Portable Puzzle and Dragons 3: You always need one more Dub-Myth [Archive]

Starwulf

2014-02-13, 02:35 AM

I'm copying/pasting the intro from the last thread, as it more then serves it's purpose! Here is a link to our last thread: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=322708&page=50 It contains much useful advice, it's definitely worth reading over if you have the time.

If anyone has any idea on things that should be added to the OP, please let me know, and I'll do my best to get right on it! To those who aren't listed below, please(as I also mention down below) add your ID # and your primary leaders in your first post, and I'll add them. We've gained a LOT of people since the 2nd thread initially started, so I know I"ll have a lot of editing to do as times goes on :)

This is a thread for GitP players of Puzzle and Dragons!

Why Puzzle and Dragons? Well, it's a ... "free" ... game that runs on Android and iOS. It might not seem much - it's a match-three game with monsters - but it's rather shockingly deep and complex with a crack-laden infusion of Pokemon, Magic: The Gathering, and a crazy long game where you get a sense of progression stretching out over months or years. What's more, the game keeps throwing free magic stones (the in-game currency) at you. Yes, you can buy more - I know I have - but there's good advice to help you spend them smartly.

If you are confused because this phone game is hard and complicated, go here: pad.wikia.com/wiki/ Actually, even if you think you understand it intuitively, go there anyway. Obryn helps with this site, and he/they try to keep it active! Read that first, no matter what. Follow the advice on choosing a good starter and you're halfway there.

The best advice, though? Spend your stones wisely - on box space and on REM pulls during GODFESTS. DO NOT PULL THE REM OUTSIDE OF GODFESTS. REALLY, REALLY DON'T. Also, your Friends are very, very important. The Friend slot is the second most important, and you need to build a good stable of compatible gods for your leads. See below for help, here.

Need more help? Check the Tips and Game info headings on the wikia. There's so much good stuff on there it's hard to describe.

http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Valuable_Monsters and http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Feeding_Monsters are great. So is this kind of: http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Team_Composition

Let us pimp your ride! We've been playing for a while, and you should try to add us first.

The GitP ID list:

Obryn 357,549,260 - Ra, Freyr, Loki, Gabriel, Kirin, etc.

Starwulf 319,762,282 - Green Odin(Fully awoken), Horus, ADK-Z, CDK-V, L.Meta(Fully awoken), DD Bats, Idunn&Idunna, Noble Wolf King Hero, CuChlu

SiuiS 307,676,270 - Parvati, D/D Batman, ADK-Z, Byakko/Haku

Levictus 367,459,299 - F/L Horus (max awaken), SoD Luci, Red Sonia (2x awakening), ADK-Z for farming.

Erloas 325,699,229 - Horus, GrOdin

Loreas(erloas 2nd): 395-991-230 leaders are Karin Cu Chu, and Artemis

Tyckspoon 305,397,237 - Freyr, D/D Batman, Horus, Karin, L/D Venus

Jasmine: 301,790,222 - Horus, Lucifer (descends), Blue Noel (super kings), working on Valk, Goemon

DiegoHavoc: DiegoHavoc 376,879,256 - Byakko/Haku, Lucifer, Horus, Sundragon Sol Pterados (For RK on Tuesdays), Robin (Weekend dungeon)

Aramul: 380.397.272 - Genbu/Meimei, ADK-Z, DL Vamp

eric(Aramul) 314.795.270 - Byakko/Haku, DL Vamp, Awoken GrOdin

Kauai 364,995,253 Byakku, Persephone, Pompompurin, Strawberry Dragon

Blade 7: My friend ID: 387 372 268 Main lead: D/D Batman Other leads D/W Batman Kushinada D/D Yomi D/W Vampire

Marade: F/L Horus

Julajimus: 386,096,292

Firedaemon33: 390,807,310 Baal, Dark Dragon Knight

Winterfate: 367,402,301 Haku

Celesyne: 375,280,271 FireDragon Grand Tyrannos, Horus, Enchantress of the Sea Siren, GrOdin, Goddess of the Rice Fields, Kushinada, ADK

For the others, just post your ID # in your first post for this thread. as well as your primary leaders, and I'll add it to the OP.

Other good resources include the PAD Global Facebook Page and the PAD Forum. Members of the first tend to add a @PG to their names; the second add @PF. Getting the right Friends matters a lot; those pages can help.

Starwulf

2014-02-13, 02:54 AM

@Starwulf
Yellow drops go to original valk...do you have her? Still, really terrible luck. Hope it gets better this event!

Cross-quoting this from the other thread. ya know, I thought I had misread the Yellow drops thing, I remember now I fed them to my Dark Valk for some reason thinking they would skill her up. It's moot though, as after looking at the Poring Tower dungeon page on the PAD wikia, I remember I threw all my Big Flamies I got to my Gigas. I have no intention on leveling him up and evolving him anytime soon, I have far more pressing concerns, but the Big Flamies I fed to him make up for the wrongful feeding of the Yellow drops to my Dark valk........Still, I wonder why I thought the Yellow Drops would skill her up? LOL. I'll just blame it on my pain meds, they often cause me to misread things.

SiuiS

2014-02-13, 03:14 AM

If you read the full version in Chinese, he stones for stamina for regular dungeons, as well as doing all the descends (although he only does Hera/Zeus/Goemon repeatedly, for skillups), all when he can do mythical 95%+ of the time 0 stone. He also did super kings occasionally, but stopped after he's maxed out his first set of monsters. I suspect he'd do all the collabs/special dungeons at least once for the stone, as well as skilling up important subs. I think what he does different, in addition to not pendra/evo material farming, is following increased drop rates religiously, whether for normals or specials, as well not pulling the dragons arm as much, allowing much more focus of exp as well as all the stones being able to go toward stamina refreshes. Doesn't hurt that other versions seem to get more free stones/tamas than we do.

This is all true. However, I don't think it's relevant. I wouldn't find any of that play to be fun enough to stick with for 50 days, let alone 466.

@Starwulf
Yellow drops go to original valk...do you have her? Still, really terrible luck. Hope it gets better this event!

Everyone has Rose Valkyrie but meeeeeee

Starwulf

2014-02-13, 03:17 AM

This is all true. However, I don't think it's relevant. I wouldn't find any of that play to be fun enough to stick with for 50 days, let alone 466.

Everyone has Rose Valkyrie but meeeeeee

Hehe, no, I don't have Rose Valk either. I was mistaken when I fed the yellow drops to my Blazing Maiden, Princess valkryie.

Jasmine

2014-02-13, 03:27 AM

This is all true. However, I don't think it's relevant. I wouldn't find any of that play to be fun enough to stick with for 50 days, let alone 466.

Uh, if he plays the descends, the collabs, the biweeklies, the special event dungeons, the technicals, and the normals, skipping out on farming pendras and masks/dragon plants/dubs, what fun is he missing out on? Only thing I can think of is the satisfaction of seeing a SUPER! while feeding 5 pendra...

Oh, and perhaps the excitement of extreme danger when taking on descends unprepared. Still, I think most people would rather 0-stone!

301,790,222 - Horus, Lucifer (descends), Blue Noel (super kings), working on Valk, Goemon

Starwulf

2014-02-13, 03:33 AM

Jasmine(and everyone else, if you care to update), Please post your ID code and your primary leaders so I can update the OP so it's easy for newer players to add us all and to know who to ask for what leader when they need someone specific :) Thank you ^^

SiuiS

2014-02-13, 03:37 AM

Uh, if he plays the descends, the collabs, the biweeklies, the special event dungeons, the technicals, and the normals, skipping out on farming pendras and masks/dragon plants/dubs, what fun is he missing out on? Only thing I can think of is the satisfaction of seeing a SUPER! while feeding 5 pendra...

Oh, and perhaps the excitement of extreme danger when taking on descends unprepared. Still, I think most people would rather 0-stone!

From box shots, he's apparently not tackling most descends. I haven't read the original, but "does not have many descend monsters and got lucky with some of those he does" was a discussion point. Yes, farming stamina is super efficient and you get rank ups faster, but I found tackling (albeit also losing) Hera descended at day 30 to be a more satisfying thing. Fixating on a goal and hitting it. You don't get that by playing the long game, which by its nature requires passing up those benchmarks for now because every descend loss (or win) is another four runs of OoH you're not doing.

Jasmine

2014-02-13, 03:51 AM

From box shots, he's apparently not tackling most descends. I haven't read the original, but "does not have many descend monsters and got lucky with some of those he does" was a discussion point. Yes, farming stamina is super efficient and you get rank ups faster, but I found tackling (albeit also losing) Hera descended at day 30 to be a more satisfying thing. Fixating on a goal and hitting it. You don't get that by playing the long game, which by its nature requires passing up those benchmarks for now because every descend loss (or win) is another four runs of OoH you're not doing.

From a single picture of 25 monsters, he has Hera-Ur, Valk, Zeus, Goemon, Hera, and Satan. He has Parvati and Yomi from REM, and Echidna and Siren, I suppose from farming. The other 15 displayed monsters hold his + eggs. Do you know anyone else using a 60% Descend/Other ratio? :P

You can fixate on goals without losing too :P I'd have loved not to spend a stone on Hera and 2 on Hera-is if possible, but I didn't want to wait a month hehe. I'm not sure how many of the people discussing him have actually read his post as opposed to extrapolating off of 2 screenshots, but he seems to be having fun - some people, myself included, get a lot of satisfaction out of optimizing behavior. Great thing about PAD is you're free to do things your own way and others won't affect you :)

On an unrelated note, after 6 runs of dragon plants, Valk joins Horus as my second level 90+ monster!

SiuiS

2014-02-13, 04:20 AM

From a single picture of 25 monsters, he has Hera-Ur, Valk, Zeus, Goemon, Hera, and Satan. He has Parvati and Yomi from REM, and Echidna and Siren, I suppose from farming. The other 15 displayed monsters hold his + eggs. Do you know anyone else using a 60% Descend/Other ratio? :P

I'll fully admit if the premise is changed my answer will too.

You can fixate on goals without losing too :P I'd have loved not to spend a stone on Hera and 2 on Hera-is if possible, but I didn't want to wait a month hehe.

Exactly. I don't want to wait a month. "Suboptimal" behavior which is optimized toward my goal and not someone else's isn't suboptimal.

The real issue is time available. I have spent basically all day on the game before, but I can't do that often. Playing to that degree requires dedication I cannot do; the losses elsewhere – not in stamina but in paycheck, quality time with my filly, or my friends, or even playing make believe – is too high. I love optimal behaviors as an exercise. But I know that the price of committing to that is stressing over how well you're doing. Given that I've had trouble in the past eating because it was more optimal to maximize my nutrient intake to paycheck ratio by just being hungry for five more hours, sleeping late and eating three tablespoons of peanut butter with breakfast tomorrow... I've had to adopt a more holistic approach to life. Viewing it like the sims as a bunch of fluctuating bars is a good tool, but I have to remember that the bars themselves are a means, not an end.

On an unrelated note, after 6 runs of dragon plants, Valk joins Horus as my second level 90+ monster!

Rock on! I will probably obsessively plead for you to keep her going on some days as I throw my underdeveloped healer team repeatedly at dungeons and cry XD

Starwulf

2014-02-13, 05:02 AM

Jasmine

2014-02-13, 05:14 AM

My team: My GrOdin, level 85, my Messenger of God, Archangel level 44, my Echidna, level 35, my Top DroidDragon, level 46, and my Cuchlu, level 76, with a fully awokened level 61 GrOdin.

Sub out Cuchu for a max skilled heartmaker, if you have 2, you can sub echidna out too. You really just need to do good matching on the first wave to knock all but 1 out, wait to charge odin, and use gungnir to leave 1 alive every wave afterwards. If at least one of the odins has autoheal, you might not even need to bring archangel (hera does 494 after double odin) Skill based damage will be more effective than matching based damage. So if you have low CD rippers (evolved lils, evolved chimeras, demons, mid ninjas) those might help. Maybe even ogres, if you get lucky and hit the right element.

Starwulf

2014-02-13, 05:36 AM

Sub out Cuchu for a max skilled heartmaker, if you have 2, you can sub echidna out too. You really just need to do good matching on the first wave to knock all but 1 out, wait to charge odin, and use gungnir to leave 1 alive every wave afterwards. If at least one of the odins has autoheal, you might not even need to bring archangel (hera does 494 after double odin) Skill based damage will be more effective than matching based damage. So if you have low CD rippers (evolved lils, evolved chimeras, demons, mid ninjas) those might help. Maybe even ogres, if you get lucky and hit the right element.

I have no max-skilled heartmakers, as I've previously mentioned. I have no rippers that are skilled either. I do have ogres, but that seems like a bit of a gamble, if I don't match up against their color, they are useless. So, I don't need echidna then? I thought her menace was going to be crucial? I could bring someone with higher attack if I subbed her out, but still not going to do much good, as with no multipliers, orb-based damage does virtually nothing.

Am I really going to be screwed because I have no low-CD rippers or heart-makers? That really freaking sucks, I was truly looking forward to taking this dungeon on.

I'd ask about my L.Meta team, but then I have no-one to crack Neptune with, and hades will one-shot me if I can't kill him in 4 turns.

I mean, I was even focusing on the lowest HP creature, only had 19k Health(dark type little guy) and only got him to like 1/3rd health left. I guess if I could have killed him, keeping my health up would have been quite simple as the other monster was on a 2 turn cool-down, and I could have stalled for both Odins Gugnirs, but man, now I"m wondering if it would even be possible, Hera would be a slog, and eventually I'd run out of health orbs and I'd no longer get the damage reduction.

As far as my matching, man I was matching almost all the colors on my team every turn(so like 4-5 combos). Just wasn't doing enough damage still.

SiuiS

2014-02-13, 05:46 AM

Alrighty, I really need some advice. I couldn't even make it past the first stage of Hera's dungeon. Couldn't even kill a single creature, and even though I had my Angel and a fully Awokened Odin, eventually I got hit to many times and couldn't heal back up(It didn't help matters that I literally had no heart orbs for 3 rounds in a row ><) to full. It was absolutely pathetic.

My team: My GrOdin, level 85, my Messenger of God, Archangel level 44, my Echidna, level 35, my Top DroidDragon, level 46, and my Cuchlu, level 76, with a fully awokened level 61 GrOdin.

What in the hell went so awfully there? I mean, I knew attack was going to be low, but that was so abysmal, it wasn't even funny.

Too many colors? I had (and have) the same problem, I got through it by just nuking the first floor as much as humanly possible. Worst case scenario, you kill them all and end up stalling on the masks. And for combos, you're better off matching green two or three times plus some others than matching every color. You're not using Horus; 2x3 is 225% green damage, 1x3 on bot green and blue is only 125% each... Which hurts more when defense kicks in on these guys. That's why Byakko teams have a primary, and use only one each fire and water.

Also, don't worry about max skill on the heart makers so much as just having them. Gungnir vampires 10% if damage dealt to your health, and you're packing two. Worst case scenario? Hera almost kills you, and you have two heart makers and two almost-full-heals on tap. My personal strategy for heart makers was to use one immediately and then just use the minimum amount of hearts, so I could guarantee back ups. But your mileage may vary, and Jasmine has a better eye for team comp than I do.

Jasmine

2014-02-13, 05:47 AM

I have no max-skilled heartmakers, as I've previously mentioned. I have no rippers that are skilled either. I do have ogres, but that seems like a bit of a gamble, if I don't match up against their color, they are useless. So, I don't need echidna then? I thought her menace was going to be crucial? I could bring someone with higher attack if I subbed her out, but still not going to do much good, as with no multipliers, orb-based damage does virtually nothing.

Am I really going to be screwed because I have no low-CD rippers or heart-makers? That really freaking sucks, I was truly looking forward to taking this dungeon on.

I'd ask about my L.Meta team, but then I have no-one to crack Neptune with, and hades will one-shot me if I can't kill him in 4 turns.

I mean, I was even focusing on the lowest HP creature, only had 19k Health(dark type little guy) and only got him to like 1/3rd health left. I guess if I could have killed him, keeping my health up would have been quite simple as the other monster was on a 2 turn cool-down, and I could have stalled for both Odins Gugnirs, but man, now I"m wondering if it would even be possible, Hera would be a slog, and eventually I'd run out of health orbs and I'd no longer get the damage reduction.

As far as my matching, man I was matching almost all the colors on my team every turn(so like 4-5 combos). Just wasn't doing enough damage still.

Sorry it's hard to keep track of everyone's monsters >_< Echidna is more essential in spike teams as they dont have the hp/defense to take a hit from the boss. Keep in mind that aside from Hades (where you'll need to heal 1k in 6 turns) every single boss will hit you for less than 1 autoheal/turn(preferably from an odin) The hardest part for Odin/Odin teams is actually the first wave! As long as you make sure your skills are charged before entering each new wave (to kill all but 1 immediately), and making 1 of any match a turn, you should never die.

Somewhat counterintuitive, but if you meet a mystic knight, it might be easier to take him down, as he has 500 less defense than a devil. Pinging for 1's would take forever!

Also, as long as you don't start with 2 little devils, you should only be needing to heal every 2 or 3 turns (right after both attack you at the same time) - don't waste your heart orbs if autoheal will bring you to max!

Edit: Siuis, you're combining Hera and 2 Heroes LOL. No masks and Vampires in this one. 4 waves of devil/demon/knight and then 6 waves of bosses. Also probably no way you'd wipe the first wave with 1 combo. Remember to focus on one, your monsters will auto-target based on elemental weakness and that can screw you over.
Any heartmaker could save you in a pinch, max skilling just lets them save you more times, especially right in the beginning where you're waiting all those turns for it to charge. There's been multiple times where I was one hit away from death by turn 5, and Siren saved me by making a dozen hearts.
Personally, I'd trade the echidna for a siren(or whatever heartmaker has the fastest cooldown). Cuchu might still be a little bit of help in killing off a first wave mon. I still think you might be managing your hearts wrong - you shouldn't be starving as long as you don't get double devils first wave o.O

SiuiS

2014-02-13, 05:49 AM

Oh right, I'm thinking two heroes :smallredface:

Yep! Anihilate the guy who will hurt you the most, or the guy you can actually kill!

Beacon of Chaos

2014-02-13, 08:34 AM

Got a mystic water knight from Hera Descended, completing my Mystic Knight collection! Hooray!

Think I'll run Hera again to try for a skill-up.

Remember those stones you saved? Pull an L.Meta this fest!
Indeed! That or D.Meta, or one of the Odins/Sonias/Norse Gods/Egyptian Gods. All would be welcome. :smallbiggrin:

Do it filly!
Oops, too late!

Jasmine(and everyone else, if you care to update), Please post your ID code and your primary leaders so I can update the OP so it's easy for newer players to add us all and to know who to ask for what leader when they need someone specific :) Thank you ^^
DiegoHavoc 376,879,256 - Byakko/Haku, Lucifer, Horus, Sundragon Sol Pterados (For RK on Tuesdays), Robin (Weekend dungeon)

obryn

2014-02-13, 09:09 AM

Thanks for posting the new thread. :smallbiggrin:

Wednesday is D&D night, so I was a bit busy!

Erloas

2014-02-13, 10:04 AM

I think I have the fully awoken Odin friend, I'll have to check later. I don't think I'll have time to grind it out first thing this morning either way though. edit: Not seeing one on my friends list, so either I'm remembering incorrectly or they have someone else up right now.

I'll have to look over the comp of the rest of the team, see what kind of damage I can expect to see how taking out the trash mobs is going to work. But I don't know if I'm any better off than Starwulf.
edit: also think I will have a lot of trouble with the devils, without bonuses even my heavy hitters hardly get past their defenses without great orbing so almost across the board I would be grinding absolutely everyone down with just the occasional skill.
A Horus/Horus and eating a few stones might be a more doable approach.

As for the random number generator, I'm actually wondering if they *don't* have a good RNG for some things and use some common seed to the account, such as maybe the account number itself, so some accounts seem "luckier" than others (and I know for pulls my alt account does seem luckier) because of RNG seeding. I've also noticed that the "great!" skill ups seem to almost always happen in streaks, none for a while then a couple right in a row. And while "random" can do that, it shouldn't be doing it much.

SiuiS

2014-02-13, 10:57 AM

And while "random" can do that, it shouldn't be doing it much.

Shouldn't random do that literally all the time? Truly random numbers being arbitrary, and all?

Erloas

2014-02-13, 11:28 AM

Shouldn't random do that literally all the time? Truly random numbers being arbitrary, and all?

Not really. Sure, if you are randomly picking a number between 1 and 100 you might hit the number 7 three times before you hit the number 48 once but you are significantly more likely to hit a wide distribution within the range than you are to concentrate in any given section.

Computers are actually really bad at doing random and even the best random number generators are still programmed algorithms that use some input number to fake its way through random. There are actually quite a few stories about major problems caused by poor random number generators. They often use the time as the seed for the RNG because it is always changing but even that comes with its own problems.

While a huge sample size is needed to get exact percentages, even relatively small sample sizes should at least skew into that range fairly reliably. IE a huge sample size is needed to see if something happens 1.5% or 2% of the time but a relatively small sample size could tell you if something happens closer to 60% of the time or 30% of the time. And our group here, even the people that post about being relatively happy with their skill up chance during 2x events aren't hitting 20%, let alone higher to balance out the lower people. 20% of the time should be pretty easy to see.

edit: I actually think there is more to the skill-up chance than a straight percentage because that could explain a lot of what is being seen. They could use a lot of variables, such as the respective levels of the mons, the number of levels the skill has, it could be logarithmically gained like exp, etc.

Lets say if the level of the creatures is close you have a better chance of getting a skill-up, well when you take 10 million samples the vast majority of the samples will probably be people adding a couple devils or knights together to feed to something else. If that has a higher chance of skilling up than feeding a level 3 goblin to a level 70 siren, well then the shear weight of occurrence is going to skew the skill-up number to closer to that of the knights and devils of the same level.
Same thing with the devils and their 25 levels of skill, if the number of levels chances the chance of a skill-up or if the skill-up is logarithmic then the first levels, the ones you combine the most with trash devils, is going to skew the apparent number up.
If the Great! combines greatly increases the skill-up chance (which is seems like it) then the 5%ish of that happening (which is about what it seems like to me) might be added to the base skill-up chance in a huge sample size, so rather then doubling a 10% chance you are instead doubling a 7% chance.

obryn

2014-02-13, 11:59 AM

SiuiS

2014-02-13, 12:01 PM

Computers are actually really bad at doing random and even the best random number generators are still programmed algorithms that use some input number to fake its way through random. There are actually quite a few stories about major problems caused by poor random number generators. They often use the time as the seed for the RNG because it is always changing but even that comes with its own problems.

Yeah, I think the best version I've heard of uses input from radio signals in the upper atmosphere, and even that is only really close.

While a huge sample size is needed to get exact percentages, even relatively small sample sizes should at least skew into that range fairly reliably. IE a huge sample size is needed to see if something happens 1.5% or 2% of the time but a relatively small sample size could tell you if something happens closer to 60% of the time or 30% of the time. And our group here, even the people that post about being relatively happy with their skill up chance during 2x events aren't hitting 20%, let alone higher to balance out the lower people. 20% of the time should be pretty easy to see.

My skill up success percentage is hovering around 40%, actually, with only the demon I threw demon fodder into to level being an outlier (and not being done during a double skill ups event).

It's possible that the differences which make up whether an account is lucky, unlucky or normal could be lost through averaging, the amount of data on this game is actually immense. Ten million downloads and at least eight million players, let's say only a tenth of them recording data, that's still eight hundred thousand players recording studious amouns of data. The spread sheets and such are out there.

SiuiS

2014-02-13, 12:02 PM

In case nobody has mentioned it, NORSE/EGYPTIAN Godfest.

Norse gods are awesome monocolor leads, and Egyptians are ... Egyptians, you know?

It's a good Godfest. No Player's Choice, but only something like Egyptian/Chinese or Egyptian/JP2.0 would be better.

Yuss. Hopefully I'll...

Wait. Uh. Actually...

I might sit this one out <_<

I need that fairlio, mang. Need.

Erloas

2014-02-13, 01:00 PM

In order of want:
Red Odin
Bastet
Jade Sonia
all norse gods/other Sonia

Alternatively, I would also love for any of *you* to get Bastet too :)

The other Sonias I don't have good teams for at this point so they would just be later projects. The Norse gods, while I don't have a specific use for any yet they would all be a good step towards teams later. I do need a blue god for my Horus team though.
I've got the stones for 2 pulls on one account and 3 on the other.

