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AmberVael
2007-01-30, 07:28 PM
After much much delay, I present to you-
The Battle of the Deities.

On one side, we have the god of valor. Guildmaster, warrior, wizard, and master of divine magics. His knowledge is vast, and his versatility is nigh unmatched. I give you... Gemini!

On the other we have the daughter of skuld. Norn, Valkyrie, weaver of fate and magic. All energies bend to her call, and nothing escapes her divining eye. I give you... Aesa!


http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h107/sjunderw/arena.png
Aesa will start in T 11, and Gemini will begin in A 10.

These two have chosen to fight in an empty arena, and will be fighting a grudge match, giving no time to prepare for the battle. Let the combatants show themselves, and let the audience prepare for a battle like none has ever seen before...

Kyrian
2007-01-30, 07:29 PM
Kyrian and all his....well, the number probably rivals the number of pokemon, characters all come out and cheer for Aesa.

AmberVael
2007-01-30, 07:34 PM
Earin steps out of nowhere and takes the judges seat, and Elya sits beside him.
Fenix flies out and takes a seat out in the stands, while Jack comes in and looks around interestedly, always wanting to see more magic.
Grif comes into the arena out of a portal, wondering if he could get a new arena fighter to support and base his organization around.

Deus Mortus
2007-01-30, 07:52 PM
Tinderhall sits down and lights up a large banner overhead.

YOU MIGHT WIN, BUT YOU'RE STILL A LOSER.
FACE IT, GODS SUCK!

AmberVael
2007-01-30, 07:57 PM
Aesa slowly and confidently makes her way out into the arena, her magic rod in hand, but no magic or anything spectacular heralding her appearance. She tosses her hair and flaps her wings, hovering slightly above the ground. She smirks at Tinderhall's banner and waits for her opponent to show.

wxdruid
2007-01-30, 08:00 PM
Cassandra walks in with a smirk, she sits on Aesa's side.

Sophistemon
2007-01-30, 10:14 PM
A small ectoplasmic bird flutters into the arena. Were one to look into its emerald eyes, they would see the interior of the OmniShop as viewed from with a scryglass.

Destro_Yersul
2007-01-31, 01:45 AM
Destro steps into the arena. He looks around, and does a double take when he sees who's fighting. He immediately goes over to the betting area. Hello, I'd like to place a bet.
The bored looking NPC behind the counter looks at him. Ok. On who?
On Aesa to win.
Popular bet today. How much?
Everything I have.
Value in coins? The man raises an eyebrow.
Roughly Four hundred and twenty billion gold.
The NPC's eye twitches, but he records the bet and Destro takes a seat, grinning.

Gemini
2007-01-31, 02:45 PM
Gemini walks in, stretches, and looks at the people surrounded the arena. "It seems I'm not a very popular person here. No matter, Aesa! Your sins have granted you this punishment, thou shall bend to thy will!"

AmberVael
2007-01-31, 02:58 PM
Aesa laughs at him. Gemini, why don't you surrender now while you're ahead? She smirks and spins her rod, then speaks in a loud voice. Fate as my witness, if I lose, I will bow to your power. But if you lose... I will force you to bow to mine.

Gemini
2007-01-31, 03:01 PM
"I agree. But when I win your blasphemy shall come to an end as you leave this world...."

Takehiko the Marooned
2007-01-31, 03:09 PM
Rin, Nobu and Hiko enter the arena, and sit on Aesa's side. This should be fun...

AmberVael
2007-01-31, 03:11 PM
The only blasphemy here is your boundless arrogance and your assumption that you are someone to be held in respect. Look at you! A god, with no followers to back you up... do you not find it odd, how I, someone who has neither asked for or looked for followers, have found more support here than you? Aesa gestures to the gathering crowds. Once this battle is over, you will realize that your godhood is nothing... prepare yourself, guildmaster. Your words have been weighed, and have been found wanting truth...

Gemini
2007-01-31, 03:13 PM
"Those words shall be the end of your soul. I have let your egotistical actions go free without mention, this is the end."

Gorbad the Limb Rippa
2007-01-31, 03:19 PM
Mourn walks into the arena and sits on gemini's side

AmberVael
2007-01-31, 03:19 PM
Aesa smirks and stands ready to fight. This is where it ends... only you won't be leaving this arena. Now lets finish this... Her voice is quiet, not carrying far from herself.

Gemini
2007-01-31, 03:23 PM
Gemini unsheathes his sword. "Are you ready to die now? You shouldn't mettle with the gods that fabricate the world you live in. I care not for you anymore, you worthless scum...."

((Be back later.))

