Vow of poverty

[Smorgonoffz]

Can a character with vow of poverty own an armor?

[OldTrees1]

Can a character with vow of poverty own an armor?

It is not on the short list of permitted items. So no.

[Bigbeefie]

Can a character with vow of poverty own an armor?

Nope....tis why a lot of Vow users will go Monk or Cleric as they typically don't need armor or weapons to do something.

[Smorgonoffz]

thanks to everyone

[Hiro Protagonest]

Nope....tis why a lot of Vow users will go Monk or Cleric as they typically don't need armor or weapons to do something.

Those classes are also VoP traps. If DM allows you a holy symbol, cleric isn't a trap, but clerics can still wear armor and have good incentive to do so, so it's weaker unless you're Cloistered Cleric.

[HunterOfJello]

Nope. If you're going to go Vow of Poverty with something that can use heavy armor, then you can always get the Dragonscale Husk alternate class feature from Dragon Magic. You grow a thick hide of scales that protects you as armor.

I don't know if using this ACF abuses the spirit of taking Vow of Poverty or not, but I'm not the kind of player who would ever take Vow of Poverty so that's up to you to decide for yourself.

[lunar2]

it doesn't abuse anything. it also doesn't work, since the exalted bonus from the VoP doesn't stack with the armor bonus from the husk.

[eggynack]

Nope....tis why a lot of Vow users will go Monk or Cleric as they typically don't need armor or weapons to do something.
Druids also, but not monks at all, because monks are the worst. Druids are generally better with VoP than clerics are, because they get better exalted feats, and because they have incentives to not wear items.

[JaronK]

it doesn't abuse anything. it also doesn't work, since the exalted bonus from the VoP doesn't stack with the armor bonus from the husk.

However, I believe you could enchant the husk. This is relevant, because an Apostle of Peace can still spend up to 49% of their wealth on defensive magic items.

JaronK

[nedz]

Nope. If you're going to go Vow of Poverty with something that can use heavy armor, then you can always get the Dragonscale Husk alternate class feature from Dragon Magic. You grow a thick hide of scales that protects you as armor.

I don't know if using this ACF abuses the spirit of taking Vow of Poverty or not, but I'm not the kind of player who would ever take Vow of Poverty so that's up to you to decide for yourself.

Dragonscale Husk is also highly dysfunctional so you will need a houserule to make it work.

[Rubik]

However, I believe you could enchant the husk. This is relevant, because an Apostle of Peace can still spend up to 49% of their wealth on defensive magic items.

JaronKIs there a definition for "defensive magic items," as in, "armor, shield, and ring of protection," or is it just a general term, so anything that boosts your defenses (including things like the psychoactive skin or proteus) works?

Because I'd totally get on board with a psychoactive skin.

[JaronK]

Is there a definition for "defensive magic items," as in, "armor, shield, and ring of protection," or is it just a general term, so anything that boosts your defenses (including things like the psychoactive skin or proteus) works?

Because I'd totally get on board with a psychoactive skin.

There's no specific definition. It's a bit silly that way. Frankly, I don't think they thought the Apostle of Peace through very well.

JaronK

[eggynack]

Is there a definition for "defensive magic items," as in, "armor, shield, and ring of protection," or is it just a general term, so anything that boosts your defenses (including things like the psychoactive skin or proteus) works?

Because I'd totally get on board with a psychoactive skin.
As I am fond of pointing out, there is absolutely no such definition. Any magic item can be interpreted as a protective item, no matter what, with absolutely no exceptions. That's the broad pure-RAW interpretation anyway. There's some implication there that a protective item must be one that boosts AC, but it's pretty cheap to make all of your random items boost AC, so that's really more of an apostle of peace tax than an actual limitation. That's just an implication though, and it's pretty easy to argue that your necklace of fireballs protects you from goblins, or that your ring of not being protected protects you from being protected. Your DM may hurl a book at you for that though, so buying a protective helmet may be prudent.

[Palanan]

The last time a VoP thread came up, which was fairly recently, someone helpfully provided links to the most recent VoP threads before that. Does anyone happen to have those links handy?

[Kennisiou]

There's no specific definition. It's a bit silly that way. Frankly, I don't think they thought the Apostle of Peace through very well.

JaronK

It's an incredibly powerful class that's very good at doing things that will make most parties very mad at you. It solves combat encounters by itself in ways that are just utterly unsatisfying to everyone but the person playing apostle of the peace, and can begin to do that to a lot of noncombat encounters as well.

As class design goes, it's pretty poor in both the "easily understandable and functional" aspects as well as the "satisfying to play" aspect. Pretty much a pure strike out at plate.

[SinsI]

Yes, if it is his soulmeld.

[Rubik]

Yes, if it is his soulmeld.Um... What?

Would you mind quoting what you respond to? That way you provide the the rest of us with a clue-by-four.

[Alent]

Um... What?

Would you mind quoting what you respond to? That way you provide the the rest of us with a clue-by-four.

I believe he's responding directly to the OP, by saying you can use soulmelds as armor.

In a VoP related question, let's say I have a dwarf that casts Silverbeard to make his beggar's clothes function as armor. Does he have to shave his beard when it turns to silver?

[ShurikVch]

Can a character with vow of poverty own an armor?
Character with VoP can't own an armor, but still can wear one, if:
1) Armor is a part of character's body.
2) Turn your cohort into animated armor. It's not an armor, its a cohort! :smallbiggrin: (Also can work with construct familiar, but characters with familiars usually don't wear armor)

[(Un)Inspired]

I vow of poverty character can totally have armor He just loses all his vow of poverty powers.

[Rubik]

He could wear armor, so long as it's not actually considered equipment. A psicrystal Metamorphosis'd into plate mail or a symbiote of some kind (without a gp cost) might work, and warforged have no problems "wearing" their natural armored plating. Temporary conjured items may very well work as well, though that may hit you on a technicality, depending on the DM.

[TypoNinja]

I believe he's responding directly to the OP, by saying you can use soulmelds as armor.

In a VoP related question, let's say I have a dwarf that casts Silverbeard to make his beggar's clothes function as armor. Does he have to shave his beard when it turns to silver?

You are in luck. The 3.5 version from the SpC doesn't have the "turns your beard silver permanently" effect like the 3.0 source does, so you are safe.