The pengdra village wasn't very nice to me, didn't get more then 1 upgraded pengdra per run, got white on the account I needed black and vis versa and didn't get any green which I wanted.

King Carnival looks like it could be tricky. On the main account I've got ogres to cover everything and Odin to stall so I should be ok, but I don't know about the other account, I guess HP/RCV and bring Obyrn's Ra.

And not for the godfest, but I do need about 5 dub-myths...

SiuiS

2014-02-13, 01:06 PM

Wait what
We are getting the kings carnival
Why was I not informed?!

obryn

2014-02-13, 02:59 PM

Some PSA's. :smallsmile:

(1) Trifruits is, like, crazy stupid hard with dragon plants that hit for almost 200,000 damage.
(2) King Carnival is likewise much harder than normal Super Kings because the regular King dragons have at least 100 hp, hit for over 1,000, and have over 60k defense. If you can run a solid 12.25x, you should be able to take it, though, if my math is right. 16x shouldn't have much of a problem with it, either, of course.

SiuiS

2014-02-13, 03:27 PM

So you're saying D&D batman//lucifer, 3x RK, top droidragon then? I think I can stall 22 rounds on wave one against 1k damage with 40,000 HP.

*eye gleam*

Monday.
Hera-Is.
Alright.

Aramul

2014-02-13, 03:35 PM

I just started playing this game about two weeks ago, after seeing the last thread, and it instantly hooked me. I'm currently rank 68 in Tomb of the Saint-Deep and Blazing Highway with ~20 crystals saved up for the upcoming Godfest. My main team is Incarnation of Genbu, Meimei, Vampire Lord, Holy Dragon, Dragon Knight, and Devil Dragon. Once I get my Dragon Knight evolved, I also have a Crystal Aurora Dragon and Firedragon Tyrannos to form a dragon-type team.

I also have the first account I made running Byakko/Haku, but I wasted a bunch of REM pulls outside of Godfests when I first started. In about the same place as my other team, with EotS Siren as my only real notable other monster.

I'm wondering what advice you guys have on what my next goals should be. Are there any monsters I should be farming for or aiming to get out of the temporary dungeons? Should I be focused on ranking up, unlocking areas, or evolving my monsters? Which monster would be the most effective to level/evolve next?

Eric 380.397.272 - Genbu/Meimei, Dragon Knight
eric 314.795.270 - Byakko/Haku, Siren

Erloas

2014-02-13, 03:41 PM

obryn

2014-02-13, 03:50 PM

I'm wondering what advice you guys have on what my next goals should be. Are there any monsters I should be farming for or aiming to get out of the temporary dungeons? Should I be focused on ranking up, unlocking areas, or evolving my monsters? Which monster would be the most effective to level/evolve next?

Eric 380.397.272 - Genbu/Meimei, Dragon Knight
eric 314.795.270 - Byakko/Haku, Siren
Hey, Aramul! And Welcome!

Your first tasks are pretty much always (1) ranking up, and (2) leveling your dudes. Now that you are past Castle of Satan, the soul-crushing Pengdra Cycle is your best friend. Clear some Technicals; at least the first three.

Genbu's a solid leader, so you're good there! Still, save some stones for this godfest on the 15th; it's an awesome one.

At this point, also watch for "survey dungeons" where you can get some important monsters like Vampires, Mystic Knights, Echidna, etc. Echidna won't match with Genbu, but that doesn't necessarily mean you won't want her. :smallsmile:

Feel free to add me; I have a few slots open. 357,549,260 . I should be able to help you out a bit, even though I have no Genbu myself.

So you're saying D&D batman//lucifer, 3x RK, top droidragon then? I think I can stall 22 rounds on wave one against 1k damage with 40,000 HP.

*eye gleam*

Monday.
Hera-Is.
Alright.
Yeah, as long as you don't get stuck with a Super King on 1, you should be good. Just have to make sure you clear all the floors before giving the monsters a turn, eh?

I'll be running Ra/Ra of course.

BTW, if you can run King Carnival, it's better monster XP/stamina than Super Kings.

Kauai

2014-02-13, 03:57 PM

So I've been trying to run with Byakko as lead (lvl 37 now), but I don't see any kind of multiplying that would indicate I'm activating her. As long as I clear red, blue, and dark on the same turn her 3.5 is supposed to activate, right? I ask because when I do that I don't see any visible multiplier and it's driving me nuts.

That's why Byakko teams have a primary, and use only one each fire and water.

THIS is something that I also need to take a look at. What I did was just switch Byakko to lead and Persephone as a sub, so my team ended up looking like Byakko (lvl 37)/Dark Dragon Knight (lvl 30)/Lilith (lvl 19; I need to address this)/Persephone (lvl 31)/Thanatos (lvl 30). Am I supposed to put in a red and a blue? I'm thinking of subbing in Shardran (max level; need the dub-myth to evolve) for Thanatos, but I'm not sure if that's the right approach.

Sad part is I am still STRUGGLING with the later stages of the normal dungeons. I barely got by the last stage of Polar Night Tower so I'm thinking this isn't boding well for me, at least not until I level my monsters more. (Speaking of which, I have 1 king sapphire dragon plus 5 evo'd blue pengdras sitting and waiting. I'm thinking I should use it on Megalodran once I evo Shardran? Another option would be using it on Andromeda, but I'm not sure where she would fit in any of my teams yet.)

Oh, and re: Polar Night Tower. SiuiS, I have all the data from my entire run through there. Should I just post it here?

My PAD data: Kauai 364,995,253. Not sure who to mention as the leads that I've got (have several low level gods), so I'll stick with the lvl 30 and above: Byakku, Persephone, Pompompurin, Strawberry Dragon (if that even counts lol).

obryn

2014-02-13, 03:59 PM

Aramul

2014-02-13, 04:01 PM

Kauai

2014-02-13, 04:02 PM

LOL To clarify, those were the leaders I have for the first post.

My Byakko team is Byakko/DDK/Lilith/Persephone/and now I suppose Shardran. So it sounds like I need to swap someone out for a red? If so, I need to figure out who I can fit in under my current cap (at 70 now).

Kauai

2014-02-13, 04:03 PM

Ah got it, thanks Aramul. So it does look like I need to make space for a red. Hmm...probably Lilith should go given her low level (I like the poison, but I guess it hits for so little that it really doesn't matter lol; just need to remember which dungeons actually need it). Need to find a decent 11 cost red monster in my box...

obryn

2014-02-13, 04:05 PM

Yeah, you shouldn't need poison on a general basis with a 12.25x team; it's kind of extraneous. :smallsmile:

Kauai

2014-02-13, 04:09 PM

obryn

2014-02-13, 04:24 PM

Thanks Obryn. So for red subs, I basically can go with either Ice Samurai Ogre (lvl 24 :smallyuk:) or Gigas (lvl 30). Have Phoenix Knight and Flame Guardian too, plus max level Tyrannos (have the mats to evolve him but I keep hoping I'll somehow get enough XP over the next couple of days to max lvl my strawberry dragon and evo him). Any thoughts on who would be best?

EDIT: Oh and Aramul, I do have an evolved Genbu but she's only lvl 14. If you ever need her up though, just let me know.
Gigas, definitely. Or the strawberry dragon; I believe she eats green orbs to give you hearts?

For blue, you actually want to steer away from Siren or Megalodran because they melt red orbs, and you need red orbs to Haku properly. :smallsmile:

Jasmine

2014-02-13, 04:26 PM

My main team is Incarnation of Genbu, Meimei, Vampire Lord, Holy Dragon, Dragon Knight, and Devil Dragon. Once I get my Dragon Knight evolved, I also have a Crystal Aurora Dragon and Firedragon Tyrannos to form a dragon-type team.

Team looks pretty good to be honest. Leveling monsters and ranking up is always a good thing to do. A rainbow keeper could replace your devil dragon for a while, that things is a godly stat stick for ages - I'm still using them at rank 125.

For dragon teams, they're usually green/black, so focus on those. If you can manage it, Draggie tomorrow would be a great addition to that team (2.5x dragon attack for 1 turn, used to kill bosses). Vamp lord + 4 dub myths/whatever strong 10 cost dark monsters + friend batman should be able to do it...I think..Also mystic night sword for a chaos dragon knight the next time it comes around.

An Echidna could be useful if you ever branch out into other teams, but it's not really used on Genbu or Dragon teams, so it's more of a long term goal.

You could look up some descends you want to tackle first and start preparing for them! Most of them require specialty teams, and the sooner you start prepping, the sooner you can add those buff monsters to your team! Cuchu from 2heroes and Hera both could do well on a Genbu team, and both heroes are solid leaders you could build new teams around!

@Kauai
Ice samurai + black team!

Kauai

2014-02-13, 04:38 PM

Gigas, definitely. Or the strawberry dragon; I believe she eats green orbs to give you hearts?

For blue, you actually want to steer away from Siren or Megalodran because they melt red orbs, and you need red orbs to Haku properly. :smallsmile:

Okay, Gigas it is. And you're right on the strawberry dragon skill. It can't fit on my team due to the cap yet tho, unless I use it instead of Persephone.

Shardran is literally my only decent blue other than Andromeda. (Have Kittyn and Mimmyna, but they're only lvl 2 and I'm not sure if they're worthwhile to invest in.) I suppose I could level the aqua knight and make an aqua baron, or even max out my mid water ninja, but aren't both of those options kind of a waste? Actually, there's also Kerokerokeroppi, but...yeah.

SiuiS

2014-02-13, 05:04 PM

Assuming the Wikia page is right it will be tanking 3242 damage every round. It seems like getting a first round Super will be relatively likely.

Of course I'm still seeing if I can figure out a way to do Hera.

Still, with hearts on the board I'll be fine, I think. I've survived a first turn invade before. Well, barely.
Yeah, fine.

So I've been trying to run with Byakko as lead (lvl 37 now), but I don't see any kind of multiplying that would indicate I'm activating her. As long as I clear red, blue, and dark on the same turn her 3.5 is supposed to activate, right? I ask because when I do that I don't see any visible multiplier and it's driving me nuts.

You do need to attack with monsters of the right color. Shardra actually evos into a B/R monster, so not a bad idea.

My Byakko team is (obvious leaders), Hera, Hera, echidna, Blue Monster.

Oh, and re: Polar Night Tower. SiuiS, I have all the data from my entire run through there. Should I just post it here?

My PAD data: Kauai 364,995,253. Not sure who to mention as the leads that I've got (have several low level gods), so I'll stick with the lvl 30 and above: Byakku, Persephone, Pompompurin, Strawberry Dragon (if that even counts lol).

Sure! I will start grabbing it too, I just haven't played in a day >_>
Hmm. If we grab monsters we could probably break down monster/level/dungeon (stamina?)/color? XP could be extrapolated from the first few.
Wait, I've missed a step. Ugh. I'm... Like, I should be in bed two hours ago. So gimme time I guess XD

I'll toss you in ASAP. Need to clear some folks who aren't really getting use as friends first.

Kauai

2014-02-13, 05:33 PM

You do need to attack with monsters of the right color. Shardra actually evos into a B/R monster, so not a bad idea.

My Byakko team is (obvious leaders), Hera, Hera, echidna, Blue Monster

I never even considered the dual color aspects. My Ice Samurai Ogre is B/R already, so maybe I should use him instead of Shardran? I just thought that Shardran was a decent choice as he's a heartmaker in case I have bad need of healing, even if it's at the expense of the reds on the board so it messes up Byakko's active. Is that sound reasoning or kind of dumb? lol (Actually, as for the rest of the team makeup I'm even second-guessing if the DDK is really necessary given that it's no longer a monodark team.) Hmm...my ice samurai ogre is also fully awoken so that's another argument in his favor.

EDIT: Forgot to add the dungeon info from yesterday! Here it is:

Polar Night Tower - Sunless Road
Stam Cost: 9
Coins acquired: 9224
XP Acquired: 2747
Monsters Acquired:
2x Aqua Knight, lvl 3
2x Black Knight, lvl 3
Blood Devil (+1), lvl 3

Polar Night Tower - Room of Shadow
Stam Cost: 9
Coins Acquired: 5128
XP Acquired: 2089
Monsters Acquired:
Black Knight, lvl 3
Sapphire Carbuncle (+1), lvl 7

Polar Night Tower - Knights of the Polar Night
Stam Cost: 9
Coins Acquired: 6340
XP Acquired: 2792
Monsters Acquired:
Ice Ogre, lvl 3
Aqua Knight, lvl 3

Polar Night Tower - Banquet of Temptation
Stam Cost: 9
Coins Acquired: 5004
XP Acquired: 2249
Monsters Acquired:
2x Frost Devil, lvl 3
Blood Devil, lvl 3
Amethyst Carbuncle, lvl 7

Polar Night Tower - Blue Guardian
Stam Cost: 11
Coins Acquired: 11200
XP Acquired: 3759
Monsters Acquired:
Frost Devil, lvl 3
Blood Devil, lvl 3
Marine Goblin, lvl 3
Black Knight, lvl 3

Hope this is all the info that you were looking for, SiuiS! If I'm missing something just let me know and I'll be sure to note it next time.

Beacon of Chaos

2014-02-13, 05:57 PM

King Carnival? Ooh, nice.

I bet it will be at 4am for me or something. :smallsigh:

I just started playing this game about two weeks ago, after seeing the last thread, and it instantly hooked me.
Welcome aboard! I've added your Byakko account. I'm always looking for more of her. :smallbiggrin:

Yeah, you shouldn't need poison on a general basis with a 12.25x team; it's kind of extraneous. :smallsmile:
Until you evolve her and given her a Tamadra, at which point she's good for healing. :smallsmile:

Erloas

2014-02-13, 07:20 PM

Trying to think of a Hera team I could actually do.

Was thinking maybe Odin+genie/RK/RK/vampire with other leader being batman, or more ideally Abyss Neptune (I think someone here has him, I know a friend list sometimes has a Neptune up?)
That would make it pretty easy to tank Hera and Hades, although Neptune would be incredibly slow to kill without the Neptune leader. If I did get Neptune I could probably switch out some other things (or most other things really). Otherwise I have 50% reduction or 0 dark damage for 9 rounds out of every 20 to give me a chance to catch up if I fell behind. The vampire really only because it was the strongest black creature I could fit in my team cost with the rest of the team.

That should be strong enough to handle the trash getting up there and the other gods, while a bit of a slog, should be easy enough to handle for the team either way.

Kauai

2014-02-13, 08:23 PM

@Kauai
Ice samurai + black team!

I just noticed this at the tail end of your post, Jasmine. lol Yeah, I never even considered that the Ice Samurai would take care of red and blue for me in one slot. I'll use the ice samurai instead of Shardran, but I may still go with Gigas in place of Lilith for now, at least until I get her leveled. Once I evo Shardran into Megalodron tho, do you think it's a better route to go with Gigas and Megalodron? Or is Ice Samurai still the better option (in which case I may start leveling him since he's only at 24)?

I need to find time this weekend to continue the Tower grind. I'm in bad need of both team cost and stamina (not to mention friends, tho that's just about maxed out). Hopefully I can get to rank 70, which I THINK will give me enough cap space to add an RK to the lineup. Then he'll replace Gigas and I'll go with Ice Samurai for R/B. So final lineup would be Byakko/Persephone (does it still make sense to include her?)/RK/dark dragon knight/Ice Samurai, and I figure Byakko friend. I'm thinking that's probably a relatively decent team.

Jasmine

2014-02-13, 09:24 PM

I need to find time this weekend to continue the Tower grind. I'm in bad need of both team cost and stamina (not to mention friends, tho that's just about maxed out). Hopefully I can get to rank 70, which I THINK will give me enough cap space to add an RK to the lineup. Then he'll replace Gigas and I'll go with Ice Samurai for R/B. So final lineup would be Byakko/Persephone (does it still make sense to include her?)/RK/dark dragon knight/Ice Samurai, and I figure Byakko friend. I'm thinking that's probably a relatively decent team.

Level up the ogre to max (level 50, 265,165 exp) he's insanely cheap for the amount of stats he gives. You will eventually want replace him with either Siegfried for fast farming (B/R) or a combination of Echidna (R) and Hera-Is (B/D) for tough stuff. Fill up the remaining slot with statsticks/orb changers for more offense, or stack with 3 RK's for safety.
Honestly right now you can just throw on the best stats/cost members onto your team. That also brings something up - it could be wise to leave all your members at max level unevolved until you have the team cost to support them. My Horus and Vamp Lord are both sitting unevolved otherwise they'd kick another member (or themselves) off my team. +20% increase in strength isn't worth a +200% increase in team cost unless you can afford it!

Re: Persephone - I would take her if her skill CD is shorter than Vamp and DDK combined. AKA she is better now, but somewhat more difficult to skill up, so the combination of Vamp + DDK could outshine her in the future. Still, good to invest in case you ever want to have a mono dark team. (Vamps eat big baddies/vamps, ddk eats mystic darks (dark knight sword special dungeon), Persephone eats wicked ladies (Mystic Dk. Dragon, Dragon in Motley).

Re: Gigas/Megalodran, skill those up with the red/blue goblins you find, respectively, and throw extra exp that isn't needed elsewhere onto them. You will want megalodran ready for your descends, and gigas ready if you go for a mono red/goemon team.

tyckspoon

2014-02-13, 09:49 PM

Took my dark team for a spin in Hera with a Lucifer friend; couldn't keep up with Ceres' damage output, although I possibly could of if I'd been more liberal with my Batman and RK's skills. I think Hades or Hera probably would have done for me anyway; the team was doing alright, but would really prefer a faster heart maker (I was using the dark/light kittyslime.)

Aramul

2014-02-13, 10:01 PM

Thanks for the assistance and welcomes everyone. A couple other questions.

I know Technicals on stage 1 or 2 are the best for blue/red/green xp farming, but what is the best place for fodder for my light/dark monsters?

Are there any friends in particular I should be on the look out for? I've got a few Genbu, Kushinada, and Bastet already, and a couple GrOdin (though I'd like more). Anything else that is particularly useful to either one of my teams or in general?

@Kauai; Thanks, but I have a lot of Genbu friends already. I find myself preferring Bastet and Kushinada in the friend slot, no need to level up your Genbu if you aren't going to use her.

Samuel Sturm

2014-02-13, 10:22 PM

Ok, I finally have time to type this up!

My friend ID: 387 372 268

Main lead: D/D Batman

Other leads D/W Batman
Kushinada
D/D Yomi
D/W Vampire

Mons that might be useful as leads, can put up on request

F/F Freyr
Baby Horus
Most Nuke Ogres (Temporarily missing F/W)
W/D Neptune
Siegfried, 2.5x ATK stage
Baby Orochi
Kirin otAS
Venom Bane
FoN Okuninushi
JD Drawn Joker
Hanzo
Baby Byakko

I think that's everything that might actually be useful as leaders, and I currently have 5 free friend spots.

Also, I zero stoned Hera today with a D/D Batman//Odin team, swapping in Nebradisk when I got to the gods. If you bring 2 autoheal awoken skills, you're invincible unless you miss matching any orbs at all. One heck of a grind, but it's safer than any other method I've seen.

I know Technicals on stage 1 or 2 are the best for blue/red/green xp farming, but what is the best place for fodder for my light/dark monsters?
As far as I can tell, Stage 1 technicals. Choose the one with the best rank XP to stamina ratio, and run it when you're not hitting the specials.

Also, Oceanus Falls - Whirlpool in the Waterfall Basin is the best rank EXP in the game, barring some very, very hard dungeons, so I recommend getting there soonish. I mainly use it for setting myself up to get more runs at time-limited dungeons by way of rank-up stamina refills.

Jasmine

2014-02-14, 12:39 AM

I know Technicals on stage 1 or 2 are the best for blue/red/green xp farming, but what is the best place for fodder for my light/dark monsters?

Dark mons - Alert metal dragons. Dark mons are said to be the easiest to level in the game due to this one dungeon. 15 stamina compared to 20 for the other jewel dragons, as well as coming around twice as often.

Light mons - most people just bite the bullet and level them with evolved r/g/b pendra or high/king metal dragons.

@Blade
Vamps 2x recovery would probably have been more useful than batmans 2x hp. It's really nice to heal 12k+ with a heart match + random combos.

Starwulf

2014-02-14, 12:47 AM

Odd...I"m not sure what in the hell the difference is, but I managed to kill the first monster of the first wave, so now I'm pretty much invincible I guess, my skills will all be up by the time I kill the Mystic Stone Knight. I annihilated the Demon that came on the first wave this time, not sure why such a drastic change, but for now, I'm hopefully optimistic.

Erk. Second wave scared me. Gugnir wasn't enough to kill either of the Dual Mystic Knights I was facing(Mystic Water and Mystic Stone), but I managed to kill the stone the very next round, and kept my life up at full long enough to kill the second, so now i'm just whiling away at the Taur Demon.

In a groove now. I realize I can't hoard my Top DroidDragons skill, so I use it at the start of each wave, then Gugnir the monsters that will be one-shotted by that, leaving one up so I can get both Gugniers and my Defense break skill back up for the next wave. I am pretty set it appears now :) Loving it, truly. I think I may have this in the bag now, though It's gonna take forever.

Samuel Sturm

2014-02-14, 01:00 AM

@Blade
Vamps 2x recovery would probably have been more useful than batmans 2x hp. It's really nice to heal 12k+ with a heart match + random combos.

I thought about that, but 2 things kept me from doing it.
1: All my mons are to low level for me to be able to take a synced wave without the 2x HP, even with GOdin.
2: Bats has a stall skill, and I'd rather have that than a heartbreak skill for this dungeon with this team.

Once I get higher lvl mons, I'll probably just rush it with B/W Bats//B/W Bats and all the orb changers. 10 turn Hera? No problem!

Kauai

2014-02-14, 01:12 AM

Wow, did you guys see what just got posted on FB? Happy with it coinciding with the upcoming Godfest. Unhappy as it looks like I may be buying some stones. (I'm DYING for an Odin, so at least there's a chance at some decent dark monsters while trying for him.)

*Rare Egg Machine Update*
[Duration]: 2/14 (Fri), 12:00 AM – 2/20 (Thurs), 11:59 PM (PST)

The Midnight Gala has arrived at the Rare Egg Machine. If you’re looking to shroud the world in darkness, look no further! These Hellions will arrive at level 30! Pandora and Grape Dragon have also been added to round out the Hero Gods and Fruit Dragons!!

The following Monsters have an increased chance to appear at the Rare Egg Machine this week

6 ★
982 Blazing Maiden, Princess Valkyrie
564 High Dark Ninja, Hanzo
387 Gryps Rider Finn

5 ★
1073 Pandora (NEW)
807 Okuninushi
753 Incarnation of Byakko, Haku
638 Fallen Angel Lucifer
628 Archangel Lucifer
575 Persephone
498 Anubis
376 Loki
244 Vritra
140 Yomi
130 Hades

563 Hattori Hanzo
386 Gryps Rider
361 Thanatos, the Dark Elemental
320 Dark Golem Mk.III
302 Drawn Joker
233 Chaos Dragon Knight
215 Chaos Devil Dragon
205 Witch of the Night, Lilith
121 Tiamat

4 ★
1083 Grape Dragon (NEW)
360 Thanatos
301 Pierdrawn
120 Basilisk
111 Vampire Lord
109 Dark Dragon Knight
97 Lilith
87 Dark Golem Mk.II

*While other Monsters are still available, only these Dark Attribute Monsters have the chance to appear at level 30.

Starwulf

2014-02-14, 01:17 AM

WOOT! I AM NOW INVINCIBLE!!! lol. I've made it to venus, and with my auto-healing, i don't even need to match heart orbs. I guess I have this on lock down now, god I'm so happy :)

obryn

2014-02-14, 01:19 AM

WOOT! I AM NOW INVINCIBLE!!! lol. I've made it to venus, and with my auto-healing, i don't even need to match heart orbs. I guess I have this on lock down now, god I'm so happy :)
:smallbiggrin: Congrats! This is almost a PAD rite of passage.

So it looks like, with the carnival, ANUBIS FOR EVERYONE! Which is good, actually, because is L/D ult evo is actually useful.

