LGBTAIitP #47: Weather Control Central

[Proud Tortoise]

Guys guys guys guys guys guys!

Look! (https://www.google.com/)

Anti-homophobic protest? What are you talking about? :smallwink: It's just a regular Google home page with a quote straight from the Olympic Charter. That happens to incorporate a rainbow. Rainbows look nice, okay?
yeahhh I'm not funny

[Mutant Sheep]

I don't see whats so amazing about it, but I haven't actually seen anybody support the recent Olympic *bleeep*, so I just don't see the necessity. It is cool though.:smallbiggrin::smallcool:

*wanders out of thread for another year to lurk, until migratory season comes around again*

[Eldest]

I don't see whats so amazing about it, but I haven't actually seen anybody support the recent Olympic *bleeep*, so I just don't see the necessity. It is cool though.:smallbiggrin::smallcool:

*wanders out of thread for another year to lurk, until migratory season comes around again*

Well I read it as a quiet but firm middle finger to certain individuals, which made me happy that Google decided to do that so publicly.

[Irish Musician]

Well I read it as a quiet but firm middle finger to certain individuals, which made me happy that Google decided to do that so publicly.

Oh I do LOVE it too. It is Super Awesome!!!!!

M

[SiuiS]

Guys guys guys guys guys guys!

Look! (https://www.google.com/)

Heh.


*


So I was going to send this to Anders (http://www.buzzfeed.com/samimain/2-cats-who-know-the-secret-to-a-good-cuddle), but I figured it's good enough for the group.

[TaiLiu]

Not likely going to work, and with boiling water.
I suppose the worst [legally accepted thing] they could do is to deny you, and sounds traditional.

Hugs, pretzels and home made chicken soup for all who want/need it.
Also, there might be some lemon chicken and potatoes leftover from lunch.

I'm sorry I'm not very empathic today.
Ah, my condolences.

I just wrote an email to my uni for a counseling appointment. I should get to know what options i have to pause my studies for a while (1 year or even longer would be nice), and maybe it will even help me with what i'm currently trying to cope. If not, i still have my first counseling appointment with a gender specialist on 13th February, which i hope will help.

Other than that, i have 3 tests coming for which i can't learn at all. I still have chances (i think) but yeah...

Also my condition may be getting worse overall, i'm not sure. I'm now allergic to frustration, to the point that i can't play several games any more because i self harm after a few minutes.

At least i now managed to train my voice for a week nearly every day, sometimes even more than once! Double-yay for (small) improvements, and significantly better mood after training. I might even post a voice sample again soon.
Ah, I see. I hope that frustration self-harming goes away soon.

Also, i couldn't say no to hugs, as always
Of course. *Hugs.*

So I was going to send this to Anders (http://www.buzzfeed.com/samimain/2-cats-who-know-the-secret-to-a-good-cuddle), but I figured it's good enough for the group.
Huh.

[SiuiS]

New in buzzfeed! Women might actually be people!

http://m.refinery29.com/2014/02/62017/theory-of-hookups

[TaiLiu]

New in buzzfeed! Women might actually be people!

http://m.refinery29.com/2014/02/62017/theory-of-hookups
Wait, that's Buzzfeed...?

[Philemonite]

I just wrote an email to my uni for a counseling appointment. I should get to know what options i have to pause my studies for a while (1 year or even longer would be nice), and maybe it will even help me with what i'm currently trying to cope. If not, i still have my first counseling appointment with a gender specialist on 13th February, which i hope will help.

Other than that, i have 3 tests coming for which i can't learn at all. I still have chances (i think) but yeah...

Also my condition may be getting worse overall, i'm not sure. I'm now allergic to frustration, to the point that i can't play several games any more because i self harm after a few minutes.

At least i now managed to train my voice for a week nearly every day, sometimes even more than once! Double-yay for (small) improvements, and significantly better mood after training. I might even post a voice sample again soon.

Also, i couldn't say no to hugs, as always

I don't know how it is in your country, but in my country you are allowed to "freeze" your studies for a year (or more).

Have some pony hugs, I heard they are enjoyable.:smallwink:


Guys guys guys guys guys guys!

Look! (https://www.google.com/)

*Dazzled by the rainbow*


So I was going to send this to Anders (http://www.buzzfeed.com/samimain/2-cats-who-know-the-secret-to-a-good-cuddle), but I figured it's good enough for the group.

There can never be too much cats.:smallwink:
For some reason, my cats are crazy today, probably because it's a nice day.


Ah, my condolences.

It's nothing serious, it's just that sometime I don't give a flying **** about anyone. Luckily, days like that are very rare.


New in buzzfeed! Women might actually be people!

http://m.refinery29.com/2014/02/62017/theory-of-hookups

You learn something new every day.:smallconfused::smalltongue:


So, today is a very nice day, it's like spring is here.:smallwink:
I just keep expecting an anvil to fall on my head, to balance out.
Also, I did a few Myers-Briggs tests, it looks like I'm INFJ. I guess that makes me special.:smalltongue:

[Heliomance]

New in buzzfeed! Women might actually be people!

http://m.refinery29.com/2014/02/62017/theory-of-hookups

I saw something a while ago suggesting that bi women were a lot more likely to agree to have a casual fling with another woman than with a man, because they were more confident they'd actually get to enjoy themselves.

[SiuiS]

Wait, that's Buzzfeed...?

The link was. The article might be featured from elsewhere.


I saw something a while ago suggesting that bi women were a lot more likely to agree to have a casual fling with another woman than with a man, because they were more confident they'd actually get to enjoy themselves.

Also, because there isn't an established background tradition of becoming an abused belt notch with bi women like with straight men.

The study referenced? They used college students. College guy walks up to a college girl and respectfully propositions her. She declines politely. And this means women just don't have libidos you guys, that's what this is, it has nothing to do with American media being saturated with fraternities doing Pig Nights, keeping score, being lauded for using women and dumping them, and punishing women who try to do anything similar. Not at all. Yay science! :smallsigh:

[Asta Kask]

Also, i couldn't say no to hugs, as always

*hugs*


So I was going to send this to Anders (http://www.buzzfeed.com/samimain/2-cats-who-know-the-secret-to-a-good-cuddle), but I figured it's good enough for the group.

*CUDDLEZ*


The study referenced? They used college students. College guy walks up to a college girl and respectfully propositions her. She declines politely. And this means women just don't have libidos you guys, that's what this is, it has nothing to do with American media being saturated with fraternities doing Pig Nights, keeping score, being lauded for using women and dumping them, and punishing women who try to do anything similar. Not at all. Yay science! :smallsigh:

You know, you could have read the original study (http://www.elainehatfield.com/79.pdf) before declaring your anathema over science. Your explanation is actually the one favored by the researchers in the original paper. And your description of the methodology neglects half the study. :smallsigh:

[Lix Lorn]

So, today is a very nice day, it's like spring is here.:smallwink:
I just keep expecting an anvil to fall on my head, to balance out.
Also, I did a few Myers-Briggs tests, it looks like I'm INFJ. I guess that makes me special.:smalltongue:
I'm INFP. I think that corner of the graph is common on the net...

[Philemonite]

I'm INFP. I think that corner of the graph is common on the net...

I'm actually somewhere between, one of the tests gave me 1% J over P.:smallwink:

I know most people give not so true answers, but I did it for myself, and since I tried multiple tests I am relatively sure.

I always though there were more Rationals(NT) on the Internet then Idealists(NF).:smallconfused:

[Lix Lorn]

Where would you get that idea? (curious)

[SiuiS]

You know, you could have read the original study (http://www.elainehatfield.com/79.pdf) before declaring your anathema over science.

I'm not declaring my anathema over science. I'm declaring my anathema over biased researchers who specifically look to back up their bias with existing evidence instead of re formulating ideas based on existing evidence. It's a difficult division, but science as the body of knowledge gained through a tested and respected method of study and recording is different from science as a name for action taken by 'scientists'. Science the verb is my issue. Science the verb is almost always used as a weapon.


I'm actually somewhere between, one of the tests gave me 1% J over P.:smallwink:

I know most people give not so true answers, but I did it for myself, and since I tried multiple tests I am relatively sure.

I always though there were more Rationals(NT) on the Internet then Idealists(NF).:smallconfused:

What happens when rationality is your ideal? Rules As Written is supported as much on zeal as on any logical reason to do so.

[Asta Kask]

I'm not declaring my anathema over science. I'm declaring my anathema over biased researchers who specifically look to back up their bias with existing evidence instead of re formulating ideas based on existing evidence. It's a difficult division, but science as the body of knowledge gained through a tested and respected method of study and recording is different from science as a name for action taken by 'scientists'. Science the verb is my issue. Science the verb is almost always used as a weapon.

So... have you read the study?

[Iruka]

Guys guys guys guys guys guys!

Look! (https://www.google.com/)

Nice one, google. :smallbiggrin:

[Eirala]

So I was going to send this to Anders (http://www.buzzfeed.com/samimain/2-cats-who-know-the-secret-to-a-good-cuddle), but I figured it's good enough for the group.

It is :3


New in buzzfeed! Women might actually be people!

*gasp*
How preposterous.


Of course. *Hugs.*


*hugs*

*hugs*

[Philemonite]

Where would you get that idea? (curious)

I have no idea, I'm not rational enough to explain.:smallconfused:
Rationals remind me of Wizard archetype, maybe that has something to do with it.


What happens when rationality is your ideal? Rules As Written is supported as much on zeal as on any logical reason to do so.

Still not rational (or awake) enough to respond.:smallwink:

Then you are probably somewhere between two types. 100% is not 100% real anyway.:smalltongue:

[SiuiS]

So... have you read the study?

Yes, but my having read the study isn't relevant. My entire point was the misuse of the study by 'scientists'.

It's a common mistake online. It's because you're a scientist. It hits home. In general however, whenever someone says "yay [action taken by a group] :smallsigh:" they aren't commenting on the action but on the group.

If I were to, say, bring up an article using a random study to justify man hating, and I said "yay feminism", those who didn't feel insulted would know the sarcasm was directed at the people who were misusing 'feminism'. I would expect KenderWizard or a host of others to perk up at that, but then I would also expect, given my own history of feminism, friendliness, and joking tendencies that they would at most ask how I meant that.


E: though you may have been changing the subject to the actual study, instead of questioning me rhetorically, in which case I'm being rude. If so, sorry ^///^

[Asta Kask]

Yes, but my having read the study isn't relevant. My entire point was the misuse of the study by 'scientists'.

It's a common mistake online. It's because you're a scientist. It hits home. In general however, whenever someone says "yay [action taken by a group] :smallsigh:" they aren't commenting on the action but on the group.

You're probably right. I'll back down.

[SiuiS]

Nuts, didn't edit fast enough.

It's bumbling, but that was along the lines of "it's an honest mistake, let me clarify". I'm not accusing you of being over sensitive, I'm being a little too blasé and banking on a guesstimate off my reputation there. I just know it's a phrase I will use again, so I should explain it clearly now.



Then you are probably somewhere between two types.

I was thinking more "it's possible to appear highly intellectual and not be, etc." ;p


100% is not 100% real anyway.:smalltongue:

*Head asplode*

[Philemonite]

I love you guys when you are so reasonable.
We can have a debate without the thread exploding.


I was thinking more "it's possible to appear highly intellectual and not be, etc." ;p


*Head asplode*

Being Rational doesn't really mean you are more intelligent, it just means you relay more on Intuition(N) and Thinking(T) then on Sensing(S) and Feeling(F). Your mental capacity doesn't have anything to do with it.

Just as planed.
Muahahahaha:smalltongue:

[Asta Kask]

I love you guys when you are so reasonable.
We can have a debate without the thread exploding.

Considering how often the Internet devolves into this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEvvRfuVk30) I think a little reasonability is a welcome extra. Spicing it down, as it were.

[Philemonite]

Considering how often the Internet devolves into this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEvvRfuVk30) I think a little reasonability is a welcome extra. Spicing it down, as it were.

Youtube is blocked at work.:smallfrown:

[Asta Kask]

Youtube is blocked at work.:smallfrown:

Two very angry cats. 90% of any cat fight consists of cats hurling insults at each other. Why fight when you can scare the other cat away?

[SiuiS]

I love you guys when you are so reasonable.
We can have a debate without the thread exploding.


I do my best!


Being Rational doesn't really mean you are more intelligent, it just means you relay more on Intuition(N) and Thinking(T) then on Sensing(S) and Feeling(F). Your mental capacity doesn't have anything to do with it.

Just as planed.
Muahahahaha:smalltongue:

Well yeah, but we all know that logic doesn't mean useful. The logical consequences of incomplete data are usually fairly illogical. And someone upholding rationality and logic as dogma is often neither rational not logical, even by the standards presented.


Considering how often the Internet devolves into this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEvvRfuVk30) I think a little reasonability is a welcome extra. Spicing it down, as it were.

Ah, good old cat fights. It is funny that the grey stops to lick his lips halfway through, he's like "WELL YOUR MOTHER IS SO hold on, gimme a sec *swig of water from a bottle* okay so YOUR MOTHER IS" and it's just like, poor cat. Maybe dial down the intensity a bit? You're wearing yourself out!


It makes me sad that people will aggravate their pets to that point and then post it on YouTube with "lol the sounds my cat makes when I take his food" though. Yeah you jerk, your cat is so insecure he's willing to fight you for his food. What kind of parent are you?

[Asta Kask]

The only time I've seen my cats anywhere near that was when Nisse brought in that pigeon a few weeks ago. He sat hunched over it and growled. It sounded very impressive.

I could still take it from him, no trouble. Although I think he was disappointed that I broke his toy.

[Philemonite]

I do my best!


Well yeah, but we all know that logic doesn't mean useful. The logical consequences of incomplete data are usually fairly illogical. And someone upholding rationality and logic as dogma is often neither rational not logical, even by the standards presented.

:smallwink:

My mistake, I was referring to Myers-Briggs Types, specifically Keirsey temperaments (Guardians, Artisans, Idealists and Rationals). I should have been more clear.

[SiuiS]

yeah. Sometimes people like, steal their pet's food and record them growling and defending it. Like serious, back off or I claw you growling and warbling.


Our Teacup used to do that! When she was about the size of her food bowl, she would straddle the whole bowl to eat at dinner time and growl so much we thought she was purring. We noticed her face was really messed up too, and watched her.

Turns out, she was so protective of the food she scared the other cats away (or her brother) and the. Wolfed down as much while kibble as she could. When big pieces got caught in her throat, she slashed up her face trying to get them out of her mouth! :smalleek:

We taught her that she was safe and welcome but needed to share. Whenever she let us near her food we rewarded her. We broke it up into smaller pieces, and gave her a special bowl just for her (which we should have done in the first place) and slowly moved her closer to the other cats by sliding her bowl.

