Why isn't their an optimization trick list?

[StrangeLooper]

I've spent some time searching for a list of good optimization tricks (not as game breaking as pun-pun but still cheap tricks, like diplomacy, the hulking hurler, and such). Why hasn't there been a thread compiling them? Are there simply too many or am I failing to find the thread?

[roguemetal]

This (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=258580) what you're looking for?

Little old, but it covers a number of them.

[HunterOfJello]

There are a lot of them and there were even more, but boards other than GitP that had them on there were taken down.

[StrangeLooper]

Are there any going currently?

[Firechanter]

There is a "Guide to Practical Optimization" on this board, have a look. Beyond that, there are specific Guides and Handbooks for pretty much any class.
Best resources imho are this board here and Minmaxboards.

[nedz]

It's quite a huge field because it depends upon what you are trying to do.

There's a handbook index here (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=399.0), which may be useful.

[Psyren]

What nedz said. Most of the tricks are class/build-specific, and so you'll find them in the individual handbook(s) for that class rather than just in a general pile somewhere.

For example, most of the techniques that let you trick out a rogue won't be applicable to a cleric or barbarian.

[TypoNinja]

What nedz said. Most of the tricks are class/build-specific, and so you'll find them in the individual handbook(s) for that class rather than just in a general pile somewhere.

For example, most of the techniques that let you trick out a rogue won't be applicable to a cleric or barbarian.

Yea but there are some general tricks and rules of thumb to get you thinking in the right direction.

Things like Precocious Apprentice for early entry tricks on a variety of things.

Trying to avoid bonuses that won't scale for your feats.

Non-stealth melee really really wants to be Large if at all feasible.

Crowd control and debuffs don't seem like it at a glance, are actually far far more effective than blasting with a spellcaster.

If you are a Druid take Natural Spell or you are probably doing it wrong.

Archery takes a lot of effort to be effective. Scout, Rogue, Ranger, whatever. Get Splitting. Consider SwiftHunter.

Sword and Board is inferior to THF. Power attack is better than it seems, don't be put off by the accuracy penalty, the kind of character that uses power attack only misses on low single digit rolls anyway, also Shocktrooper.

TWF is only worth the effort if you have a source of good bonus damage per hit. Like Sneak Attack, or Skirmish.

Lesser Vigor is a far more effective after combat heal than Cure Light Wounds. 11hp vs 1d8+1hp. Really specific tip here, but I've had to tell so many people this one.

Chronocharms are amazing. They are cheap, their effects are minor but useful, and you are allowed to wear all of them in one magic item slot.

[Psyren]

Even so, I don't see much value in searching through myriad handbooks to compile a grabbag of this kind. It would amount to a disjointed alphabet soup of unfocused advice.

That energy is much better devoted to single handbooks, and then directing folks interested in those classes toward them.

[Irk]

There were the "dirty tricks" threads created by LordofProcrastination. Here (http://dictummortuum.blogspot.com/2011/12/lordofprocrastinations-dirty-tricks.html) is one of them saved by DictuumMortuum.

[nedz]

The old World Record thread is here (http://community.wizards.com/forum/previous-editions-character-optimization/threads/930391). Most of the links are dead so you'd have to google them and most probably through the wayback machine. Also some of them have been beaten.

I'm pretty sure someone broke the feats record with a Dark Chaos Shuffle, and this (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=146.0) beats the number of attacks in one round.

[EugeneVoid]

Person Man has got some great Melee optimization topics.

[CyberThread]

to be fair, I use to nollie grind , into a kickflip, ollie.


You could do the foundry forever until you got bored. Tony hawk 3 was the best for optimizations.

[137beth]

Well, if they ever fix the search function on GitP, then you'd be able to simply click "see all posts by this user" on Tippy's profile.
Until then, take a look here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222007).

Also,

This (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=258580) what you're looking for?

Little old, but it covers a number of them.
Dang, I went there, then clicked on the link to Zeal's commoner, and then his revision to SKR's feat point idea (from his signature)...
and then I accidentally clicked on the link back to SKR's original scoring of each feat. I'd seen it before, but I forgot just how silly it was.
Apparently, SKR thought that Leadership is weaker than weapon focus due to being a non-scaling, situational bonus:smallconfused:
Totally unrelated to the question of compiling optimization methods, true, but such is the nature of randomly clicking on links in a forum.