Kauai

2014-02-14, 01:21 AM

WOOT! I AM NOW INVINCIBLE!!! lol. I've made it to venus, and with my auto-healing, i don't even need to match heart orbs. I guess I have this on lock down now, god I'm so happy :)

Congrats, man! Hopefully I can get to that point in the game sometime soon too. :smallsmile:

EDIT: BTW Jasmine, I forgot to thank you for the advice again. It's great to have concrete goals and objectives when playing, especially with my cluelessness (prime example, my not even knowing how to use Byakko :smallmad:). Have 5 evo'd dark pendras right now, and debating if to use it on Byakko to level her higher or to use it on Lilith so she at least gets to level 30.

Starwulf

2014-02-14, 02:30 AM

Hera complete!!!!!!!!!!!! woot :) Took like 2 hours to grind it, I mean, the majority of my damage came from using Top DroidDragon, then both of Odins 50x ability, then using my Mitsuki(I switched echidna out for her), then using Cuchlus ability to turn all those hearts into wood orbs for a significant amount of spike damage. Sooo..like every 17 turns I was able to push out around 150k Damage. at the end I stopped even trying to match more then one set of orbs, just so i could speed things up by getting to my actives quicker.

So happy :) Trying to figure out now if I want to grab a second Hera before the dungeon is gone, or just save my stamina to do two quick runs of ye olde Mythlits, as I need multiple Dub-Mythlits, and even Multiple Mythlits right now for several NEEDED evolutions.

SiuiS

2014-02-14, 02:33 AM

Starwulf

2014-02-14, 02:34 AM

Get two heras. There are fights down the road that are. Not. Happening. Without two gravities.

Alright ^^ I'll trust an experienced descended dungeoneer on this one :) I'm not going to do it right now though, I'll just enter the Dungeon, I don't think I could sit still for another two hours grinding that out, LOL.

I just realized I have someone I can replace my Chaos Devil Dragon with on my DD Bats team, once I have the team cost for it that is :) Hellz to the yeah ^^

Edit: Well, a second Hera is a guaranteed thing now, I'm up to Minerva, and none of the gods can kill me, ever, I don't even have to connect hearts on hades, my auto-heal from angel and the fully awoken Odin heals me up enough, so it's all easy mode from here on out. I'm going the route I did on Hera last round on all the gods this time, just matching 1x3 orbs at a time, since I can barely hurt them(with the exception of Neptune. I pop TopDroidDragon, wipe him out with orb combos, then use my Odins on the next boss since the Null defense carries over if you can kill).

Kinda wishing I hadn't gotten so pissed off today, I wasn't even going to bother with the dungeon again, now I"m kicking myself, since I"m only going to have two Heras, and I honestly had wanted to run the dungeon more or less non-stop all day long, so I could get as close as possible to 8 Heras(2 to keep, 6 to fully awaken both of them so I don't have to waste Tamadra. It's a lot of exp(6x700k = 4.2m, plus the 1.4mil exp to evolve the original two as well so they can BE awoken), but Dark exp is by far the easiest to come by).

Ahh well, now I know I can do it, how to do it, and that's all that matters, because it's just a matter of a few weeks before she rolls around again, and I'll get all the Hera's I need then. As it stands, I am still super ultra ecstatically happy over being able to beat a true descended dungeon(albeit, probably the easiest Descended dungeon there is, even moreso then Two heroes, LOL).

Now I need to plan for Twinlits. You all say that my Healing girl team can handle it, I'd just like some information on how if you guys don't mind. My healer team consists of: Voice of God Metatron as the leader, then Echidna(for the Stall), Messenger of God Archangel(2x awaken for 1k auto-heal), Sacred Dragon Beast Angelion, King Shynee, and Blazing Maiden Princess Valkyrie, then another Light Metatron as my friend leader.

First off, I need to know who out of those I need to replace to fit the King Shynee in, I'm pretty sure the x3 active skill he has is entirely necessary to take down the twinlits themselves, just not sure who is the least needed. Angel maybe? Or is the auto-heal likely going to be needed to stay above 80% health?

Then of course, I need the actual strategy to take it on to guarantee victory. I'd rather not waste any stones on it, I'm going to end up with just enough for 1 roll, and I'm contemplating buying enough stones for a 2nd roll after that, just because the current set of gods in the upcoming Godfest are literally ALL gods that I would like to have(Even Ra, though He'd be the hardest to put to use for a good long while).

Jasmine

2014-02-14, 04:15 AM

You all say that my Healing girl team can handle it,

A healing girl team can handle it. I doubt any of ours can. 13335 HP to take the preemptives on wave 3, (12535 with angelion awakened, I think), and enough burst to take down 2.3 million hp in 5 hits. Don't really see that happening, but lets say 4 light 9 combo burst + 1 light 5 combo 4 times = 2300/12.25/(3*4*3+ 4*1*2) = 4268 light damage. I'm at 2151 right now. Nuh uh not happening. I'm skipping out this time.

Congrats on the double heras though!

Edit: I hate these daily dungeons. 16 thursdays for 15 dragon plants, and friday gives me greens and purples which I already have 8 and 5 of. Plz reds and dubs!! Even blues and yellows! Grrrrr

Starwulf

2014-02-14, 04:30 AM

A healing girl team can handle it. I doubt any of ours can. 13335 HP to take the preemptives on wave 3, (12535 with angelion awakened, I think), and enough burst to take down 2.3 million hp in 5 hits. Don't really see that happening, but lets say 4 light 9 combo burst + 1 light 5 combo 4 times = 2300/12.25/(3*4*3+ 4*1*2) = 4268 light damage. I'm at 2151 right now. Nuh uh not happening. I'm skipping out this time.

Ouch, yeah, I only have 6663 HP total, and that's with my King Shynee NOT being in the group. My attack is 2077 as well, so a little bit behind you there, so yeah not happening there either >< Ahh well, sooner or later it'll be able to happen :)

Second Hera is mine :) Took significantly less time this time around, only about an hour and 20 minutes, but that's because I just spammed 1x3 orbs for 90% of the time against the gods so my skills would get up quicker. If I can ever manage to get any of my guys skilled up I imagine I can shave another 20 minutes off, but still, I'm not particularly worried about it.

So, what about Trfruit Descended? Can my healer girl or DD Bats team take it on? Or no?

SiuiS

2014-02-14, 05:10 AM

Edit: Well, a second Hera is a guaranteed thing now, I'm up to Minerva, and none of the gods can kill me, ever, I don't even have to connect hearts on hades, my auto-heal from angel and the fully awoken Odin heals me up enough, so it's all easy mode from here on out. I'm going the route I did on Hera last round on all the gods this time, just matching 1x3 orbs at a time, since I can barely hurt them(with the exception of Neptune. I pop TopDroidDragon, wipe him out with orb combos, then use my Odins on the next boss since the Null defense carries over if you can kill).

Yup. And if you bring along a poisoner, it's even easier since damage accrues over time against Hera in between spikes. Or being Hera! Gravity speeds things along nicely. Or two heras! 51% HP gone on round one, plus the 198~k from two gungnirs?

That would leave you two spots on the team, one taken by droid, one taken by an autohealer. Level Hera up enough to be a beat stick and you're golden.

Now I need to plan for Twinlits. You all say that my Healing girl team can handle it, I'd just like some information on how if you guys don't mind. My healer team consists of: Voice of God Metatron as the leader, then Echidna(for the Stall), Messenger of God Archangel(2x awaken for 1k auto-heal), Sacred Dragon Beast Angelion, King Shynee, and Blazing Maiden Princess Valkyrie, then another Light Metatron as my friend leader.

First off, I need to know who out of those I need to replace to fit the King Shynee in, I'm pretty sure the x3 active skill he has is entirely necessary to take down the twinlits themselves, just not sure who is the least needed. Angel maybe? Or is the auto-heal likely going to be needed to stay above 80% health?

Then of course, I need the actual strategy to take it on to guarantee victory. I'd rather not waste any stones on it, I'm going to end up with just enough for 1 roll, and I'm contemplating buying enough stones for a 2nd roll after that, just because the current set of gods in the upcoming Godfest are literally ALL gods that I would like to have(Even Ra, though He'd be the hardest to put to use for a good long while).

In theory, you replace Archangel for King Shynee. If you get a good draw, you replace echidna (on this team) with Bastet, who becomes a G/L healer girl to go with the L/G Valkyrie and angelion. Freyja would work too.

You need Rose Valkyrie, blazing maiden won't do (too many colors), and you work out the math ahead of time. On wave one, how many combos of which colors will destroy most of the enemy? Get down to one myth spirit and stall. Forever. You should be able to enter the next wave with all skills up.

A healing girl team can handle it. I doubt any of ours can. 13335 HP to take the preemptives on wave 3, (12535 with angelion awakened, I think), and enough burst to take down 2.3 million hp in 5 hits. Don't really see that happening, but lets say 4 light 9 combo burst + 1 light 5 combo 4 times = 2300/12.25/(3*4*3+ 4*1*2) = 4268 light damage. I'm at 2151 right now. Nuh uh not happening. I'm skipping out this time.

Yeah. And the pre-emptive basically destroys Metatron teams since below 80% you can't bring her skill in. You need to be able to guarantee a 5x3 and a multi hit.

Let's break that down differently. Let's assume a guaranteed multihit.
Devil spirit has 1,736,389 HP after factoring in light-type weakness.
Angel spirit has 2,292,222 HP which is our target number.

God's Voice duet beings 12.25 to the table. King shynee brings 3 to the table, total 36.75. We can guarantee 4 light combos for an additional 4 factor. I think we can reliably hit eight combos total which is an additive 1.75, so the 4 is actually 5.75. 36.75 by 5.75 is 211.3x damage.

2,292,222 divided by 211.3 is 10,848 or basically 11k.

You need 14k hp and 11k base attack to beat Twinlits. The good news is, this also counts sub-elements. You have 2 metatrons for 10% more attack from both of them, and three sub-wood for 40% attack from them, and because this is a healer team and not, say, a monocolor team, this benefits from the boost. So 40% of Valkyrie with only a single G combo is still .4(1189)=476 x 36.75 x (1+1.75) = 144,196 after king shynee triples it. If L/G Valk alone brings an extra 100k at max level, then it's easier to see how a mid-high level team with multiple attributes take these down.

I cannot math enough to figure out the very minimum of each element when all totaled, however, because I don't have a method of finding out the level by level Attk attributes of all monsters required...

Jasmine

2014-02-14, 06:06 AM

we can reliably hit eight combos total which is an additive 1.75

I don't know why so many people think it's additive, but it's multiplicative (you can test in game), so by your math 4*1.75*36.75 = 257.25x, which brings it down to 8911 attack if you want to 1 hit, but if you have echidna you'll have 3 more turns + 1 where the lit wastes getting angry, so realistically you only need 6-7k or so if you're good/not trolled.

Also, diff sub element is 30% - you can test that as well.

I'd say trifruits is roughly twinlit level. If you can't do one, you probably can't do the other either. All I want out of this event is a few dubmyths (padguide says I need 22 x.x) and maybe some red dubs for goemon...

SiuiS

2014-02-14, 07:12 AM

I don't know why so many people think it's additive, but it's multiplicative (you can test in game),

I wasn't certain so I played it safe. If you can almost meet conservative estimates you can beat the real goal :3

I usually do multiplicative. This is the first time I thought that combo boost and orb boost might be the same tier and realized it might explain why I don't pump out as much damage as expected on say, attacking the demons in a descend XD

Also, diff sub element is 30% - you can test that as well.

I have that on my actual notes, yes. Can't test until off work – barely snuck in the Friday runs to Uvo echidna >_<. Lessee. Lmeta//Lmeta, Valk, shynee, Angelion, Bastet at max level for everyone is hp 13,275 light attack total 5,803 and wood attack total 2,250. Can't survive the dubmyths without plus eggs, but should be able to crack the twins.
This is with Lmeta at 1280/128, shynee at 680, Valk at 1189/357, Angelion at 786/234 and Bastet at 1107/332 on attack.

Subbing fuu in the grasses for Angelion gets you a slower heart shift at higher attack value, dropping Bastet for Valk gets more light attack at comparable levels but reduces your HP by another 220 plus eggs, and... Bastet is highest HP on color for healers. Nuts.

obryn

2014-02-14, 09:09 AM

Hera complete!!!!!!!!!!!! woot :) Took like 2 hours to grind it, I mean, the majority of my damage came from using Top DroidDragon, then both of Odins 50x ability, then using my Mitsuki(I switched echidna out for her), then using Cuchlus ability to turn all those hearts into wood orbs for a significant amount of spike damage.
Congrats!! 0-stoning Hera is a milestone! :smallbiggrin:

Now I need to plan for Twinlits. You all say that my Healing girl team can handle it, I'd just like some information on how if you guys don't mind.
As Jasmine said, L Meta teams can handle it. I don't think even mine could right now, though, since it's so under-leveled.

Now to try the fruit dungeon... :smalleek:

Erloas

2014-02-14, 10:05 AM

Congrats on the Hera.

I tried it once, knowing that green was the color that would give me the most trouble (not having any constant damage reduction or bonus damage against) and the very first room was a green devil and demon... So I didn't have any actives up and couldn't get past it. Even if I could have though it wouldn't have been a guarantee for me so it wasn't worth a stone to try again.

Next time should be a lot better.

The Midnight Gala is probably the worst combination for a godfest for me, I need the other colors more.

After GrOdin gets tamadra I'm not sure what to do with the last 2 and not sure what to do with them on the other account. Most of the other strong stuff I have right now to be awoken can be farmed, though some of them are high exp costs so it might be worth using tamadra.

I need lots of dub-mythlits (6 more to be used right now) and out of 4 runs I got all of 1 :(

obryn

2014-02-14, 10:27 AM

Alright, so I lost my first run of trifruits. I killed the tamadra on 3 a leeeeetle too hard and got to the fruits before Echidna was ready. (She only stalls one of them, but that's the one you really need to stall.)

Second run was pretty easy. Everything up to the fruits themselves is easily handled by a x16 combo, which is almost a sure thing with LL Ra. Of course, I ended up with the blue fruit who has literally no use in the US version yet. :smallsmile:

Beacon of Chaos

2014-02-14, 11:19 AM

Well, I finally got another Dub-Myth, ult-evolving CuChu. And it only took one stone for stamina refills. :smallsigh:

I just need... Well, I could do with two more right now, and another 3-4 for later on. :smallannoyed:

And of course I forgot about the King Carnival, so if I want to run that it's another stone for stamina. Thankfully we got a couple free from the event so I don't really feel like I'm wasting them but still, I really need to focus on getting to 100 max stamina soon.

SiuiS

2014-02-14, 11:30 AM

Erloas

2014-02-14, 12:43 PM

The GungTroll is strong this morning. Not only does it get to mock us continuously with Dub-Mythlits, but it was actually giving me high dragons instead of regular dragons when I had a bunch of black pengdra waiting for dragons to evolve. And then I had not 1, but 2 Tamadra show up and neither of them dropped.

Trying to decide where to put my next Dub-Myth too. Phoenix Knight Homura, Enchidna, Icedragon Plesios, and Amaterasu Ohkami can all be ultra'd with just a Dub-Myth.
But Artemis and Kittyn & Mimmyna are both very close to their next stage, as in probably a day or three depending on what I put my stamina into.
PKH is on my Cu Chu team, and I think Artemis will end up on Karin's team, and on Cu Chu as well once she gets busty (requiring another dub-myth obviously) and can lead her own team too. The rest are more situational and/or don't have specific teams. I've also got all 4 of the Tamadra free on that account and not sure where to put them.

On the other account I have the red and green toy dragons waiting for dub-myths for evo. Fortunately/unfortunately everything else there needs mystic masks as well to evo/busty.

Kauai

2014-02-14, 02:01 PM

Hmm...so I didn't realize that there would be metal dragons today. Debating on where to spend my paltry 49 stamina (well, more like 30 after I ran one Friday dungeon earlier this morning). I need a dubmyth to evo my Shardran into Megalodran (well, not to mention needing one for practically everything actually). I suppose tho, I should probably maximize metal dragon opportunities to keep leveling my dark folks (finish up Byakko who is at 45 now, and start working on Persephone, Lilith, and DDK).

At what point in the game did all of you start stoning for stamina? I'm thinking it's way too early for me to even consider that (too little return for that investment), but I'm just wondering when that aspect starts coming into play. I guess for urgent/limited dungeons?

EDIT: Also, what's Draggie? lol I'm guessing at this point my lineups aren't ready for that either. :smallsigh:

Erloas

2014-02-14, 02:30 PM

SiuiS

2014-02-14, 02:45 PM

Stoning for stamina is not worthwhile until level 192(?) when you have 100 stamina. I've done it but it's not usually a good idea. I have up on being non-IAP and figured my immediate enjoyment was worth a buck. I was not always right however and I've regretted about half my spending.

Kauai

2014-02-14, 03:34 PM

For the metal dragons, how many black pengdra do you have waiting for dragons to evo and how many dragon seeds do you have to do that as well? It sucks to hold 15 spaces worth of dragons because you don't have the other parts. Pengdra are generally the limiting factor for black.

Assuming your Padherder account is up to date then Shardran is the only one that actually needs the dub-myth; it looks like everything else needs other things to evolve and most need half a mil exp or so too. Byakko isn't too far away but the keeper and the mask will mean even with the dub you can't hope to evo it until mid next week at the earliest anyway.

Good points, Erloas. The pathetic thing is that it's all the Kitty slimes that are taking up all the space in my box. I can't bring myself to let those go, as I keep thinking I'll want to eventually evo them to skill up the fruit dragons. I know I'm stupid, but it's the completist in me I suppose. So that's wasting about 80 box spaces. :smallmad:

My thoughts were to go after the dublits in the hope of landing some dub-myths to stock up for future use but you're right, it's not needed immediately so I went ahead and ran metal dragons twice with the stamina I had. Managed to get 1 king and 1 tamadra, so I think it was a good choice. I used all my black pengdra yesterday (managed to evo them all, which is how I got Byakko that close to max), so I guess the metals will just be sitting and taking up space for awhile.

Hmm...that's the second king metal that I have in my box, and I'm only 138.5k away from maxing Byakko out (says 166k in Padherder but I'm actually only about 3k from lvl 46). I could use the 2 kings on her and max her out, but that would waste about 11.5k in XP. I do also have 3 high metals, so with the 2 kings that's 195k in dark XP waiting to be used. That would at least put a dent in what I need for some of the other dark monsters (i.e., Lilith, DDK, or even Persephone). At the stage where I'm at, does it make more sense to max Byakko or level the others? I know earlier it was mentioned to bring all the team members up together which makes Lilith the prime candidate (only lvl 19), but with the shift in my team makeup (i.e., Byakko/Persephone/DDK/Gigas/Ice Samurai Ogre) do I rethink that strategy? (The awakened skills of evo'd Lilith look really good to me tho, so maybe it's worth working on her already.)

Then again, I do plan on rolling on the REM during Godfest and with the Midnight Gala going on at the same time it might be worth waiting in case I get something good that's dark. Bah. I swear, I must be the most irritating member of the group here given my constant "what do I do?" whinings. So sorry, folks. :smallfrown:

Also looks like I won't be stoning for stam for a LONG time as I'm still only rank 65. lol

Jasmine

2014-02-14, 04:49 PM

it might explain why I don't pump out as much damage as expected on say, attacking the demons in a descend XD

Or it could be the ~2200 defense that really makes a Lucifer team cry, pinging with 1's all day :P

Re: Draggie - It should be reasonably easy with a hello kitty leading 4 dub myths. Of course, that's assuming you can GET 4 dub myths, which to me is an even harder task. After 4 weeks running it at 2x, I have a grand total of....dun dun dun TWO!

Re: Stamina - general consensus is 100 stam, yes. You reach 50 at Rank 67, 100 at 167, 150 at 267, 200 at 367 etc. It's linear and pretty easy to remember. That said sometimes throwing stones will be worth it - ie right now I have 4 mons at max level waiting for dub myths or if the Echidna dungeon trolls me the next time around and refuses to drop, as that one monster is preventing me from taking the Tier 6 normals...Personally I've stoned twice for stamina, once to run Two Heroes again (got the wrong drop AGAIN, super pissed), and once to run the gold dragon dungeon 6 more times (very worth it, although my box space hates me)

Re: Awakenings - although you might be itching to unlock them, they're actually very low return on investment. If I remember right, you have 2 liliths - evo both of them and feed one to the other and save the tamadra. However, it's probably not worth it until all your other dudes are level 50, evolved. You'l get more out of the increase in stats than that 500 autoheal.

Re: Godfest/carnival - I'd actually say dark carnival is the WORST for you to roll on. You already have plenty of good dark monsters, what you want is other colors to help you build teams later! You can only use 5 monsters on a team anyways, so having more only gives you more mouths to feed. That said, Horus/Ra/Anubis/Bastet are very strong leads but require a bit (or a lot) more orb skill, and the 5 Norse gods basically function as more offensively oriented Persephones of different colors. Very good godfest for those lacking a leader, but you already have Haku and Persephone...

I know earlier it was mentioned to bring all the team members up together
If you're not using her she's not a team member :P

Kauai

2014-02-14, 05:47 PM

Re: Awakenings - although you might be itching to unlock them, they're actually very low return on investment. If I remember right, you have 2 liliths - evo both of them and feed one to the other and save the tamadra. However, it's probably not worth it until all your other dudes are level 50, evolved. You'l get more out of the increase in stats than that 500 autoheal.

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If you're not using her she's not a team member :P

Yep, I do have 2 Liliths and that's my eventual plan (to feed one to the other after evo). I should clarify my team member comment; I meant that I'm thinking she's not a current team member because of her level, and that maybe she would replace Gigas if she were leveled enough. Not sure if that's the right approach tho. If it is, then shouldn't I dump that 195K of XP into her to bring her past level 30? And if it's not, then is DDK a higher priority than Persephone? They both need about 500K to evolve, so at least I'll be bringing one of them over a third closer.

Re: Godfest/carnival - I'd actually say dark carnival is the WORST for you to roll on. You already have plenty of good dark monsters, what you want is other colors to help you build teams later! You can only use 5 monsters on a team anyways, so having more only gives you more mouths to feed. That said, Horus/Ra/Anubis/Bastet are very strong leads but require a bit (or a lot) more orb skill, and the 5 Norse gods basically function as more offensively oriented Persephones of different colors. Very good godfest for those lacking a leader, but you already have Haku and Persephone...

:smallsigh: You're right, as usual. I think it's the gambler/collector in me that usually overrides good sense, as I really want to go for the new Odin. I'm still missing some key pieces like mermaid, echidna, and vampire, but those don't come from the REM anyway so I guess I should save my stones for either a better godfest (for me) or box space. (I'm kidding myself if I say I won't roll at all, but hopefully I can limit myself to only 2 pulls.)

Jasmine

2014-02-14, 06:27 PM

I meant that I'm thinking she's not a current team member because of her level, and that maybe she would replace Gigas if she were leveled enough.
Lilith is only needed for the poison, and perhaps the RCV (IIRC Persephone and vamp both have very nice rcv though). The first time high def enemies have non trivial amounts of hp are 2heroes(descend), hera (descend), Sea God of Heaven (32nd normal dungeon) and super king dragons. Those are probably the only places you would need a leveled lilith. Heartbreakers are great in case you've only got 2 fire orbs on the board - I'd stay with gigas until you nab a vampire. Castle of Satan - witches ball gives you a chance at vampires, echidnas, and more liliths, so you can run that when you're bored. Terrible drop chances though - I went through 40 times for a single vampire and then I left. Still a good choice, he's been on my team ever since.

They do come from REM, which is nice the first time and eww no every time after that. My friend got all 3 of them that way.

Was bored so took goemon for a spin in endless corridors. Yes, that is a level 46 gigas and a level 19 titan doing 1.4mil/700k damage :P Invest in him!
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Kauai

2014-02-14, 07:14 PM

Lilith is only needed for the poison, and perhaps the RCV (IIRC Persephone and vamp both have very nice rcv though). The first time high def enemies have non trivial amounts of hp are 2heroes(descend), hera (descend), Sea God of Heaven (32nd normal dungeon) and super king dragons. Those are probably the only places you would need a leveled lilith. Heartbreakers are great in case you've only got 2 fire orbs on the board - I'd stay with gigas until you nab a vampire. Castle of Satan - witches ball gives you a chance at vampires, echidnas, and more liliths, so you can run that when you're bored. Terrible drop chances though - I went through 40 times for a single vampire and then I left. Still a good choice, he's been on my team ever since.

They do come from REM, which is nice the first time and eww no every time after that. My friend got all 3 of them that way.