It's hard to imagine that feisty, angry little shedevil is now out cute? Matronly Russian hat.

[Chess435]

:smallbiggrin: About to depart on a well-earned mini vacation back to my hometown to hang out with some old friends. Not sure how much I'll be online between now and Monday.

[Asta Kask]

yeah. Sometimes people like, steal their pet's food and record them growling and defending it. Like serious, back off or I claw you growling and warbling.


Our Teacup used to do that! When she was about the size of her food bowl, she would straddle the whole bowl to eat at dinner time and growl so much we thought she was purring. We noticed her face was really messed up too, and watched her.

Turns out, she was so protective of the food she scared the other cats away (or her brother) and the. Wolfed down as much while kibble as she could. When big pieces got caught in her throat, she slashed up her face trying to get them out of her mouth! :smalleek:

We taught her that she was safe and welcome but needed to share. Whenever she let us near her food we rewarded her. We broke it up into smaller pieces, and gave her a special bowl just for her (which we should have done in the first place) and slowly moved her closer to the other cats by sliding her bowl.

It's hard to imagine that feisty, angry little shedevil is now out cute? Matronly Russian hat.

The only thing my mother's black-and-white cats defended his food was when he protected the diet food from the cat we bought it for. Dieting one cat ain't easy.

[KenderWizard]

Obviously something that eloquent must come from a man. :smalltongue:

You're a bad person and you should feel bad. :smalltongue:



*wanders out of thread for another year to lurk, until migratory season comes around again*

Ohmygosh a Mutant Sheep! Good to see you!


I don't know how it is in your country, but in my country you are allowed to "freeze" your studies for a year (or more).[/QUOTE}

You can do that here too, go "off books" and come back at the level you stopped at.

[QUOTE=Asteron Questar;16947356]So, today is a very nice day, it's like spring is here.:smallwink:
I just keep expecting an anvil to fall on my head, to balance out.
Also, I did a few Myers-Briggs tests, it looks like I'm INFJ. I guess that makes me special.:smalltongue:

I'm ENFJ, with only a tiny preferece of J over P too! :smallwink: Buddies! I would like to do a test that's not on the internet, like, one at an actual psychological study or something, maybe take the same one several times over a year to get a proper idea. I always feel like some of the questions are just how I feel that day. Some days I'm like "Yay! I love parties!" and then other days I'm like "Ugh, no way, I hate parties."


I saw something a while ago suggesting that bi women were a lot more likely to agree to have a casual fling with another woman than with a man, because they were more confident they'd actually get to enjoy themselves.

Aw, that's kind of sweet and tragic. I don't know if I would be more likely to -- actually, having thought about it for literally 30 more seconds, I think I would be more likely to prefer a woman for a fling. Huh. But maybe that's for novelty, since my partner is a man? I dunno!

[Asta Kask]

I wonder if the pattern is the same for bi men - that they prefer men for casual flings?

[Eirala]

I don't know how it is in your country, but in my country you are allowed to "freeze" your studies for a year (or more).

You can do that here too, go "off books" and come back at the level you stopped at.

Generally, that is possible. But i'm not sure about the length in combination with directly after the first semester, though i think it should work. I have some pretty good excuses too, so that and also getting it confirmed by psychiatrists should not be a problem.
It's just the part of me talking that hates when something is not certain ^^

[Asta Kask]

I wonder if the pattern is the same for bi men - that they prefer men for casual flings?

The alternative hypothesis is that women are just more attractive. It certainly accords with my experience. :smallwink:

[Alad]

I love you guys when you are so reasonable.
We can have a debate without the thread exploding.


I must say, I'm generally impressed at how well people in this thread handle potentially nasty issues.

The alternative hypothesis is that women are just more attractive. It certainly accords with my experience. :smallwink:

Heh, I concur on this matter but I am aware it is an opinion :smallbiggrin: (Though I could really use someone who exclusively likes guys explaining the appeal to me ... I dont get it In terms of aesthetics and body types. personality is another matter entirely )

[Asta Kask]

I must say, I'm generally impressed at how well people in this thread handle potentially nasty issues.

We use this as a guidance:

http://atheismresource.com/wp-content/uploads/Debate-Flow-Chart1.jpg

Yes, it's from atheismresource but I do not wish to imply that all atheists are rational debaters, or that religious people aren't.

:smallsmile:

[Philemonite]

Buddies!

Always.:smallwink:



I must say, I'm generally impressed at how well people in this thread handle potentially nasty issues.

It took a lot of practice to get this far. It helps that the regulars know each other well, so they understand more than what is written.:smallwink:



Heh, I concur on this matter but I am aware it is an opinion :smallbiggrin: (Though I could really use someone who exclusively likes guys explaining the appeal to me ... I dont get it In terms of aesthetics and body types. personality is another matter entirely )

I don't really know where to begin.:smallconfused::smalltongue:

For me it is completely opposite, I was never attracted to girls.

[Coidzor]

yeah. Sometimes people like, steal their pet's food and record them growling and defending it. Like serious, back off or I claw you growling and warbling.


Our Teacup used to do that! When she was about the size of her food bowl, she would straddle the whole bowl to eat at dinner time and growl so much we thought she was purring. We noticed her face was really messed up too, and watched her.

Turns out, she was so protective of the food she scared the other cats away (or her brother) and the. Wolfed down as much while kibble as she could. When big pieces got caught in her throat, she slashed up her face trying to get them out of her mouth! :smalleek:

We taught her that she was safe and welcome but needed to share. Whenever she let us near her food we rewarded her. We broke it up into smaller pieces, and gave her a special bowl just for her (which we should have done in the first place) and slowly moved her closer to the other cats by sliding her bowl.

It's hard to imagine that feisty, angry little shedevil is now out cute? Matronly Russian hat.

...Was she a rescue cat or something? :smallconfused: :smalleek:

Also (http://2mellomakes.bandcamp.com/track/parking-lot-cats).


New in buzzfeed! Women might actually be people!

http://m.refinery29.com/2014/02/62017/theory-of-hookups

obligatory Inconceivable! is obligatory


Aw, that's kind of sweet and tragic. I don't know if I would be more likely to -- actually, having thought about it for literally 30 more seconds, I think I would be more likely to prefer a woman for a fling. Huh. But maybe that's for novelty, since my partner is a man? I dunno!

Sweet? :smallconfused: Explain, please. It just... seems like it is what it is to me.

[Alad]

I don't really know where to begin.:smallconfused::smalltongue:

For me it is completely opposite, I was never attracted to girls.

Fair enough :smalltongue: I mean, I dont get it but each to their own you know


We use this as a guidance:

Whaaa! I can't just infinitely skip from seemingly logical point to seemingly logical point without giving you a chance to dismantle and point out my inconsistencies. so unfair.
(the blue text is implied here)

[Asta Kask]

Come to think about it, is saying that "wanting sex" proves you're "people" really a good idea in the LGBTA thread?

Also, Bisexual and Straight Girl - by real lesbians. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH1EN_s8Y0Q)

(Are there fake lesbians?)

[Jormengand]

obligatoryInconceivable!

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

[Kajhera]

Heh, I concur on this matter but I am aware it is an opinion :smallbiggrin: (Though I could really use someone who exclusively likes guys explaining the appeal to me ... I dont get it In terms of aesthetics and body types. personality is another matter entirely )

I like all, but my aesthetic preferences cycle. If you want to figure out how men can be perceived more aesthetically attractive than women ... go look at men sculpted by Michaelangelo vs women sculpted by the same person. Gives a good sense of someone who knows how men work and perceives their figures to be the more attractive ones, and doesn't really know how to make women look good quite as well. :smallwink:

[Alad]

Oh god, I'm pretty sure I know of the michaelangelo sculpture your thinking of when you say women sculpted by him. Yes well. :smalltongue: Point taken.

[SiuiS]

I wonder if the pattern is the same for bi men - that they prefer men for casual flings?

I presume it's the least experienced gender. It's a new experience which masks a lot of possible anxiety because you can always say "never done this before".


The alternative hypothesis is that women are just more attractive. It certainly accords with my experience. :smallwink:

Aye.


We use this as a guidance:

http://atheismresource.com/wp-content/uploads/Debate-Flow-Chart1.jpg

Yes, it's from atheismresource but I do not wish to imply that all atheists are rational debaters, or that religious people aren't.

:smallsmile:

Is it sad that I saved this so I can find certain people and slap them in their stupid smug face with it?

Also, no, it's probably very rude to use "likes sex" as determinator of being a person. It was a comment on the related idea that women are just different; ironically, under the older thought forms a woman who liked sex was just as deviant as a man who didn't.

Instead, we are learning everyone is different and stop making sweeping judgements, my gosh.


I like all, but my aesthetic preferences cycle. If you want to figure out how men can be perceived more aesthetically attractive than women ... go look at men sculpted by Michaelangelo vs women sculpted by the same person. Gives a good sense of someone who knows how men work and perceives their figures to be the more attractive ones, and doesn't really know how to make women look good quite as well. :smallwink:

Oh man yeah. I've see that. It's like the beautifully carved marble version of furiously scribbling circles in crayon and going LOOK I MAED BOOB

[Proud Tortoise]

Come to think about it, is saying that "wanting sex" proves you're "people" really a good idea in the LGBTA thread?


Some women want sex. Well, most, in fact. Anyway, that's not the only point made in that article. Whatever, I don't want sex but it doesn't offend me so SHRUG

Also, Bisexual and Straight Girl - by real lesbians. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH1EN_s8Y0Q)

That is hilarious.

[SiuiS]

I think the issue is that presenting the statement "most women want sex" implies there's something wrong with the rest who don't.

[TaiLiu]

It's nothing serious, it's just that sometime I don't give a flying **** about anyone. Luckily, days like that are very rare.
I understand.

The link was. The article might be featured from elsewhere.
Ah.

*hugs*
*Hugs.*

:smallbiggrin: About to depart on a well-earned mini vacation back to my hometown to hang out with some old friends. Not sure how much I'll be online between now and Monday.
Have fun; tell us how it goes!

[Coidzor]

I think the issue is that presenting the statement "most women want sex" implies there's something wrong with the rest who don't.

I suppose that's one way to construe it, but given the actual substance and how it was presented it seems like a bit of a stretch. I thought it was just facetiousness all around though, article included.

[Heliomance]

Heh, I concur on this matter but I am aware it is an opinion :smallbiggrin: (Though I could really use someone who exclusively likes guys explaining the appeal to me ... I dont get it In terms of aesthetics and body types. personality is another matter entirely )

I never used to like guys, but I'm... starting to see the appeal. Don't really know how to explain it, some guys are just yummy :3

I've abandoned the idea of non-fluid sexuality - mine's changed enough in the last year to make that a completely laughable idea. I currently identify as bisexual homoromantic - who knows what I'll think in another couple of years?

I hope I'll still like girls. Girls are awesome.

[Irish Musician]

We use this as a guidance:

http://atheismresource.com/wp-content/uploads/Debate-Flow-Chart1.jpg

Yes, it's from atheismresource but I do not wish to imply that all atheists are rational debaters, or that religious people aren't.

:smallsmile:
I think that is an awesome flowchart for anyone wanting to deabte anything!:smallbiggrin:

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
After the long, long, long work night I just had, you made me laugh/cry a lot/little and I love you for that. :smallsmile:


Have fun Chess!!

M

[Asta Kask]

I think the issue is that presenting the statement "most women want sex" implies there's something wrong with the rest who don't.

Interesting. I learn something new.

ETA: Regarding the flowchart - it's all fun and games until you realize you should apply it to yourself as well.

[Jormengand]

After the long, long, long work night I just had, you made me laugh/cry a lot/little and I love you for that. :smallsmile:

Here to serve. :smallsmile:

[Miriel]

I wrote this piece partly on Sochi and gay rights (http://lucreziacontarini.wordpress.com/2014/02/07/sochi-and-gay-rights-how-blaming-others-is-not-help/), which I find pertinent on this thread.

[Proud Tortoise]

I think the issue is that presenting the statement "most women want sex" implies there's something wrong with the rest who don't.

...why? If I said "most Americans are Christian" would that be offensive to members of other religions?


I wrote this piece partly on Sochi and gay rights (http://lucreziacontarini.wordpress.com/2014/02/07/sochi-and-gay-rights-how-blaming-others-is-not-help/), which I find pertinent on this thread.

I hate politicians and love your articles.

[Mina Kobold]

...why? If I said "most Americans are Christian" would that be offensive to members of other religions?

Depends on the context. To steer away from forum-inappropriate topics, I'll go with the example of an industry with a huge man majority (such as the video game industry or IT):

If I said "Most people in the industry are men, which is a sign that we should do more to be inclusive and correct this imbalance", then there's no problem, just an admission that there is an inequality that needs fixing.

However, if I said "most people in the industry are men, so there doesn't have to be women's rest rooms/we don't need to consider womens' opinions in this case" or even just "I know I didn't ask any women in this study, but most in the industry are men." then there is a clear problem. In this case, it might come off as a case of the later if one says "most women want sex", since it often implies that asexual women are not big enough a group to matter or be included. In other words, it can come off as an instance of the "Most people are X" statement, where it is often implied that the rest are unimportant, undesirable or flat out evil (fallaciously assuming that what most people do is normal and that normal is good).

Or, in short, communication is really complicated and a lot of statements can have a completely neutral literal meaning while being associated with very negative implications or patterns. ^_^'

[Lord Raziere]

I wrote this piece partly on Sochi and gay rights (http://lucreziacontarini.wordpress.com/2014/02/07/sochi-and-gay-rights-how-blaming-others-is-not-help/), which I find pertinent on this thread.

I knew there was something fishy about that kind of thinking....but I couldn't pin down what....thanks....

[Ifni]

Depends on the context. To steer away from forum-inappropriate topics, I'll go with the example of an industry with a huge man majority (such as the video game industry or IT):

If I said "Most people in the industry are men, which is a sign that we should do more to be inclusive and correct this imbalance", then there's no problem, just an admission that there is an inequality that needs fixing.

However, if I said "most people in the industry are men, so there doesn't have to be women's rest rooms/we don't need to consider womens' opinions in this case" or even just "I know I didn't ask any women in this study, but most in the industry are men." then there is a clear problem. In this case, it might come off as a case of the later if one says "most women want sex", since it often implies that asexual women are not big enough a group to matter or be included. In other words, it can come off as an instance of the "Most people are X" statement, where it is often implied that the rest are unimportant, undesirable or flat out evil (fallaciously assuming that what most people do is normal and that normal is good).

