce modifies the attack at the end by replacing it with a full attack. Since leap attack modifies power attack rather than the charge attack itself it applies to the entire full attack -and- to any AoO's that the character might make before his next turn.

[Kalaska'Agathas]

A character with pounce, under normal conditions, can make a full attack at the end of a charge. So Leap Attack and Pounce are fine together.

With all of these threads, I'm starting to wonder, are you preparing some sort Policy Debate style flow of all the various arguments countering any counter argument you might expect for a Battle-Jumping, Multi-Pouncing Mêlée Monster you're building? If that's the case, might it be easier if you just give us all the potential counter arguments you foresee in one place, so we may answer them all quickly and concisely?