I thought they only come from the Pal Egg Machine? Didn't think they came from the REM. And yeah, I've been doing Castle of Satan Witches Ball and no drops yet. Still crossing my fingers that I'll land a vamp soon. That sure as heck would make it easier to decide where to dump my dark XP, at least for now.

Wow, so Gigas does have long-term utility then. He's a KILLER to level though, but I guess I need to start sometime (should evo-ing him be a goal as well?). I was thinking my first priority was the strawberry dragon followed by Ice Samurai Ogre. I do have Tyrannos too tho, at 35 right now and ready for an evo (not sure if I should do it yet as I won't be able to level him after the evo).

Getting used to the switch to Byakko lead, and when going double Byakko it's pretty awesome. Slowly improving at doing combos (being forced into that to use Byakko properly), and looking forward to not being so hopeless.

The odd thing I'm finding is that I need to start farming some trash to level up my pengdras. I've got a bunch at lvl 1 just sitting in my box waiting to be fed.

Beacon of Chaos

2014-02-14, 07:18 PM

Yeah. King carnival. Man.
I'm not sure what the tone of this post is.

Anyway, I changed my mind and figured it wasn't worth spending a stone for King Carnival... until I remembered that you get a free stone for completing it, so I changed my mind back. Got 4 kings, no supers, but one was gold, so that's cool.

Plus with the left over stamina I ran Friday dungeon again and now I have another Dub-Myth! Woohoo!

So, one for Vampire Lord, and one to uvo Horus. Good times. :smallbiggrin:

Getting used to the switch to Byakko lead, and when going double Byakko it's pretty awesome. Slowly improving at doing combos (being forced into that to use Byakko properly), and looking forward to not being so hopeless.
Aha, yes, that's how I learned too. Horus also helped immensely. :smallwink:

Samuel Sturm

2014-02-14, 09:03 PM

Obryn,I could sure use your Ra for king carnival right now.

obryn

2014-02-14, 09:25 PM

He is there. Whoops!

Samuel Sturm

2014-02-14, 09:50 PM

He is there. Whoops!

Got him, thanks. King carnival is actually pretty easy with a Mastering, 3 colors of nuke ogre, and a bane, plus a powerful auto healer friend.

Erloas

2014-02-14, 11:08 PM

I also stoned to do the Carnival, I wouldn't have had the stamina otherwise. I actually ground out most of it because I was saving my Droidragon in case of a super which never appeared. Not sure if that was worth it without any supers, but oh well.

So I accidentally took my normal team into the expert lit dungeon today. While I came close to dieing once when there were 2 links on turn 2 I managed to survive and take the whole thing.

Levictus

2014-02-14, 11:37 PM

I also stoned to do the Carnival, I wouldn't have had the stamina otherwise. I actually ground out most of it because I was saving my Droidragon in case of a super which never appeared. Not sure if that was worth it without any supers, but oh well.

Droidragon's active skill carries over through rounds unless there is something like a preemptive attack. As long as you could break the 106 hp (or 7777hp for a super), the defence break will never fall.

Its exactly what I did on my run through, stall for shiva, pop skill and just burst through everythings negated defence.

obryn

2014-02-14, 11:43 PM

Yep, carnival was fun. I need 2 more stamina, though. I have 148 max now, and stoning with 48 stamina left is crap.

Erloas

2014-02-14, 11:44 PM

I knew that... I just forgot. Yeah, 106 damage on 2 enemies is easy to reach even with bad orbing and I had my snow globe up to make sure any super didn't survive.

Considering that 2 stamina is only 20 minutes it should be easy to stone, run it twice and have the last 2 regen before the hour is up.

Sometimes I hate this game... I ran the dub-lits about 15 times today between the two accounts and I got a total of 1 dub-myth

Starwulf

2014-02-14, 11:49 PM

I decided to skip the King Carnival, I wasn't able to get on at all today until literally when the carnival showed up, and I need Dub-Myths far more then I need a little bit of exp. Sadly I still only got one dub-myth and I need like 5-6 more, which is...frustrating, to say the least. I'll be running Rainbow Keeper a bunch on Tuesday assuming 2x drop rate is still in effect, I need Dark Keepers out the wazoo, as well as several Red Keepers.

Hmm, Dark Carnival corresponding with the Godfest...sooo, a HUGE chance at a Loki? I can deal with that, he's definitely nice, and I can pair him up with friends that have DD Bats when I can't find a friend who has a Loki to pair with my DD Bats. Still would rather have Bastet or Isis though, would have been nice to have a floral carnival instead of a dark.

Jasmine

2014-02-15, 03:13 AM

I thought they only come from the Pal Egg Machine? Didn't think they came from the REM.

Wow, so Gigas does have long-term utility then. He's a KILLER to level though, but I guess I need to start sometime (should evo-ing him be a goal as well?). I was thinking my first priority was the strawberry dragon followed by Ice Samurai Ogre.

They come from both - PAL only drops unevoed, REM can come in any form and sometimes at level 30.

Most good end game mons are on 4mil/5mil exp curves. Heartbreakers are expensive but they're just that good. You don't have to invest in him yet unless you're using him. If you're using a mon and you plan to be using for him for a while, don't hesitate to throw a bunch of exp onto him. That said, I'd do ogre first just cause he's so cheap to level.

Stoned once for Kings as well, no supers, and 2 were metals. Yuck. Got 2 myths and 1 red out of 7 runs, no invades at all. I guess ult Horus/Titan+ult/Cuchu+ult/DJ + ult/ult Angelion and ult vamp have to wait another 2 weeks. Damn!

Event goes on till next wednesday Starwulf, so you can grab those keepers. And if you by huge chance you mean 3%, sure :P Lots of other good stuff though!

PS: Is anyone doing extreme dragon rush? Those samurai dragons have insane stats (all 5 are in the top 10 weighted), but I also desperately need red exp :\

SiuiS

2014-02-15, 06:14 AM

My alarm failed and I slept through the carnival (つд｀)

obryn

2014-02-15, 10:44 AM

Considering that 2 stamina is only 20 minutes it should be easy to stone, run it twice and have the last 2 regen before the hour is up.
Yeah, that's what I did. But I'd rather have run it 3 times, stoned, run it 3 times, stoned, etc. :smallbiggrin:

Extreme Dragon Rush is pretty fun, too, and not at all hard for the team I'm bringing.

Trifruits, though, I'm like 1 for 5. I could stone to win - and I would if a tamadra dropped on 3 - but I'm not spending a stone on evo materials for things I don't use anyway. :smallsmile:

SiuiS

2014-02-15, 10:53 AM

Levictus

2014-02-15, 05:00 PM

I'm personally opting out of Extreme Rush, I'm putting everything I have into improving upon my Kirin team to run the upcoming twinlits.

On a side note, I'll put luci up now!

Beacon of Chaos

2014-02-15, 05:04 PM

Extreme dragon rush is hard. Expert is fine, but moving up to master quickly enters "this isn't happening" territory. I think when Levi brings Luci back online I'll try quad HP leads, 3x RK, and... I dunno. Poison won't work, static damage won't work, and armor break with on 2x dark attack leaves me vulnerable to "I have a quarter of my million hp so now I keel joo mang".

Man. Suggestions? :smalleek:
I just took Lucifer into EDR Master. Oof!

Was able to grind away merrily against Hideyoshi and Nebradisk, took out Laphroaig with a Morning Star before he could bind me, had to gravity/star Adamant because his defence was way too high for me...

And then died to a preemptive attack from Pterados. XD

Seeing as how I didn't even get any drops, I figured I'd leave it there.

SiuiS

2014-02-15, 05:18 PM

I'm personally opting out of Extreme Rush, I'm putting everything I have into improving upon my Kirin team to run the upcoming twinlits.

On a side note, I'll put luci up now!

I might try again (with vampire over batman because vampire doesn't suck and I won't heal back from a 1-count 34,000 anyway), but I tried with 4x hp, poison and defense break. About the time I got to Antikythera and saw the pre-emotive shield and then took several 11kish hits in a row with no hearts? Didn't have a chance.

Erloas

2014-02-15, 06:29 PM

Well I ran extreme dragon rush 5 times today, the first 2 runs I got D'spinas to drop as the end boss on both accounts and nothing since then. I already had him on both accounts too, at least it is final evo version so I can go straight to awakening. All on expert mode, which is really easy. But if SiuiS is having trouble on Master I'm not even going to try.

SiuiS

2014-02-15, 06:44 PM

Starwulf

2014-02-15, 11:56 PM

Well, I got another water monster(Shardran) and Freyja. Wish it had been Bastet, but Frejya still has uses, so I'm content ^^ Shardran will be a side project to finish, solely for the dual resists, nothing I"m going to concentrate on right now.

tyckspoon

2014-02-16, 01:02 AM

One roll because why not. Red Sonia. That'll do, REM. That'll do.

obryn

2014-02-16, 01:08 AM

One roll because why not. Red Sonia. That'll do, REM. That'll do.
O.O

Yep.

I pulled 5 times. 3 gold, but first was Vritra. Again. The second was I&I, which I'm stoked about since I finally have a better monoblue god now. The third was ... I&I. :smallsigh:

Starwulf

2014-02-16, 01:38 AM

Wondering if I could manage to complete 5 full challenge dungeons before tomorrow night, lol. Would like to try for one of the Egyptian gods(again, Isis or Bastet most preferably).

Actually, a question: Is Anubis good for tri-color dungeons? I mean, he himself would put out NO damage, but given the high frequency of 10+ combos due to massive cascades in tri-colors, it seems like dual Anubis with 4 strong red/blue/green creatures(or better yet, dual color for all 4) could be incredibly powerful.

Kauai

2014-02-16, 04:02 AM

Starwulf

2014-02-16, 05:43 AM

So of course I couldn't resist pulling, and I haven't gotten any gods. I did get Hatsume no Tsubone tho; is she worth leveling? I have 2 king sapphire dragons and 8 evolved blue pengdras ready to feed, so I can max her out immediately (need 2 divine indigo masks to evo her tho).

I was just looking at Hatsume the other day when I was considering(and did) rolling during the Water Carnival. She's actually a GREAT pairing with L.Meta due to giving 1.5x to HP/ATK/RCV. A healer girl team is already going to have wickedly high RCV, a 1.5x modifier to it is likely going to make it so a single 1x3 Heart orb will restore 5-7k HP. To be honest, Hatsume was my third most hoped for roll, behind Isis and the god I did get, I&I.

Beacon of Chaos

2014-02-16, 05:56 AM

The spoils of today's Godfest are:

Tiamat
Isis
Mystic Dark Knight
Loki
Gryps Rider Finn
Vampire
Thanatos

Well I'm very happy with Loki, Isis is cool, even though I doubt she'll see much use since I have Horus, and I can keep Thanatos for low cost dungeons. Are Tiamat or Finn any good?

Still no Bastet, but overall a good fest. I think I won't roll during Dark carnival anymore though. I have plenty of dark monsters now.

Special thanks to SiuiS, who paid for most of the stones I used. :3

obryn

2014-02-16, 11:38 AM

Actually, a question: Is Anubis good for tri-color dungeons? I mean, he himself would put out NO damage, but given the high frequency of 10+ combos due to massive cascades in tri-colors, it seems like dual Anubis with 4 strong red/blue/green creatures(or better yet, dual color for all 4) could be incredibly powerful.
Oh yes. Especially his Dark/Light form, at which point he's Super Robin.

So of course I couldn't resist pulling, and I haven't gotten any gods. I did get Hatsume no Tsubone tho; is she worth leveling? I have 2 king sapphire dragons and 8 evolved blue pengdras ready to feed, so I can max her out immediately (need 2 divine indigo masks to evo her tho).
Yep, she's good especially if you have the right monocolor team. I wish I had some high ninjas...

The spoils of today's Godfest are:

Tiamat
Isis
Mystic Dark Knight
Loki
Gryps Rider Finn
Vampire
Thanatos

Well I'm very happy with Loki, Isis is cool, even though I doubt she'll see much use since I have Horus, and I can keep Thanatos for low cost dungeons. Are Tiamat or Finn any good?

Still no Bastet, but overall a good fest. I think I won't roll during Dark carnival anymore though. I have plenty of dark monsters now.

Special thanks to SiuiS, who paid for most of the stones I used. :3
Nice!!

Give Isis a try; she's easier than Horus for lazyfarming.

Loki is awesome for monodark, especially with a few Awakenings.

Finn ... keep him, definitely. If you get Dark Metatron, you'll be thrilled. He's good on monodark, too, again with awakenings.

Tiamat is ... well, (broken record time) she has two more dark row enhance awakenings. So you're looking at a killer monodark team.

Marade

2014-02-16, 11:42 AM

Woo!

Today was a good day. :)

Did one REM pull and got Ra, and then ran Twinlits (albeit with a few stones too many) and got two Angelits! So now I've got my F/L Horus at last. :)

ID: 336,591,221

Erloas

2014-02-16, 12:18 PM

I got some good pulls. Vritra and angle and shandron on the horus account. Yes the angel I've been waiting forever for. And the last of the RGB toy dragons. Vritra is who I needed someone else with to run with horus, but he'll make a good leader on his own.

I&I and Thanatos on the other. At least it was the final form of Thanatos, so that saves some effort. And I can make a reasonable mono blue team now, especially with the snow globe on the other account.

So not exactly what I wanted but pretty good. Disappointed no one managed to pull Bastet.

Beacon of Chaos

2014-02-16, 01:10 PM

Ahh, I love Metal Dragon Dungeon on a x2 King day. Fed 3 kings to Lucifer and got a Great! level 45 to 54. :smallcool:

Nice!!

Give Isis a try; she's easier than Horus for lazyfarming.

Loki is awesome for monodark, especially with a few Awakenings.

Finn ... keep him, definitely. If you get Dark Metatron, you'll be thrilled. He's good on monodark, too, again with awakenings.

Tiamat is ... well, (broken record time) she has two more dark row enhance awakenings. So you're looking at a killer monodark team.
Mono-dark was always going to be my best mono team, now it will be so much better. I mean, I'm now looking at, what, 5 dark row awakenings?

Hey! I now have a use for all those Tamadras! :smallbiggrin:

Woo!

Today was a good day. :)

Did one REM pull and got Ra, and then ran Twinlits (albeit with a few stones too many) and got two Angelits! So now I've got my F/L Horus at last. :)

ID: 336,591,221
Welcome and congrats! What team did you take against Twinlits?

Marade

2014-02-16, 01:30 PM

Welcome and congrats! What team did you take against Twinlits?

I ran:

Horus
B/L Valk
Susano no Mikoto
Hera
Orochi
F/F horus

Had to use a few stones on the Twinlits due to not quite enough burst.

Aramul

2014-02-16, 03:06 PM

Well, I pulled the REM handle a few times. Picked up an Isis on my Genbu account and an Odin on my Haku account. Next to what will be my dragon team, Isis doesn't look that useful, especially given the current overlap in the team members. Odin I wish I had gotten on the other account, but I'll just stick him in as a friend when I want to side him in, so no big deal.

I also received a Fairlion, Toyceratops, Machine Golem II and a Basilisk. Are any of these worthwhile?

SiuiS

2014-02-16, 03:09 PM

Gave the one armed bandit a pull.

Got a dark golem.

Yaaaaaay.

E: you have a Fairlion? I hate you with jealousy beyond knowing.

Aramul

2014-02-16, 03:21 PM

E: you have a Fairlion? I hate you with jealousy beyond knowing.
Haha, is it any good, or do you just want to collect it? It doesn't seem to stand up next to the much easier to get (and my already leveled) Holy Dragon.

tyckspoon

2014-02-16, 03:39 PM

Haha, is it any good, or do you just want to collect it? It doesn't seem to stand up next to the much easier to get (and my already leveled) Holy Dragon.

Heart maker and its final evo gains Healer type, which makes it a valuable member in Light teams and Healer teams. Also resist leader, which is a niche skill but really valuable when it applies. All of the toy dragons are like that- don't get rid of any of them.

SiuiS

2014-02-16, 04:06 PM

Haha, is it any good, or do you just want to collect it? It doesn't seem to stand up next to the much easier to get (and my already leveled) Holy Dragon.

Farlion is a healer type heart maker in LG at max Evo, that when combined with Metatron (LL healer), Valkyrie (LG heart breaker), king shynee (L healer) and either echidna (RR healer with high attack) or Venus (LL healer with change the world), and another Metatron or Valkyrie as friend leader, I can take my 10.5x minimum multiplier, use king shynee to boost that to minimum 31x damage and turn the entire board into light for a possible 5 million damage spike.

I want fairlio so bad I blew fifteen stones off godfest during Heaven's Gala because I need him to make my team work at all. I am honestly and legitimately envious of the advances you've made towards high-end content teams.

Levictus

2014-02-16, 04:23 PM

Aramul

2014-02-16, 04:47 PM

Alright I need somebody good at math. I ran twinlits and way overshot on myths (I'm actually not sure how to take them out, which is why I need somebody good at math!)

http://i.imgur.com/wJ3PbWZ.jpeg
along with friend Bastet
hp:2992
atk:1108
rcu:682

I realized that I have a minimum of 8 attacks on a kirin combo. The floor is composed of 3 mythlits (hp: 75900), Rubylit (hp:16484), Sapphilit (hp:17111), Emelit (hp:17733), and topalit (hp:18356).

If I hit a perfect 3x4 Kirin combo, I'm going to have 8 attacks which I fear will destroy the entire floor (or will it leave one left?) So I guess the question is, do I have any chance of killing 2 mythlits and the other 4 various lits? I assume it would all come down to board luck, which I hate to rely on.
Your total multiplier is 5 (kirin) * 2.5 (bastet) * 1.75 (4 combo) = 21.875

Your four non-light main attacks should easily clear the four non-mythlits. You have 2 light attacks and 2 sub attacks going at the 3 mythlits. The subs do 8347.5 wood and 7560 fire, not enough to clear the Sapphilit or the Emelit alone, and not enough to make a dent on the Mythlits. Your light attacks do 28940 and 25200, pre-elemental weakness. Neither is enough to kill a Mythlit alone.

You should end up with 2 remaining Mythlits with a basic 3x4. Much more could cause your sub elements to overwhelm the basic lits and move several extra attacks to the Mythlits.

That is, assuming I did the math right.

Edit: Missed Lilith not attacking. Jasmine, below, is correct.

Jasmine

2014-02-16, 04:54 PM

friend Bastet
atk:1108
The floor is composed of 3 mythlits (hp: 75900), Rubylit (hp:16484), Sapphilit (hp:17111), Emelit (hp:17733), and topalit (hp:18356).

5*2.5*1.75 = 21.875x
=28940 light kirin
25200 light valk
7560 green valk
17959 red echidna
0 dark lilith (no dark match)
27925 blue sieg
8347 red sieg
25237 green bastet
7271 light bastet

Firing with AI, Kirin + Valk will kill 1 myth, Valk will injure the blue, Echidna will kill the green, Lilith will not attack, sieg will kill the red and finish the blue, bastet will kill the light and ping a myth. You should have 1 full myth and 1 myth at 3/4 health remaining.

Did you do the minimum 4 combo and still overshot? I don't think I did anything wrong :\

Levictus

2014-02-16, 05:07 PM

Did you do the minimum 4 combo and still overshot? I don't think I did anything wrong :\

Nah, there was an extra dark combo and a skyfall that screwed up my run this morning, I suppose I was just panicing about the run I'm about to do in about an hour and a half.

I guess my followup, would an extra heart combo help to clear all but one myth? or would it annhilate?

*sorry for my inability to do the maths

Jasmine

2014-02-16, 05:13 PM

Nah, there was an extra dark combo and a skyfall that screwed up my run this morning, I suppose I was just panicing about the run I'm about to do in about an hour and a half.

I guess my followup, would an extra heart combo help to clear all but one myth? or would it annhilate?

Valk would sub kill the blue, but sieg sub will end up hitting the light instead of finishing the blue, but Bastet would finish light off regardless of siegs help. Only difference would be 9971 light damage to one of the remaining myths instead of 7271.

You had a dark AND more cascades right? 1 match of 5 colors should be perfect - leftover damage is sieg sub red, and both of bastets attacks, which should be just enough to leave only 1 myth alive. Having a Ra-able board, on the other hand...

Erloas

2014-02-16, 05:15 PM

So my other account only needed 1 more stone for another pull and I had one challenge mode dungeon that only needed 1 more clear. It was a 5 stamina dungeon and I had 5 stamina left. I realized after I got done that I had forgot to enter it in challenge mode...
Oh well, still plenty of time to do it later.

The dragon plant invade was nice, but obviously the way it works the account that I had plenty of plants but need a lot of seeds (I could use 8 more right now) got a lot more plants.

SiuiS

2014-02-16, 05:35 PM

Dragon plant invade? Dang! I lost the notice in the alert metal dragon ones...

And I haven't prepared for Hera-is at all... Sigh. I would like to try storming the castle with Metatron, but I don't have the sheer output for it yet. I would have to bring siren and a drops, and that's just not working. Byakko team hasn't moved because it needs Hera-is, too, and there's no way to turtle through because I don't have my own lucifer.

Ah well. She'll be back. And I'll be ready. Eventually.

Erloas

2014-02-16, 06:26 PM

So I got the stone and make the pull... genie, again. I guess it will be an awakening, but genie's awakenings aren't all that great anyway. I knew I should have just called it good on both accounts after getting a god on them, never going to be lucky enough to pull 2 gods that close together.

Starwulf

2014-02-16, 07:41 PM

Booo! Got done enough dungeons to get 5 more stones(The new Dragon Plant invasion really helped, otherwise I'd be going down to the wire to get a 5th one done), rolled and.....Grape Dragon. Bleck.

obryn

2014-02-16, 08:52 PM

Booo! Got done enough dungeons to get 5 more stones(The new Dragon Plant invasion really helped, otherwise I'd be going down to the wire to get a 5th one done), rolled and.....Grape Dragon. Bleck.
Once they get enough tamas, fruit dragons are insanely good mono-color subs.

You need to pay a tax for two resists, but after then it's all great. Move time enhancer, two orb enhances (40%), two skill boosts, and two row enhances, which are basically how monocolor teams win descends these days.

I got a strawberry dragon and a lemon dragon; I ain't complaining.

Starwulf

2014-02-16, 09:01 PM

Once they get enough tamas, fruit dragons are insanely good mono-color subs.

You need to pay a tax for two resists, but after then it's all great. Move time enhancer, two orb enhances (40%), two skill boosts, and two row enhances, which are basically how monocolor teams win descends these days.

I got a strawberry dragon and a lemon dragon; I ain't complaining.

Holy crap!!! They have like 9 freaking Awoken skills. That's...that's insanity! LOL. Alright, I can see where it will have it's uses in the future then :)

So, just had a fantastically wonderful moment in a Metal Dragon dungeon! King Metal, regular metal, Tamadra. Regular Metal dies, no egg! I squealed like a little girl, then squealed some more when the Tamadra dropped! After tomorrows Final Tamadra gift, my Voice of God Metatron will have 3 out of 5 awoken skills(auto-heal, 2x resist bind. Last two are Auto-recover Bind and Skill Boost).

Better yet, I've gained 3 ranks this weekend due to actually sitting down and playing a good deal, both challenge dungeons for stones and weekend dungeons when I knew I was close enough to level to reset my stamina to full. Quite happy, just need 2-3 more Team cost and then I can safely Ult.Evo my Blazing Valk. Voice of God is also level 50 now, not to shabby, only member not there now is my Angelion.

also got 4x King metals out of 5 runs, fed them all to one of my new Hera's and she's now 40+(can't remember if she's 41 or 42, lol), just need about 300k more exp and I can evo her.

Oooh Oooh, AND I have Ocean of Heaven open now, LOL. Because I was grinding for stones, I realized I only had two dungeons left in Tower to the Sky, so I took my DD Bats team in(I'm really starting to love that team, it's insanely fun, and effective, and virtually unkillable, especially with a loki) and finished it up.

Erloas

2014-02-16, 10:55 PM

I have no doubt the fruit dragons become strong, but it is one heck of an investment to get them there. Exp isn't too bad, but unless these Tamadra gifts become more common it is going to be a long time time before they get to the useful stage. White/Black have a better 3rd awakening then the RGB ones.

Is there any indication when Vritra and Indra will get the update to their skill to god/dragon instead of just dragon?