Or, in short, communication is really complicated and a lot of statements can have a completely neutral literal meaning while being associated with very negative implications or patterns. ^_^'

This, and also the way it originally came up was "women are as interested in casual sex as men, once you control for perceived risk and benefit" -> "women might actually be people!" (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=16947236&postcount=1007)

I'm pretty sure that the poster meant "hey, look - women, just like men, probably have a range of attitudes to sex, this should only be a surprise if you didn't think women were human". But you could just as easily read it as, "liking sex is evidence of personhood". Given the frequency with which asexual people hear "sex is a fundamental human need" / "all people are motivated by sex" / "sex is part of being human" (which imply, intentionally or otherwise, that if you're ace you're not human or a person), and similar statements, I can imagine that hitting a nerve.

(I'm asexual, and saw the alternate meaning, and yes it did grate on me a bit. I totally understand where the "sex is part of being human" people are coming from - it's usually pushback against religious views that say Sex Is Dirty And Bad Except In Marriage When Aiming For Kids - but it's really exclusionary of ace people, and others who just don't wish to have sex for whatever reason. And while it's unintentional in a lot of cases, there are public figures who have doubled down on "all healthy adult human beings want sex - if you don't, there's something wrong with you".)

/returns to lurking

[Asta Kask]

Just watched Frozen...

...

...that song "Let It Go" sounded like it was relevant for some of you guys.

[Delusion]

Just watched Frozen...

...

...that song "Let It Go" sounded like it was relevant for some of you guys.

I have watched that song too many times. Like whenever it gets mentioned. Can't listen to it now as I am at my parents and dad is already asleep.

[SiuiS]

I suppose that's one way to construe it, but given the actual substance and how it was presented it seems like a bit of a stretch. I thought it was just facetiousness all around though, article included.

In the sense that I can see why it would be grating. Acknowledging possibility doesn't do a thing for probability after all.


Interesting. I learn something new.

ETA: Regarding the flowchart - it's all fun and games until you realize you should apply it to yourself as well.

Yep!


...why? If I said "most Americans are Christian" would that be offensive to members of other religions?.

We don't discuss religion.


This, and also the way it originally came up was "women are as interested in casual sex as men, once you control for perceived risk and benefit" -> "women might actually be people!" (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=16947236&postcount=1007)

I'm pretty sure that the poster meant "hey, look - women, just like men, probably have a range of attitudes to sex, this should only be a surprise if you didn't think women were human". But you could just as easily read it as, "liking sex is evidence of personhood". Given the frequency with which asexual people hear "sex is a fundamental human need" / "all people are motivated by sex" / "sex is part of being human" (which imply, intentionally or otherwise, that if you're ace you're not human or a person), and similar statements, I can imagine that hitting a nerve.

(I'm asexual, and saw the alternate meaning, and yes it did grate on me a bit. I totally understand where the "sex is part of being human" people are coming from - it's usually pushback against religious views that say Sex Is Dirty And Bad Except In Marriage When Aiming For Kids - but it's really exclusionary of ace people, and others who just don't wish to have sex for whatever reason. And while it's unintentional in a lot of cases, there are public figures who have doubled down on "all healthy adult human beings want sex - if you don't, there's something wrong with you".)

/returns to lurking

Yep!


Just watched Frozen...

...

...that song "Let It Go" sounded like it was relevant for some of you guys.

Yep!

[TaiLiu]

Yep!
Yep!

Also, I wanted to ask you about your signature quotes.

[SiuiS]

A version of my motto. if you're acting with malice, you're not acting or thinking clearly. That's bad. If your actions leave you with remorse, you shouldn't have done them. Think more.

My father's version is "don't start no ****, but don't take no ****". I like mine better, as it's not about violence and respect by default.

[TaiLiu]

A version of my motto. if you're acting with malice, you're not acting or thinking clearly. That's bad. If your actions leave you with remorse, you shouldn't have done them. Think more.

My father's version is "don't start no ****, but don't take no ****". I like mine better, as it's not about violence and respect by default.
Oh, I meant more generally: you seem to change your signature quotes quite frequently.

[Proud Tortoise]

Just watched Frozen...

...

...that song "Let It Go" sounded like it was relevant for some of you guys.

*Listens to it* Yes. Even though I'm not trans* it's meaningful for other reasons.

[Lord Raziere]

Just watched Frozen...

...

...that song "Let It Go" sounded like it was relevant for some of you guys.

....I should really get around to watching that movie.

[Irish Musician]

....I should really get around to watching that movie.

I apparently should as well, just never got around to watching it.

M

[Worira]

Yes I also should do that thing.

[Irish Musician]

I didn't have anyone to share this with at the time and hadn't really posted here at the time either.....so I'd like to share this now.

In November I went to a Ren Fair, I'm a big Ren Fair nerd. While I was there, there was a group of transgendered people that had dressed up and come to the fair. There were two of the group, in particular, that caught my eye. One was a guy that, as far as I could tell, was born female, but looked awesome as a shawbuckling pirate dude. He really pulled it off. The other was a nymph/druid girl, who as far as I could tell was born male, and looked beautiful in her costume. She had a flower type circlet on her head, a white cape around her shoulders, and was very sparkly. I didn't walk up to them and say so, but holy crap did they look amazing.

The best part was they were at an attraction called "Drench a wench." Basically a "wench" dressed in long underwear sat in a dunking booth and flung insults at you while you tried to hit the button and dunk her. If you have a thick skin and a sick sense of humor, like I do, it is really entertaining to watch/participate in. Both the guy and the girl were sitting around watching and the wench was tossing insults at them about how they looked. The best part was how much they sassed her right back and it was beautiful. Of course, to the wench, it was all in good fun and she wasn't actually trying to hurt them....but they way they handled it and really threw it back at her was glorious.

So ends my experience with some people who I was completely impressed with. Not because they were transgendered, but because they were just people having a good time and doing their thing without and thought to what people thought of them. And it inspired me. I hope this doesn't insult or make anyone mad or anything. It was just a cool experience I had and I wanted to share it with people who I thought might appreciate it.

[Astrella]

I'm leaving. I'm really really sorry.

I just can't go on anymore. I'm not a girl, never have been, never will be. Don't look like one and never will. No point in trying to transition anymore when I'm not real. No point being here anymore if I'm detransitioning. I'll be fine.

Hope everything goes well for everyone.

Bai.

[Asta Kask]

I'm leaving. I'm really really sorry.

I just can't go on anymore. I'm not a girl, never have been, never will be. Don't look like one and never will. No point in trying to transition anymore when I'm not real. No point being here anymore if I'm detransitioning. I'll be fine.

Hope everything goes well for everyone.

Bai.

You're a girl, you look like a girl and you should tell us what has happened so that we can hug you. Not that we won't anyway.

*hugs*

Meanwhile, homophobia correlates with incompetence. (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/02/05/sochi-hotel-fail-photo-tweets_n_4733691.html) And corruption. The Sochi Olympics are turning into a PR disaster, with people laughing at Russia. And I couldn't be happier about that.

[SiuiS]

:smallfrown:

[Delusion]

I'm leaving. I'm really really sorry.

I just can't go on anymore. I'm not a girl, never have been, never will be. Don't look like one and never will. No point in trying to transition anymore when I'm not real. No point being here anymore if I'm detransitioning. I'll be fine.

Hope everything goes well for everyone.

Bai.

Sent you a PM.

But lik I said in it, I think you are incredibly brave to have come this far, and whatever you decide, I wish you the best of luck.

[The Succubus]

We don't care whether you identify as a boy or a girl because we identify you as a friend either way. Please talk to us. Talk to me. You're the best friend I have. I don't want to lose you.

[Philemonite]

I'm leaving. I'm really really sorry.

I just can't go on anymore. I'm not a girl, never have been, never will be. Don't look like one and never will. No point in trying to transition anymore when I'm not real. No point being here anymore if I'm detransitioning. I'll be fine.

Hope everything goes well for everyone.

Bai.

I don't really know much about trans issues, so I can't really be much help, but I always considered you a girl. I don't know what else to say.


Meanwhile, homophobia correlates with incompetence. (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/02/05/sochi-hotel-fail-photo-tweets_n_4733691.html) And corruption. The Sochi Olympics are turning into a PR disaster, with people laughing at Russia. And I couldn't be happier about that.

It's wrong, and petty, and mean, and I hate the fact that that makes me so happy.
But I can live with it.:smallwink:

[Mono Vertigo]

I'm leaving. I'm really really sorry.

I just can't go on anymore. I'm not a girl, never have been, never will be. Don't look like one and never will. No point in trying to transition anymore when I'm not real. No point being here anymore if I'm detransitioning. I'll be fine.

Hope everything goes well for everyone.

Bai.

:smallfrown:
You're as real as any of us. Don't let people try and tell you who you are just by looking at you. They don't know you better than you know yourself.
And even if you decide not to transition, that's no reason for you to leave.

[SiuiS]

It's selfish of me, but please stay, Lena.

[Mina Kobold]

I'm leaving. I'm really really sorry.

I just can't go on anymore. I'm not a girl, never have been, never will be. Don't look like one and never will. No point in trying to transition anymore when I'm not real. No point being here anymore if I'm detransitioning. I'll be fine.

Hope everything goes well for everyone.

Bai.

You look very much like a girl to me, Lena, and you very much seem to be a girl from everything I know. You are as real as anyone else, and nothing can make you not real to us. Not being who society and people around you want you to be does not make you fake or non-human, it just means that you are pressured into being someone you're not, someone who probably doesn't exist. At least, that is how things feel for me. I can pretend I am not a girl all I want, but all it does is give people the illusion that someone exists instead of me, making me not exist at all. ;_;

In the end, you are the only one who knows who you are, but it doesn't sound like not being a girl is something that would bring you happiness or hope. Plenty of people here are not trans or in other ways part of a GRSM, but that doesn't mean there isn't a point in them being here. Neither does anything you do, because you are our friend and we like you. We want to be there for you and we want you to feel real and like the person you are, whoever that is. That is point enough to be here, whichever way you go. :smallsmile:

[ArlEammon]

I'm leaving. I'm really really sorry.

I just can't go on anymore. I'm not a girl, never have been, never will be. Don't look like one and never will. No point in trying to transition anymore when I'm not real. No point being here anymore if I'm detransitioning. I'll be fine.

Hope everything goes well for everyone.

Bai.

Even if all that's true, and you're detransitioning, you're a person, who has legitimate needs and concerns, and these people like you.

Edit-
Also, I have some embarrassing questions and problems I need to deal with. Someone please Pm me.

[Miriel]

I'm leaving. I'm really really sorry.

I just can't go on anymore. I'm not a girl, never have been, never will be. Don't look like one and never will. No point in trying to transition anymore when I'm not real. No point being here anymore if I'm detransitioning. I'll be fine.

Hope everything goes well for everyone.

Bai.
What happened? :smallfrown: Was it something your mother did?

You're real.

I can't believe you're doing this because you don't want to transition.

*hug*


EDIT:

I hate politicians and love your articles.

I knew there was something fishy about that kind of thinking....but I couldn't pin down what....thanks....
Thanks :smallsmile:

[noparlpf]

I'm leaving. I'm really really sorry.

I just can't go on anymore. I'm not a girl, never have been, never will be. Don't look like one and never will. No point in trying to transition anymore when I'm not real. No point being here anymore if I'm detransitioning. I'll be fine.

Hope everything goes well for everyone.

Bai.

What happened?

[Proud Tortoise]

I'm leaving. I'm really really sorry.

I just can't go on anymore. I'm not a girl, never have been, never will be. Don't look like one and never will. No point in trying to transition anymore when I'm not real. No point being here anymore if I'm detransitioning. I'll be fine.

Hope everything goes well for everyone.

Bai.

Here you stand
With one foot on soil
And the other on firmament

You have taken this step
Regardless of those
Who would scorn you for it

Will you turn back?
Will you attend to those doubters
And turn your back on yourself?

Your valor shows
As one step starts a journey
So did this step feel a thousand miles

Why stop now?
Why go backward
When you can go forward?

The way forward will not be easy
But will the way back
Be true?

You think you will never reach
The final step
The journey's end

Better to begin
And see how far you can go
And never give up

Hold no regrets, pay no mind
To those who doubt you
What do they know? (Nothing.)
...I'm not very eloquent, okay?

[turkishproverb]

I'm leaving. I'm really really sorry.

I just can't go on anymore. I'm not a girl, never have been, never will be. Don't look like one and never will. No point in trying to transition anymore when I'm not real. No point being here anymore if I'm detransitioning. I'll be fine.

Hope everything goes well for everyone.

Bai.

*Hugs* Don't leave!

Don't do anything you don't want to do, but remember: Trans or not, L, G, B, T or not, you're our friend, and welcome here.

[Asta Kask]

Tried to send this message to Astrella, but her Inbox was full.

Just wanted to say your always welcome...
...and if you really feel that de-transitioning is the right place to go - and I'm not the person to tell you how to feel - just know that you'll always be welcome. After all, if there's a place for a large, loud cishetero person like me there's certainly one for you.

Remember, you can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_MBOeqSYVk) We will always be saving a seat for you.

ETA:

It's wrong, and petty, and mean, and I hate the fact that that makes me so happy.
But I can live with it.:smallwink:

It's the worst thing that could happen to Putin. Being hated is no problem for a tyrant, but being laughed at? That's really bad.

[Thufir]

I'm leaving. I'm really really sorry.

I just can't go on anymore. I'm not a girl, never have been, never will be. Don't look like one and never will. No point in trying to transition anymore when I'm not real. No point being here anymore if I'm detransitioning. I'll be fine.

Hope everything goes well for everyone.

Bai.

You do look like a girl. And I believe you are a girl (Though I suppose if you genuinely changed your mind you'd know better than I would).
Regardless, whatever else you may be, you are real. You are a real person, and a lovely person, and a friend.
I am hugging you with my mind right now. I don't know if it's working, but it's the best I can do, because you're in another country and my arms aren't long enough.

[Eldest]

I'm leaving. I'm really really sorry.

I just can't go on anymore. I'm not a girl, never have been, never will be. Don't look like one and never will. No point in trying to transition anymore when I'm not real. No point being here anymore if I'm detransitioning. I'll be fine.

Hope everything goes well for everyone.

Bai.

You are a woman and a lovely one. You do look like a woman, because you are one (and also you look like one anyway, but blarg, tired and communication no work). You are welcome here even if you chose to detransition. And I hope, no matter what you chose, that you will be right on the last point.

[Alad]

I'm leaving. I'm really really sorry.

I just can't go on anymore. I'm not a girl, never have been, never will be. Don't look like one and never will. No point in trying to transition anymore when I'm not real. No point being here anymore if I'm detransitioning. I'll be fine.

Hope everything goes well for everyone.

Bai.

Be sure your doing what you want and not being pressured by others whatever you choose to do you are a lovely person. I hope you feel like you are welcome here whatever you choose to do. I hope everything goes well for you also.

