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Doshi
2007-01-24, 11:59 PM
I suspect that this revelation (assuming they heard it all) may be even more tramatic for Hinjo than for Miko. Hinjo and Miko have probably just learned that Shojo and the OotS have been conspiring together, and that Shojo in particular has been lying to them for years. Miko has already learned to distrust the OotS, so it's primarily the revelation that Shojo has been lying that will shock her. But while she was loyal to Shojo as the leader of the Paladins, she was never particularly close to him. For her, the betrayal is not quite as personal as it is in Hinjo's case.
Hinjo, by contrast, must deal with the revelation that his own Uncle, the man he is training to one day replace as leader, has been deceiving him for years. And the fact that he liked and apparently respected Roy, who has also been revealed as a deceitful liar, with only conpound his feelings of betrayal.

Reading these threads, I've seen that many people expect that Hinjo is likely to be more 'reasonable' about this than Miko. But what is Hinjo really supposed to believe now? If he confronts his Uncle, and demands an explanation, how can he know for sure, after hearing so many lies in the past, that his Uncle is now telling him the truth? Hinjo does not know why his Uncle and the OotS have been conspiring together. Given that he knows that Xykon's army is almost at the city gates, he has to wonder, "Are my Uncle Shojo and the OotS conspiring with Xykon?"
Now that he knows the depths of Lord Shojo's deceit, how can Hinjo possibly afford to trust him to make the decisions that must be made to defend against Xykon? I think it very likely that Hinjo will demand that Shojo step down as leader, at least until after the Xykon crisis has ended, and Shojo's actions fully investigated. Unless Roy can prove to him that the OotS is not in league with Xykon, he's also likely to demand that the Oots be locked up again, and retried for their crimes. If Hinjo discovers any evidence linking Elan to the destruction of the city defences, he is sure to conclude that the OotS are working for Xykon.

Paperfury
2007-01-25, 02:23 AM
Hinjo knows Xykon is coming to Azure City? Since when? Considering that no one else there does, except for Miko.

ElfLad
2007-01-25, 02:26 AM
Yeah, Hinjo was walking with Miko because he enjoys her company. I see no reason why Miko wouldn't have told him.

Demented
2007-01-25, 04:03 AM
"enjoys her company" *snicker*

Still, I doubt he lacks faith in her abilities, and he seems more passive than aggressive....

Setra
2007-01-25, 05:01 AM
Off Topic: Speaking of Passive and Aggressive, how the heck can you be Passive-Aggressive?

On Topic: Hinjo is a strong person, I think he will somehow make due with the situation, though now I keep wondering. Such a huge cliffhanger, this was worse than 392.

Demented
2007-01-25, 05:46 AM
OfT: Doing things that are aggressive, but not confrontational. Like land mines. Though it's used more often to describe what should really be called "passive-irritative".

OnT: But not quite as good as 393.

Hel65
2007-01-25, 05:53 AM
OP nails it right on the head. Hinjo has very little information that could allow him a chance to set things straight and Miko may convince him that they're all evil without much effort.

Mawhrin Skel
2007-01-25, 08:09 AM
I'd just like to point out that Hinjo and Miko still both have Detect Evil. Miko was eager to use it to confirm Belkar's alignment when fighting him, so I expect them to be used before any confrontation with Shojo and Roy.

However, Roy is wearing Xykon's crown, and Hinjo likely doesn't know that that will cause a false reading. Oh dear.

I see no reason why Shojo would Detect as Evil.

Amon Star
2007-01-25, 09:17 AM
Yeah, Hinjo was walking with Miko because he enjoys her company. I see no reason why Miko wouldn't have told him.

As funny as your quips are, sarcasm is the lowest form of humour.

That why I like it. Keep up the good work. :biggrin:

EDIT: Another 3 :miko: signitures in a row. Another thread owned by the Fan Club!

Setra
2007-01-25, 09:27 AM
As funny as your quips are, sarcasm is puns are the lowest form of humour.

Fixed! :smalltongue:

SteveMB
2007-01-25, 09:35 AM
Hinjo knows Xykon is coming to Azure City? Since when? Considering that no one else there does, except for Miko.
We don't know if Miko met Hinjo just now (in which case he doesn't know) or if they met earlier and Hinjo accompanied her to see Shojo (in which case she probably told him the situation on the way).

TigerHunter
2007-01-25, 09:38 AM
Either Hinjo, Shojo or both will not leave that room alive. We've grown to like Hinjo alot, and Shojo is an extremely important character--either of their deaths have extremely high drama value.

Dalenthas
2007-01-25, 02:00 PM
Remember at the end of the last comic that Hinjo was headed towards the gates. So it is likely that he was there when Miko arrived and escorted her back to the castle.

I think he'll side with his uncle over Miko, after a brief explanation.

Green Bean
2007-01-25, 02:14 PM
I find it interesting that Hinjo looks more shocked than Miko. I mean, she doesn't even look particularily angry.

Khantalas
2007-01-25, 02:20 PM
Well, they certainly aren't evil, as a Detect Evil without the crown will reveal.

But do they have to be evil to lie to them and deceive them and go against a sacred vow? Especially since Shojo is believed to be loyal to the vows of paladins?