AmberVael
2007-01-31, 03:25 PM
Aesa raises her rod smoothly and points it towards him. Nor should you meddle with one who has reshaped the fates of thousands merely with her existance. Ready yourself, Gemini, for I do not fear a death which will not come to me.
((And now we wait.))

Sophistemon
2007-01-31, 04:56 PM
The bird flutters its wings in anticipation.

Timberwolf
2007-01-31, 05:03 PM
2 NPC's in the pay of Nightstar climb to the top of a viewing gantry and unfurl a banner in support of Aesa and decrying Gemini's potency, tastes, prowess in many matters and personal hygiene.

Deus Mortus
2007-01-31, 05:04 PM
Tinderhall yawns, If they're not going to hurry I'm going to kill both of them myself...

McBish
2007-01-31, 05:08 PM
The mutt comes inside. Their both pain in the arse. But I haven't had to deal with Aesa. Go Aesa!

Sophistemon
2007-01-31, 05:11 PM
The bird flies down to peck at a piece of bread. It relieves itself and flutters back up to its perch, where it peers at Gemini.

Deus Mortus
2007-01-31, 05:15 PM
Tinderhall raises his hand towards the bird, beckoning it to come sit on the hand.

Sophistemon
2007-01-31, 05:22 PM
The bird flies over and lands in Tinderhall's palm.

Deus Mortus
2007-01-31, 05:24 PM
Tinderhall places it on his shoulder and feeds it a few pieces of grain, So who are you rooting for Gent?

Sophistemon
2007-01-31, 05:25 PM
The bird coos.

<No one in particular, Tinderhall. You?>

Deus Mortus
2007-01-31, 05:27 PM
I'm hoping they both die, gods who die are always fun.

Sophistemon
2007-01-31, 05:30 PM
The bird preens it wings.

<Now, I'm not so sure about that. Besides, I don't think the girl is a god, despite the name of the battle. Half god, maybe. Or a form of celestial, like a Valkyrie.>

Deus Mortus
2007-01-31, 05:43 PM
Hmmm odd, well in that case I guess I'm rooting for the girl, though half deity is still bad, it ain't as bad a normal diety...

He changes his banner to say:

AESA GO KICK SOME DIVINE ASS AND MAKE SURE ALL DAMAGE IS PERMANENT!

Sophistemon
2007-01-31, 06:03 PM
The bird whistles.

<Now, no. Death isn't needed to settle this dispute.>

Deus Mortus
2007-01-31, 06:04 PM
True, but it would make it a lot more entertaining, plus I have some interest in seeing that Gemini person killed.

Sophistemon
2007-01-31, 06:11 PM
A squawk.

<Why?>

Deus Mortus
2007-01-31, 06:14 PM
If I revealed everything, what fun would there be left?

Sophistemon
2007-01-31, 06:27 PM
The bird twirts its agreement.

Deus Mortus
2007-01-31, 06:32 PM
Tinderhall grins, So you wanna place a friendly wager on this duel?

Saurous
2007-01-31, 06:35 PM
A large minotaur walks into the seats. He continues standing, mostly because it would take three chairs to support his girth.

The Gods have duped to fighting in such a pompous arena battle? What have the gods come to?

Gemini
2007-01-31, 07:02 PM
"Enough talk, time to die..."



Thanks to supreme int. I go first.


I move to N,10.
I then cast auto timestop maximized. ((Wizard casting, automatic so no levels are rasied.))


Time stop
I cast quickened divine power and quicken righteous might
---------------End of turn 1------------------
I cast quickened death dragon, and quickened life's grace on myself.
I cast twin summon golem on spaces T12 and T10 and summon Iron golems. ((The golems get their turn after my time stop ends.))
--------------------End of turn 2--------------------
I move to S11, I quicken cast blindsight, greater.
I cast quicken visage of the deity.
I cast freedom of movement on myself.
---------------------End of turn 3----------------------
I quicken cast draconic might.
I quicken cast vision of glory.
I cast haste.

----------------------End of turn 4-------------------
I quicken cast True casting.
I quicken cast Unicorn's heart.
-----------------------End of time stop----------------


The first golem attacks Aesa. Attack roll (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=852139) Damage (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=852165)
The second golem attacks Aesa. Attack roll (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=852174) Damage (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=852179)

You're up, if you're still alive...

Sophistemon
2007-01-31, 07:13 PM
The bird shakes its head.

<No thank you. I think we're rooting for the same person anyway.>

Deus Mortus
2007-01-31, 07:15 PM
Tinderhall laughs, Any other person in your position would've taken the bet and bended it the way he wanted it to be...