[KenderWizard]

My tablet is not letting me quote, so I've forgotten all the things I was going to say!

But I sent Lena a message telling her that we love her and think she's beautiful. <3 I hope she comes back!

[Death by DM]

I have an idea for some new terms that might fit some people better...

Androferre- preferring men, can be used in combination with bisexual or pansexual, made up of Latin roots "andro" meaning male and "praeferre" meaning prefer

Gynoferre- preferring women, can be used in combination with bisexual or pansexual, made up of Latin roots "gyno" meaning female and "praeferre" meaning prefer

Maxiasexual- extreme asexual, could hate either or both genders, could just not even be able to conceive a sexual relationship

Maxibisexual- extreme bisexual, could hate any gender that isn't one of the two they are attracted to, could just not be able to conceive a sexual relationship with a gender that isn't one of the two they are attracted to

Maxiheterosexual- extreme heterosexual, could hate people of the same gender, could just not be able to conceive a sexual relationship with the same gender*

Maxihomosexual- extreme homosexual, could hate people of the opposite gender, could just not be able to conceive a sexual relationship with the oppositee gender

Open-Minded Bisexual- feels like they could love someone not of the two genders that they are attracted to but hasn't found someone they feel that way about.

Open-Minded Heterosexual- feels like they could love someone of the same gender but hasn't found anyone they feel that way about. (Inspired by my friend :smallsmile:)

Open-Minded Homosexual- feels like they could love someone of the opposite gender but hasn't found anyone they feel that way about.

Transgenderferre- (doesn't really roll off the tongue, but could work) preferring transgender women or men, can be used in combination with bisexual or pansexual

Uniabsexualnormality- the only exception to your sexuality (for example, the only girl that a gay man loved would be a uniabsexualnormality)

*A maxiheterosexual is different from a homophobe because they don't necessarily have anything against homosexuals and they don't necessarily fear homosexuals, they either hate everyone of the same gender or can't understand the idea of a relationship with someone of the same gender

Not sure about a lot of them... if you have any feedback or suggestions let me know!

[Jormengand]

I have an idea for some new terms that might fit some people better...

Androferre- preferring men, can be used in combination with bisexual or pansexual, made up of Latin roots "andro" meaning male and "praeferre" meaning prefer

Gynoferre- preferring women, can be used in combination with bisexual or pansexual, made up of Latin roots "gyno" meaning female and "praeferre" meaning prefer

Maxiasexual- extreme asexual, could hate either or both genders, could just not even be able to conceive a sexual relationship

Maxibisexual- extreme bisexual, could hate any gender that isn't one of the two they are attracted to, could just not be able to conceive a sexual relationship with a gender that isn't one of the two they are attracted to

Maxiheterosexual- extreme heterosexual, could hate people of the same gender, could just not be able to conceive a sexual relationship with the same gender*

Maxihomosexual- extreme homosexual, could hate people of the opposite gender, could just not be able to conceive a sexual relationship with the oppositee gender

Open-Minded Bisexual- feels like they could love someone not of the two genders that they are attracted to but hasn't found someone they feel that way about.

Open-Minded Heterosexual- feels like they could love someone of the same gender but hasn't found anyone they feel that way about. (Inspired by my friend :smallsmile:)

Open-Minded Homosexual- feels like they could love someone of the opposite gender but hasn't found anyone they feel that way about.

Transgenderferre- (doesn't really roll off the tongue, but could work) preferring transgender women or men, can be used in combination with bisexual or pansexual

Uniabsexualnormality- the only exception to your sexuality (for example, the only girl that a gay man loved would be a uniabsexualnormality)

*A maxiheterosexual is different from a homophobe because they don't necessarily have anything against homosexuals and they don't necessarily fear homosexuals, they either hate everyone of the same gender or can't understand the idea of a relationship with someone of the same gender

Not sure about a lot of them... if you have any feedback or suggestions let me know!

Unnecessary, basically. The effort to integrate them into common language (or in most cases, even to say them!) is less than the effort of saying what you mean in the first place.

[Miriel]

I have an idea for some new terms that might fit some people better...

Androferre- preferring men, can be used in combination with bisexual or pansexual, made up of Latin roots "andro" meaning male and "praeferre" meaning prefer

Gynoferre- preferring women, can be used in combination with bisexual or pansexual, made up of Latin roots "gyno" meaning female and "praeferre" meaning prefer

Maxiasexual- extreme asexual, could hate either or both genders, could just not even be able to conceive a sexual relationship

Maxibisexual- extreme bisexual, could hate any gender that isn't one of the two they are attracted to, could just not be able to conceive a sexual relationship with a gender that isn't one of the two they are attracted to

Maxiheterosexual- extreme heterosexual, could hate people of the same gender, could just not be able to conceive a sexual relationship with the same gender*

Maxihomosexual- extreme homosexual, could hate people of the opposite gender, could just not be able to conceive a sexual relationship with the oppositee gender

Open-Minded Bisexual- feels like they could love someone not of the two genders that they are attracted to but hasn't found someone they feel that way about.

Open-Minded Heterosexual- feels like they could love someone of the same gender but hasn't found anyone they feel that way about. (Inspired by my friend :smallsmile:)

Open-Minded Homosexual- feels like they could love someone of the opposite gender but hasn't found anyone they feel that way about.

Transgenderferre- (doesn't really roll off the tongue, but could work) preferring transgender women or men, can be used in combination with bisexual or pansexual

Uniabsexualnormality- the only exception to your sexuality (for example, the only girl that a gay man loved would be a uniabsexualnormality)

*A maxiheterosexual is different from a homophobe because they don't necessarily have anything against homosexuals and they don't necessarily fear homosexuals, they either hate everyone of the same gender or can't understand the idea of a relationship with someone of the same gender

Not sure about a lot of them... if you have any feedback or suggestions let me know!
The -ferre ones are strange. First, andro- and gyne- are Greek roots, so a greek suffix would be better. Second, even though prefer derives from praeferre, ferre means carry. Malle is a better word. Third, malle and ferre are both infinitive verbal forms, so using them to form nouns/adjectives sounds strange.

And I'm really not about sure the maxi- ones.

I think at some point, it's better to just... describe how you feel about any given gender. Very precise words are not needed for this.

[Death by DM]

:smallsmile: Good point. It was just an idea.

[Asta Kask]

So you feel like "Let it go"? I feel more like this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrwQUgr-9Ng) :smallwink:

[Chess435]

We don't care whether you identify as a boy or a girl because we identify you as a friend either way. Please talk to us. Talk to me. You're the best friend I have. I don't want to lose you.

Couldn't have said it any better. Please don't go. :smallfrown:

[TaiLiu]

I'm leaving. I'm really really sorry.

I just can't go on anymore. I'm not a girl, never have been, never will be. Don't look like one and never will. No point in trying to transition anymore when I'm not real. No point being here anymore if I'm detransitioning. I'll be fine.

Hope everything goes well for everyone.

Bai.
To echo:

We would rather you not go.
Why are you thinking/doing this?
We're all comrades here.

[alaalba_123]

To echo:

We would rather you not go.
Why are you thinking/doing this?
We're all comrades here.


Very succinct. I approve this message.

EDIT: On a personal note, I find myself wishing I was more androgynous-looking more and more.

[Proud Tortoise]

Very succinct. I approve this message.

EDIT: On a personal note, I find myself wishing I was more androgynous-looking more and more.

Agree on both counts 38(

[alaalba_123]

So, is anyone else way more open on here than in their personal life? Very few of my friends and none of my family know about my gender identity struggles. And even less know about the rape.

[Proud Tortoise]

So, is anyone else way more open on here than in their personal life? Very few of my friends and none of my family know about my gender identity struggles. And even less know about the rape.

I'm a little more open on here about some things. I spoilered some stuff close to the beginning of my involvement that I've never told anyone IRL... But I don't think anyone read it on here either X3 So maybe not.

[Asta Kask]

I got an e-mail from AuroraFinn yesterday and she's fine. She's in love, and that seems to be good for her mood.

[Lauren]

So, is anyone else way more open on here than in their personal life? Very few of my friends and none of my family know about my gender identity struggles. And even less know about the rape.

My family don't accept my sexuality because either I'm 'not programmed that way' (Mum) or they think it's 'bull****' (Dad). (My brother is super supportive and I love him.)

On the flip side, Dad was super supportive when I was raped. He drove me to the police station, then drove me there again after I had a panic attack the first time and threw up on myself in the car park. Mum was supportive but also wanted me to get on with moving on.

As a complete aside, I'm reading through Khaos Komix. I can identify a lot with Nay, but to my surprise I'm also identifying more than I'd expected with Tom. Particularly page 8 of his story. I don't know what this means for me, for my identity. This is the first time I've said anything about it outside of my head, really.

[turkishproverb]

So, is anyone else way more open on here than in their personal life? Very few of my friends and none of my family know about my gender identity struggles. And even less know about the rape.

Some, but not all, friends know I like guys. None of my family does.

[Asta Kask]

My family don't accept my sexuality because either I'm 'not programmed that way' (Mum) or they think it's 'bull****' (Dad). (My brother is super supportive and I love him.)

Fascinating how people can deny reality that way. You'd think that you being... you is sufficient proof that, yes, you are 'programmed' that way.

[Skeppio]

I'm leaving. I'm really really sorry.

I just can't go on anymore. I'm not a girl, never have been, never will be. Don't look like one and never will. No point in trying to transition anymore when I'm not real. No point being here anymore if I'm detransitioning. I'll be fine.

Hope everything goes well for everyone.

Bai.

Sent you a message via Facebook (I don't remember any other spots I can contact you). I hope you're okay. :smallfrown:

[ArlEammon]

Id appreciate some feedback. On something embarrassing. . . related to this thread's subject matter.

[Miriel]

Id appreciate some feedback. On something embarrassing. . . related to this thread's subject matter.
You can PM me.

[Eldest]

Id appreciate some feedback. On something embarrassing. . . related to this thread's subject matter.

Or you could pm me.

[Serpentine]

And MY inbox!

http://theiddm.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/gimli-axe-cursed-item.jpg

[Eldest]

Yeah, that did come off a bit confrontational. :smalltongue:

Meant to say something like "I can talk too" but early morning means no communication skills.

[Proud Tortoise]

I got an e-mail from AuroraFinn yesterday and she's fine. She's in love, and that seems to be good for her mood.

38)


My family don't accept my sexuality because either I'm 'not programmed that way' (Mum) or they think it's 'bull****' (Dad). (My brother is super supportive and I love him.)

That's annoying. Wouldn't you *know* how you're "programmed"?


And MY inbox!

http://theiddm.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/gimli-axe-cursed-item.jpg

LAUGHS.

[Absol197]

No, Lena! Nononono! None of that is true!

Please, please, talk to me! :frown: If you don't want to post here, please send me a PM, or find me on Skype.

Please...

I can't lose you... :smallfrown:

[NeroGrimm]

So, wait, what's happened? Why is Lena leaving? I've just barely gotten to say hi...
I hope things work out.

[Astrella]

Hi everyone mew. I'm really sorry for scaring everyone like that. I'm okay, will explain more later.

[Asta Kask]

LEEEEEEEEENAAAAAAA!

You're back! Never do quaaludes again young lady! :smallwink:

*hugs*

[Absol197]

Hi everyone mew. I'm really sorry for scaring everyone like that. I'm okay, will explain more later.

Oh my God... Lena, I'm so glad you're okay.

*All my hugs*
I'm sorry, I just can't imagine what if do if I lost you...

~Phoenix~

EDIT: Protip: crying at work is not a good idea, especially when your job involves talking to random people about their finances. Even if they're tears of relief.

[Eldest]

Hi everyone mew. I'm really sorry for scaring everyone like that. I'm okay, will explain more later.

*hugs*

As long as you're ok. :smallsmile:

[Miriel]

Hi everyone mew. I'm really sorry for scaring everyone like that. I'm okay, will explain more later.
You don't have to be sorry. I'm sure whatever happened, it was worse for you than for all of us combined.

*hug*

[Mina Kobold]

Hi everyone mew. I'm really sorry for scaring everyone like that. I'm okay, will explain more later.

*Hugs*

No worries. As long as you're all right, you don't need to worry about us being scared. Take your time and explain when and if you want. :smallsmile:

[Mono Vertigo]

Good news! I was afraid we wouldn't have any. Take your time. I'm glad you haven't left. :smallsmile:

[noparlpf]

Hi everyone mew. I'm really sorry for scaring everyone like that. I'm okay, will explain more later.

I'm glad you're okay.

[Delusion]

Had the weirdest anxiety attack ever on a train today. It was one of those that start slow and small and then ramp up. Well while this one was steadily ramping up, I managed to distract myself for about a minute.

During this minute I promtly fell asleep only to wake up about 20 minutes later, feeling reeaaaallly tired, but with no anxiety.

[SiuiS]

I got an e-mail from AuroraFinn yesterday and she's fine. She's in love, and that seems to be good for her mood.

Ah, cool. Tell her she is missed!


Hi everyone mew. I'm really sorry for scaring everyone like that. I'm okay, will explain more later.

Goodness! So long as you're okay, we can wait.



EDIT: Protip: crying at work is not a good idea, especially when your job involves talking to random people about their finances. Even if they're tears of relief.

Oh my. >_<
Nothing too permanent, I trust?

[Lauren]

Fascinating how people can deny reality that way. You'd think that you being... you is sufficient proof that, yes, you are 'programmed' that way.

I can only assume that her saying that means I am her robot and she didn't include that in her programming and I've broken her programming somehow.

Or she made a poor word choice.

or I'm a robot clank clank


Had the weirdest anxiety attack ever on a train today. It was one of those that start slow and small and then ramp up. Well while this one was steadily ramping up, I managed to distract myself for about a minute.

During this minute I promtly fell asleep only to wake up about 20 minutes later, feeling reeaaaallly tired, but with no anxiety.

Good for you being able to distract yourself! Shame about the ensuing tiredness, but I personally would prefer the tiredness over the anxiety.

[SiuiS]

I can only assume that her saying that means I am her robot and she didn't include that in her programming and I've broken her programming somehow.

Or she made a poor word choice.

or I'm a robot clank clank


*oilcan's your joints*

I'm helping! =3

[Irish Musician]

Hi everyone mew. I'm really sorry for scaring everyone like that. I'm okay, will explain more later.
I'm glad you are ok. And Welcome back. :smallsmile:

EDIT: Protip: crying at work is not a good idea, especially when your job involves talking to random people about their finances. Even if they're tears of relief.
Don't worry Phee, I've cried at work before. It is probably quite odd looking when the large, long-haired, tattooed, pierced dude cries, but whatever :smallsmile:

M

[Proud Tortoise]

Hi everyone mew. I'm really sorry for scaring everyone like that. I'm okay, will explain more later.