Callos_DeTerran
2007-01-25, 02:54 PM
I think Hijo will be surpised and maybe a bit angry about having the wool pulled over his eyes like this, but I doubt he'll actually attack Shojo or anything of that nature. He's more loose and open then Miko is. Actually he may take this as a sign he can choose whatever class he wants and not stick to paladin.

teratorn
2007-01-25, 04:00 PM
Hinjo's goatee will start shinning and making evil hissing sounds. His eyes will flash and then he will start cleaning whatever came out from Mr Scruffy's butt.

skinkatlarge
2007-01-25, 05:26 PM
Oh, CRAP. The crown! I'd forgotten all about that. Crap crap crap crap crap!

I was going to point out that we aren't absolutely sure that Shojo's heir, Hinjo, doesn't already know that Shojo has been faking senility... but now I'm thinking that having the only two members of the OOTS who detect as evil being the only ones in the room is probably not a coincidence. Crap!

phobiandarkmoon
2007-01-25, 05:49 PM
Regarding the off-topic question on passive-aggressive above:

Passive-aggressive personality disorder (also called negativistic personality disorder) is a controversial personality disorder said to be marked by a pervasive pattern of negative attitudes and passive resistance in interpersonal or occupational situations.

I refer you for further reading to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive-aggressive

Wikipedia, for a mostly accurate answer to almost all of your questions

Green Bean
2007-01-25, 05:51 PM
Oh, CRAP. The crown! I'd forgotten all about that. Crap crap crap crap crap!

I was going to point out that we aren't absolutely sure that Shojo's heir, Hinjo, doesn't already know that Shojo has been faking senility... but now I'm thinking that having the only two members of the OOTS who detect as evil being the only ones in the room is probably not a coincidence. Crap!

Holy cow! How didn't I see that!?! :smalleek:

Mr. Burlew, you are a genius!

Khantalas
2007-01-26, 07:43 AM
Holy cow! How didn't I see that!?! :smalleek:

Mr. Burlew, you are a genius!

But remember, Belkar has a contingent lead sheet that protects him from alignment detecting spells.

He also has the lawyers on his side.

Setra
2007-01-26, 08:32 AM
But remember, Belkar has a contingent lead sheet that protects him from alignment detecting spells.

He also has the lawyers on his side.

What if he wasn't expecting to be Detect Evil'd, and doesn't have the lead sheet at the moment?

Also, only Miko cannot use Detect Evil on Belkar, according to the lawsuit anyways.

The honest illusionist
2007-01-26, 09:15 AM
Roy can always take the crown off and I seriously doubt that Shojo is evil. At worst Shojo is chaotic neutral.

Belkar on the other hand is quick enough with the lead sheet even off guard. I doubt the Giant would ruin the running gag of not openly revealing Belkar's Chaotic Evilness just yet.

Setra
2007-01-26, 09:17 AM
Roy can always take the crown off and I seriously doubt that Shojo is evil. At worst Shojo is chaotic neutral.

Belkar on the other hand is quick enough with the lead sheet even off guard. I doubt the Giant would ruin the running gag of not openly revealing Belkar's Chaotic Evilness just yet.

I for one hope he finally does prove Belkar as evil, just so people will shaddap about it already.

The honest illusionist
2007-01-26, 09:26 AM
I disagree. I think it's funny that everyone knows that Belkar is evil, yet no one can prove it. If Belkar's alignment was 'revealed' it would be like V revealing h(is/er) gender.

That would then cause the universe to implode.

Wait a second... 'I am a (boy/girl)' is four words....

Setra
2007-01-26, 09:28 AM
I disagree. I think it's funny that everyone knows that Belkar is evil, yet no one can prove it. If Belkar's alignment was 'revealed' it would be like V revealing h(is/er) gender.

That would then cause the universe to implode.

Wait a second... 'I am a (boy/girl)' is four words....

Last I checked you can prove it from one of the early strips (Something about Unholy Blight?).

Also, yes it is four words, and has been speculated about fourty times in recent memory.

The honest illusionist
2007-01-26, 09:34 AM
Forgot the Unholy Blight. Still the characters disregarded that event, so it doesn't really count as it being openly revealed. Well, it was openly revealed, but it was sort if ignored...

As for the spoiler text, I wasn't being serious. The Giant is more clever than that.

Also, in the early strips I believe V was intended to be male.

Setra
2007-01-26, 09:52 AM
As for the spoiler text, I wasn't being serious. The Giant is more clever than that.

Also, in the early strips I believe V was intended to be male.

I rolled a 1 on my Sarcasm Check :smalltongue:

I agree on both points though.

More on topic, I hope Hinjo is alive when this is all over.

Amon Star
2007-01-26, 12:25 PM
Fixed! :smalltongue:

Hey! I like Puns! I think they're the punniest form of homour. :smalltongue:

Green Bean
2007-01-26, 12:45 PM
What if he wasn't expecting to be Detect Evil'd, and doesn't have the lead sheet at the moment?

Also, only Miko cannot use Detect Evil on Belkar, according to the lawsuit anyways.

Miko can't use Detect Evil in the Kingdom of Somewhere. She's in Azure City now. She is the law :smallbiggrin:

Grod_The_Giant
2007-01-26, 12:59 PM
I find it interesting that Hinjo looks more shocked than Miko. I mean, she doesn't even look particularily angry.

Miko was already sure that the OOTS was working with Xykon

Green Bean
2007-01-26, 01:44 PM
Miko was already sure that the OOTS was working with Xykon

Of course, but she didn't know that Shojo was working with the OotS

Setra
2007-01-26, 02:55 PM
Miko can't use Detect Evil in the Kingdom of Somewhere. She's in Azure City now. She is the law :smallbiggrin:

Oh yeah I had forgotten about that.