Gemini
2007-01-31, 07:17 PM
(( I really like how you all worship the cybering queen who is going to get her ass kicked. Your loss.))

Deus Mortus
2007-01-31, 07:20 PM
((Gemini wanna take a small bet, if you die in the next round, I win at the heaven's exile church and become the only guild in town, if not my guild will join you and I'll record an MP3 of me saying how awesome you are))

Gemini
2007-01-31, 07:22 PM
((Fine. If you ever saw a deities immunities I cannot be harmed by any effect in the game, I also have fast healing 40 and damage reduction 60. Yay! new members!))

Deus Mortus
2007-01-31, 07:23 PM
((now let's wait for Aesa's turn...))

AmberVael
2007-01-31, 07:37 PM
Sure thing.
Before Gemini can even move, Aesa sends a massive amount of small, force spheres at him and then vanishes from sight.

As an immediate action Aesa uses a 4th level spell slot to cast Celerity, giving her a readied action against Gemini's Time Stop.

Standard Action 1) With this standard action, Aesa casts Arcane Fusion, Greater (8th level spell) which lets her immediately cast (without spending spell slots) a spell of up to 7th level, as well as a spell of up to 4th level.
She uses both slots to cast Celerity.

Standard Action 2) Cast Arcane Fusion, Greater
7th- Celerity (To gain SA 4)
4th- Celerity (To gain SA 5)
Standard Action 3) Cast Arcane Fusion, Greater
7th- Celerity (to gain SA 6)
4th- Celerity (to gain SA 7)


Standard Action 4) Cast Arcane Fusion, Greater
7th- Celerity (SA 8)
4th- Celerity (SA 9)
Standard Action 5) Cast Arcane Fusion, Greater
7th- Celerity (SA 10)
4th- Celerity (SA 11)
Standard Action 6) Cast Arcane Fusion, Greater
7th- Celerity (SA 12)
4th- Celerity (SA 13)
Standard Action 7) Cast Arcane Fusion, Greater
7th- Celerity (SA 14)
4th- Celerity (SA 15)

Standard Action 8) Cast Arcane Fusion, Greater
7th- Arcane Fusion [
4th- Maximized, Empowered Force Missile
1st- Maximized, Empowered Magic Missile]
4th- Maximized, Empowered Force Missile

Standard Action 9) Cast Arcane Fusion, Greater
7th- Arcane Fusion [
4th- Maximized, Empowered Force Missile
1st- Maximized, Empowered Magic Missile]
4th- Maximized, Empowered Force Missile

Standard Action 10) Cast Arcane Fusion, Greater
7th- Arcane Fusion [
4th- Maximized, Empowered Force Missile
1st- Maximized, Empowered Magic Missile]
4th- Maximized, Empowered Force Missile

Standard Action 11) Cast Arcane Fusion, Greater
7th- Arcane Fusion [
4th- Maximized, Empowered Force Missile
1st- Maximized, Empowered Magic Missile]
4th- Maximized, Empowered Force Missile

Standard Action 12) Cast Arcane Fusion, Greater
7th- Arcane Fusion [
4th- Maximized, Empowered Force Missile
1st- Maximized, Empowered Magic Missile]
4th- Maximized, Empowered Force Missile

Standard Action 13) Cast Arcane Fusion, Greater
7th- Arcane Fusion [
4th- Maximized, Empowered Force Missile
1st- Maximized, Empowered Magic Missile]
4th- Maximized, Empowered Force Missile

Standard Action 14) Cast Arcane Fusion, Greater
7th- Arcane Fusion [
4th- Maximized, Empowered Force Missile
1st- Maximized, Empowered Magic Missile]
4th- Maximized, Empowered Force Missile

Standard Action 15) Cast Time Stop 1d4+1=2 (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=852207)
--Round One--
Cast Duelward, Quickened Mindblank, Quickened Superior Invisibility and Quickened Prismatic Sphere.
--Round Two--
Cast Greater Teleport to move to L 11.

Each of the 14 Maximized Empowered Force Missiles makes ten missiles of force that deal 2d6 damage each. I am willing to say the empowering deals minimum damage, just so I do not have to roll 280d6 and divide it by half. So that is an extra 140 damage from empowering. The normal missiles deal a total of 1680.
So for the Maximized, Empowered Force Missiles we have a total of:
1,820 force damage. No save, and there is no SR that Aesa cannot beat. Just in case though, SR checks are as follows:
1d20+47=54, 1d20+47=48, 1d20+47=48, 1d20+47=56, 1d20+47=51, 1d20+47=61, 1d20+47=56, 1d20+47=66, 1d20+47=64, 1d20+47=52, 1d20+47=64, 1d20+47=48, 1d20+47=52, 1d20+47=53 (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=852216)

Now there a five magic missiles in each of the 7 Magic Missile Spells, adn each missile of them deals 1d4+1 (maximized as five damage).
Base Damage: 175 + 35 (which is minimum empowered damage: half of each 1d4, so a minimum of one for each missile)
210 magic missile damage, and here are the SR checks:
1d20+47=62, 1d20+47=51, 1d20+47=50, 1d20+47=50, 1d20+47=56, 1d20+47=56, 1d20+47=48 (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=852223)

The total force damage (no saves) is 1,890 damage. This all occurs as a readied action to your time stop, so you cannot react to it in any way.