I think I have Yomi to a level where she will stay for a while (70), so I'm trying to decide on the next black to focus on. Lilith and the Vampire lord are really close to their final evo, but not sure if they are worth pushing up after evo or not. Also have Vritra, Hattori Hanzo, Moondragon D'spinas, Apple Drawn, and Devil Dragon (actually 4, to awaken). They all have their uses but not really a "right now" use.

Starwulf

2014-02-17, 12:00 AM

Kauai

2014-02-17, 12:47 AM

Holy crap, a vampire finally dropped for me in Castle of Satan Witches Ball! Very happy right now. Have enough things in storage to max level him, but need several violet demon masks to evo him.

Also couldn't resist pulling the REM a couple more times (I think I need help lol). Pulled 4 more times, and managed to get Fenrir Knight, Highlander, Cu Chulainn the Green Lancer (at least Highlander can feed him I guess lol), and Odin the War Deity. FINALLY got an Odin (albeit not the one I was hoping for, but still). And now I'm back in the same place of not knowing what the heck to do with these guys. lol I had a great road map laid out by many of you here, but I'm not sure what to build around Blue Odin.

Finally got to rank 70 which added 5 more team cost. I thought that would help me but it actually didn't do anything yet. lol (Was going to level and evo my strawberry dragon till I saw that the team cost for it will go from 20 to 35, which I don't think I can accommodate yet.)

SiuiS

2014-02-17, 01:16 AM

Blue Odin is a stat stick for blue, dark and physical teams. He's nice but not mandatory.

Vampire is solid for dark teams. You have room for him on Byakko team if I recall? Otherwise, you can stay the course. Just be careful! I dumped all my resources into Metatron, and realized I don't have the team improvements to take Hera-Is anymore because I used them on metatron! XD

Team cost: cheat! The power you get from leader skill boosts usually beats the power of stronger monsters. I went through most of the normal game relying on a green team, and I had both a demon and a knight as my main fighting force, along with an ogre. They're weak compared to what I have now – heartbreakers, gods, skilled up guys with average 2k HP each – but I still remember when Obryn telling me to snag some dragon fruits was the smartest advice I had.

Byakko, R dub, B dub, and 2x dark mons is good enough to get you where you need to go. Don't sweat team costs yet, just out in your time with dragons of the tower and you'll be alright :smallsmile:

Jasmine

2014-02-17, 02:38 AM

So, for those of you who are attempting(or just are) to go after Hera-Is tomorrow, what's your strategy?
I beat her last time with double luci/hera/rk/rk/siren, took 2 rocks (and 2 hours) but they were entirely preventable. Horus/echidna/greenbluelight(droid+light?, valk + blue?)/hera might be possible, but you'd have to do ~300k damage for 4 turns (so like 6-7 combo per turn). Even a buff cuchu or green heavy dragon team could do it, but it might be riskier and you'd need to put out solid damage. With those, getting to her might be the hard part - balance 27x burst would be super effective and one nice combo would OHKO her.

Godin/DJ or Godin/Neptune seems to be the safest way, but you'll probably have to heal manually every turn, so it won't be as brainless as Hera...

Also, NOBLE MECHDRAGON! This dungeon is literally made for DD Bats ^^ It's going to be a breeze cutting through the entire thing.
Light chasers are skillups for your Light metas, for you lucky people out there. Prob rare though.

@Kauai
Congrats on the vamp, as well as the odin and the other 2 useful subs. You have the start of a good water team, but I believe Bodin is 50? cost when evolved, so he'll be a seriously long term project. Cuchu is a pretty good farming leader, but I don't think you have good subs for him yet, and he's useless on Haku and Persephone teams (he does work great on Genbu, but she's kinda the weaker sister of Haku...). Fenrir is the blue one right? He'll be good on Bodins team later, when you have something closer to 150 team cost... I don't remember what other greens you have so feeding cuchu should be okay, but I'd evo and level megalordran to at least 50 before working on Bodin. Bodin does have the honor of currently having the highest weighted stats of any monster in the game, so...he'll be great later (when you can handle 50 cost that is)! Kinda wish I could roll with you guys, but all my stones went into box space...x.x

PS: Once you ult evo vampire and catch an echidna, echidna can take r/b ogres place as vampire will be d/b :)

SiuiS

2014-02-17, 03:01 AM

Hmm. Turns out I have a fantastic Balanced team, almost, one that could take Hera-Is.

Does Parvati have access to her ult-Evo yet? G/R balanced Parvati would be a fantastic segue into a type team.

Kauai

2014-02-17, 03:38 AM

Vampire is solid for dark teams. You have room for him on Byakko team if I recall? Otherwise, you can stay the course. Just be careful! I dumped all my resources into Metatron, and realized I don't have the team improvements to take Hera-Is anymore because I used them on metatron! XD
...
Byakko, R dub, B dub, and 2x dark mons is good enough to get you where you need to go. Don't sweat team costs yet, just out in your time with dragons of the tower and you'll be alright :smallsmile:

Siuis, actually I have enough team cost to run an okay team (at least for now). Right now it's Byakko (max lvl)/Persephone (31)/DDK (30)/Gigas (30)/Ice Samurai Ogre (max lvl). Been contemplating whether to add an RK somehow to the mix for the stat boost, but I wouldn't know who to remove from the team. And yep, been running Dragons of the Tower to keep the slow and steady climbing of ranks! :smallsmile:

@Kauai
Congrats on the vamp, as well as the odin and the other 2 useful subs. You have the start of a good water team, but I believe Bodin is 50? cost when evolved, so he'll be a seriously long term project. Cuchu is a pretty good farming leader, but I don't think you have good subs for him yet, and he's useless on Haku and Persephone teams (he does work great on Genbu, but she's kinda the weaker sister of Haku...). Fenrir is the blue one right? He'll be good on Bodins team later, when you have something closer to 150 team cost... I don't remember what other greens you have so feeding cuchu should be okay, but I'd evo and level megalordran to at least 50 before working on Bodin. Bodin does have the honor of currently having the highest weighted stats of any monster in the game, so...he'll be great later (when you can handle 50 cost that is)! Kinda wish I could roll with you guys, but all my stones went into box space...x.x

Thanks, Jasmine. (Forgot to mention that I also managed to pull Ra, but it's going to be a long time till I'll be able to activate him. Still don't have the game skills.) Unfortunately I did dump a bunch of my blue resources into Bodin, which got him to lvl 30. I didn't even realize his team cost jumps up so high! Gonna follow your advice and hold off working on him any further. Fenrir is indeed the blue one. I just need a dubmyth and I'll be able to evo Shardran, so hopefully that will happen soon and I can continue leveling him up.

As for green subs, other than Genbu and CuChu the only others worth mentioning would probably be baby Fafnir (i.e., still dragonette form), green dragon, melon dragon, Mandrake and My Melody. So no semblance of a green team, methinks.

PS: Once you ult evo vampire and catch an echidna, echidna can take r/b ogres place as vampire will be d/b :)

Yep, the vampire is my current project (at least for dark monsters). I'm thinking he'll eventually be Gigas' replacement on my Byakko team, right? It looks as though I shouldn't do the swap yet, as even at max lvl the basic vampire doesn't have very good stats. I plan to do the swap once I evo and level him up tho. And the darn echidna (well, and mermaid for that matter) is still eluding me! (Was SO happy to land the vampire; it was the first time he ever even appeared for me and thankfully he's the egg that dropped.)

SiuiS

2014-02-17, 03:52 AM

Basic vamp's stats are ungodly terrible. It's funny because during the section of the game those stats are good, you can't get him without a pal pull!

Do an attribute comparison; does RK exceed persephone's attacl and HP? Would you have enough RCV afterwards? How about Gigas? If you have RB Ogre, then you can replace Gigas until Gigas is leveled enough.

Having a predominantly dark mixture means you are 90% monodark, and get those benefits, until you save orbs for spikes of damage. :3

Jasmine

2014-02-17, 04:34 AM

Been contemplating whether to add an RK somehow to the mix for the stat boost, but I wouldn't know who to remove from the team.
You want as much dark as possible, since you have orb changes to dark. Kick out gigas.

Ra
Well, once you get good enough, you can pretty much beat everything with him :P

I just need a dubmyth
As you can see from the thread title, you're going to be needing a lot of these things...

So no semblance of a green team, methinks.
You're actually reasonably close. Cuchu/ADK/Ult Alraune(or Ult Fafnir, Ult Lil green)/My Melody/King Green Slime would be a pretty killer team. Mystic green knights come around in a special dungeon once in a while, or drop from Hera/REM (less reliable). The ult alruane/dragons evo materials are...pretty hard to get (twinlits and trifruits that we were discussing earlier). If you haven't fed away the highlander yet, he's a solid sub for himself until you get something better, and then he could be fed for an awakening...

And the darn echidna is still eluding me!
She's still eluding me too, and I've been hunting on and off for her since rank 29. Nice on the Vamp, I saw him 4 times before he dropped. Start skilling him up with big baddies when you have the time. It's going to be frustrating, but he's probably going to be the 3rd easiest 'permanently useful' mon to skill up (behind siren/megalodran and titan) 5 turn CD is so much better than 11 turn CD!

I'd say you're pretty much set on lineup for normal dungeons, Byakko/Echidna/Persephone/DDK/Vampire. You can put in 1 or 2 RKs if your orb changers are still weak. Eventually you'll want to grab a few Hera/Herais from their descends to help take on other descends. That's where your green melon dragon will have time to shine :)

Starwulf

2014-02-17, 04:43 AM

Godin/DJ or Godin/Neptune seems to be the safest way, but you'll probably have to heal manually every turn, so it won't be as brainless as Hera...

Hmm, So, my Fully Awokened Odin as lead, a friends DJ, and then....the same set-up as I used on the Original Hera? Might even work better since it's all water and dark type monsters, so Mitsune the Flame Fox combined with my Ult.Evo Cuchlu for massive green spike damage, and Angel for 1k auto-heal on top of my Odins 500. For my fourth......Zeal? Just so I can convert Fire orbs into Wood orbs when my Mitsune/Cuchlu combo isn't ready. Or maybe Flowerdragon Gaia Brachys for the 30k spike damage...or hey, maybe Susano for his defense boost? Or should I say screw the second Green monster and go with my new Hera for the gravity?

Seems like the absolute hardest part would be surviving that first round against the 1-turn attacking Demons. If I can survive them, shouldn't be to horribly rough from then on out, just a slog.

SiuiS

2014-02-17, 04:51 AM

She's still eluding me too, and I've been hunting on and off for her since rank 29.

My unicorn is Cupid/angel/archangel. I've been trying since forever, and now they have a dungeon which might spawn chasers, too! Huzzah!

Hmm, So, my Fully Awokened Odin as lead, a friends DJ, and then....the same set-up as I used on the Original Hera? Might even work better since it's all water and dark type monsters, so Mitsune the Flame Fox combined with my Ult.Evo Cuchlu for massive green spike damage, and Angel for 1k auto-heal on top of my Odins 500. For my fourth......Zeal? Just so I can convert Fire orbs into Wood orbs when my Mitsune/Cuchlu combo isn't ready. Or maybe Flowerdragon Gaia Brachys for the 30k spike damage...or hey, maybe Susano for his defense boost? Or should I say screw the second Green monster and go with my new Hera for the gravity?

One problem. Dark dragon sneezes for 64k, which is still 13k after Odin. Plus all the green binds, plus getting kicked for a 5-man bind against Hera, plus she starts doing somersaults of murder after a certain HP threshold that still leaves her with hundreds of thousands of HP...

That said, I've now convinced myself while talking to you XD
A wood team might be a solid investment for this, plus it's one I actually have access too... Parvati//Odin, Highlander, Zeal, Asgard, King Woodsie? Everyone on the team is balanced except Asgard and Parvati, so an extra 3x multiplier on the heavy hitters (and woodsie) could work...

But then, Vampire//Odin, 2x Hera, RK and Siren would work too if 13k is my limit...

Jasmine

2014-02-17, 04:56 AM

Hmm, So, my Fully Awokened Odin as lead, a friends DJ, and then....the same set-up as I used on the Original Hera? Might even work better since it's all water and dark type monsters, so Mitsune the Flame Fox combined with my Ult.Evo Cuchlu for massive green spike damage, and Angel for 1k auto-heal on top of my Odins 500. For my fourth......Zeal? Just so I can convert Fire orbs into Wood orbs when my Mitsune/Cuchlu combo isn't ready. Or maybe Flowerdragon Gaia Brachys for the 30k spike damage...or hey, maybe Susano for his defense boost? Or should I say screw the second Green monster and go with my new Hera for the gravity?

Go with a B/D Neptune friend, the higher stats along with the 5x damage poison will make your life so much easier. I'd take some combination of Siren/Echidna/AA/Hera/RK/Susano. You are going to want to stay alive more dealing spikes. Remember you will need to manually heal every turn against Hera (she multihits 75% of the time). Do you have any monsters with blue resist awakenings? She does just a smidge more than 1500 with normal attacks, if you had 1 extra awakening that may save you heart orbs whenever she doesn't use multi hits...

One problem. Dark dragon sneezes for 64k, which is still 13k after Odin.
DJ/Neptune both halve damage from dark as well as blue :) They're made for this dungeon!

Starwulf

2014-02-17, 05:00 AM

My unicorn is Cupid/angel/archangel. I've been trying since forever, and now they have a dungeon which might spawn chasers, too! Huzzah!

One problem. Dark dragon sneezes for 64k, which is still 13k after Odin. Plus all the green binds, plus getting kicked for a 5-man bind against Hera, plus she starts doing somersaults of murder after a certain HP threshold that still leaves her with hundreds of thousands of HP...

That said, I've now convinced myself while talking to you XD
A wood team might be a solid investment for this, plus it's one I actually have access too... Parvati//Odin, Highlander, Zeal, Asgard, King Woodsie? Everyone on the team is balanced except Asgard and Parvati, so an extra 3x multiplier on the heavy hitters (and woodsie) could work...

But then, Vampire//Odin, 2x Hera, RK and Siren would work too if 13k is my limit...

With Odin/DJ leads, it would actually only be 6400 damage, which is still pretty nasty, but entirely survivable, and with a 2 turn cooldown, and two heart-makers(Mitsune and DJ), should be able to stay alive.

Hmm, a full on Wood Team....I sadly don't have any Wood multiplier monsters, just my Zeal(Oddly enough I could field 2 Dragon type monsters that are green with him: Top DroidDragon and Flowerdragon Gaia Brachys), so I couldn't go a strict wood team. I could throw HLD and CDD though and take a second Zeal and have 9x Multiplier with a total of 4 green monsters and a Light & Dark one.

Sigh, I'd really like to give her a go, but I just don't see any way of taking her out, I mean 2x Horus is almost feasible, but not quite, don't see myself being able to burst out 1.8mil HP in 4 turns(assuming I bring Echidna and menace her) before she one-shots me.

Go with a B/D Neptune friend, the higher stats along with the 5x damage poison will make your life so much easier. I'd take some combination of Siren/Echidna/AA/Hera/RK/Susano. You are going to want to stay alive more dealing spikes. Remember you will need to manually heal every turn against Hera (she multihits 75% of the time). Do you have any monsters with blue resist awakenings? She does just a smidge more than 1500 with normal attacks, if you had 1 extra awakening that may save you heart orbs whenever she doesn't use multi hits...

DJ/Neptune both halve damage from dark as well as blue :) They're made for this dungeon!

Sadly, I don't think I have ANY B/D Neptune friends. I have a B/L one, and 1 or 2 regular, but no B/D sadly. That poison would be freaking nice though, especially against her.

By AA Do you mean Archangel Lucifer? Or someone else? And RK? Neither of those seem to be ringing any bells inside my head for monsters I might have with those initials, lol.

Upon further consideration, does AA Mean plain old Archangel? LOL. In which case, yes, I do have her, obviously ^^

EDIT: Am I the only one who thinks it's absolutely ludicrous that both the Mythical and Legend rank of this dungeon cost 50 stamina/ Shouldn't the Mythical be 40 stamina cost? Makes no sense to me whatsoever.

SiuiS

2014-02-17, 05:15 AM

DJ/Neptune both halve damage from dark as well as blue :) They're made for this dungeon!

Truth. I've not had access to one so I forget about them :smallredface:

With Odin/DJ leads, it would actually only be 6400 damage, which is still pretty nasty, but entirely survivable, and with a 2 turn cooldown, and two heart-makers(Mitsune and DJ), should be able to stay alive.

Trade offs. Without at least 2x attack lead, you're sitting on a much higher chance of a nose dive on the first floor. You're also definitely not going to spike damage anything, because without that attack boost you'll need all those hearts to survive being kicked in the face; 18,164 is still going to be around 4500 a turn.

My biggest problem though is if I don't bring an HP multiplier, then I need more Hp from monsters and need to swap out Lilith and Hera for RK, severely impacting my damage. And in all honesty, that's suicide; a two hour fight with an 75% chance of survival each round is much crappier odds than a one hour fight at 50/50...

Although I wouldn't need siren, would I? DJ is a heart maker... So DJ//GOdin, double Hera and double RK would still be sitting pretty at 10.5k minimum plus Odin... Crazy dangerous though, and no RCV boost so I don't have confidence in my ability to heal 10k every round, and I can't afford to bring Lilith, I don't think...

Hmm, a full on Wood Team....

Double check. Most good wood mons are already Balanced Type (including GOdin), so king woodsie will do enough. Zeal, busty Parvati, cuchulain, robin, busty susano, Fortoytops...

But yeah. I think our best bet is a safe turtle strategy. I wonder if that's the descend where I started with my hash tags?

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Starwulf

2014-02-17, 05:25 AM

Double check. Most good wood mons are already Balanced Type (including GOdin), so king woodsie will do enough. Zeal, busty Parvati, cuchulain, robin, busty susano, Fortoytops...

But yeah. I think our best bet is a safe turtle strategy. I wonder if that's the descend where I started with my hash tags?

Sadly, no King woodsie, I haven't managed to grab a King Emerald dragon lately, so my Big Woodsie is sitting at max level waiting to be evoed, lol.. Otherwise that would probably have been a GREAT Idea(Dual Cuchlus, with Odin, Susano, Zeal, and if I had 1 more team cost and my woodsie was evolved, King Woodsie). Total HP 10k with 5199 green attack and susano's beautiful damage reduction. I guess that's my new goal now, to get my Big woodsie evolved and 1 more team cost, lol. Best of all, Odin is immune to bind, with 2x Skill boost and 500 HP recovery, Zeal gives Enhanced Wood orbs, and maybe by the time this dungeon rolls around again i can give Cuchlu 2 tamadra and get another Enhanced wood Orb ^^

Oh, and since it's likely to be missed from the edit on my last post: What's up with both Myth/Legend costing 50 stamina? Shouldn't the myth be 40 since it has less chance of dropping?

Anyways, i'll be leaving my GrOdin up overnight, he's fully awoken so if anyone wants to use him to give this dungeon a go, he's pretty awesome(level 86!)

SiuiS

2014-02-17, 05:38 AM

Robin has better stats and a literal constant +20% for balanced, so there's that instead of woodsie.

Oh, and since it's likely to be missed from the edit on my last post: What's up with both Myth/Legend costing 50 stamina? Shouldn't the myth be 40 since it has less chance of dropping?

No idea.

Anyways, i'll be leaving my GrOdin up overnight, he's fully awoken so if anyone wants to use him to give this dungeon a go, he's pretty awesome(level 86!)

I might give it a go... We'll see :3

Jasmine

2014-02-17, 05:45 AM

By AA Do you mean Archangel Lucifer? Or someone else? And RK? Neither of those seem to be ringing any bells inside my head for monsters I might have with those initials, lol.

Upon further consideration, does AA Mean plain old Archangel? LOL. In which case, yes, I do have her, obviously ^^

EDIT: Am I the only one who thinks it's absolutely ludicrous that both the Mythical and Legend rank of this dungeon cost 50 stamina/ Shouldn't the Mythical be 40 stamina cost? Makes no sense to me whatsoever.

AA is plain old archangel, RK is rainbow keeper for HP because I'm too noob to have a susano :(
Mythical is the one with 100% chance, Legend with 40%. I think it's reasonable that Legend is the same stam - it's a version for those too weak to take on Mythical, with the corresponding smaller rewards. I'd like a few more for awakening, but I guess I'll wait till next time, don't want to get trolled by a 40% drop rate. Also, AFAIK the only 40 stam Legend is Hera. Every other Legend/Mystical is 50 stam, except temporarily the twinlit/trifruit which are being changed to 50 stam...eventually.

Although I wouldn't need siren, would I? DJ is a heart maker
Not a skilled one, I'm assuming? I'm too scared to not bring a Siren, even though I rarely use her (I think once total in two runs of Goemon, none in 5 runs of 2heroes) There's always the chance of getting trolled...

Starwulf

2014-02-17, 05:45 AM

Robin has better stats and a literal constant +20% for balanced, so there's that instead of woodsie.

No idea.

I might give it a go... We'll see :3

Good luck if you do, hope you manage to pull it off. Post all the details :)

Oh, no robin either, lol. I tried pulling for one, but I got 2 extra DD Bats instead, lol.

SiuiS

2014-02-17, 06:06 AM

Oh, no robin either, lol. I tried pulling for one, but I got 2 extra DD Bats instead, lol.

O____o"

So Jasmine, you're better connected than I. I'm hearing something about it being possible to "easy farm" Twinlits with LMeta//Lmeta, 2x Lilith, shynee and Valk? Any idea how that works out? I'm assuming using poison is to get past waves two and three, but then you have to set up your board on wave one, and I answered my own question didn't I? :smallsigh: :smallredface:

Okay. Cool. So new plan; develop team that can spike Twinlits and also survive two preemptive a from dub myths.

Actually, hey. Any team which can easy clear waves two and three would work... So I could bring a spike green team with Top Droidragon couldn't I?

Interesting. Looks like Big Blue has a spot in my heart after all... Just need a shardran.

Jasmine

2014-02-17, 06:23 AM

So Jasmine, you're better connected than I. I'm hearing something about it being possible to "easy farm" Twinlits with LMeta//Lmeta, 2x Lilith, shynee and Valk? Any idea how that works out? I'm assuming using poison is to get past waves two and three, but then you have to set up your board on wave one, and I answered my own question didn't I? :smallsigh: :smallredface:

Actually, hey. Any team which can easy clear waves two and three would work... So I could bring a spike green team with Top Droidragon couldn't I?

First, top droid has a much longer CD than a Lilith (22 vs 15-10). Second, Lilith can also help push out some extra damage vs Angelit (super effective + healer + shynee). You do get a couple extra turns to set up your board waves 2 and 3, poisoning just before they hit you - the biggest advantage the lilith gives you is you can set up the board exactly the way you want to, with no chance of skyfalls from that 1 match clearing up your painstakingly arranged board. That said, you'd still need a reasonably beefy team before it becomes easymode. Now if only I could find a single healer girl not named mermaid :\

SiuiS

2014-02-17, 07:03 AM

Yeah. If I bring T. Droidragon it's gonna be on a physical team, so he benefits from the 27x that I'd be packing. No type advantage against the twins, and I'm an REM pull and eight million XP away from that happening, but it's potentially much easier than double Lilith on the fragile healer team. (If I'm going mono green I would instead bring two copperheads for on-type damage and poison :smallbiggrin:)

Until I get a Valkyrie :•)

Actually, I think I should look into that. I'm probably going to bring Verche with me from now on, simply because he actually enables the damn team to function and I don't have that yet. I'm just running rainbow because why not.

It makes me sad but Mon green is my only active, functional team...

Erloas

2014-02-17, 10:22 AM

I thought Hera-Is looked Horus-able if you are almost flawless. I haven't done the math yet though.
I have GrOdin, now have Angle in final evo (though low level, can give a Tamadra for one auto-recovery), and I know some friend has Abyssal Neptune for damage resist and poison. I'll have to see what I can build. Sadly I have all of the pieces now that Hera would have been fairly easy but I didn't get most of them until a couple days after her Descend.

I hit another milestone of sorts, I got my first Mystic Mask from a not Wednesday dungeon.

obryn

2014-02-17, 10:30 AM

Yep, so who's taking on Hera-Is today? :smallbiggrin:

Light Mechdragon isn't bad, btw. Pretty much a by-the-numbers dragon dungeon.

Samuel Sturm

2014-02-17, 10:56 AM

I don't have the team HP to survive a multi hit from her, even with Neptune and GOdin. However, I will leave my W/D Neptune out today in support!

SiuiS

2014-02-17, 11:19 AM

So you're Debuneo! I think. Or I got lucky and do have a Neptune friend.