Yaaaay! Illuda! *dances*

[Eldest]

I got an e-mail from AuroraFinn yesterday and she's fine. She's in love, and that seems to be good for her mood.

(missed this earlier)

Generally that does improve one's mood. :smallsmile:

[Delusion]

Good for you being able to distract yourself! Shame about the ensuing tiredness, but I personally would prefer the tiredness over the anxiety.

So do I. Though being tired made the physics lecture bid harder to follow. But then again, so would being intensely afraid of the future, thinking of horrible and stupid I am etc....

[noparlpf]

:smallsigh: My mum is not at all accepting of asexuality.
So I told her about me confessing to my friend who of course said she doesn't feel the same because she's ace. My mum starts saying things like maybe down the road she'll change her mind, and that my friend seems like she was abused as a kid because she's not into anybody. Really? Like how last generation it was gays who must have been abused as kids. But she doesn't see the parallel. A few weeks back she and my brother were arguing because he mentioned a friend who's asexual. My mum says that you can't know at sixteen. I cut in to say well, can't you know you're gay or straight at sixteen? She says of course, but it's different. Blah.

Edit: Friend says she got that and similar a lot in high school. I'm tempted to make a bunch of t-shirts with different ace facts and a link to AVENwiki and just wear those from now on.

[Miriel]

Trans* rights group is getting somewhere! As serious and important people, we even have a Facebook page. Yay! :smallsmile: We'll do a petition about trans* rights and issues on campus starting next week and, you know... other stuff.

[Proud Tortoise]

:smallsigh: My mum is not at all accepting of asexuality.
So I told her about me confessing to my friend who of course said she doesn't feel the same because she's ace. My mum starts saying things like maybe down the road she'll change her mind, and that my friend seems like she was abused as a kid because she's not into anybody. Really? Like how last generation it was gays who must have been abused as kids. But she doesn't see the parallel. A few weeks back she and my brother were arguing because he mentioned a friend who's asexual. My mum says that you can't know at sixteen. I cut in to say well, can't you know you're gay or straight at sixteen? She says of course, but it's different. Blah.

Edit: Friend says she got that and similar a lot in high school. I'm tempted to make a bunch of t-shirts with different ace facts and a link to AVENwiki and just wear those from now on.

SIIIIGH. My mom has much the same viewpoint. I haven't actually told her I'm asexual... It's kind of uncomfortable, because the Olympics have prompted discussion of sexuality and so on. She's accepting of gays and so forth, but she says things like "Gays seem more natural than people who don't feel sexual attraction at all." I'm like, "ha ha riiight" *dies*

[Irish Musician]

SIIIIGH. My mom has much the same viewpoint. I haven't actually told her I'm asexual... It's kind of uncomfortable, because the Olympics have prompted discussion of sexuality and so on. She's accepting of gays and so forth, but she says things like "Gays seem more natural than people who don't feel sexual attraction at all." I'm like, "ha ha riiight" *dies*


:smallsigh: My mum is not at all accepting of asexuality.
So I told her about me confessing to my friend who of course said she doesn't feel the same because she's ace. My mum starts saying things like maybe down the road she'll change her mind, and that my friend seems like she was abused as a kid because she's not into anybody. Really? Like how last generation it was gays who must have been abused as kids. But she doesn't see the parallel. A few weeks back she and my brother were arguing because he mentioned a friend who's asexual. My mum says that you can't know at sixteen. I cut in to say well, can't you know you're gay or straight at sixteen? She says of course, but it's different. Blah.

Edit: Friend says she got that and similar a lot in high school. I'm tempted to make a bunch of t-shirts with different ace facts and a link to AVENwiki and just wear those from now on.

I still can't understand why people think Sexuality is a black/white thing. To some people there is no grey to it, it is just either you like girls or like guys (or if they are really close minded, just the opposite sex). You can't like both, or either, to them. Because they know what everyone, everywhere is feeling all the time. UGh. :smallsigh::smallannoyed:

.....opposite sex, is that the right phrase?

M

[Proud Tortoise]

I still can't understand why people think Sexuality is a black/white thing. To some people there is no grey to it, it is just either you like girls or like guys (or if they are really close minded, just the opposite sex). You can't like both, or either, to them. Because they know what everyone, everywhere is feeling all the time. UGh. :smallsigh::smallannoyed:

.....opposite sex, is that the right phrase?

M

Well, her rationale is that it's "natural" to feel attraction... Homosexuality is a sort of diversion of that attraction to the same sex, but it has to go somewhere... apparently. 38(

[Irish Musician]

Well, her rationale is that it's "natural" to feel attraction... Homosexuality is a sort of diversion of that attraction to the same sex, but it has to go somewhere... apparently. 38(
I'm sorry. You feel what you feel, or don't feel, towards people......I've never gotten the concept of telling others how they are supposed to feel. Hugs and cookies for you though, for that is all I have to give.

[ArlEammon]

Ugh, I'm 30 years old, and STILL not sure of anything regarding my sexuality. Am I going to be stuck in Sexual High School for my entire life?

[Zorg]

I'm almost 30 and still don't really know what the hell I'm doing so maybe..?

Also glad everything's ok Lena.

-

Had another mini-breakdown thing again this morning. Not been sleeping at all well, like 3-4 hours at most for the last week and a half maybe. But I'm actually being productive with my time at least, loads of drawing and writing.

[Phae Nymna]

Geezy breezy... We're up to 47 LGBTAIiTP's? I've been away a long time, but it's good to see things are still lively and that everyone's doing fairly well. :smallsmile:

[SiuiS]

This one's for you, Zorg. (http://tatterdemalionvulpine.tumblr.com/post/76205118187/theweetosdoesart-lich-like-lichen)


https://31.media.tumblr.com/03513ef4ba4a911e3db3b293990e7a63/tumblr_inline_n0hkghG4WQ1qg170h.png

[Lix Lorn]

Glad you're okay astrella (sends optional hugs)

I have good news I guess but I really cba to type the whole story out so. there's good news yay.

[Zorg]

SiuiS, I'm not sure why you are reminding me of something I found extremely upsetting.

[SiuiS]

Because I figured a happy ending and a proclivity for change as the undercurrent of society would be an uplifting thing? I did consider that it was just upsetting, but thought I knew the situation enough to take the risk. Sorry.

[turkishproverb]

Less fighting, more Awesomeness!


And MY inbox!

http://theiddm.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/gimli-axe-cursed-item.jpg

Beat me to the punch.

I'm open too.


Hi everyone mew. I'm really sorry for scaring everyone like that. I'm okay, will explain more later.

*gives digi-cookies*

Glad you're back!


Had the weirdest anxiety attack ever on a train today. It was one of those that start slow and small and then ramp up. Well while this one was steadily ramping up, I managed to distract myself for about a minute.

During this minute I promtly fell asleep only to wake up about 20 minutes later, feeling reeaaaallly tired, but with no anxiety.

I've had those . not sure what to tell you.

It is not fun. Distracting yourself is definitely a good idea.


Geezy breezy... We're up to 47 LGBTAIiTP's? I've been away a long time, but it's good to see things are still lively and that everyone's doing fairly well. :smallsmile:

We have been around a while. I think I showed up first in the single digits.

[Zorg]

Because I figured a happy ending and a proclivity for change as the undercurrent of society would be an uplifting thing? I did consider that it was just upsetting, but thought I knew the situation enough to take the risk. Sorry.

It's ok, I do appreciate the sentiment :smallsmile:
I guess to explain in non-mental breakdown terms I found it upsetting not due to any suggestion of change, but more as a reminder that no matter how much changes, even complete LGBTA acceptance tomorrow, I still missed out on a real childhood, and nothing can alter that.

[turkishproverb]

...

*Hugs Zorg*

...


Ugh, I'm 30 years old, and STILL not sure of anything regarding my sexuality. Am I going to be stuck in Sexual High School for my entire life?

NOt sure what to tell you. Pay attention to your feelings.


This. Although I'm even older. Bummer.

If you have to wait until you're certain, you'll have to wait until you're dead. Besides, as someone who's trained as a scientist I would like to protest against the idea that uncertainty is necessarily bad. Uncertainty can be awesome.

I think there's a fundamental principle that you can't know your gender and sexuality with arbitrary precision at the same time.

A certain movie says everything is awesome.

BUt yea, this isn't bad advice.

[Asta Kask]

Ugh, I'm 30 years old, and STILL not sure of anything regarding my sexuality. Am I going to be stuck in Sexual High School for my entire life?

This. Although I'm even older. Bummer.

If you have to wait until you're certain, you'll have to wait until you're dead. Besides, as someone who's trained as a scientist I would like to protest against the idea that uncertainty is necessarily bad. Uncertainty can be awesome.

I think there's a fundamental principle that you can't know your gender and sexuality with arbitrary precision at the same time.

[Lix Lorn]

It's ok, I do appreciate the sentiment :smallsmile:
I guess to explain in non-mental breakdown terms I found it upsetting not due to any suggestion of change, but more as a reminder that no matter how much changes, even complete LGBTA acceptance tomorrow, I still missed out on a real childhood, and nothing can alter that.
I had a pretty good childhood, but I still spend too much time wishing I could have had a female childhood. so. I feel that? Unless you just had a ****ty one in which case lots of hugs. assuming you like hugs.

[Asta Kask]

NOt sure what to tell you. Pay attention to your feelings.

Search your feelings. You know it to be true.

Oh, and don't take advice from the psychopathic child-murderer in the black mask.

[Skeppio]

I had a pretty crappy childhood, not from family though. Mostly bullies in school. I guess mediocre is a better word for it. Plus no-one gave me grief about being trans, though only because I kept it hidden into my 20's, screwing over a lot of possible chances to get treatment in the process. :smallsigh:

Also, am I the only one who gets annoyed at comics with trans characters, where every single time said character passes near-perfectly? I've never seen a trans character in any media who experienced any trouble passing. I mean, it's nice and all, but it feels really unrealistic (I may be biased due to my total inability to pass convincingly).

[Asta Kask]

Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only person on the Internet who had a happy childhood.

*hugs* to Skeppio and Zorg and everyone else who needs one

[Serpentine]

Also, am I the only one who gets annoyed at comics with trans characters, where every single time said character passes near-perfectly? I've never seen a trans character in any media who experienced any trouble passing. I mean, it's nice and all, but it feels really unrealistic (I may be biased due to my total inability to pass convincingly).It tends to happen a fair bit in TV, but unfortunately on the flip-side that it's often for comedic or "how weird" effect. Sometimes it's YMMV, though: In The Crying Game, for example, I didn't guess, but other people saw it coming a mile away.

[Miriel]

Also, am I the only one who gets annoyed at comics with trans characters, where every single time said character passes near-perfectly? I've never seen a trans character in any media who experienced any trouble passing. I mean, it's nice and all, but it feels really unrealistic (I may be biased due to my total inability to pass convincingly).
You're not the only one.

[SiuiS]

It's ok, I do appreciate the sentiment :smallsmile:
I guess to explain in non-mental breakdown terms I found it upsetting not due to any suggestion of change, but more as a reminder that no matter how much changes, even complete LGBTA acceptance tomorrow, I still missed out on a real childhood, and nothing can alter that.

I understand.


I had a pretty crappy childhood, not from family though. Mostly bullies in school. I guess mediocre is a better word for it. Plus no-one gave me grief about being trans, though only because I kept it hidden into my 20's, screwing over a lot of possible chances to get treatment in the process. :smallsigh:

Also, am I the only one who gets annoyed at comics with trans characters, where every single time said character passes near-perfectly? I've never seen a trans character in any media who experienced any trouble passing. I mean, it's nice and all, but it feels really unrealistic (I may be biased due to my total inability to pass convincingly).

While I get the idea, I cannot think of any way to do a media portrayal of a trans person not passing that would be something I would actually want to watch.

[Asta Kask]

While I get the idea, I cannot think of any way to do a media portrayal of a trans person not passing that would be something I would actually want to watch.

I think there would be a very large risk of an "othering" effect (but I don't have any data to back that up).

[Serpentine]

While I get the idea, I cannot think of any way to do a media portrayal of a trans person not passing that would be something I would actually want to watch.I can see a compromise, where you can "tell" that a character is trans, but might not have assumed or would not have been so surprised if they were actually cis. Or just the first part, but it's just sort of part of their appearance, not a joke or anything like that.

[SiuiS]

I think there would be a very large risk of an "othering" effect (but I don't have any data to back that up).

Yeah. I think our current status is best. Simply because "transsexual individual has trouble being recieved" would, when played straight, crash and burn. No viewers. No positive press. PR disaster as company distances themselves from mean things villain of the week says.

...

Actually, maybe not. Hmm.
I think I could see a trans woman who is still very male looking as the focus, but with an eye towards the support network and backing of others who focus more on 'you're a valid person' than on any drama. But then the trans person becomes the Gandalf, the central figure who enables and establishes the narrative but is more plot device than character.

Sadly, I don't think this would work with a transman. But that might just be subtle internalized bias.

[Asta Kask]

I'm reading The Better Angels of our Nature, and one of the things Pinker stresses that one thing that has proceeded the great Rights Revolutions - such as equal rights for African-Americans or women - are texts, movies, etc. that allow the privileged to put themselves in the non-privilegeds' shoes. To experience what it is to be a slave and see your children sold to another owner, or a woman and being beaten for daring to question the status quo. Maybe the story about a trans paladin a thread member is writing (and I'm terribly sorry but I've forgotten who it is - sorry) is the real answer. "What if it happened to you?" is a powerful moralizing factor.

A talk by Stephen Pinker (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5X2-i_poNU) is here. (He gets to the Rights Revolution eventually - 34 minutes.)

[Iruka]

Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only person on the Internet who had a happy childhood.


Nah, my childhood was pretty happy, too. Sure, the occasional bullying and beating and I was never really close to anyone among my family or the few friends I had. But somehow that didn't impact my overall happiness and now I'm constantly yearning to get back into that state free from any responsibility or pressure.

[Mono Vertigo]

This. Although I'm even older. Bummer.

If you have to wait until you're certain, you'll have to wait until you're dead. Besides, as someone who's trained as a scientist I would like to protest against the idea that uncertainty is necessarily bad. Uncertainty can be awesome.

I think there's a fundamental principle that you can't know your gender and sexuality with arbitrary precision at the same time.
Does that make gender and sexuality part of quantum physics? You know, that would explain a lot about how confusing and strange both can be...