Deus Mortus
2007-01-31, 07:40 PM
((So how do you want me to destroy your church, fire or some way else?))

Sophistemon
2007-01-31, 07:44 PM
The bird squawks at Tinderhall as the actions starts.

<Shh! They're doing something.>

A pause.

<That was... impressive.>

((Worship? I beg your pardon? Verdandi happens to be a friend of mine; I meant no disrespect to you.))

Deus Mortus
2007-01-31, 07:46 PM
Next time you think you're allpowerfull, rmember what you just saw here, magic is pretty fun...

Gemini
2007-01-31, 07:47 PM
((How the hell can you do that from this:
you cannot see me nor detect me [ring of sequestering]
you can't ready ANYTHING before the match [or during my turn]
I have armor of negating, you lose. All of those spells are turned on you. I win.))

Basically, you kill yourself without me actually having to hurt you, nice.

AmberVael
2007-01-31, 07:51 PM
((Number 1:
You are invisible with ring of Sequestering (unless you trigger its ability, which you have not been able to). Aesa has an item that effectively gives her 200ft blindsight, so she can see.

Number 2: I did not ready any actions. As an immediate action (which can be taken at any time, as per the rules) I cast Celerity, which gives me one readied action.

Number 3: Force Missiles and Magic missiles do not count as magic weapons. Assuming that they DID, you would get a dispel check against them at 1d20+20 against a DC of 54. Autofail.))

Gemini
2007-01-31, 07:58 PM
((How about maybe ARMOR OF NEGATING? They are all turned. Don't forget you can't keep taking standard actions after another, they stack. You can't keep casting celerity, it dosen't make any sense. That is like saying, "Oh let me persistent spell time stop." that is what you are doing. Ask on the wizards of the coast forums, they will tell you the same thing. I win.
Oh yea, about that check? I automatically make it. sorry.))

EDIT: Celerity dosen't give you a readied action, it lets you take ONE standard action. Not one after another.

Deus Mortus
2007-01-31, 08:01 PM
((It's cheesy, but as long as she has the spellslots to cast them it works, it isn't always lasting, just very long if you have enough spellslots))

AmberVael
2007-01-31, 08:01 PM
((Armor of negating does not turn things. It does this:
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/magicItems/armor.htm#negating
Which does nothing to me.
And yes I can keep casting celerity. There is no rule against it. There is no such thing as it "stacking." Every time I cast the spell, I get a standard action. My post may seem like I horde them all up, but to put it how it actually happened would have been very, very confusing. Its much simpler this way.))

Kyrian
2007-01-31, 08:01 PM
((You know Gemini, I didn't want to get in this, but you've got to be the worst god character I've seen in Town. Iames, Sneak, me, and all the other gods? WE ACTUALLY TAKE DAMAGE!))

Sophistemon
2007-01-31, 08:02 PM
The bird hops from one leg to another and issues a ululating whistle.

<I don't think I've ever seen anything like that before, Tinderhall. If I have, it wasn't as visually stimulating; nor did it happen so quickly. What happens now, I wonder?>

((Settle down, people. It's only a game.))

Deus Mortus
2007-01-31, 08:05 PM
Now Gemini will reappear on his divine plane in a few decennia, or he will get ressurected after which I imagine he is very pissed. To actually kill a god you need to kill it on it's home plane and you are right, such a show of mental control over one's ability's is very exciting to watch.

Gemini
2007-01-31, 08:07 PM
*holds up middle finger to Kyrian and tells him he's a winey little asshat who should mind his own business and make sense*
I'll look it up on the wizards forums administration.

AmberVael
2007-01-31, 08:08 PM
There is an entire build based around this combo, its legal.

Sophistemon
2007-01-31, 08:09 PM
The bird chirps.

<Are you implying that the fight is over? So quickly? I would have assumed that a battle of such illustrious opponents would last at least a minute. In fact, I'm sure that this Gemini fellow has some sort of plan. He would have to, right?>

((Game, people. Game. They're supposed to be fun, remember?))