Yep, so who's taking on Hera-Is today? :smallbiggrin:

Light Mechdragon isn't bad, btw. Pretty much a by-the-numbers dragon dungeon.

Light mech dragon is going to get all my staminas. Expert has angels and chasers to skill up Metatron? Yes plz~

Samuel Sturm

2014-02-17, 11:28 AM

So you're Debuneo! I think. Or I got lucky and do have a Neptune friend.

Lol, not quite. You have a friend with Neptune, but he goes by Blade@GITP.

Beacon of Chaos

2014-02-17, 01:21 PM

So, for those of you who are attempting(or just are) to go after Hera-Is tomorrow, what's your strategy? What kind of teams can beat her? Would be great to have her, she'd be great on my slowly forming Mono-water team led by I&I with my pretty little Shardran. Hell, she'd be great just about anywhere really.
I'm not bothering with Hera-Is today. In fact, I don't think there are really any descends that I want to go into anymore until I have much stronger teams. I'm sick of hour-long grindfests, so I'm thinking that my new goal is to get all my best monsters fully evolved and as highly-leveled as I can.

Today I've been running through the tech dungeons for the x1.5 drop. Lot's of pengdras for easy xp. Focusing on Iris' Rainbow to try and get a Dub-Myth to evolve Hera-Is.

I really want Motley and Scarlet Snake dungeons to return so I can get some skill-ups for JD and Echidna.

Samuel Sturm

2014-02-17, 01:39 PM

I really want Motley and Scarlet Snake dungeons to return so I can get some skill-ups for JD and Echidna.

Yeah, Scarlet Snake and Survey 7 would be really nice right about now. Fully skilled Byakko and Hanzo are an awesome pair for mono dark.

obryn

2014-02-17, 02:08 PM

Light mech dragon is going to get all my staminas. Expert has angels and chasers to skill up Metatron? Yes plz~
OOOOH, I forgot about LMeta skillups.

...oh. Rare invade, 45k light xp, needs a keeper to evo. :smallsigh:

tyckspoon

2014-02-17, 02:16 PM

OOOOH, I forgot about LMeta skillups.

...oh. Rare invade, 45k light xp, needs a keeper to evo. :smallsigh:

I seem to recall you had much the same reaction when we first discovered the Chasers :)

TIL that a 4X RCV team is kind of excessive. I healed for 70k with a 20k max HP.. (running 2/2/4 with Freyr//Fire Angel.)

Erloas

2014-02-17, 03:19 PM

So I really shouldn't have done that... I decided to give Hera-Is a try and got several stages in before I died and it seems like it shouldn't have been too hard to keep going. So I used some stones and then ran out, decided I shouldn't need many and bought some. In the end I used *way* too many stones. I figured with 3 drops at that point and a decent chance at Hera-Is they were worth it.... It was one of those "well I've already put some stones into it, don't want to waste them" that got me...

Well Hera-Is didn't drop, the first drop was just a devil, and the 3rd drop was a black dragon, which I have plenty of. So it cost me way too many stones for Night Skydragon, Elysion. If I had paid closer attention to the drops I would have given up earlier. It was a lesson though, one I hope I don't forget soon.

Kauai

2014-02-17, 06:07 PM

I'm not bothering with Hera-Is today. In fact, I don't think there are really any descends that I want to go into anymore until I have much stronger teams. I'm sick of hour-long grindfests, so I'm thinking that my new goal is to get all my best monsters fully evolved and as highly-leveled as I can.

I'm thinking that this should be my goal as well. Right now expert dungeons have been relatively easy, but it seems that the step up to Master is a huge one. Last time I tried one I got stomped and I felt pretty sad wasting 40 stam, which is the majority of my pool (still only at 52).

Actually, with my current teams is it reasonable to even attempt any of the master dungeons? I've been mainly using the Byakko one, but I've also occasionally gone in with the mono-red team if it's a green dungeon. That team is the one that Obryn recommended, which is Strawberry Dragon lead (lvl 37)/Jotunn (lvl 30)/Gigas (lvl 30)/Ice Ogre Samurai (max lvl)/Phoenix Knight (lvl 30), with friend Uriel lead. Granted I'm leaving 12 points team cost on the table, but I don't really have any better red subs (Hello Kitty, Agdrall, lvl 30 flame guardians, second lvl 30 strawberry dragon, Tyrannos ready to evo to Firedragon Tyrannos).

Beacon of Chaos

2014-02-17, 06:42 PM

Yeah, Scarlet Snake and Survey 7 would be really nice right about now. Fully skilled Byakko and Hanzo are an awesome pair for mono dark.
Survey 7? What's that?

SiuiS

2014-02-17, 07:01 PM

Lol, not quite. You have a friend with Neptune, but he goes by Blade@GITP.

Survey seven is an (as yet unnamed?) survey dungeon for phantom chasers, filled with dark ninjas and stuff.

Survey six is dragon in motley, survey five is sword of flames, survey four is scarlet snake princess.

Starwulf

2014-02-17, 08:10 PM

Mmmm, good run on Gold Dragons, got 4 King Golds out of 4 runs(1, 1, 0, 2). The rest were all regulars though, I fed about half of them to my King shynee for 3 levels, keeping the rest for when I get gold pengdra.

Starwulf

2014-02-18, 06:11 AM

Oh where Oh where could the dark Keepers be, Oh where Oh where could they be? With their capes quite black, and their bodies very dark, oh where oh where could they be?

Two runs of rainbow keeper, two light keepers(and two rainbow keepers, which doesn't matter to me, I already had 6, so now I have 8 ><).

I just want ONE dark keeper...well, no, scratch that, I want 3, but still, one is all I reaaaaaalllly need right now.

I'll probably end up testing my luck on the Red keeper later, I need an extra one of those anyways, so maybe if I get really lucky I'll get a dark keeper invade on floor 5. Not sure if I really want to clog my box space up with even more Rainbow Keepers, might have to start just feeding them to my monsters that need exp. Or sell them. Can't imagine I'm going to use 8 of them ANYTIME soon.

SiuiS

2014-02-18, 06:16 AM

Erloas

2014-02-18, 09:53 AM

I would trade you if I could. I have 6 on one account and 9 black on the other and of course the 2 invades I had running RGB today were both black.

Not sure how it would work but I was thinking a Thanatos/RK/RK/RK/Amaterasu/Thanatos team would be interesting, if a bit grindy. Would be about 70k HP, 6 rounds of null white damage, 9 rounds of 50% damage and a 100% heal.

I think I have a Thanatos in my friends list too, I might give it a try on Master level Noble Mechdragon. Although the binds could very well kill me very quickly, Amaterasu would help with that too though.

obryn

2014-02-18, 09:57 AM

Two runs of rainbow keeper, two light keepers(and two rainbow keepers, which doesn't matter to me, I already had 6, so now I have 8 ><).
Story of my life, lemme tell you. :smallsmile:

tyckspoon

2014-02-18, 11:20 AM

Dear PAL Machine: Please stop giving me Black Dragons. I appreciate your generosity, but I now have enough of these to fully awaken a Chaos Devil Dragon should I choose to make that investment. How about a trade? You take these back and exchange them for a Mermaid. Just one, I'm not greedy.

Erloas

2014-02-18, 11:27 AM

I tried the challenge mode of Ancient Guardian in Kronos Forest, I had echidna and the blue one that does the same thing. I had 12600 HP, the last boss does 12800, he is on a 3 turn timer. He started on 2 turns. I had used a delay on the serpents on the stage before and accidentally finished them all off at the same time so I couldn't stall and the other delay became active in 3 turns. Both turns I got Horus to go off, but only being 4x I only had him about 2/3s dead.

That would have leveled me too.

SiuiS

2014-02-18, 12:33 PM

Beacon of Chaos

2014-02-18, 12:46 PM

http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee468/WizardPony/PAD/C77B3D4E-5716-406F-B65D-73700EB3E803.png

:smallredface:
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc09n6DABE1r7878t.gif

Jasmine

2014-02-18, 12:50 PM

http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee468/WizardPony/PAD/C77B3D4E-5716-406F-B65D-73700EB3E803.png

:smallredface:

That's got to be a record @@

I shouldn't have ran gold dragons yesterday. After tallying up my monster box, I have 56 monsters (35 of which are favorited, 20 in use), 197 evo material, and 193 enhance material (of which 53 are small gold dragons). Probably should clean this up but feels like such a waste throwing things away =__=

obryn

2014-02-18, 01:00 PM

http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee468/WizardPony/PAD/C77B3D4E-5716-406F-B65D-73700EB3E803.png

:smallredface:
WHOA.

....WHOA.

Buy a lottery ticket today, eh?

SiuiS

2014-02-18, 01:08 PM

Aye, two gold eggs came out on a two egg pull, and I was like "hahaha hello red divine mask or something whatevs" but secretly I was hopeful and then yay!

That's got to be a record @@

I shouldn't have ran gold dragons yesterday. After tallying up my monster box, I have 56 monsters (35 of which are favorited, 20 in use), 197 evo material, and 193 enhance material (of which 53 are small gold dragons). Probably should clean this up but feels like such a waste throwing things away =__=

Aye. I am finally breaking down and consolidating, myself; I've evolved a coco goblin and will probably throw away the other two or maybe Evo them for skill ups? I've dumped penguins into catwoman, will finish leveling Verche and CDK, Evo my ADKs and finish awakening zeal... Basically maximize all the fodder and stuff I've been leaving at low levels. That should clear up reams of space. :smallsmile:

So my teams, in the meantime, are moving forward. I'm going to bring Verche up to speed to stand in for Graceful Rose Valkyrie, coc glorious healer is my heart breaker, and both echidna and Metatron are sitting at 1.6 million plus. I'm thinking focus on light and fire for now, since both echidna and cat woman are high output attack monsters.

Beacon of Chaos

2014-02-18, 03:08 PM

Does anyone happen to have a Neptune they can put up for me? Or failing that, any water monster with water resist. Trying to beat the last level of the water conditional dungeon.

Samuel Sturm

2014-02-18, 03:51 PM

Does anyone happen to have a Neptune they can put up for me? Or failing that, any water monster with water resist. Trying to beat the last level of the water conditional dungeon.

Putting mine up for you now.

Beacon of Chaos

2014-02-18, 04:09 PM

Putting mine up for you now.
Great, thanks! Managed to beat the dungeon with no problems.

Erloas

2014-02-18, 04:22 PM

I had a crystal dragon but seeing as how it is done...

Sorry Starwulf, I ran green keeper, red keeper, and RK and got 3 black and 1 white keepers from that.
I might have to sell or just use some as fodder so they don't overrun my box.

Oh yeah, I also checked on the RK, I had a friend Baal, let the RK hit me with his counter-attack up and it did somewhere above 100k damage even though I was using Odin and the damage I took was more like 4500. So counter-attack is based their pre-modified damage, which is nice to know. I'm thinking just for the fun of it I find someone with a strong counter-attack (think 5x is the highest?) and take a genie and then laugh as Hades one-shots himself (so long as I can find a 5x white counter-attack, otherwise its only 333k)

SiuiS

2014-02-18, 04:48 PM

Erloas

2014-02-18, 05:16 PM

I had used the active skill counter-attack, which now that I check is 3x. But yeah, the leader ability counter-attacks are stronger, just less reliable. I would assume both skills work the same way though.

Beacon of Chaos

2014-02-18, 05:30 PM

Oh yeah, I also checked on the RK, I had a friend Baal, let the RK hit me with his counter-attack up and it did somewhere above 100k damage even though I was using Odin and the damage I took was more like 4500. So counter-attack is based their pre-modified damage, which is nice to know. I'm thinking just for the fun of it I find someone with a strong counter-attack (think 5x is the highest?) and take a genie and then laugh as Hades one-shots himself (so long as I can find a 5x white counter-attack, otherwise its only 333k)
That's really interesting. I really didn't think they'd do it that way. It's just a shame that reflection damage is fairly unreliable. Do you know if the enemy's own defence affects the reflected damage?

Jasmine

2014-02-18, 05:42 PM

That should clear up reams of space. :smallsmile:

So I just threw a bunch of penguins on android and a bunch of metal kings on hera, and now have four members of the 90's club. Sadly, I tried running metal drags a few times hoping for some tama and that filled my box right back up. They really need to balance out the appearance rates of RGB dragons vs metal drag x.x

Also, if anyone is wondering where all the skillup luck went, go beat up my Mastering *points*. That fatty skilled up 6 times (max) out of 8 hobgoblins. I don't even use him!

Erloas

2014-02-18, 05:44 PM

According to the wikis it says counter-attack is affected by enemy defenses and colors. I could tell that with Baal, being a white counter-attack, the damage had to have been multiplied for being white just based on the damage (the animation went that way too). I couldn't say for sure on the defense, but 3x (6x) 22200 damage should have been a nice round number and I know that it wasn't, but I don't know remember the exact number to see if the difference was exactly matched by the RK defenses.

Starwulf

2014-02-18, 08:23 PM

Wow. Glad I decided to skip doing Rainbow Keeper and go to Red Keeper dungeon. I got TWO dark keeper invades in the same dungeon(didn't even know that was possible). One on floor 3, and the other on floor 5. So, I'm happy :)

obryn

2014-02-18, 08:27 PM

Starwulf

2014-02-18, 08:38 PM

Whoa! Me either. I've only seen one.

Yeah, when the first one popped up I was like "Didn't I just start this dungeon? Pretty sure I'm only on floor 3 or 4, definitely not 5" So I killed it, and when next floor was 4, I was like "Whoa, that's cool, I guess they can invade on floors outside of 5", and then on 5, I got the second and I was like "Ohhhh yeah. Bit of luck finally!"

Winterfate

2014-02-18, 09:22 PM

Aramul

2014-02-18, 09:48 PM

I've run RK four times today, and gotten 4 dark and 4 rainbow. Very productive. Hopefully I'll get some similar drop rates out of masks tomorrow and I should be able to evo up 2-3 monsters on each account.

Kauai

2014-02-18, 10:39 PM

Yeah, I'm in bad need of masks as well. Actually, the main one I need is the violet demon mask (need 3 more to evo my vampire). I'm debating if I should just run the non-expert mask dungeon as at least I have a 50% chance of getting that mask each run, versus hoping for it to randomly attack in the expert one. (I really do need those masks to free up box space too; have a ton of mats awaiting the vampire after evo. 7 king metals, 6 high metals, and a number of regular metals.)

obryn

2014-02-18, 10:41 PM

Erloas

2014-02-18, 11:11 PM

Luckily for me I'm not so dependent on the mystic masks tomorrow as I was just a bit ago, got 2 of them to drop from the technical dungeon just recently. Still try for a couple, but considering every mask I need also needs a dub-myth I'm not going to be too worried about stocking up. Especially since the event ends before the spirit day, not that increased drop rate helped at all last week...

So I'm glad I decided to take the chance on the metal dragons even though I need a lot of seeds to free up box space from the already large supply of dragons I have. First floor was a tamadra and a basic dragon and it didn't troll me. Then I got a king dragon 2 stages later.

I've seen double keeper invades before. I got one today too, black and white.

Aramul

2014-02-18, 11:16 PM

5/5/5 now. This keeper dungeon loves me today. I should just barely get enough for one more run on my tablet, and hopefully see at least one light keeper. I need just 1 of those and 4-5 dark between the two accounts, so I'm happy to not be getting 4+ light keepers.

Yeah, I'm in bad need of masks as well. Actually, the main one I need is the violet demon mask (need 3 more to evo my vampire). I'm debating if I should just run the non-expert mask dungeon as at least I have a 50% chance of getting that mask each run, versus hoping for it to randomly attack in the expert one. (I really do need those masks to free up box space too; have a ton of mats awaiting the vampire after evo. 7 king metals, 6 high metals, and a number of regular metals.)
The high priority masks I need are a Mystic Mask on both accounts (Odin/Dragon Knight), a Divine Indigo for Isis, and Divine Onyx for Haku. Need some other random masks for my Vampire Lords, Machine Golem, Lilith, etc. I'm pretty much devoting this weeks stamina to evolving as many of my main team monsters as I can. Only got in 1-2 metal dragons today, and as much as I want the Emerald Dragons showing up tomorrow, they may take a back seat too.

Kauai

2014-02-19, 12:24 AM

...and Divine Onyx for Haku.

Eep! Thanks for reminding me of this! But then again, I do also need a dubmyth on top of the divine onyx so I'm still a bit away from being ready to evo her. I should keep some of the metals in preparation for that tho, being that she is my leader.

I'm still planning to work on my vampire but I'm really liking the tandem of DDK and Gigas on my Byakko team. Their abilities are practically synced up (I think just 1 turn apart) and DDK generates dark from light while Gigas generates red from hearts, both of which feed Byakko nicely. With that, is it still a good idea to replace Gigas with the vampire? I'm thinking maybe I should wait on doing that move until I ult evo the vampire and actually land and level an echidna. Any thoughts on this?

Starwulf

2014-02-19, 12:37 AM

Erk. I just took a look at what is needed in order to evolve both of my Hera's(though only one is even remotely close to being ready to evolve yet), and I need TWO dark keepers per >< Not sure if I really want to waste more stamina on the Keeper dungeons today to be honest, kind of wanted to run Metal Dragons tonight in a few hours in the hopes of getting a few kings, or maybe if I was really lucky another Tamadra, I just need 2 more of those to have Voice of God Metatron fully awoken!

Sigh, decisions, decisions, lol :)

Aramul

2014-02-19, 01:11 AM

Eep! Thanks for reminding me of this! But then again, I do also need a dubmyth on top of the divine onyx so I'm still a bit away from being ready to evo her. I should keep some of the metals in preparation for that tho, being that she is my leader.

I'm still planning to work on my vampire but I'm really liking the tandem of DDK and Gigas on my Byakko team. Their abilities are practically synced up (I think just 1 turn apart) and DDK generates dark from light while Gigas generates red from hearts, both of which feed Byakko nicely. With that, is it still a good idea to replace Gigas with the vampire? I'm thinking maybe I should wait on doing that move until I ult evo the vampire and actually land and level an echidna. Any thoughts on this?
My Genbu team is essentially running a second copy of her ability by combining Vampire, Dragon Knight, and Holy Dragon to convert Heal->Dark, Fire->Wood, and Water->Light. I find it super useful to be able to double nova without restricting myself to picking a second Genbu as a teammate. However, changing out your Gigas brings you closer to mono-color and makes it a lot easier to stall. Try out both teams, as they both have advantages.

SiuiS

2014-02-19, 01:17 AM

Decided to download it to my generic (read: Not a Galaxy) Android smartphone. Was slightly surprised to see it actually works. So, I got Lilith at the end of the tutorial and am now Rank 10 (almost 11). It's a pretty fun game for what it is, I suppose.

*slinks back into the shadows*

Hi there!

We all here are more... Not hardcore, but more invested than you would think in an app game. So we have Advice and Suggestions, but I don't wanna starT telling you how to play. How interested are you in late-game long term stuff as opposed to just having fun moving circle and zapping doods? :smallsmile:

Erk. I just took a look at what is needed in order to evolve both of my Hera's(though only one is even remotely close to being ready to evolve yet), and I need TWO dark keepers per >< Not sure if I really want to waste more stamina on the Keeper dungeons today to be honest, kind of wanted to run Metal Dragons tonight in a few hours in the hopes of getting a few kings, or maybe if I was really lucky another Tamadra, I just need 2 more of those to have Voice of God Metatron fully awoken!

Sigh, decisions, decisions, lol :)

I suggest grabbing one Hera Evo, leaving the other for a while. She's on a log slow track to level, and you get more stats out of having one high level awoken Hera than having two low level ones, so it's mathematically smarter to do it one at a time anyway.

My Genbu team is essentially running a second copy of her ability by combining Vampire, Dragon Knight, and Holy Dragon to convert Heal->Dark, Fire->Wood, and Water->Light. I find it super useful to be able to double nova without restricting myself to picking a second Genbu as a teammate. However, changing out your Gigas brings you closer to mono-color and makes it a lot easier to stall. Try out both teams, as they both have advantages.

That's actually really cool!

I personally suggest running the Chinese girls as a mono team. It drastically increases functionality without really impinging at all on nova outputs. The trick is, you're not limited by which color; Byakko can lead a water or fire team just as much as dark.

Winterfate

2014-02-19, 01:41 AM

Hi there!

We all here are more... Not hardcore, but more invested than you would think in an app game. So we have Advice and Suggestions, but I don't wanna start telling you how to play. How interested are you in late-game long term stuff as opposed to just having fun moving circle and zapping doods? :smallsmile:

Well, I play it on and off, so I have no idea haha. :smallbiggrin:
I just find it a fun game to burn 30 minutes or so every once in a while. I have 5 (or was it 6) Magic Stones stockpiled at the moment. I've used 4 to increase my Monster Box capacity. I rolled a Vampire from the Pal Machine just today, so I may start building towards a mono-Dark team. *shrugs*

Starwulf

2014-02-19, 01:56 AM

Well, I play it on and off, so I have no idea haha. :smallbiggrin:
I just find it a fun game to burn 30 minutes or so every once in a while. I have 5 (or was it 6) Magic Stones stockpiled at the moment. I've used 4 to increase my Monster Box capacity. I rolled a Vampire from the Pal Machine just today, so I may start building towards a mono-Dark team. *shrugs*

Unfortunately, that rather limits any real advice we can give, I think it's safe to say that the majority of us on this thread treat the game as something a bit more serious then a 30 minute time waster here and there. I mean, if you manage to make it far enough to where you can challenge dsecends, we can give you team make-ups to shoot for to tackle them, and of course we can always tell you how to take on Masks/Spirits and even Rainbow Keeper with a resolve team, but beyond that, most of our advice tends to lean more towards the "hardcore" side, and not the casual side.

Still, I do(and I'm sure the rest of us will agree) hope that you enjoy the game, it's quite fun, easily head and shoulders above 99% of the other mobile games out there.

SiuiS

2014-02-19, 02:30 AM

Well, I play it on and off, so I have no idea haha. :smallbiggrin:
I just find it a fun game to burn 30 minutes or so every once in a while. I have 5 (or was it 6) Magic Stones stockpiled at the moment. I've used 4 to increase my Monster Box capacity. I rolled a Vampire from the Pal Machine just today, so I may start building towards a mono-Dark team. *shrugs*

Good stuff! Have fun, and possibly consider rerolling next godfest! I thought that was a dumb idea until I did it, myself~

Also, Och. I can't touch master noble mechdragon without a double darkness HP lead. @.@ tried Loki? No dice. I may have to take the hit, use batman and slip Vamp into my team roster. Oy, that undercuts my HP fierce... I've been banking on RK for fluff.

Oh! Also, Obryn; should I level Verche or Fuma Kotaru for my light orb changer? Former needs 1mil less XP, latter has an extra thousand Hp.

Starwulf

2014-02-19, 02:43 AM

Good stuff! Have fun, and possibly consider rerolling next godfest! I thought that was a dumb idea until I did it, myself~

Also, Och. I can't touch master noble mechdragon without a double darkness HP lead. @.@ tried Loki? No dice. I may have to take the hit, use batman and slip Vamp into my team roster. Oy, that undercuts my HP fierce... I've been banking on RK for fluff.

Oh! Also, Obryn; should I level Verche or Fuma Kotaru for my light orb changer? Former needs 1mil less XP, latter has an extra thousand Hp.

Yeah, I realized that the Noble Mechdragon dungeon was considerably tougher then I gave it credit for. Stupid Harpie demons bound my ENTIRE TEAM(I'm guessing it's a darkness bind) for 3 turns and I just couldn't stay alive, since that apparently also affects the 2x HP from DD Bats and Persephone when they're bound(Cuz I went from like 28k HP to 8k ><)

Frustrated, I thought I wasn't anywhere near ready to evolve my Hera already, but now she's maxed and I'm short a dark keeper, and unless I stone my stamina I'm not going to be able to go for another one until next week, which kinda sucks ><

Kauai

2014-02-19, 02:51 AM

My Genbu team is essentially running a second copy of her ability by combining Vampire, Dragon Knight, and Holy Dragon to convert Heal->Dark, Fire->Wood, and Water->Light. I find it super useful to be able to double nova without restricting myself to picking a second Genbu as a teammate. However, changing out your Gigas brings you closer to mono-color and makes it a lot easier to stall. Try out both teams, as they both have advantages.