Gotta agree. I know I'm demisexual, but other than that, all I know is that I'm not lesbian (unless BF is the lone exception, but then all bets are off), as I literally don't have enough libido/attraction to be able to point at someone and announce "I'd tap that". However, beside the intellectual disappointment at not being able to figure that out, all in all, I figured it doesn't matter. By default, I just kinda appear as heterosexual right now.
Gender-wise, I'd be hard-pressed as well to tell what makes me female, or what being female feels like. All I know is that I'm happy with what I was born with, that I don't think I'd be happy with different bits, and I'd be furious if someone non-jokingly referred to me as a guy for other reasons than honest mistake. Yet, I think that if I had been born as the other sex and raised as a boy, I could very well have identified as a boy. Gender is a hell of a thing to define when you exclude social context, like gender roles. (What I'm getting at, I guess, is that many, if not all, trans* folks here surely have a better grasp on self-identification in terms of gender than I do; I'm female by default, if that makes sense.)
And anyway, I'm getting used to standing semi-awkwardly between several boxes instead of fitting neatly in a single one. (Problem being is that a lot of the time, I just kinda get the worst of both worlds, but that's just me.)

This turned into a Facebook post again. I've got to stop doing that. Anyway, it can be annoying not to know everything about yourself, but uncertainty exists in everyone, and it's not bad or unnatural. (Does the natural/unnatural distinction still matters today? Tons of things that are unnatural are extremely nice or useful, and the amount of natural things that are hostile to our well-being is staggering. Hell, discussing with people all over the world on a forum where most avatars are stick people IS pretty damn unnatural.)


EDIT: my childhood was pretty decent. Much like Allie (Hyperbole and a Half), a bunch of my problems were unquestionably and hilariously self-inflicted. (Then there was my mother who drove me crazy sometimes but calling it "abuse" would seriously stretch it, and the bullying, which only had to do with teenagers frequently being Chaotic, Evil, or both.)

[Mina Kobold]

Glad you're okay astrella (sends optional hugs)

I have good news I guess but I really cba to type the whole story out so. there's good news yay.

Yay for unspecified good news! ^_^


Also, am I the only one who gets annoyed at comics with trans characters, where every single time said character passes near-perfectly? I've never seen a trans character in any media who experienced any trouble passing. I mean, it's nice and all, but it feels really unrealistic (I may be biased due to my total inability to pass convincingly).

I'm mostly happy when they don't go for "Look, man in drag! HAHAHA!" portrayals, but this trope does seem to happen a lot. I think some webcomic cases result from the author wanting to make a story where the character had what they didn't (Jocelyn S. DiDomenick has mentioned a few things to this effect about Rain), so I generally don't have too much of a problem there. The intentions are at least pretty good.

Mainstream media tends to be a lot more irksome to me, though. With comics and animation, it really comes off as if many artists can't imagine drawing characters that are not either in the Superman or Wonder Woman extreme. It really feels like even if they accept binary trans people, they can't imagine anyone not looking like either extreme, whether because they don't pass as well or because they are not in the binary. >_<

Live action media is something I have experienced less trans-related stories in, though I think the issue might be that it is usually a cis actor that plays the part. Really hope more will follow Orange Is The New Black's example and actually hire actors who are trans to play those parts, and not go for people who pass perfectly every time.



Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only person on the Internet who had a happy childhood.

*hugs* to Skeppio and Zorg and everyone else who needs one

I had a decent childhood. Obviously a few big things I would have liked to be different, but generally pretty good. ^_^

EDIT: Oh, and I found a good news too! Venus Envy updated recently. I don't know if it will continue to do so, but new page! ^w^

[alaalba_123]

Weighing in negative on the happy childhood discussion for obvious reasons, though mine wasn't the worst among my friends by about a mile and a half.

[Eldest]

EDIT: my childhood was pretty decent. Much like Allie (Hyperbole and a Half), a bunch of my problems were unquestionably and hilariously self-inflicted. (Then there was my mother who drove me crazy sometimes but calling it "abuse" would seriously stretch it, and the bullying, which only had to do with teenagers frequently being Chaotic, Evil, or both.)

Hey now. Chaotic is a perfectly good alignment that I would argue has nothing to do with bullying. It'd be the Evil tendancies that do that. [/needless alignment pedantry] :smalltongue:

[NeroGrimm]

I'm hungry.
This has been a post.

[Asta Kask]

Have you considered eating?

[Irish Musician]

Weighing in negative on the happy childhood discussion for obvious reasons, though mine wasn't the worst among my friends by about a mile and a half.
I'm sorry. As someone who also grew up in Texas, I know the stigma of being anything other than straight. Being cis myself, I obviously don't know the direct negative feelings there, but being in theater I know a lot of the hate that is brought to the table. A good friend of mine in High School was trans and he, at the time it was he because he hadn't started identifying female quite yet, got a LOT of crap from people. Funny (Werid funny) thing was, that the crap he got from people was only from a small group of people, not from the majority of people.

I'm hungry.
This has been a post.
I, too, am hungry. I think I will munch on some Wheat Thins. NOM.

M

[Skeppio]

Ugh, I'm 30 years old, and STILL not sure of anything regarding my sexuality. Am I going to be stuck in Sexual High School for my entire life?

You could be like me, stuck in Emotional High School instead. Where I am forever tormented by my trust issues, inability to properly discuss and work out my issues with others and the stark duality in my mind where I'm plagued by the inner darkness thirsting for revenge and blood (aka: the side everyone assumes is my default.

All the while, I'm forever reminded that the bullies who turned me into this will never be punished. They will live full happy lives, the very same happy life their evils robbed me of. I'll forever feel cheated by those remorseless fiends. If only I could have the revenge part of me cries for. Then that side would at least be content at long last...

Such is my life. I hope yours goes better. If it helps, lots of people are still unsure of such things at your age.

[Delusion]

Also, am I the only one who gets annoyed at comics with trans characters, where every single time said character passes near-perfectly? I've never seen a trans character in any media who experienced any trouble passing. I mean, it's nice and all, but it feels really unrealistic (I may be biased due to my total inability to pass convincingly).

[Shameless self promotion] The main character in my story doesn't pass all the time. [/shameless self promotion]

Well she does pass often enough, but definately not all the time...

[Asta Kask]

You're the one with the paladin! I'm terribly sorry.

[Delusion]

You're the one with the paladin! I'm terribly sorry.

Huh? I think I missed something? ^^

[Eldest]

I'm reading The Better Angels of our Nature, and one of the things Pinker stresses that one thing that has proceeded the great Rights Revolutions - such as equal rights for African-Americans or women - are texts, movies, etc. that allow the privileged to put themselves in the non-privilegeds' shoes. To experience what it is to be a slave and see your children sold to another owner, or a woman and being beaten for daring to question the status quo. Maybe the story about a trans paladin a thread member is writing (and I'm terribly sorry but I've forgotten who it is - sorry) is the real answer. "What if it happened to you?" is a powerful moralizing factor.

A talk by Stephen Pinker (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5X2-i_poNU) is here. (He gets to the Rights Revolution eventually - 34 minutes.)

This is the thing he's talking about that was missed.

And now back to my regularly scheduled physics lecture. :smallsigh:

[NeroGrimm]

Have you considered eating?
I have. I considered it in great detail.

I, too, am hungry. I think I will munch on some Wheat Thins. NOM.

M

I wish I had Wheat Thins. They're so great. Especially the veggie medley ones. *drools*

So I had lunch, which was awful, and now I'm back to being a nuisance on the interwebs while waiting for my teacher to yell at me. Mwahahaha.

[Asta Kask]

So I had lunch, which was awful, and now I'm back to being a nuisance on the interwebs while waiting for my teacher to yell at me. Mwahahaha.

Surfing for porn, eh? Today's youth.

[KenderWizard]

I am so glad you dropped by again, Lena! Please stay!

Serps:

And MY inbox!

http://theiddm.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/gimli-axe-cursed-item.jpg


This is why I love you. :smallbiggrin:



EDIT: Protip: crying at work is not a good idea, especially when your job involves talking to random people about their finances. Even if they're tears of relief.

This is true also if your job involves interacting almost exclusively with male scientists. They freak out. :smalleek:


My childhood was pretty idyllic, actually. It was the teenage years where it all went to ... hell in a handbasket. But I was (and am!) very lucky to have a supportive and awesome immediate family, and extended family on my mother's side. I mean, a little more sex ed wouldn't have hurt, but in fairness, my parents were swimming against a tide of judgemental Catholicism from my school. Which was the only available school (okay, there was one other, but it didn't have a good reputation for teaching ... and was also very Catholic).

I did _not_ know that women could masturbate or take pleasure in sex! At all! I thought people only had sex cause they wanted to make babies or, heteronormatively, to please the man. I assumed lesbians just didn't bother. Also, I didn't know anything about how sex worked, except, you know, what you can learn from your collection of science encyclopaedias. (I was not short on science encyclopaedias! But they are short on sexual detail...) My parents apparently assumed I took in more of their initial sex ed than I did (If you want a child to know something, tell it to them several times. If you're hoping they won't find out, it only takes one passing mention and they'll remember forever!) and also assumed I would ask questions, since I asked questions about everything else. But if school is sending a pretty clear "SINFUL" message on a topic, it's hard to bring it up...

[NeroGrimm]

Surfing for porn, eh? Today's youth.

Ew, porn.
Not actually that big of a fan. Personally speaking, why watch when you can do?

[Asta Kask]

I did _not_ know that women could masturbate or take pleasure in sex! At all! I thought people only had sex cause they wanted to make babies or, heteronormatively, to please the man. I assumed lesbians just didn't bother. Also, I didn't know anything about how sex worked, except, you know, what you can learn from your collection of science encyclopaedias. (I was not short on science encyclopaedias! But they are short on sexual detail...) My parents apparently assumed I took in more of their initial sex ed than I did (If you want a child to know something, tell it to them several times. If you're hoping they won't find out, it only takes one passing mention and they'll remember forever!) and also assumed I would ask questions, since I asked questions about everything else. But if school is sending a pretty clear "SINFUL" message on a topic, it's hard to bring it up...


Would you really have wanted your parents to talk to you about masturbation? I would have been acutely embarrassed.

[alaalba_123]

Would you really have wanted your parents to talk to you about masturbation? I would have been acutely embarrassed.

I actually had that conversation for the first time with my older brother.
He was also the first one to define the word fetishes to me, which I always found strange as my mom is actually active in the fetish community and a very open person.

[Coidzor]

Ew, porn.
Not actually that big of a fan. Personally speaking, why watch when you can do?

Uh... I believe you just answered your own question, at least partially. :smallconfused:

[Asta Kask]

Suggestion for non-LGBTA people who enter the thread:

http://lovingenergies.spruz.com/gfile/75r4!-!GJMDEK!-!zrzor45!-!JQSEOPJQ-DQSN-HSJN-NRJK-QHISIMDQDNSL!-!72y1nq/unlearn.jpg

It certainly was true for me. :smallsmile:

[alaalba_123]

Uh... I believe you just answered your own question, at least partially. :smallconfused:

Do you mean watch because you can't do? Because if so, I completely agree. Currently, I'm staying with my mom and her friends, as well as one friends severely autistic daughter who has a pretty massive crush on me. Bringing someone home is beyond out of the question, even if there was anyone who I'd be interested in bringing home, but I still have urges.

[Mono Vertigo]

*grumbles incoherently about French politicians and gender theory*


Would you really have wanted your parents to talk to you about masturbation? I would have been acutely embarrassed.

You know, it's funny, but while I received extremely little sexual education from my parents, I also distinctly remember my mother embarrassing me a lot.
But hell if I can remember whether objective TMI was involved or she merely alluded vaguely to the existence of sex while I was in my prolonged "eeww cooties" stage.
Now though it's plain TMI.

... is there even a good way to talk to young teens about masturbation? If parents do it, it's embarrassing. If teachers do it, it's embarrassing and nobody listens and everybody's laughing. If books do it... well, don't be silly, nobody reads books.
Right now, it's more or less the Internet doing it, to not very good effects, but then we're merging this subject with the other discussion going on in parallel about porn.

[Coidzor]

*grumbles incoherently about French politicians and gender theory*

*can't understand French anyway*

Though that does remind me, I recently saw a french short film about a world where the current borked gender-role situation was reversed. "Oppressed Majority," or rather, the proper title is that, only French (Majorité Opprimée, if sources are to be believed).


You know, it's funny, but while I received extremely little sexual education from my parents, I also distinctly remember my mother embarrassing me a lot.
But hell if I can remember whether objective TMI was involved or she merely alluded vaguely to the existence of sex while I was in my prolonged "eeww cooties" stage.
Now though it's plain TMI.

... is there even a good way to talk to young teens about masturbation? If parents do it, it's embarrassing. If teachers do it, it's embarrassing and nobody listens and everybody's laughing. If books do it... well, don't be silly, nobody reads books.
Right now, it's more or less the Internet doing it, to not very good effects, but then we're merging this subject with the other discussion going on in parallel about porn.

It'd be rather nice to figure out something about that, yeah. I certainly don't know the solution, beyond working against the taboo and making sure that sex education isn't anti-sex in ethos or tone.

IIRC, I think smaller groups for certain topics might help somewhat with the whole stupid tittering problem, but that has its own issues, some of them logistical, some of them trust. Though I've also heard that segregating the sexes helps some with that as well, since there's less pressure to perform in a certain way. That has its own drawbacks though, and what I'd read on it didn't even consider LGBTA youth, beyond noting that we really don't cover those topics very well (or at all) as it is.

[Asta Kask]

For Valentine's Day: Top 11 strangest couples that really work (http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thatguywiththeglasses/nostalgia-critic/42247-top-11-strangest-couples)

[Mono Vertigo]

*can't understand French anyway*

Though that does remind me, I recently saw a french short film about a world where the current borked gender-role situation was reversed. "Oppressed Majority," or rather, the proper title is that, only French (Majorité Opprimée, if sources are to be believed).

Lucky you. Even if you stumbled on news articles about it, you'd be unable to comprehend the stupidity involved.

Sounds right. Timing's amusing, though; there's a regular-length French movie that just came out, Jacky au royaume des filles (Jacky in the kingdom of girls), taking place in an imaginary country where the sexist dynamics present in a bunch of different countries are reversed. The army and government is exclusively feminine, men have to wear burqa-like clothes and are not respected, etc. The hero is a young man whose dream is to marry the dictator's daughter.


It'd be rather nice to figure out something about that, yeah. I certainly don't know the solution, beyond working against the taboo and making sure that sex education isn't anti-sex in ethos or tone.

IIRC, I think smaller groups for certain topics might help somewhat with the whole stupid tittering problem, but that has its own issues, some of them logistical, some of them trust. Though I've also heard that segregating the sexes helps some with that as well, since there's less pressure to perform in a certain way. That has its own drawbacks though, and what I'd read on it didn't even consider LGBTA youth, beyond noting that we really don't cover those topics very well (or at all) as it is.