Deus Mortus
2007-01-31, 08:14 PM
Not really, with enough preperation time most people can think of a good way to finish as fast as possible, though this wouldn't have happened in a normal arena match where they would be able to raise proper defenses, I am afraid this is it.

AmberVael
2007-01-31, 08:15 PM
((Furthermore, if you really think I cannot do that, I can just cast 6 arcane fusions on my turn to blast 12 force missiles and 6 magic missiles at you, not using celerity at all. The golems miss, btw.))

Gemini
2007-01-31, 08:18 PM
((Ok good. Then I use divine sheild and they all miss my spell resistance as well.))

Deus Mortus
2007-01-31, 08:20 PM
((That would only stop 400 damage at most, given that you would be a rank 20 deity, plus her casting were a readied action, I think you can't use free actions before that, but I'm not sure))

AmberVael
2007-01-31, 08:20 PM
((And your SR is what?
Divine shield will only block 60 damage, by the way, and you would have had to activate on your turn.))

Gemini
2007-01-31, 08:20 PM
((I have over 1000 hp...))

EDIT: My divine shield is always active.

AmberVael
2007-01-31, 08:23 PM
((Divine shield only lasts 10 minutes, and can only be used 3+con bonus. Free action to use.
Again, what is your SR?))

Gemini
2007-01-31, 08:24 PM
((Are you kidding!?!?! DSA! always active geese, I gotta go. we'll argue tomorrw.))

Deus Mortus
2007-01-31, 08:24 PM
((How? even when you take the maximum 20 outsider dice plus 50 class level dice from a wizard, that would 20*8 = 160 and 50*4 = 200 hp would be 360 hp, 760 if all your class levels were barbarian, oh and Divine Shield (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/divine/divineAbilitiesFeats.htm#divineShield), it's like Verdandi said.))

McBish
2007-01-31, 08:25 PM
((http://www.d20srd.org/srd/divine/divineAbilitiesFeats.htm#divineShield))

AmberVael
2007-01-31, 08:27 PM
((He has 1180 HP. I calculated it myself.
First off:
Divine shield does indeed only activate on the deity's command.
Secondly, your SR, Gemini, is 40. You have deific SR of 38, and armor that gives you 27, but like I already told you, they do not stack.
Third: her first post was indeed legal

As far as I can tell, Gemini, you are dead))

wxdruid
2007-01-31, 10:40 PM
Cassandra sits back and smirks, knowing that Gemini has no hope, no hope at all.

Destro_Yersul
2007-02-01, 04:59 AM
Destro watches the arguing and grins evilly. He walks over to the bet counter, whistling happily. He grins at the Downcast NPC behind the counter. Hello friend, I'm here to collect my winnings. How much was it again? Quite a lot. Let's see, the odds were... Destro thinks. Well, you have them posted as 2:1, so you owe my eight hundred and fourty billion gp. I guess you never took the time to figure out what Aesa could do before posting those odds, hmm? Never assume gods can't lose. Destro grins and waits as the extremely unhappy NPC goes off to find someone who can authorize the transfer of that much gold.

Gorbad the Limb Rippa
2007-02-01, 12:36 PM
((...wow.That was hectic.))

Gemini
2007-02-01, 02:24 PM
First, no. I am indeed not dead. It seems no one looks at atcual rules of D&d here, so you CHEAT VERDANDI! You cannot take an immediate action if you are flat footed ((Which you are, since you haven't gone first.)) Second, you can't take more than one action from celerity ((Read it in the PHB 2, the celerity spells. After you take that action, you're dazed.)) Also, you cannot use more than ONE immediate action per round, like you cheated. I have links too. here. Besides, any sane DM would rule this cheese. Any sane Dm would rule this cheese. Oh, and I would like to see her character sheet. There is no magic item that grants blinsight out to 200. Again, since your flat footed, my golems hit. It as well says that in the spell description that you only gain the benfit for ONE USE!!! You cheat!! I cannot believe Vael rules that IN what the hell kind of DM are you?
Another thing, after casting celerity immiedatly after you take the next action, you are dazed, which screws up your loop, *******.

Celerity link: These guys know everything before you even think about it: Celerity rules (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=11355650#post11355650)

Flat-footed: You're flat footed (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/initiative.htm#flatFooted)


Anything else did I miss you cheater?!?!?

AmberVael
2007-02-01, 02:34 PM
((Calm down.
Ok, so I do not take my action, since I am flat-footed. Therefore, I am not dazed during my turn, so I will post that in a moment.
The item of blindsight is a custom made item based off of the power Touchsight. You are allowed to make custom items for the arena, and this item has been made before.
Unfortunately, your link actually proves your argument wrong, but whatever, it is a moot point.
My flat-footed AC is 55. They miss.
Now, my turn since that other did not happen, correct?))