That's a great idea, actually. Following that same system, I could switch out my Ice Samurai Ogre with my Fenrir Knight (I'll need to level him first tho). Combined with Gigas and Dark Dragon Knight, that gives me Wood->Water, Heal->Fire, and Light->Dark. They're almost all synced too, with Fenrir Knight and DDK on a 9-turn CD and Gigas on 10 (need to get me some samurai goblins to fix that).

Hmm...I can actually almost mirror your Genbu team as well; just need a dragon knight. Thanks for sharing this build.

I personally suggest running the Chinese girls as a mono team. It drastically increases functionality without really impinging at all on nova outputs. The trick is, you're not limited by which color; Byakko can lead a water or fire team just as much as dark.

Wow, I never considered using Byakko to lead water or fire. Just wondering though, how does it increase functionality by going mono with Byakko? Isn't her strength in the 3.5x attack, which requires her three colors on the board? I'm thinking that having the orb changers would at least help to shake things up if being orb trolled.

SiuiS

2014-02-19, 03:07 AM

Wow, I never considered using Byakko to lead water or fire. Just wondering though, how does it increase functionality by going mono with Byakko? Isn't her strength in the 3.5x attack, which requires her three colors on the board? I'm thinking that having the orb changers would at least help to shake things up if being orb trolled.

I realized I was doing this the long way.

Basically; without leader skill, your damage is multiplied by combo total, then by combo bonus, multiplied by monsters of that color. Having five dark monsters means your dark type damage is going to be higher than having two dark type monsters. Trying to get even distribution just dilutes your effectiveness.

The basic math of color and attack. If you have 2 of each color, and let's give them an arbitrary 1000 attack each, then you can only do 2000 damage on a minimum combo. If you have a primary color, you get a lot more; a mono dark Byakko team will do 5,000 damage on a minimum three orb combo. Combine with orb hoarding; you can keep the minimum amount of off-color orbs, so you have access whenever you need them for the spike, but can do chip damage consistently in the mean time. I like to have my board look like;

XXXXXX
XXXXXX
XXXXXX
XXXXXX
RRBRBB

So all the Xs are whatever orbs, and R is red and B is blue. I can do whatever on top with hearts, dark orbs, even do a RBD combo. And whenever I need that backup color, I've got it.

Jasmine

2014-02-19, 03:08 AM

Wow, I never considered using Byakko to lead water or fire. Just wondering though, how does it increase functionality by going mono with Byakko? Isn't her strength in the 3.5x attack, which requires her three colors on the board? I'm thinking that having the orb changers would at least help to shake things up if being orb trolled.

Mono is relative, optimally you'd have all 4 subs be the same color, using sub elements to cover the other 2 (or 1, if it's dark since Haku does that). It's used to take advantage of elemental bonuses, if you're willing to invest in the additional subs.
Easy example to show why stacking is advantageous.
Split - 2 red (includes titan), 2 blue (includes fenrir), 2 black (includes cdk)
For simplicity, every 10 turns you can orb change once each, for an extra redx2 + a bluex2 and a blackx2 for 6 extra attacks.
Stack dark - 5 darks (includes persephone, vamp, cdk), echidna, vamp covers blue. Every 10 turns you can orb change to dark 3x, so you do 3x bluex5 damage for 15 extra attacks. (technically persphone is a double orb change, so it'd actually give you ~20x extra attacks worth of damage)
15 extra attacks vs 6 extra attacks - thats 2.5x(3.33x) as good.
Only caveat is you have to be good at managing your orbs so you don't run out. If you can do that, stacking will give you much better burst.

Oh! Also, Obryn; should I level Verche or Fuma Kotaru for my light orb changer? Former needs 1mil less XP, latter has an extra thousand Hp.

IMO verche if you're willing to skill him up, if not, then Fuma.

Kauai

2014-02-19, 03:19 AM

I realized I was doing this the long way.

Basically; without leader skill, your damage is multiplied by combo total, then by combo bonus, multiplied by monsters of that color. Having five dark monsters means your dark type damage is going to be higher than having two dark type monsters. Trying to get even distribution just dilutes your effectiveness.

The basic math of color and attack. If you have 2 of each color, and let's give them an arbitrary 1000 attack each, then you can only do 2000 damage on a minimum combo. If you have a primary color, you get a lot more; a mono dark Byakko team will do 5,000 damage on a minimum three orb combo. Combine with orb hoarding; you can keep the minimum amount of off-color orbs, so you have access whenever you need them for the spike, but can do chip damage consistently in the mean time. I like to have my board look like;

XXXXXX
XXXXXX
XXXXXX
XXXXXX
RRBRBB

So all the Xs are whatever orbs, and R is red and B is blue. I can do whatever on top with hearts, dark orbs, even do a RBD combo. And whenever I need that backup color, I've got it.

Ah, got it. And thanks for the longer explanation; I really do need to learn the art of setting up the board for future use. Right now I keep only playing for the current move and don't put enough thought into what I'm leaving behind. I need to work on that if I want to get further in this game.

Mono is relative, optimally you'd have all 4 subs be the same color, using sub elements to cover the other 2 (or 1, if it's dark since Haku does that). It's used to take advantage of elemental bonuses, if you're willing to invest in the additional subs.

Thanks, Jasmine. But following that theory, how does Echidna fit into the Byakko team (the one we discussed previously) when she's red? I know ult evo Vampire has sub-blue (I'm guessing that's the ult evo I should go for?), but isn't Echidna only red?

Oh, and building on that original discussion, I know you mentioned that the lineup (i.e., Byakko/Echidna/Ult Evo Vamp/Persephone/DDK) would be good for normal dungeons, and I would then need the Heras to go into deeper descends. Does that mean that this team should be able to handle the Hera descends?

Jasmine

2014-02-19, 03:52 AM

Thanks, Jasmine. But following that theory, how does Echidna fit into the Byakko team (the one we discussed previously) when she's red? I know ult evo Vampire has sub-blue (I'm guessing that's the ult evo I should go for?), but isn't Echidna only red?

Oh, and building on that original discussion, I know you mentioned that the lineup (i.e., Byakko/Echidna/Ult Evo Vamp/Persephone/DDK) would be good for normal dungeons, and I would then need the Heras to go into deeper descends. Does that mean that this team should be able to handle the Hera descends?

Echidna is used for the skill - you sacrifice her attack each orb change, but in return you get 3 turns of wailing on the boss with your full team (lose 1 monsters attack/change, gain 6 monsters attack for 3 turns with skill). She might not be important now, but when tier 6 bosses all start having 800k+ hp (with normal Hera having 3 mil and normal Zeus having 5 mil), you will definitely need the extra turns for them. Think of her as a deposit box, storing your damage for the boss, where it really matters.

If your luck is as bad as me and have no echidna well past rank 100, you could consider ult evo-ing persephone, who gains a red sub element. I think the only other availabe/strong dark/red is dark izanami, but you needa beat a descend to get her.

Both vamp evos are good, but the b/d one needs devilits. Probably a few months before you can grab those :P

With a well leveled team, you should be able to take on a majority of descends with Haku (heras included). You'll need to do 2.8 million damage in 6 turns for Hera - might be tough until you're very high level. Gimmick teams will be a lot more stable for a much smaller investment.

SiuiS

2014-02-19, 04:11 AM

Right, forgot skill level. Verche it is!

Thanks, Jasmine. But following that theory, how does Echidna fit into the Byakko team (the one we discussed previously) when she's red? I know ult evo Vampire has sub-blue (I'm guessing that's the ult evo I should go for?), but isn't Echidna only red?

Oh, and building on that original discussion, I know you mentioned that the lineup (i.e., Byakko/Echidna/Ult Evo Vamp/Persephone/DDK) would be good for normal dungeons, and I would then need the Heras to go into deeper descends. Does that mean that this team should be able to handle the Hera descends?

Echidna is useful enough that she is used on many teams despite color/type/stats. Three rounds of survival doesn't seem like much, but you're not dealing with sub boss waves that are two monsters at .6mil hp who deal 9,000 each on a 2 turn timer. Those three rounds are magic, and with Byakko, those three rounds are actually better used to clear orbs than attack sometimes; it's basically two free moves where you can lift your finger without reprisal. Set up big combos and BOOM.

Hera... Hera is weird. I defer to Jasmine.

Starwulf

2014-02-19, 06:49 AM

Yay! Decided to do a run of Masks before I hit the sack, and got an invade on 3rd floor, so got an extra mystic mask now. They don't seem to be quite as necessary as Dub-Myths and keepers for me lately, but still, always nice to have more, never know when Two Heroes is gonna pop up again and I'll get Siegfried :)

obryn

2014-02-19, 09:09 AM

Oh! Also, Obryn; should I level Verche or Fuma Kotaru for my light orb changer? Former needs 1mil less XP, latter has an extra thousand Hp.
Verche, definitely, for a few reasons. (1) Light XP is precious, (2) Skill ups are much easier since Verche has his own dungeon. (3) He has the God subtype, which is helpful. (4) Melting dark orbs is more valuable for Light than melting other colors.

If you had a Fairlio, the math might change, but right now definitely Verche. (Also, 2x ATK/RCV for Gods is a solid leader skill.)

Now, in the future, Fuma Kotaro gets a really good leader skill in his Ultimate form - 2x ATK/1.5x HP and RCV to Physical type monsters (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Chartheblade/JP_Ult_Evo_News:_Ultimate_Hanzo,_Chiyome,_Fuma,_CA D,_and_some_skill_buffs). So there's some use for Takeminakata. :smallwink:

obryn

2014-02-19, 09:13 AM

Thanks, Jasmine. But following that theory, how does Echidna fit into the Byakko team (the one we discussed previously) when she's red? I know ult evo Vampire has sub-blue (I'm guessing that's the ult evo I should go for?), but isn't Echidna only red?
Jasmine covered it really well. Echidna's utility in most dungeons far surpasses an orb change. There are very few things in the game which are stronger than "The bad guys don't get to do anything for 3 turns."

When you're grinding out lower-rank dungeons, it doesn't seem like a big deal. But when you're getting to monsters who will bind your whole team, deal literally a million damage (really! check trifruits), turn most of your board to jammers, etc ... it's more or less essential. :smallsmile:

SiuiS

2014-02-19, 09:30 AM

Verche, definitely, for a few reasons. (1) Light XP is precious, (2) Skill ups are much easier since Verche has his own dungeon. (3) He has the God subtype, which is helpful. (4) Melting dark orbs is more valuable for Light than melting other colors.

Legit. I'm looking at powering him to a good level and ult Evo, and leaving him. By then I should have a Valkyrie, which will take over. Failing that, Fuma becomes a secondary priority because high Hp values are basically required for a healer team.

If you had a Fairlio, the math might change, but right now definitely Verche. (Also, 2x ATK/RCV for Gods is a solid leader skill.)

If I had a fairlio I would be a much happier filly. XD
I'm working on stop-gaps for playing without them~

Erloas

2014-02-19, 09:59 AM

Maybe we've got the GungTroll wrong, maybe they aren't looking at our box and thinking "this is what they really need so we won't give it to them" maybe instead they look at our box and thing "wow, they have 8 of X, they must really like it to have such a big collection, let us give them another one."

The account that had 2 mystic masks saved? Gets one on the first run. Account that really needs them? 2 runs, 0 mystic masks. I couldn't even get the single red demon mask or green evo mask I needed for minor things. I guess Padherder says it all, I need a total of 9 other masks and 16 mystic masks for my current box.

I'm contemplating doing Breakers, don't need the dark golem, but the light I at least don't have. More thinking I would do it for the stone, though I would need to use a stone to get it done and still do the dragons.

obryn

2014-02-19, 01:37 PM

So ah... Wood Hera (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Myskaros/Wood_Hera!).

70% Light Resist as a Leader skill. Same Active as Zeus-Dios.

SiuiS

2014-02-19, 01:52 PM

So ah... Wood Hera (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Myskaros/Wood_Hera!).

70% Light Resist as a Leader skill. Same Active as Zeus-Dios.

Fantastic! More greens!

And hey, an end result of 79% light resist. That's like constant Odin against some folks! Not so sure on eco mons getting awakenings, but hey why not.

Kauai

2014-02-19, 02:16 PM

I've been considering trying to take on the Super King dungeon today, but I don't think my current team would be able to manage it (i.e., trying to power through the defense). With my Lilith still only being lvl 21 and thus having very mild poison, it appears my better bet would be to use an armor breaker. Is it worthwhile to level a max-skilled black knight solely for this purpose? (I also have a max-skilled white one but I figure the black fits into my dark team.) At max skill the 5-turn armor break is on an 8-turn CD.

Also beginning to see that I need to level up my Persephone due to my suboptimal playing skills. Although I can activate Byakko pretty often, I don't think my HP is high enough to be able to survive blunders on my part (I think my team is only at about 7k HP). I can't even clear the expert mask dungeon without dying because I can't burn down the divine masks quick enough when there's more than one (although with the armor break I might be able to do it). At least the Persephone lead and ideally D/D Batman friend it beefs up my HP.

EDIT: Actually, just realized that my Dark Golem Mk II also has an armor break, and he has better stats and the break is 25%. Problem is the long cooldown though, and that one will be hard to skill up. 17 turn CD, minimum of 8. I guess I could try running Breakers for the skillups but I've hit a skillup dryspell. Been trying to work on my vampire and only got 1 out of fusing at least 15 big baddies. So much for double skillup. :smallmad:

SiuiS

2014-02-19, 02:23 PM

No, the knights are nigh-useless. Even at half defense the kings have 30,000 defense. You want either Ra or a sub-fire ogre for damage, or top droidragon for armor break (once broken, it will last the whole dungeon through if you kill everything in one hit). Alternately, we all could put up poison monsters for you, but that wouldn't work well.

How many hours do you have until the dungeon? I've got a max level blazing armor ogre I'll leave up.

Kauai

2014-02-19, 02:42 PM

OK lol, thank goodness I asked before wasting time with the knights (I could evo them to barons but I'm guessing that's probably a waste as well). I think my super kings comes up in about 10 1/2 hours.

Is the blazing armor ogre the one that is green/red? If so, by using that am I aiming for a resolve team? I looked at its skill and there's no armor break so just wondering what the theory is. (I also actually have the mats to make one for myself, altho he'll be low level.)

BTW, I don't think I have you on my friend list yet (I'm assuming you'd be SiuiS in the game?). Gonna add you now.

EDIT: Saw that you actually aren't SiuiS. lol Just sent the invite.

EDIT AGAIN: Reread your message. So is the idea to use the skill of the flame armor ogre (I think that's the one you're referring to), which is 35k fire damage to wood? And I basically stall till it's charged? (Worried I won't be able to survive while waiting for that to happen, which is where I suppose the resolve comes in, but then I'll need to heal.)

Erloas

2014-02-19, 02:49 PM

Bane and RA's active skill ignores defenses (like poison) and it is enough to 1-shot any of jeweled/metal dragons. It is only needed against the Supers, but it can be a problem if you get an early invade.
The blue/red and green/red ogres both do a massive fire damage which is enough to get past emerald dragon defenses and kill them in one shot.

These, like the masks and the spirits, are not a "normal team" type of dungeon, they need specific team builds to handle them.

They don't need to be team leaders, they just have to be on the team. If you don't have any though then you can use a friend's. If you don't have a HP boost you might be SOL if you get a first turn invade, but otherwise you just stall on the first floor until the skill comes up then take out the other ones slowly (or with normal poison) and use the big hit when you see a Super.

obryn

2014-02-19, 02:55 PM

Thanks for reminding me - Ra is up.

Ra isn't foolproof; invades on 1 or 4 will hose you bad. Bring along a backup plan if you can. But otherwise, you should be good.

Samuel Sturm

2014-02-19, 02:58 PM

Is the blazing armor ogre the one that is green/red? If so, by using that am I aiming for a resolve team? I looked at its skill and there's no armor break so just wondering what the theory is. (I also actually have the mats to make one for myself, although he'll be low level.)

The active skill on the dual color Ogres is enough to just straight-up kill appropriate color super kings. I'm running 2 nuke Ogres, plus a Bane for my Green Kings tonight. Mastering is my lead for the 2.5x HP.

EDIT: Tarnation, that's a lot of Hanzos.

In other news, I think I'm about to start working on a new team. Going to build a 9x physical team, lead by Siegfried. I already have most of the main pieces, just need to evo/ lvl them into usability. Current team is Siegfried//Siegfried, with Megalodran, Viper Orochi, Enchidna, and ???. I'll probably have to start building a King Bubblie for that last spot.

Erloas

2014-02-19, 03:01 PM

Looking at your Padherder Kauai, I would say Thanatos, Rainbow Keeper, Ra, Blazing Ice Ogre, (whatever you can fit here that is black and has high HP), then take a friendly Thanatos (I can put one up) or any other 2xhp black friend you can find. A 50% green resists friend would also do the trick.
That will give you 2 things able to 1-shot a super and a decent HP buffer.

You don't have any HP boosters that help with RA or the Ogre, so Thanatos and the RK seem like the best secondary option. If you can't get close to that on team cost you can try without the big HP buffer and hope for not having a 1st turn invade.

Kauai

2014-02-19, 03:03 PM

Thanks guys. Big problem is my skills aren't at a point where I can activate Ra. If I understand the leader skill correctly, I'll have to run a rainbow team and be able to match up all 5 colors in one turn to activate him, right? There is no way in heck that I'm remotely close to being able to pull that off. (I did just get Ra this past godfest though, so I guess I could start trying to practice using him.)

With that being said, I guess I'll need to go the ogre route. I do have a blue/red ogre, and I can feed him some unevo'd Pengras for some quick XP and maybe get his level into the 20s in case SiuiS' ogre doesn't show up for me when I need to run it (just thinking about the gap in our ranks). I'll use him in place of the ice samurai ogre. So given my challenges, would the odds be better running Persephone//DD Batman for added HP, or go with double Byakko for the 12.25x and stall for the ogre's active? (Will need to check where my HP will be at with that team tho. It will depend on how high I can level that ogre.)

EDIT: Hey, thanks for the recommended builds, Erloas! I'm gonna try it. Will see if I can build that team based on team cost right now. Do you think that same team would work for the expert masks dungeon as well? I've been struggling in there too, and haven't cleared it yet.

Erloas

2014-02-19, 03:06 PM

With Ra and the Ogres you don't need them as a leader, you simply need them on your team for their active skill. You don't have to active Ra's leadership ability, just his skill.

If you have someone as a friend and don't see their helper change then log out of the game completely (I have to quit the game) and go back in and their leader should be updated.

Edit: Expert masks and spirits would be similar, but instead of RA/Ogre just take Lilith. Lilith doesn't do much damage but they have almost no HP and that is enough to kill them in 1 round anyway.
I also see you have Kuromi, with that active it removes their defenses completely and all you have to do is 20 damage to each to kill them, and if you kill all of them in 1 round the ability stays up for the next stage, you can kill the entire dungeon with using the skill only once (equivalent skill to the Top Droidragon that you see refereed to occasionally). It is slightly less useful for Super dragons because they have more HP, still should be trivially easy to kill them but if you mess up and don't do the 5000/7777 damage and they survive then you are in trouble. Kuromi isn't as idea as lilith for the masks/spirits because the cooldown is a decent amount longer.

Kauai

2014-02-19, 03:11 PM

Ah okay, that makes sense. Wasn't even looking at Ra's skill. So Thanatos as leader then? (And looks like I should work towards an evo for him then; didn't realize he'd be this useful for me. He's only about 35k away from max level anyway.) Again tho (sorry for being a pest), do you think this would be a viable team for the expert mask dungeon as well? I'm leery about trying it again after getting stomped earlier today.

EDIT: Sorry, just saw your edit. So the same team with Lilith instead (double Lilith maybe, so that there's double poison in tandem?). I'll also have to check who else I can fit in under the cost cap. Hopefully there's room for monsters with decent stats.

Aramul

2014-02-19, 04:21 PM

I've been using my normal team + Awoken Odin to run the masks, spirits, and keepers. Stall early and build up your skills and supply of orbs, then make sure not to let two masks attack at the same time. Worst case scenario is something I just ran into, floor 4 had all 3 masks synced on the same turn. I burned a few abilities to make sure I hit every round and multihit with several to clear the first two in time. On the last floor, Gungnir will one-shot the black mask, and the Mystic only has 15 hp to get through. Having multiple Ra and Lilith would remove any need for strategy beyond "stall floor 1" though, so if you've got the means, that's the way to go.

So far I've gotten one Mystic Mask on my Haku account. Spent it on my Odin, along with all 5 Tamadra I had built up to fully awaken Awoken Odin. Since he fits perfectly as a defensive friend for my Genbu team, he'll probably be my lead any time I'm not playing if anyone needs him.

Jasmine

2014-02-19, 04:32 PM

Persephone/Kuromi/RK/ 2x demon or devil with >778 attack/friend lucifer should work for any super kings.
Alternatively if you're patient, Persephone/RK/RK/Megalodran/Lilith/friend luci will be even safer - just wait 35 turns to kill supers in 1 hit with luci skill. 3x rcv with a heartmaker should prevent you from dying, and 3x hp with 2 rks and a luci alone give you 24k hp minimum so you can take 4 hits before needing to heal.
Double thanatos will give you godly hp, but no way to heal from damage. I find increased rcv more useful than increased hp, as long as you can take a hit without dying.
Edit: You prob dont have the cost for 2x RKs...maybe throw in a dub myth for cheap stats.

Wed/Fri dungeons can use a modified version of the 2nd one, Persephone/Vamp/CDK/Lilith/Lilith/Luci, could swap out the the orb changes for RKs or the liliths for RKs, since both smacking the sprites 3x and poisoning them are pretty quick.

Kaiui, remember how you beat the friday spirit dungeon last week (last last week?). It has comparable difficulty to the wednesday masks. But it was a piece of cake with hp/rcv multipliers yeah? That's the difference a specialty team makes. Even now I play the mask/spirits with tank - even though I can suually break the defense with combos, why risk that 5 or 10% failure rate due to bad orbing skills? In this case, slow and steady takes 5 minutes instead of 2 - not a huge loss.

Essentially the same mindset when building a specialty team for hera - reduce your damage by 10x to increase your survivability by 10x. Losing 40 stamina is saddening.

Edit:

it showed 60,000 defense so I thought it meant that the only damage that would get through would be in excess of 60,000. In other words, the 35,000 would fall way short.
Element advantage multiplies damage by 2 - 35k -> 70k > 60k = kills the king :P

Kauai

2014-02-19, 04:42 PM

The active skill on the dual color Ogres is enough to just straight-up kill appropriate color super kings. I'm running 2 nuke Ogres, plus a Bane for my Green Kings tonight. Mastering is my lead for the 2.5x HP.

Sorry Blade, in the midst of all my newbie blabber filling up the forum (humble apologies) I missed your post. When I looked up the super kings, it showed 60,000 defense so I thought it meant that the only damage that would get through would be in excess of 60,000. In other words, the 35,000 would fall way short. If what you're saying is true tho, then I think I'll start working on dual color ogres to accompany my Ra to take on any future super king dungeons. (How does defense work, anyway? lol)

I've been using my normal team + Awoken Odin to run the masks, spirits, and keepers. Stall early and build up your skills and supply of orbs, then make sure not to let two masks attack at the same time. Worst case scenario is something I just ran into, floor 4 had all 3 masks synced on the same turn. I burned a few abilities to make sure I hit every round and multihit with several to clear the first two in time. On the last floor, Gungnir will one-shot the black mask, and the Mystic only has 15 hp to get through. Having multiple Ra and Lilith would remove any need for strategy beyond "stall floor 1" though, so if you've got the means, that's the way to go.

Yeah, I'm thinking that I need to run my gimmicky team of double Lilith for the masks. I need to go that route because I need the little bit of extra dark HP that the second Lilith provides as opposed to the light HP of Ra. The team needs to maximize the dark HP multiplier to survive (currently I have Thanatos lead/RK/2 Lilith/Dark Golem Mk II, which leaves me with the whopping total of 5692 HP lol). With double Thanatos that should bring my HP up to about 20K or so, which had better be enough. (Nice part is that at least the RCV with this team is at 1052, so barring a major heart drought I should be able to heal while stalling.)

