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ZamielVanWeber
2014-01-25, 06:15 PM
Hey, so it looks like decent gish material (aside from the monstrous +4 LA) and explicitly stack with sorcerer casting, so you can just tag a level and try to PrC out, but how good would they be?
OldTrees1
2014-01-25, 06:36 PM
8RHD, +4LA, Casts as a 6th level Sorcerer.

Yeah ECL 12 for Sorcerer 6? So worth it!
KillianHawkeye
2014-01-25, 07:06 PM
But at least they look cool! :smallamused:
OldTrees1
2014-01-25, 07:10 PM
But at least they look cool! :smallamused:

Just like all Draconic(Red Dragon) _Insert Race_ Sorcerers do right?
KillianHawkeye
2014-01-25, 07:14 PM
Just like all Draconic(Red Dragon) _Insert Race_ Sorcerers do right?

Of course! :smallbiggrin:
ZamielVanWeber
2014-01-25, 07:22 PM
But at least they look cool! :smallamused:

I am curious how to make them unterrible while looking awesome at the time.
OldTrees1
2014-01-25, 07:31 PM
I am curious how to make them unterrible while looking awesome at the time.

Have you ever had an interesting monster that WotC nerfed the ECL to unreasonable heights?
Try Giants in the Playground homebrew:
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13025879&postcount=2

Other Good monster classes: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192151
ZamielVanWeber
2014-01-25, 07:34 PM
I have never played an Arcaniss, so I was not sure how ugly that +4 is here. The Sharn's +5 is rather reasonable.
OldTrees1
2014-01-25, 07:38 PM
I have never played an Arcaniss, so I was not sure how ugly that +4 is here. The Sharn's +5 is rather reasonable.

It has 8HD, is spec'd as a Sorcerer and only casts as a 6th level Sorcerer. So that is 2 levels behind.

It has +4 LA so that is a total of 6 levels behind.

In exchange you get:
+2 cl for some spells
Heal a tiny amount when casting some spells

That wouldn't even justify being 1 level behind.
Urpriest
2014-01-25, 09:15 PM
Yeah, the Sharn casts at a higher level, and more to the point has some crazy stacking language and ignores components and other stupid things IIRC. This is just a monster with casting, and if that's what you're after there are much more sensibly LA-d options. Wyrmling Steel Dragons and the Gloura are nice.
ZamielVanWeber
2014-01-25, 09:19 PM
I like trying out a variety of monster races, some just because of Rule of Cool. Arcaniss is a bit trickier to try to avoid not being terrible, so I was seeing if there were any tricks to help.