Gemini
2007-02-01, 02:39 PM
((Actually, my link is right. You did do it to go first. Try not cheating. I can't believe the town doesn't look at the rules. Your custom weapon is gone. I wasn't told about any custom-made items. You won't use it. You wasted your turn. You can't just go around using cheese and wasting my time looking links for it. Now its my turn. You teleported. I go now. One more thing, I demand to see your character sheet, god knows how much you've cheated.))

CLouD2002
2007-02-01, 02:42 PM
((Sorry for butting in....but if you were to further read on in the thread this combo is still legal because of Arcane Fusion...read the spell description....another note....just chill it is a game :) ))

Gemini
2007-02-01, 02:43 PM
((Shut up, she used it to go first...Illegal on all counts and any sane DM SHOULD rule it out.))

Kyrian
2007-02-01, 02:44 PM
((Once again, calm down.))

Gemini
2007-02-01, 02:46 PM
((Tell me this? How on earth can I calm down when half the town is against me? Huh? You damn hypocrite just stay out, this dosen't concern you.))

Castaras
2007-02-01, 02:47 PM
(( Isn't the final desicion down to the DM? And wouldn't the arena judge count as DM? What does Vael say? ))

CLouD2002
2007-02-01, 02:48 PM
((Okay so you go first? Did you kill her? Prolly not....so she get to go...i think she would use the same combo....three words....just a game))

Kyrian
2007-02-01, 02:48 PM
((You know what Gemini? I won't stay out of it. Probably due to it makes me laugh that you're taking the internet so seriously. I'm laughing at you, right now.))

Gemini
2007-02-01, 02:50 PM
((I don't care. Vael rules that in and I lose all respect for him. NO DM SHOULD KEEP THAT!!))


EDIT: Kyrian, if you don't take the internet seriously, you are either a hacker or an immature brat. You aren't smart enough for the first choice. Castaras, Vael said that I lose and that her post is legal, he obivously dosen't play D&D.

Dark_Wind
2007-02-01, 02:52 PM
Sorry for butting in....but if you were to further read on in the thread this combo is still legal because of Arcane Fusion...read the spell description

No, for two reasons:

1. Celerity dazes you as soon as you use it. Unfortunately, due to the nature of arcane fusion, it's not quite clear how this aught to be handled, though it seems to me it should come into effect before the second celerity. Debatable, though, so...

2. You can't take immediate actions while flat-footed.

That all said, I personally am uspet that this battle had to be sullied by infinite-loop cheese. That kind of stuff should never leave Char-Op (http://boards1.wizards.com/forumdisplay.php?daysprune=&f=339).

P.S. Gemini, please calm down...

Kyrian
2007-02-01, 02:53 PM
P.S. Gemini, please calm down...

We've been trying to tell him this, but he just insists on insulting everyone.

Gemini
2007-02-01, 02:53 PM
((Thanks DW, I might be able to...))

EDIT: Kyrian, I don't like hypocrits.

Castaras
2007-02-01, 02:53 PM
(( Internet should be taken seriously. Games are not meant to be taken this seriously. See Sneak for more details. ))

(( And by the way, no DM I know would let you create a character that damned powerful, so you could shrug off that much damage. ))

(( That's my tuppence for this thread. ))

AmberVael
2007-02-01, 02:57 PM
((Please, everyone calm down. Aesa has talked to me, and will agree not to use that combo, and she will not use her custom magic items
That should solve the dispute, whether it is legal or not))

Deus Mortus
2007-02-01, 02:57 PM
((Tell me this? How on earth can I calm down when half the town is against me? Huh? You damn hypocrite just stay out, this dosen't concern you.))

((You might want to consider that there is a reason why that seems so, the whole town isn't as far I can see, but things like treating someone rude when he tries to rp a bit, that hurts your rep my friend. People dislike you for a reason and if what I saw is an example of how you treated other people in the past, I can imagine a lot of people must have taken a dislike towards you and you have no one else to blame but yourself.

Until then, I suggest you allow Vael to comment on this and reach a decision instead of directly flying into a rage.

Ack, simu-ed by Vael >_< BTW))

Gemini
2007-02-01, 02:58 PM
((See, I would die if that is legal. It's so damn cheap that she gets to create her own custom BS prc and items! I wasn't told about that...))

EDIT: Deus, I don't care what people think of me in the town. All they ever do is either powerplay or cyber. No one Rps well, and way too many people godmode.