For the super kings, I'll swap in Ra and the ogre for the two Liliths. It will be a little more of a challenge with the lower HP pool and significantly lower RCV (690), but I should be able to manage. That would be 2 nukes plus the 75% defense reduction from the golem. I'm thinking floors 1 and 2 should be fine and is where I'll stall, then floor 3 use golem armor break to help with burning down whatever shows up. That leaves the 2 nukes for floors 4 and 5. If I can't succeed with this, I may as well give up the game. lol

Samuel Sturm

2014-02-19, 04:46 PM

Sorry Blade, in the midst of all my newbie blabber filling up the forum (humble apologies) I missed your post. When I looked up the super kings, it showed 60,000 defense so I thought it meant that the only damage that would get through would be in excess of 60,000. In other words, the 35,000 would fall way short. If what you're saying is true tho, then I think I'll start working on dual color ogres to accompany my Ra to take on any future super king dungeons. (How does defense work, anyway? lol)

Yes, but keep in mind that nuke ogres only hit their opposite color, which doubles their damage. So they actually always deal 70,000 damage, minus defense means super kings take 10,000 damage.

Kauai

2014-02-19, 05:11 PM

Yes, but keep in mind that nuke ogres only hit their opposite color, which doubles their damage. So they actually always deal 70,000 damage, minus defense means super kings take 10,000 damage.

Ah got it, didn't consider the multiplier. My noobness shines again. :smallfrown: Thanks for clearing it up.

Persephone/Kuromi/RK/ 2x demon or devil with >778 attack/friend lucifer should work for any super kings.
Alternatively if you're patient, Persephone/RK/RK/Megalodran/Lilith/friend luci will be even safer - just wait 35 turns to kill supers in 1 hit with luci skill. 3x rcv with a heartmaker should prevent you from dying, and 3x hp with 2 rks and a luci alone give you 24k hp minimum so you can take 4 hits before needing to heal.
Double thanatos will give you godly hp, but no way to heal from damage. I find increased rcv more useful than increased hp, as long as you can take a hit without dying.
Edit: You prob dont have the cost for 2x RKs...maybe throw in a dub myth for cheap stats.

Thanks for the recommended teams! The major challenges for me right now though is that those pieces (the ones I have anyway) are not leveled enough to be viable. Kuromi is only lvl 5, and I don't have any leveled demons and/or devils. Also still need a dub myth to evo Shardran to Megalodran, and have only 1 RK atm. What do you think about my theory with the other builds tho (the double Lilith and the Ra/Ogre)? It seems workable to me.

Wed/Fri dungeons can use a modified version of the 2nd one, Persephone/Vamp/CDK/Lilith/Lilith/Luci, could swap out the the orb changes for RKs or the liliths for RKs, since both smacking the sprites 3x and poisoning them are pretty quick.

Kaiui, remember how you beat the friday spirit dungeon last week (last last week?). It has comparable difficulty to the wednesday masks. But it was a piece of cake with hp/rcv multipliers yeah? That's the difference a specialty team makes. Even now I play the mask/spirits with tank - even though I can suually break the defense with combos, why risk that 5 or 10% failure rate due to bad orbing skills? In this case, slow and steady takes 5 minutes instead of 2 - not a huge loss.

Yep, I remember that fondly and I'm still using that red team to do the spirits (used it this past Friday). The challenge is when I have no friend Uriels up, which I need to make it work. I suppose I could try something similar with Persephone as lead, but she doesn't have the HP multiplier which puts me in a bit of a bind. Her first evo adds it tho, so maybe she should be my next project (was planning on working on my vamp lord first). Interestingly I think I only have one or two Luci friends so that may prove to be a challenge later as well. Looks like I probably need to change my approach again and look at HP and RCV multipliers as opposed to attack. I've been getting used to Byakko's skill which redirected my focus.

Essentially the same mindset when building a specialty team for hera - reduce your damage by 10x to increase your survivability by 10x. Losing 40 stamina is saddening.

TBH, I'm still not 100% sure what to run when attempting her. I need to reread all the past advice that I got here and see if I have what I need to pull it off. IIRC, I'm missing an echidna to do it.

Winterfate

2014-02-19, 05:40 PM

Jasmine

2014-02-19, 05:41 PM

The major challenges for me right now though is that those pieces (the ones I have anyway) are not leveled enough to be viable.
There a monsters you take for stats, and monsters you take for skills. Both Kuromi and Shardran (he can be base form, level 10, and as long as he has some skill levels he'll work fine). Sure bonus stats will help a little but attack doesn't matter and he's not dark anyways so he won't benefit from the leader skills. Any >7777 damage skill will work in place of demons - last evo lil dragons, ogres, random stuff. I suggested demons because a dark demon because dark will work for all 5 elements of super kings + he can be skilled up to 5 turns CD relatively easily + there are no dark ogres that can benefit off of leader skill. It's 71453 exp to get a dark demon to level 30, where it has 779 attack. That's a penguin and a half...you'll get past level 30 just feeding it other demons to skill it up.

What do you think about my theory with the other builds tho (the double Lilith and the Ra/Ogre)? It seems workable to me.
It'll be fine if you don't get an invade the first round. If you do, you'll probably die - you won't be healing 6k a turn with no rcv multipliers. That said, the chance of a first floor invade is probably somewhere <10%. Small risk, but like I said, the loss of 50 stamina is ughhhh. Keep in mind resolve often will not work in technical dungeons since monsters multi-hit, parts of their damage bypassing resolve/odin guard.

The challenge is when I have no friend Uriels up, which I need to make it work. I suppose I could try something similar with Persephone as lead, but she doesn't have the HP multiplier which puts me in a bit of a bind.
Forgot you dont have the +HP yet. Yeah, might want to get her evoed - it'll be helpful.
I think that a solid friends list is a very big factor in how far you can progress. Fill up your list with leads that will be helpful to you. My list has 10 lucis/5 persephones/5 lokis/ 5 batmans (friends for my luci team - for descends, wed/fri), 2 blue noels/3 gabriels (for my blue noel team - he's faster at super kings than lucifer), and 40 horuses/20 ises (for my horus team - regular playing). There's a few valks/light metatrons that might be a good pair for my WIP valk team, and a smattering of odins and neptunes, but well over 2/3 of my list is friends I would regularly use.

TBH, I'm still not 100% sure what to run when attempting her. I need to reread all the past advice that I got here and see if I have what I need to pull it off. IIRC, I'm missing an echidna to do it.
You're missing echidna and a ton of levels if you're planning on doing a Haku team. You're missing some green levels if you're planning on going melon/odin. And max skill a heartbreaker + level up either kuromi or lilith.

@Winterfate
The 'event' on the rare egg is kind of a default setting, but it rotates between the 5 colors to give slightly more of that color, and sometimes at higher levels. It's still a long and painful process of rerolling, esp outside of godfest, which only happens for 24H every 2 weeks. You're looking at a 10% chance of a gold egg (which might not even be good) during normal days and a 30% chance during god fests. That said, here (http://puzzleanddragonsforum.com/archive/index.php/thread-6337-1.html) is a reasonably good guide to starter rolls. Good stuff that comes out of the midnight gala are Persephone, Haku, Loki, and Archangel Lucifer. Also, if your first roll is okay but not great, you could blaze through the first 5 dungeons for an extra roll to see if your luck gets better. Hope you get a good one - it helps a lot!

#Personal Efficiency Log
Day 50 - 2.79 mil rexp, 19.7 mil mexp. 56k/day, 394k/day cumulative.
Day 55 - 3.06 mil rexp, 22.6 mil mexp. 54k/day, 580k/day recently.

Erloas

2014-02-19, 05:48 PM

Well the god fest was 3 days ago and that is your best chance to get a really good god. It also means it will be another 2 weeks before we would expect another one.
But that isn't the only time you get a good pull, it is just when it is most likely. On my main account I think I got Horus on my 3rd reroll and that wasn't during a godfest (but it was during a red-gala so it started at level 30, a big bonus).
However my second account I rerolled about 15-20 times before I pulled Karin.

Right now we are on a midnight-gala so you will most likely end up with a level 30 black god but everything else is still there to get too.

Right now I'm running into a new sort of problem. I'm getting too good at killing everything every round and I'm end up on the boss levels without any of my skills active. At least I've still been hitting the combos and wiping the bosses really fast. Took the Witch of Darkness in Clayus Prison without any skills up. And on the Punisher from Hell I had managed to stall for all my skills but I wiped all the ivory dragons in 2 rounds and killed Tiamat in 2 rounds, the first one mostly a flub and the second finished him off, no skills used. Tower to the Sky for me now. :)

Beacon of Chaos

2014-02-19, 05:51 PM

Super Emeralds was good to me today, with two kings and a super. :smallbiggrin:

I'm still planning to work on my vampire but I'm really liking the tandem of DDK and Gigas on my Byakko team. Their abilities are practically synced up (I think just 1 turn apart) and DDK generates dark from light while Gigas generates red from hearts, both of which feed Byakko nicely. With that, is it still a good idea to replace Gigas with the vampire? I'm thinking maybe I should wait on doing that move until I ult evo the vampire and actually land and level an echidna. Any thoughts on this?
I've been thinking of doing this with Byakko too. Gigas, DDK, And Fenrir together become a 5 turn W7SF. The problem is getting the skill-ups for them, since mystic knights aren't that common.

Also thinking of just taking Vampire, Gigas, and Siegfired and just converting hearts to what I need. It's not often I'm missing two colours unless I'm not focusing on clearing green/yellow.

This means I'd need to ditch Siren and Lilith, losing out on valuable recovery.

Erloas

2014-02-19, 07:20 PM

*Weekend Legends*
[Duration]: 2/21 (Fri), 12:00 AM - 2/23 (Sun), 11:59 PM (PST)

Some of the sturdiest heavy-hitters are descending this weekend! Defeat them in battle, and share your tales of conquest!

2/21 - Heroes Descended
2/22 - Satan Descended!
2/23 - The Thief Descended!
2/22 - 2/23 - Scarlet Snake Princess

As a bonus for this special weekend, *1000 Pal Points* are being awarded to players each day!

**WARNING: You can only hold a max of 10000 Pal points--any points that go over this limit will be deleted!**

Yay. I still don't have a echidna. And even though I'll be driving to Phoenix this weekend (with a quick stop in Las Vegas) I'm still going to find time to run it until I get at least a couple. I'll have the before I get up time, and at least a couple stopping for lunch times, and the evening in the hotel. (yes... I might be stopping in Vegas and spend at least some of the evening playing PAD, not really a big fan of Vegas but the hotels are reasonably priced and its about as far as I can drive in a day)

I think I have what it takes to do Heroes now too.

Emerald dragons was good to me, a first turn invade but I handled it just fine, a king on the 3rd floor and another super on the last stage. Now the question is use them to bump Odin up some more (51 currently and highly used) or get some levels on Ancient Dragon Knight in prep for a dragon team (myth needed for ultra) or *other* (toycerotops, brachy).

Beacon of Chaos

2014-02-19, 07:24 PM

Scarlet Snake Princess! Hot Diggety Daffodil! Just What I wanted! :smallbiggrin:

Levictus

2014-02-19, 07:33 PM

Finally I'll get my echidna to max skill. This should help out immensely on the harder descends!

Samuel Sturm

2014-02-19, 07:37 PM

Heros, followed by Scarlet Snake. Well, I know where all my stamina is going.

And box space, since the current skillup event won't be going on then. Well, at least I get Nagas.

Kauai

2014-02-19, 07:40 PM

Is it a 100% drop regardless of which level? If so, I'll probably play it safe and just keep running Intermediate as I'm guessing Expert must be pretty tough.

EDIT: Talking about Scarlet Snake of course. I don't think Heroes is something I can run yet.

RE-EDIT: Just read the comments in the wiki. Hmph. Planning to try running it on expert but not holding my breath. lol

obryn

2014-02-19, 07:48 PM

Is it a 100% drop regardless of which level? If so, I'll probably play it safe and just keep running Intermediate as I'm guessing Expert must be pretty tough.
Run the hardest level you can. The drop rates are seriously much better.

Beacon of Chaos

2014-02-19, 08:04 PM

And apparantly we are getting the EVA Collab in March. Attacker type monsters for everyone!

Starwulf

2014-02-19, 08:45 PM

And apparantly we are getting the EVA Collab in March. Attacker type monsters for everyone!

EVA? random blah for 10 character minimum bit.

Erloas

2014-02-19, 09:12 PM

Starwulf

2014-02-19, 09:29 PM

http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Eva_Collab

From Wikipedia.
Evangelion :Neon Genesis Evangelion (新世紀エヴァンゲリオン Shin Seiki Evangerion?, literally "Gospel of a New Century"), commonly referred to as NGE, Evangelion or Eva, is a Japanese science-fantasy mecha dystopia genre animation series

They look mostly useless except for skill-ups. Has the only Odin skill up, as well as Isis and Fallen Angle Lucifer skill-ups. Considering I would need about 100 of them to get 1 skill-up on my Odin, I'm not sure if I'll put much effort into it. But 45k to max level and a black keeper, which I have piles of, means I'll at least give it some attention.

And that is why I asked, as in my mind, EVA can only mean one thing, but I didn't want to get my hopes up until it was confirmed.. Omg I'm so happy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Neon Genesis Evangelion is one of my favorite animes, and has been for many, many years ^^

Looks like I'll be saving ALL of my stones from now until then so I can blow them all on the special egg machine :)

Oh, as a special request, as I suck at this kind of stuff, if someone could find and resize a Chaos Devil Dragon(just CDD, not his Ult.Evo form) to avatar size for here, and then post the relevant link for it, I would be a very happy person :) I've had this avatar for a while now(going on two years I do believe), and while I do love it, it's time for a change, and since the PAD community here is where I am by far my most active, it feels appropriate ^^

Kauai

2014-02-19, 09:50 PM

Run the hardest level you can. The drop rates are seriously much better.

I'm gonna try. I'm not sure what team to use though. Probably my usual Byakko team (unless metal dragons come again before then, and if it does I'm going to stone and run it like heck to get as many king metals as possible to level and evo Persephone).

Oh, and my gimmicky team for masks went very well (well, one hiccup as the second time I went through I got majorly orb trolled and died). I keep feeling anxiety while playing as I know I need to kill off the divine masks ASAP in floors 2 and 3, but it's a great feeling to make it to 4 and have 2 poisons at my disposal. Looking forward to trying super kings later this evening (in 3 hrs for me).

Re: the next collab. That's always bad news for my wallet. lol I already know what my tendencies are and I'm not going to be able to resist pulling the lever on the collab REM a few times.

Erloas

2014-02-19, 10:48 PM

tyckspoon

2014-02-19, 11:55 PM

I hadn't really looked at the REM EVA pulls, but now that I have, they look pretty good. Can match well with Hattori Hanzo which I got earlier. Don't really have an attacker team.
Whomever the end boss is has a similar RA like ability, not too long of a cool-down and only hits one person but does 15000 static damage.

None of them are really interesting to me, although Shinji+Kaworu is notable for both its leader skill (3x ATK) and its active skill (Water-type Morningstar). There's art for a character that wasn't part of the JP version, tho, so maybe that one does something more interesting..

I dunno, maybe I'm forgetting about some obvious monsters, but I can't think of anything that really strikes me as good enough to want to make an Attacker team around it (..well, DD Bats is an Attacker, but if you've got DD Bats you make a Dark team with him anyway.)

SiuiS

2014-02-20, 01:38 AM

So, I decided I'm going to reroll...

Four rerolls later and all I have gotten are silver eggs from the REM. :smallfrown:
(I decided to reroll because I started to struggle in clearing dungeons. Seemed a bit soon to be struggling when I wasn't even done with the second batch of single-element dungeons.)

There's a special event going on for the REM at the moment. Do any good cards pop out of it?

The events move in cycles. There is always a 'gala', which influences the element tendencies of the pulls. It also increases your odds of pulling a high level monster; during the current darkness gala, dark monsters can come out at level 30.

Godfests influence the rarity tendencies of the pulls, increasing the odds of pulling end-game capable monsters. So while the gala will affect which color of god you get (and you can only get Odin, Sonia or Metatron pulls during a godfest), you will have better odds in a week and a half, or so, when another godfest is live.

That being said, I pulled Parvati at level 30 outside of a godfest (I had missed it by eight hours and didn't notice...), and it took me eight restarts. I still have and use Parvati, and she is widely regarded as the single best heartmaker, a solid god, and now is getting better awoken skills and ultimate evolutions, so if you are willing to keep pulling until one of the top tier gods comes out, they will eventually. :smallsmile:

And yes. Oh goodness yes. Parvati changed my game; I went from struggling where you are (before, actually) to clearing the first few tiers almost by accident. I chafed under the reroll suggestion, as Obryn can attest. But it was definitely worth it.

Scarlet Snake Princess! Hot Diggety Daffodil! Just What I wanted! :smallbiggrin:

Huzzah!

EVA? random blah for 10 character minimum bit.

Evangelion. Good stuff.

Kauai, my set up for super kings;

http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee468/WizardPony/PAD/E448BED9-BFF5-4640-AD67-EFC3E1C15FE2.png
http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee468/WizardPony/PAD/47DDD0E4-7368-4FCB-8AEB-C58327EF15B0.png
http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee468/WizardPony/PAD/7DF48842-2F2B-4AFC-8C86-9A148471C7C7.png

I tried to show the flame strike at 10,000 killing the kings, but I did the capture too fast and it shows their health being reduced but the number still says 1 XD

it's basically the same thing you have with Thanatos; mastering (the blob) increases physical type HP by 2.5. The ogres all have two skill+1 awoken skills, meaning this team gets it's skills up 6 rounds faster than normal, and Bane has Ra's active, for 7777 damage. I have bane just in case I forget to rearrange my ogres and go into a dungeon without the right skill :3

I'm looking at Evo'ing and awakening my light ogre as well, and then getting a dark one, so my standard team will have every element covered and get skills ten rounds early~
That's a ways off though. Quite an investment.

tyckspoon

2014-02-20, 02:19 AM

And yes. Oh goodness yes. Parvati changed my game; I went from struggling where you are (before, actually) to clearing the first few tiers almost by accident.

Same here- I started with a level 30 Freyr. I was relatively lucky and only needed 3 resets to get him.. he pretty much single-handedly cleared about the first 2 tiers of dungeons. Rerolling for a good starting monster really does stand to save you huge amounts of time later on.

Togath

2014-02-20, 02:43 AM

Somewhat interested in this game.. Is it available for PC?
I looked it up on it's wiki(linked in the op)... And it says "IOS and Android".. neither of which are terms I know?:smallconfused:

tyckspoon

2014-02-20, 02:50 AM

Somewhat interested in this game.. Is it available for PC?
I looked it up on it's wiki(linked in the op)... And it says "IOS and Android".. neither of which are terms I know?:smallconfused:

Unfortunately, no, not in any way people have gotten to work reliably. It's a phone/tablet game; iOS and Android are the two most common operating systems for mobile computing devices (iOS being the thing that runs iPads, iPods, and iPhones, and Android being the thing that runs.. well, Android devices. There's about a billion of them.) There are Android emulators and virtual Android environments you can try to use on PC, but I don't believe any of them can reliably connect to the game.

SiuiS

2014-02-20, 03:38 AM

Somewhat interested in this game.. Is it available for PC?
I looked it up on it's wiki(linked in the op)... And it says "IOS and Android".. neither of which are terms I know?:smallconfused:

It is a cellular phone game. Tyckspoon covers the rest.

I hesitate to suggest trying it however, as unlike other match three games, your moves of the puzzle pieces are limited by time, not distance, and a mouse may be very, very difficult to utilize. That said, Android is a google thing so it should be rather trivial to run a virtual android device.

Kauai

2014-02-20, 05:28 AM

So in my excitement to try super kings (plus almost missing it and having to rush to start my round in time with only 5 minutes to spare), I went in with the wrong team and had the 2 Liliths instead of Ra and the ogre. I realized it as soon as I went in, and decided I better retreat. So I wasted a stone on refill, redid the lineup and went back in. I've never seen a super king before, and when the regular king showed up on floor 3 I panicked and activated Ra. :smallmad: Thankfully on floor 4 it was just a king with some smalls, so I didn't need the second nuke. Cleared the floor and ogred floor 5 and got the super king. Not sure if the stone was worth it, but at least I now know I can do it. Thank you to everyone for your help with my lineup! (Debating on using my green xp to level up the melon dragon or to max out Mandrake and evo her to Alraune. I'm thinking the latter, as I won't have enough to max the dragon and I could use an autohealer. Not sure tho.)

Kauai, my set up for super kings;

http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee468/WizardPony/PAD/E448BED9-BFF5-4640-AD67-EFC3E1C15FE2.png
http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee468/WizardPony/PAD/47DDD0E4-7368-4FCB-8AEB-C58327EF15B0.png
http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee468/WizardPony/PAD/7DF48842-2F2B-4AFC-8C86-9A148471C7C7.png

I tried to show the flame strike at 10,000 killing the kings, but I did the capture too fast and it shows their health being reduced but the number still says 1 XD

it's basically the same thing you have with Thanatos; mastering (the blob) increases physical type HP by 2.5. The ogres all have two skill+1 awoken skills, meaning this team gets it's skills up 6 rounds faster than normal, and Bane has Ra's active, for 7777 damage. I have bane just in case I forget to rearrange my ogres and go into a dungeon without the right skill :3

Thanks for sharing your lineup. Cool idea of going with 3 fully-awoken ogres to get the skills up faster. I may copy you and do that. :smallsmile:

I'm looking at Evo'ing and awakening my light ogre as well, and then getting a dark one, so my standard team will have every element covered and get skills ten rounds early~
That's a ways off though. Quite an investment.

There are light and dark ogres? What are they called? And I'm thinking that's what are needed for Super King Metals? I mean, I know Ra will still work but other than him I'm missing a second nuke.

SiuiS

2014-02-20, 05:59 AM

Thanks for sharing your lineup. Cool idea of going with 3 fully-awoken ogres to get the skills up faster. I may copy you and do that. :smallsmile:

No problem! I realized I was throwing around jargon so I should explain it all. And Jasmine and co. Beat me to it. :3

The awoken skill for skill boosts doesn't shorten your cool down, however; it starts you farther along. All three ogres have a total of six skill boost skills. So when I first start a dungeon, Bane's skill (the same as Ra's) has only eleven rounds to go on its seventeen round cool down. If I use it though, the second one needs the entire seventeen rounds. So it can help, but it's not a consistent boost.

There are light and dark ogres? What are they called? And I'm thinking that's what are needed for Super King Metals? I mean, I know Ra will still work but other than him I'm missing a second nuke.

Super king metal dragons are the easiest to deal with; they use single shot attacks so Odin or even a reserve/zombie team can handle them. But yes; I've been using poison or Ra-lasers for them.

The light and dark ogres are specifically oni, and they now show up in the pal machine. They also come from a specific dungeon, Takeminakata descended, which is where I got my light ogre. They have no skill until evolved.

http://static4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131004101424/pad/images/f/fc/Pet830.png
http://static1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131004101442/pad/images/2/28/Pet828.png

You'll find as you go that sometimes, "outdated" monsters have surprising utility. I could not have made it trough Two heroes without my Blazing Armor ogre, which Obryn suggested, because I could not do enough damage to Highlander to matter past his 30,000 defense. In fact, the math came back that if I dealt one damage a second, every second, I would eventually kill him... In four and a half consecutive days. Boy was I glad to back out and bring the ogre...

SiuiS

2014-02-20, 06:23 AM

As of an hour and a half ago;

producer yama just announced on the stream:
new gold keeper to be introduced next week in jp
wolf king will use gold keeper to evo to a green/red ult evo with new leader skills
sieg will use gold keeper to upgreade to blue/light ult evo with new leader skills too.

So apparently there was a challenge that, if failed, meant nothing, but if highly publicized player beat, Japan got new stuff? I'm guessing he won; a new Golden keeper, and two alternate busty for a for cu Chulain and Siegfried.

Beacon of Chaos

2014-02-20, 06:31 AM

And that is why I asked, as in my mind, EVA can only mean one thing, but I didn't want to get my hopes up until it was confirmed.. Omg I'm so happy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Neon Genesis Evangelion is one of my favorite animes, and has been for many, many years ^^
Really? I hated it. But if you're happy, that's cool. I'm looking forward to the new monsters.

The REM monster looks like great attacker leaders, and I really want an Asuka (Red type CTW-type skill? Welcome to Byakko team!)

So apparently there was a challenge that, if failed, meant nothing, but if highly publicized player beat, Japan got new stuff? I'm guessing he won; a new Golden keeper, and two alternate busty for a for cu Chulain and Siegfried.
That's kinda cool. Almost like Legend of the Five Rings, where player actions in tournaments help decide the overall story. Almost.