Smaller groups would help, but right now, I don't believe it's going to help boys much. They tend to be more readily dismissive of authority and show off because of the way they're raised; I bet we'd still see a lot of bravado and stupid remarks about their (imaginary or not) sex life.
For it to work best, we'd need to stop "letting boys be boys". After all, it's not socially acceptable for girls to disturb classes and challenge authority on a whim, it shouldn't be okay for boys either. That would improve the learning rates in every other classes, too, not just sex ed. :smalltongue:
With more discipline, in fact, we could avoid segregating classes, and therefore integrate LGBT students.

[turkishproverb]

For Valentine's Day: Top 11 strangest couples that really work (http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thatguywiththeglasses/nostalgia-critic/42247-top-11-strangest-couples)

Those do not surprise me coming from the critic.

[Mystic Muse]

I had a relatively happy childhood. Can't make any severe complaints, though obviously I would like to have been born/raised female.

Man I can not keep track of when a new thread is made for some very weird reason. :smallconfused:

[Proud Tortoise]

I seem to remember sex ed at school mostly prompted embarrassed silence from the class... I might be remembering wrong though.


This one's for you, Zorg. (http://tatterdemalionvulpine.tumblr.com/post/76205118187/theweetosdoesart-lich-like-lichen)


https://31.media.tumblr.com/03513ef4ba4a911e3db3b293990e7a63/tumblr_inline_n0hkghG4WQ1qg170h.png


O_O
............
Does anyone want some melted heart? It tastes like chocolate and liver


This. Although I'm even older. Bummer.

If you have to wait until you're certain, you'll have to wait until you're dead. Besides, as someone who's trained as a scientist I would like to protest against the idea that uncertainty is necessarily bad. Uncertainty can be awesome.

I think there's a fundamental principle that you can't know your gender and sexuality with arbitrary precision at the same time.

Maybe the best policy is the one from Little Miss Sunshine. "Do what you want, and **** the rest."

[Thufir]

Well, her rationale is that it's "natural" to feel attraction... Homosexuality is a sort of diversion of that attraction to the same sex, but it has to go somewhere... apparently. 38(

The thing is, for most people it is natural, a natural, automatic part of their psyches, so the idea that someone could not experience something so integral to their experience of the human condition is difficult for them to wrap their heads around.

Not defending it of course, just because I can't fully understand something due to not having a suitable reference point in my own experiences doesn't mean I can't acknowledge and respect it. Just figure the rationale behind the other viewpoint is somewhat relevant.


Geezy breezy... We're up to 47 LGBTAIiTP's? I've been away a long time, but it's good to see things are still lively and that everyone's doing fairly well. :smallsmile:

I remember you! I remember you from back when you had a different name!


We have been around a while. I think I showed up first in the single digits.

You did, I remember. Back in the halcyon days where the thread's first page presence was largely maintained by Collin flirting with all the men.


Also, am I the only one who gets annoyed at comics with trans characters, where every single time said character passes near-perfectly? I've never seen a trans character in any media who experienced any trouble passing. I mean, it's nice and all, but it feels really unrealistic (I may be biased due to my total inability to pass convincingly).

Well, given that a large proportion of the readership of most comics probably aren't that knowledgeable about trans people, unless the difficulty of passing was specifically focused on a number of them would be confused, and/or might simply not accept that character as their proper gender.
Also, obviously your experience may vary, but I hardly ever see trans characters in any media at all, so I figure any good portrayal I do see is a step forwards.

[SiuiS]

-snip-

Are... Are you an illuminati cupcake?

[Heliomance]

Are... Are you an illuminati cupcake?

He's more likely to be an illuminati catmuffin.

[Colonel Fedora]

Hey, folks. Sorry for not hanging around much. I'm not doing that great emotionally, so if everyone could spend half a page or so saying nice things that would be great.

Also, my early experience with porn and masturbation mostly involved hating myself for looking at and doing them respectively. Thanks, parents!

[Serpentine]

Kender: ^_^ <3

Re. Masturbation I don't think it really came up in my education, and I never did it until after I finished school, but I never got told it was bad.
Re. Sex ed, mine was adequate, at least acknowledged the existence of same-sex sex (I think there was at least a "dudes doin' it with dudes need condoms too"), and also touched briefly on abnormal sexual development (specifically a doco on people who appeared female and then suddenly turn out to be male when they hit puberty, and I think some on intersex people). It was supplemented by the books "Where Did I Come From" and "The Joy of Sex", my mum's medical magazines, my dad's 70s porn comic, and SBS movies. So now that I think about it Kender's problem of not knowing sex could be nice for girls wasn't really likely to be an issue for me...

Re childhood, aside from a divorce and a fair bit of loneliness my childhood was pretty great, including no gendered expectations or restrictions and few prejudicial influences.

I asked my nephew to show me his new costumes, and he picked his fairy dress first :3 (I had to make some quick paper wings for it, first). Also my older nephew fancies the idea of being in a Rocky Horror production, fishnets and all.

[Alad]

Smaller groups would help, but right now, I don't believe it's going to help boys much. They tend to be more readily dismissive of authority and show off because of the way they're raised; I bet we'd still see a lot of bravado and stupid remarks about their (imaginary or not) sex life.
For it to work best, we'd need to stop "letting boys be boys". After all, it's not socially acceptable for girls to disturb classes and challenge authority on a whim, it shouldn't be okay for boys either. That would improve the learning rates in every other classes, too, not just sex ed. :smalltongue:
With more discipline, in fact, we could avoid segregating classes, and therefore integrate LGBT students.
I dunno about your school, but the boy's in mine shut their mouth's and listened. for what little sex ed we had, which was limited. as for the boys disturbing classes and challenging authority, I think I shall hold my tongue (cause. I was probably the worst offender for that. ever. )

[Mutant Sheep]

As far as boys saying stupid crap in sex ed, I had alot of that. But I was the only one who didn't know already, so it's not like the other guys missed much.
The content of it was Incredibly basic, and probably doesn't get to count as sex ed. It was about three days with one period segregated with a 50+ year old woman explaining that blood goes to this spot, and then to make babies, you put that into the lady (who other 50+ year old woman will tell you about tomorrow). A classmate asked if it felt good, she explained that it depends on if you like the person you're with and you both know what you're doing, then the next day was talking about pregnancy. Never got anything about how it was a great sin, though. Did I go to the wrong school?:smallfrown::smalltongue:

@KenderWiz: Heh. Science books. I had religion books on masculine purity and how to raise them, do they count?:smallbiggrin:
*freaks out about how she remembered him, goes to hide again*:smalltongue:

[NeroGrimm]

Hey, folks. Sorry for not hanging around much. I'm not doing that great emotionally, so if everyone could spend half a page or so saying nice things that would be great.

Also, my early experience with porn and masturbation mostly involved hating myself for looking at and doing them respectively. Thanks, parents!

Would you like a hug? I'm often told that my hugs are warm and gentle.

Well, my early experience with both was caused by my first boyfriend, actually. He showed me porn, taught me about masturbation, and was actually the first person to teach me why people did it. Of course, when my grandmother found out, she was angry, but not because I was going out with a guy. No, it was more or less that I was watching porn that made her upset.
But when I got older, I stopped liking porn. I think it started to happen when I got into filmmaking and realized that the acting was terrible, and just about everything in porn is terrible.

[Mono Vertigo]

I dunno about your school, but the boy's in mine shut their mouth's and listened. for what little sex ed we had, which was limited. as for the boys disturbing classes and challenging authority, I think I shall hold my tongue (cause. I was probably the worst offender for that. ever. )
Lucky you! Or unlucky me, though I'm willing to bet my school was not unusual.

[turkishproverb]

About all I can say on Sex-Ed I already said Here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12129378&postcount=139)

[Philemonite]

Hey, folks. Sorry for not hanging around much. I'm not doing that great emotionally, so if everyone could spend half a page or so saying nice things that would be great.

You are awesome, go you.:smallwink:

My PM box is opened if you want to talk.

[Iruka]

I did _not_ know that women could masturbate or take pleasure in sex! At all! I thought people only had sex cause they wanted to make babies or, heteronormatively, to please the man. I assumed lesbians just didn't bother.


I've heard something similar before from other people and, to be honest, asked myself: How does one not find out about masturbation and stuff from certain stimuli that happen in everyday life and how the body reacts to them? Like, dunno, you notice at some point that bumping your funny bone is extra painful.

[Thufir]

He's more likely to be an illuminati catmuffin.

It's the symbol of Boccob on the hat. This is a Bishopmuffin, I have a whole chess set of catmuffins.

[Irish Musician]

-snip-
Your carrot has little, green dangley bits and my brain is having a tough time moving past them, heh.

It's the symbol of Boccob on the hat. This is a Bishopmuffin, I have a whole chess set of catmuffins.

....................That's the best thing ever :smallbiggrin:

M

[NeroGrimm]

O. Eye sea. http://adamhumphrey.net/images/portfolio/eyeball_sea.jpg

[Iruka]

Your carrot has little, green dangley bits and my brain is having a tough time moving past them, heh.


You're not the first one, might have to change it ... :smallsigh:

[turkishproverb]

If on the chin, they'd be a goatee!

[Irish Musician]

You're not the first one, might have to change it ... :smallsigh:

No, no. The avatar is just funny to me, not insulting :smallsmile:

[Alad]

Lucky you! Or unlucky me, though I'm willing to bet my school was not unusual.
Yeah well, small classes. and they didn't really tell us much, our science teacher was frightfully embarrassed about the whole thing.
Although probably my favorite memory associated with that whole sorta thing, was in a personal and social education lesson when we were in year 8 (so age 13) A friend of mine just turned to the teacher and went
"Mrs barnard, what is the big deal about sex. I'd kinda like to know why its made out to be such a huge deal?"
Our teacher was in stitches about just being bluntly asked about this. and he was perfectly oblivious to the whole taboo, twas wonderful. I think she dodged the question in the end. ahh well.

[Absol197]

Hey, folks. Sorry for not hanging around much. I'm not doing that great emotionally, so if everyone could spend half a page or so saying nice things that would be great.

Also, my early experience with porn and masturbation mostly involved hating myself for looking at and doing them respectively. Thanks, parents!

*Hugs*

I don't know what's wrong, but I think you're awesome! I hope you feel better soon!


~Phoenix~

[ArlEammon]

I've heard something similar before from other people and, to be honest, asked myself: How does one not find out about masturbation and stuff from certain stimuli that happen in everyday life and how the body reacts to them? Like, dunno, you notice at some point that bumping your funny bone is extra painful.

To be honest, I"ve been doing the funny hand dance since I was eight years old. I don't understand how anyone could not do it.

[Irish Musician]

To be honest, I"ve been doing the funny hand dance since I was eight years old. I don't understand how anyone could not do it.

Funny. Hand. Dance.


I just spit up, once again, drink all over my desk. I hope you're happy with yourself :smallwink:

M

[Alad]

To be honest, I"ve been doing the funny hand dance since I was eight years old. I don't understand how anyone could not do it.

I never realized it was a thing. till my dad decided I should have hygine explained to me on the assumption I was. god was that ever awkward.

[ArlEammon]

Funny. Hand. Dance.


I just spit up, once again, drink all over my desk. I hope you're happy with yourself :smallwink:

M


Hehe. I am.

[Mystic Muse]

Ew, porn.
Not actually that big of a fan. Personally speaking, why watch when you can do?

Forgot to respond to this yesterday.

For me, it's because there's some stuff I'm into that I couldn't do in real life even if I tried. Not without extremely awful consequences anyway.

The other reason is, I'm in an LDR, so I couldn't have sex if I wanted to.

The last reason is, I have a policy against having sex until after I'm married.

So that's why I look at it.

[Irish Musician]

Forgot to respond to this yesterday.

For me, it's because there's some stuff I'm into that I couldn't do in real life even if I tried. Not without extremely awful consequences anyway.

The other reason is, I'm in an LDR, so I couldn't have sex if I wanted to.

The last reason is, I have a policy against having sex until after I'm married.

So that's why I look at it.

Principles.....respect. My wife and I didn't have sex until we were married either, so more power to ya! :smallsmile: By that I mean that we only had sex with each other. We had sex before marriage, but we both knew we were going to marry each other, so we went ahead and went for it.

M

[Mina Kobold]

Hey, folks. Sorry for not hanging around much. I'm not doing that great emotionally, so if everyone could spend half a page or so saying nice things that would be great.

No need to be sorry, you're quite awesome whether you sacrifice time on us or not. You even have a hat as a name! ^_^


You're not the first one, might have to change it ... :smallsigh:

I just see an adorable carrot, if that helps. Kind of having difficulty seeing the green as anything but the green bits at the end of carrots.

Which is a bit odd, as I think they remove those here before they get to the store, yet I am familiar with carrots having them. O_o


Yeah well, small classes. and they didn't really tell us much, our science teacher was frightfully embarrassed about the whole thing.
Although probably my favorite memory associated with that whole sorta thing, was in a personal and social education lesson when we were in year 8 (so age 13) A friend of mine just turned to the teacher and went
"Mrs barnard, what is the big deal about sex. I'd kinda like to know why its made out to be such a huge deal?"
Our teacher was in stitches about just being bluntly asked about this. and he was perfectly oblivious to the whole taboo, twas wonderful. I think she dodged the question in the end. ahh well.

I guess the relatively small taboo in Denmark might explain it, but our teachers were perfectly casual about it. Remember the first one who talked to us about it (I think before age 10, but my memory is terrible at proper continuity) actually using herself as an example of someone who appreciated condoms with flavour.

It was unfortunately very cisheteronormative. Later classes explained a bit about some variations in the appearance of genitalia and hymens, but no mention was made of intersex people and only once were anything but one man and one woman having sex mentioned. >_<

[Iruka]

To be honest, I"ve been doing the funny hand dance since I was eight years old. I don't understand how anyone could not do it.

hehe.

This makes me want to start listing funny euphemisms but this forum and especially this thread are not the right place for that. Getting pretty off topic anyway ...

[Mystic Muse]

Principles.....respect. My wife and I didn't have sex until we were married either, so more power to ya! :smallsmile: By that I mean that we only had sex with each other. We had sex before marriage, but we both knew we were going to marry each other, so we went ahead and went for it.

M

If I knew I was going to marry my girlfriend, I'd probably have sex too. That's why when I play in RPs, my characters with a similar rule are willing to forgo it if marriage is a foregone conclusion. Life is usually not so certain though, so I'd be hesitant even then.

[Coidzor]

I've heard something similar before from other people and, to be honest, asked myself: How does one not find out about masturbation and stuff from certain stimuli that happen in everyday life and how the body reacts to them? Like, dunno, you notice at some point that bumping your funny bone is extra painful.