Dark_Wind
2007-02-01, 03:00 PM
We've been trying to tell him this, but he just insists on insulting everyone.

With all due respect (and you should know that that's very little), you're hardly the least combative person I've ever encountered.

AmberVael
2007-02-01, 03:04 PM
((Look, if you guys HAVE to argue, can it at least be about the battle?
She has not even had a chance to use any of her PrC abilities, and I highly doubt it will even come up anyways.
I already sent you a PM on the subject of the PrC. Is this all you want to object to?))

Deus Mortus
2007-02-01, 03:04 PM
((See, I would die if that is legal. It's so damn cheap that she gets to create her own custom BS prc and items! I wasn't told about that...))

EDIT: Deus, I don't care what people think of me in the town. All they ever do is either powerplay or cyber. No one Rps well, and way too many people godmode.

((well first of all, you're lucky she didn't insist on using seid, like you are allowed to be a deity. Secondly if you don't care about what other's think about you in town, why are you upset when they all seem to dislike you? Hell, why are you even here?))

Gemini
2007-02-01, 03:04 PM
((I've PMed the answer, otherwise I am going to post my turn now.))

Dark_Wind
2007-02-01, 03:06 PM
K, Gemini, calm now, please.

Vael, my only complaint about the battle regards the arcane fusion infinite loop cheese. As I've said.


EDIT: That last was uncalled for, Gemini.

Deus Mortus
2007-02-01, 03:07 PM
((Then you shouldn't get pissed when other people try to annoy you back, anyway, if you want to continue this discussion PM me, let's not fill up this thread with things like this))

Gemini
2007-02-01, 03:08 PM
((Fine, whatever.))

AmberVael
2007-02-01, 03:10 PM
((Thats fine, Dark Wind. We have agreed that it will not be used again. Anyways, Verdandi gets to post her turn now))

Gemini
2007-02-01, 03:10 PM
((Yep. I really don't care otherwise.))

AmberVael
2007-02-01, 03:23 PM
((For the benefit of those who want to help determine rules/fairness.
Aesa- http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=6725
Gemini- http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=6777))

Gemini
2007-02-01, 03:40 PM
((I got a PM from Verdandi, she's using time stop. I counter with celerity and qucken globe of invulnerablility and move it on Aesa. I then quicken twin maximize energy drain on Aesa.))
Aesa takes 16 negative levels, and the golems charge her ((I'll get the roll hold on.)) Gemini charges Aesa ((I'll get the attacks rolls))

Deus Mortus
2007-02-01, 03:44 PM
((For the benefit of those who want to help determine rules/fairness.
Aesa- http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=6725
Gemini- http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=6777))

((How the hell is it going to be fair anyway? It's a lvl 40 against a lvl 60...))

AmberVael
2007-02-01, 03:48 PM
((Just because you dispel one of her spells does not mean you can negate her entire turn. She has more actions.
Also, you, as you said, are dazed after Celerity
Can we agree on that, Dark Wind?))

Sophistemon
2007-02-01, 03:52 PM
The bird hops from one foot to the other.

<I told you that it wasn't over.>

Deus Mortus
2007-02-01, 04:00 PM
Meh, it should've been over, damn judges...

Gemini
2007-02-01, 04:00 PM
((She challenged me remember?))

Gemini:First Attack (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=853676)
Damage 1st attack (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=853693)
Second attack roll (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=853687)
No crit (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=853688)
Second Damage (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=853697)
Attack (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=853698)
Damage (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=853700)
Attack (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=853703)
Damage (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=853709)
Po. Crit (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=853714)
Crit (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=853715)
Damage (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=853720)
((I posted all the links but It dosen't matter about the golems.))

I am immune to daze. I'm not dispelling her spell, I'm making a move beforehand.

EDIT: Yes, I am not immune to daze, someone calculate that damage for me please?))

Gorbad the Limb Rippa
2007-02-01, 04:02 PM
Mourn smirks as gemini's sword lunges for Aesa

AmberVael
2007-02-01, 04:03 PM
((No, you are immune to stunning and paralysis, not Daze. And plus, you only get one standard action, or if you use greater celerity, and a standard and a move. Or one full-round action. No free or swift actions))

Sophistemon
2007-02-01, 04:04 PM
The bird quickly raises its tail-feathers (threatening the imminent release of organic waste) then lowers them again. One eye winks.

