New Precocious Apprentice Shenanigans?

[Slide]

From the text for Precocious Apprentice:

"Choose one 2nd-level spell from a school of magic you have access to. You gain an extra 2nd-level spell slot that must be used initially to cast only the chosen spell."

The requirements are:

"arcane caster level 1st, Spellcasting ability (Int or Cha) 15"

I note that it does not specifically say you must choose an *arcane* spell. If someone had a way to cast a 0th level divine spell without a divine caster level (and I don't know offhand if any of those exist), could that be used to give your wizard Cure Moderate Wounds?

Perhaps more importantly, could you stack this by taking Precocious Apprentice twice?

[OldTrees1]

1) Is the spell from a school you have access to?
Cure Moderate Wounds is not part of the Wizard Conjuration school. So no the Wizard 1 cannot select Cure Moderate Wounds.

2) No you cannot take a feat twice unless it specifically says you can.

[Biffoniacus_Furiou]

"If a character has the same feat more than once, its benefits do not stack unless indicated otherwise in the description. (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/feats.htm#featDescriptions)"

Note that while Precocious Apprentice specifically allows you to cast the spell in question, and you could pick a spell not from your class spell list as long as it's in a school of magic you have access to, your access to that specific spell will be short-lived:
"When you become able to cast 2nd-level spells, you lose the
benefit described above but retain the extra 2nd-level spell slot,
which you can use to prepare or spontaneously cast a spell of
2nd level or lower as you normally would."

You do not retain knowledge of that 2nd-level spell you picked, so once you get 2nd level spells from your class it's gone. Sure you can just pick a 2nd level spell that will have an impact at any character level, and only dip a single level of Wizard for Abrupt Jaunt and Precocious Apprentice to get access to that spell, and just never gain 2nd level spells normally. But I don't see how that could ever be more beneficial than just taking more Wizard levels, you're trading being a Wizard for a 2nd level non-Wizard spell.

[nedz]

The following might work

Human Wizard Level 1
4 Ranks in Spellcraft and Knowledge Religion
Arcane Disciple (Healing)
Precocious Apprentice (Cure Moderate Wounds)

[Slide]

"If a character has the same feat more than once, its benefits do not stack unless indicated otherwise in the description. (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/feats.htm#featDescriptions)"

Note that while Precocious Apprentice specifically allows you to cast the spell in question, and you could pick a spell not from your class spell list as long as it's in a school of magic you have access to, your access to that specific spell will be short-lived:
"When you become able to cast 2nd-level spells, you lose the
benefit described above but retain the extra 2nd-level spell slot,
which you can use to prepare or spontaneously cast a spell of
2nd level or lower as you normally would."

You do not retain knowledge of that 2nd-level spell you picked, so once you get 2nd level spells from your class it's gone. Sure you can just pick a 2nd level spell that will have an impact at any character level, and only dip a single level of Wizard for Abrupt Jaunt and Precocious Apprentice to get access to that spell, and just never gain 2nd level spells normally. But I don't see how that could ever be more beneficial than just taking more Wizard levels, you're trading being a Wizard for a 2nd level non-Wizard spell.

Well, the idea would more be along the lines of using two feats for Wizard 1 / Divine Caster of Some Kind 1 / off into theurging classes for a while. Problem is, there's still a 6 rank skill requirement and thus one more level required. Now you're a full spell level behind in your casting progression and why were we doing this again?

The best way would still seem to be Alternate Spell Source with Wizard 3 / Divine Caster 1 / Mystic Theurge 10 / More theurging stuff 6. (or Cleric3/Wizard1 if you feel like being a CoDzilla with Teleport) It loses 1 level of casting progression, but lets you play cleric and wizard simultaneously for a really useful support character.

Oh well!

[Thanatosia]

But I don't see how that could ever be more beneficial than just taking more Wizard levels, you're trading being a Wizard for a 2nd level non-Wizard spell.
While they are all lower tier and, from a strict optimization standpoint inferior to being a pure wizard (By which logic pretty much everything in D&D is), there are a few prestige classes that require arcane casting as a pre-req but then either do not advance it or advance on a seperate progression, Arcane Archer for example, that can benefit from a one level dip into wizard and never look back or advance it.