One thing I recall is that apparently since babies, toddlers, and small children will just... *shudder* play with themselves, especially while in public, many parents have and continue to overreact and traumatize the impressionable youth. Then through the magic of human memory, memories from before the age of 3 are no longer able to be recalled by the conscious self but the damage can still linger on.

It's apparently super-common for women from what I've heard, and has been put forth as one of the many reasons why there's a masturbation gap between men and women, especially earlier in life.

Granted, just mentioning that it happens feels super wrong and makes me feel self-conscious and vulnerable, so I can sympathize with the consternation and panic that it can inspire in parents and I don't even believe masturbation is taboo in and of itself. Especially now that we're hyper-conscious about pedophilia even though we still don't actually do much at all to actually protect children. :smallsigh:


It's the symbol of Boccob on the hat. This is a Bishopmuffin, I have a whole chess set of catmuffins.

Sweet. :smallbiggrin:

[Irish Musician]

If I knew I was going to marry my girlfriend, I'd probably have sex too. That's why when I play in RPs, my characters with a similar rule are willing to forgo it if marriage is a foregone conclusion. Life is usually not so certain though, so I'd be hesitant even then.
You are very correct, life isn't certain very often. But this time, I just knew. But don't every let anyone make you feel awkward about it. People tried to make me feel awkward about it growing up, sometimes. Looking back at it I realize how dumb it is for people to actually care about things like that. But you live and learn :smallsmile:

M

[Astrella]

I went shopping with my friend who was staying over on Monday, and I got some nice women's jeans, which are essentially the first women's clothing I've bought in a physical store and they fit really well. :smallsmile:

Also got a cute new wallet.

[Jormengand]

I went shopping with my friend who was staying over on Monday, and I got some nice women's jeans, which are essentially the first women's clothing I've bought in a physical store and they fit really well. :smallsmile:

Also got a cute new wallet.

Wooo!

Pics! We must have pics!

[Mystic Muse]

You are very correct, life isn't certain very often. But this time, I just knew. But don't every let anyone make you feel awkward about it. People tried to make me feel awkward about it growing up, sometimes. Looking back at it I realize how dumb it is for people to actually care about things like that. But you live and learn :smallsmile:

M

Yeah. I'd find it funny how obsessed people are with sex on shows like Friends if it weren't just so friggin' sad. Somebody hasn't had sex in a couple months. There are worse tragedies in life. :smallannoyed:

[Irish Musician]

I went shopping with my friend who was staying over on Monday, and I got some nice women's jeans, which are essentially the first women's clothing I've bought in a physical store and they fit really well. :smallsmile:

Also got a cute new wallet.

Well.....of course we will have to see how good these wonderful new jeans look! Also, congrats :smallbiggrin:


Yeah. I'd find it funny how obsessed people are with sex on shows like Friends if it weren't just so friggin' sad. Somebody hasn't had sex in a couple months. There are worse tragedies in life. :smallannoyed:
Yeah, a whole TWO MONTHS!!! AAARRRRRGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!

Ridiculous. :smallsigh:

M

[Coidzor]

I went shopping with my friend who was staying over on Monday, and I got some nice women's jeans, which are essentially the first women's clothing I've bought in a physical store and they fit really well. :smallsmile:

Also got a cute new wallet.

Nice. Always good to find ones that fit really well, especially given the relative rarity for most people. :smallsmile:

What sorta cute wallet is this?


Yeah, a whole TWO MONTHS!!! AAARRRRRGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!

Ridiculous. :smallsigh:

The talk, the sex, somebody to trust... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9G7asZsNic&feature=kp)

[Eldest]

I went shopping with my friend who was staying over on Monday, and I got some nice women's jeans, which are essentially the first women's clothing I've bought in a physical store and they fit really well. :smallsmile:

Also got a cute new wallet.

We demand a shrubbery pictures!


Well.....of course we will have to see how good these wonderful new jeans look! Also, congrats :smallbiggrin:


Yeah, a whole TWO MONTHS!!! AAARRRRRGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!

Ridiculous. :smallsigh:

M

I have, no joke, heard somebody genuinely complaining about not having had sex for a week. This was in the middle of a conversation with a friend about why she turned down what essentially was a free hookup that fell into her lap in spite of wanting sex and not having had it for a long, long time.

She spent the next five minutes being hopping mad at the universe after that.

[Mina Kobold]

I went shopping with my friend who was staying over on Monday, and I got some nice women's jeans, which are essentially the first women's clothing I've bought in a physical store and they fit really well. :smallsmile:

Also got a cute new wallet.

Congrats! Sounds like a great experience! ^_^

And yay for new wallets!


Yeah. I'd find it funny how obsessed people are with sex on shows like Friends if it weren't just so friggin' sad. Somebody hasn't had sex in a couple months. There are worse tragedies in life. :smallannoyed:

That show really had a weird view of how everything worked. Though I was too annoyed by Ross being a terrible carricature of a scientist to pay attention. As well as the fact that it seemed that the only reason they had anyone GRSM in the show was to make a joke about Ross. Really not a show that's good at being open and diverse. >_<

[Coidzor]

I have, no joke, heard somebody genuinely complaining about not having had sex for a week. This was in the middle of a conversation with a friend about why she turned down what essentially was a free hookup that fell into her lap in spite of wanting sex and not having had it for a long, long time.

She spent the next five minutes being hopping mad at the universe after that.

It is pretty frustrating to only have offers on the table from people that one wouldn't shtup with someone else's genitalia. Definitely pretty new to complain about not having sex for a week though, unless it was a symptom of a greater problem in an established relationship or something. :smallconfused:

[Mystic Muse]

It is pretty frustrating to only have offers on the table from people that one wouldn't shtup with someone else's genitalia. Definitely pretty new to complain about not having sex for a week though, unless it was a symptom of a greater problem in an established relationship or something. :smallconfused:

The person also could have been a sex addict. Which is not something I would EVER want to be addicted to. I mean, just yuck.

[ArlEammon]

The person also could have been a sex addict. Which is not something I would EVER want to be addicted to. I mean, just yuck.

Yeah. Diseases of the STD variety are very unfortunate to have.

[Coidzor]

...

Good night everybody!

[Irish Musician]

The talk, the sex, somebody to trust... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9G7asZsNic&feature=kp)
Heh, good 'ol Steely Dan

We demand a shrubbery pictures!

I have, no joke, heard somebody genuinely complaining about not having had sex for a week. This was in the middle of a conversation with a friend about why she turned down what essentially was a free hookup that fell into her lap in spite of wanting sex and not having had it for a long, long time.

She spent the next five minutes being hopping mad at the universe after that.
One that looks nice.....and that's not too expensive Yeah that is ridiculous for them to be so crazy about how long it has been. Sure, if it has been a while I get a little antsy, but hey that is why there is the.....how was it put.....funny hand dance :smallamused:



On another note and for something completely different, this (http://www.womenyoushouldknow.net/little-girl-1981-lego-ad-grown-shes-got-something-say/) article just popped up in my FB feed and I thought it was a great read. Has to do with the fact that Legos are very much gender specific now, whereas in the past they were very gender neutral. And how we need to get back to that gender neutrality in children and let them be what they want to be, and what society wants to force them to be.

M

[NeroGrimm]

Forgot to respond to this yesterday.

For me, it's because there's some stuff I'm into that I couldn't do in real life even if I tried. Not without extremely awful consequences anyway.

The other reason is, I'm in an LDR, so I couldn't have sex if I wanted to.

The last reason is, I have a policy against having sex until after I'm married.

So that's why I look at it.

Understandable. I get it. I just don't like porn, so I don't watch it.
Plus the funny hand dances I do are all with my imagination...
But anywhosle, I've had a pretty good day today. How have all of your respective days been?

[ArlEammon]

If anyone would like to talk in PM right now. . . I've got some questions and want to talk.

[Jormengand]

If anyone would like to talk in PM right now. . . I've got some questions and want to talk.

I'll listen, even if I have no good answers.

[Philemonite]

Understandable. I get it. I just don't like porn, so I don't watch it.
Plus the funny hand dances I do are all with my imagination...
But anywhosle, I've had a pretty good day today. How have all of your respective days been?

In spite of the fact that I got dumped because of a trivial matter, quite good.


If anyone would like to talk in PM right now. . . I've got some questions and want to talk.

I can listen, but I'm not sure I have the answers.

[Irish Musician]

If anyone would like to talk in PM right now. . . I've got some questions and want to talk.

I can listen as well, if you need it. :smallsmile:

M

[noparlpf]

Ugh, another horribly transphobic episode of NCIS.

[Mina Kobold]

But anywhosle, I've had a pretty good day today. How have all of your respective days been?

Long, but without too much negative happening.

Also, apparently the group I'll be in for the semester is the designated gay group among our year's students. Definitively a step up from last semester (they godwinned themselves and it was accurate... >_<), though I'm a bit sad that there are so few out GRSM peeps here that one or two is enough to get a group that designation. Stupid society making people all closeted or non-allied. v_v

EDITSES:


Ugh, another horribly transphobic episode of NCIS.

I'm quite certain by this point that I don't want to watch NCIS. Ever. Twelve times ever.

[Absol197]

Ugh, another horribly transphobic episode of NCIS.

I'm sure I probably don't want to know, but what happened?

[noparlpf]

I'm sure I probably don't want to know, but what happened?

This time the trans character was a victim, not the criminal. Committed suicide and after several incorrect pronouns, transphobic jokes, and a slur or two, she was promptly forgotten for the rest of the episode.

[Proud Tortoise]

A thought-provoking article about pedophilia... http://forum.deviantart.com/community/philosophy/1943089/
which made me rethink my own views.


Hey, folks. Sorry for not hanging around much. I'm not doing that great emotionally, so if everyone could spend half a page or so saying nice things that would be great.

Here, you can have part of my soul.


To be honest, I"ve been doing the funny hand dance since I was eight years old. I don't understand how anyone could not do it.

I don't think most people masturbate in the same way I do. (Showers and tissues are associated with masturbation? What the hell?) As for age, I think I was thirteen or so. And regarding porn, I don't really watch it... I have a good imagination.


I have, no joke, heard somebody genuinely complaining about not having had sex for a week.

0_0 And they (teh moronz) say female sexuality isn't a thing.

[Miriel]

Remember the wonderful new law that allows name change for trans people without publications (i.e. without paying twice my monthly food budget), and gender change without surgery?

Well, won't be applied until July. So I'll probably have to pay for the publications if I don't want my current legal name on my college diploma. :smallfrown:

Oh, and trans* rights group is doing well. We're starting a petition on Monday! Our Facebook page has 50 likes already, too.


I went shopping with my friend who was staying over on Monday, and I got some nice women's jeans, which are essentially the first women's clothing I've bought in a physical store and they fit really well. :smallsmile:

Also got a cute new wallet.
Great! :smallsmile:

And I second J's request. Pics.

[Eirala]

I think it started to happen when I got into filmmaking and realized that the acting was terrible, and just about everything in porn is terrible.

I half agree, depending on the porn you're referring to. If you look at mainstream porn movies i completely agree, my opinion of those is as low as it can get and i wouldn't watch almost all of them if there was no other porn left. But there are other forms of porn like amateur porn, where the acting can hardly be criticized as (almost) nothing is acted, but instead real.



A thought-provoking article about pedophilia... http://forum.deviantart.com/community/philosophy/1943089/
which made me rethink my own views.

I agree pretty much all the way.

One should add how most children are actually not molested by pedophiles so it's actually a pretty bad argument to say you want to punish pedophiles in advance to protect the children even if you ignore for one moment how you're punishing innocent people for what they might or might not do.

[Proud Tortoise]

Cake metaphor for gay marriage: http://www.upworthy.com/the-gay-marriage-joke-that-instantly-made-this-guy-one-of-my-favorite-comedians-10?c=ufb1


I agree pretty much all the way.

One should add how most children are actually not molested by pedophiles so it's actually a pretty bad argument to say you want to punish pedophiles in advance to protect the children even if you ignore for one moment how you're punishing innocent people for what they might or might not do.

Even though the Catholic Church remains against homosexuality, they have now specifically stated that it's okay if it's not acted upon. Similar thing.

[Eirala]

Even though the Catholic Church remains against homosexuality, they have now specifically stated that it's okay if it's not acted upon. Similar thing.

I currently don't see how this is related and how you meant it. Could you please elaborate on that?

[Eldest]

A thought-provoking article about pedophilia... http://forum.deviantart.com/community/philosophy/1943089/
which made me rethink my own views.

I'd agree with not punishing somebody for their thoughts. And I seem to remember learning from somewhere that most child molestation is not by pedophiles, but by people who enjoy the feeling of power that rape would bring. Those people, I disapprove of, to put it mildly.

[Delusion]

So I looked on my reflection after shower while donning a bathrobe, and for perhaps the first time in my life, I felt like my naked body was sexy.

Even if the feeling only lasted for moment and I still have things I need to change in my body, like that thing between my legs, it still made me happy.

[Proud Tortoise]

I currently don't see how this is related and how you meant it. Could you please elaborate on that?

Well, even the Catholic Church, which has always been violently opposed to homosexuality, is willing to admit that actions, not thoughts, are the problem. So why can't we admit the same in regards to pedophiles?

This conversation makes me think of 1984 thoughtcrime.



So I looked on my reflection after shower while donning a bathrobe, and for perhaps the first time in my life, I felt like my naked body was sexy.

Even if the feeling only lasted for moment and I still have things I need to change in my body, like that thing between my legs, it still made me happy.



Hooray!

[Mutant Sheep]

Well, even the Catholic Church, which has always been violently opposed to homosexuality, is willing to admit that actions, not thoughts, are the problem. So why can't we admit the same in regards to pedophiles?

This conversation makes me think of 1984 thoughtcrime.



Hooray!I'm just going to recommend that this particular portion of the topic not be in the thread, to avoid any possible 'fractions on religion. (Also, I think they'd probably prefer a different word than "violent". xD. "Virulent"?:smalltongue:)

Me as well. But like many things I read in this thread, I have never come across one of the positions being talked about. :smallconfused: Do people actually say that, or is it just an Internet thing?:smalleek:

I will throw in my "Yay!:smallsmile:"'s as well. Wonderful news.

[Karen Lynn]

Hihi. Just popping back in to spread some news. I'm scheduled for Electrolysis appt on the 17th, and hormones on the 24th.

[Coidzor]

I don't think most people masturbate in the same way I do. (Showers and tissues are associated with masturbation? What the hell?) As for age, I think I was thirteen or so. And regarding porn, I don't really watch it... I have a good imagination.

Just as long as you've got the right kind of drain and don't clog it. *shudder*



So I looked on my reflection after shower while donning a bathrobe, and for perhaps the first time in my life, I felt like my naked body was sexy.

Even if the feeling only lasted for moment and I still have things I need to change in my body, like that thing between my legs, it still made me happy.



Glad to hear it.