<Stop complaining. It's far more exiting this way.>

Gemini
2007-02-01, 04:04 PM
((Fine, then I will use greater celerity so I can cast all of that stuff.

ged424
2007-02-01, 04:06 PM
Ged observes the pitiful battle

Dark_Wind
2007-02-01, 04:06 PM
((Aye, he's dazed now until the end of his next turn. Way to forget how the spell works, Gemini. Also, you can't quicken spells as part of celerity, since the spell does not explicitly grant you any swift actions and you've used your swift/immediate action for the round anyway. Finally, Aesa still gets her move action and swift action for the round, in addition to any free actions. It's still her turn. Jeez.))

AmberVael
2007-02-01, 04:06 PM
((No, you don't get it with Greater Celerity either. Only a move and standard.
Plus, how do you move and full attack?))
((No, Dark Wind, he would be using his swift action from his next turn, so he can cast it))

Gemini
2007-02-01, 04:10 PM
((Fine. I casted no spells then. Oh, and I didn't move. That other turn never happened.))


EDIT:Aesa cannot move, she is surrounded. The other turn never happened. I mean, she can move but you know.

ged424
2007-02-01, 04:12 PM
Ged draws
his swords

Jonnadiah
2007-02-01, 04:14 PM
((lolwut? Dude, this is a controlled Arena, the only two people fighting are Aesa and Gemini.))

ged424
2007-02-01, 04:15 PM
i know, dramatic effect and all

AmberVael
2007-02-01, 04:15 PM
((Even though having no custom items means I will have very few items left, so be it. In that case, I am also struck by the golems, but am far from dead.))
Aesa gets struck by the golems, then disappears in a blur. Gemini finds the area around him grow dead and silent, then a flurry of missiles pelts him from above.

Aesa casts a quickened Time Stop. 1d4+1=5 (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=853548)
--Round 1--
Aesa casts a Trueseeing, then flies up 50ft and to A 11. She then casts a quickened Duelward, quickened Superior Invisibility, quickened Greater Arcane Sight and a quickened Mind Blank.
((Aesa has 4 multispell feats, so she can cast 5 quickened spells and a normal spell each round.))
--Round 2--
Aesa casts 6 silence (five quickened), one pinpointed on each square around Gemini.
--Round 3--
Aesa waits.
--Round 4--
Aesa casts Displacement.
--Round 5--
Aesa casts Foresight.
--Normal Turn--
Aesa casts four quickened Greater Arcane Fusion, and one normal one. With the 5 7th level spell slots she casts Arcane Fusion. With her now 10 4th level spells she casts 10 Force Missiles.
((In preparation for the "known spell" argument, I will not attempt to use metamagic on them)).
With her 5 1st level she casts 5 Magic Missiles.
Force Missile Damage (10 missiles that deal 2d6 each for each of the 10 spells: 20d6=77, 20d6=75, 20d6=76, 20d6=71, 20d6=71, 20d6=77, 20d6=70, 20d6=73, 20d6=78, 20d6=65 (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=853655)
Magic Missile Damage: (five missiles that deal 1d4+1 for each of the 5 spells)
5d4+5=19, 5d4+5=16, 5d4+5=14, 5d4+5=17, 5d4+5=17 (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=853657)
816 force damage.

Dark_Wind
2007-02-01, 04:17 PM
((No, Dark Wind, he would be using his swift action from his next turn, so he can cast it))

((Yes, I know. What I meant is that since he uses his immediate action casting celerity, he can't use quickened spells in the same round. Sorry about the confusion.))

((@ Ged: ...?))

Gemini
2007-02-01, 04:18 PM
((Trueseeing dosen't work on me. No divinations. And what about my attack? how much damage? Those attacks weren't the golems, that was me. Oh, and just so you know Aesa, multispell dosen't stack. You get 2 quickened spells per round, and you can't hurt me in time stop. Read the spell before hand.)) My turn.

AmberVael
2007-02-01, 04:23 PM
((Wait, oh, sorry for confusing her. I though you had given up all spells, not just the quickened ones, so I told her to reply in that way.
Also, you are only invisible at the moment, and have no immunity to divination.
Furthermore, you only get one attack, and you calculated damage wrong))

Multispell [Epic]
Prerequisites

Quicken Spell, ability to cast 9th-level arcane or divine spells.
Benefit

You may cast one additional quickened spell in a round.
Special

You can gain this feat multiple times. Its effects stack.
((She did not cast any spells at you in her time stop, so they all hit you))

AmberVael
2007-02-01, 04:37 PM
((No, but you see, you had to move over to her, then attack. You can charge her, but you only get one attack at the end of the charge.
Your first attack dealt 145 damage last time.
Furthermore, again, she did not cast any offensive spells at you while in the time stop. It clearly says "--normal round--" before any of her force attacks.
Thirdly, she gets ANOTHER ROUND since you are dazed during this round which you jsut tried to take))

Chaotic Bob
2007-02-01, 04:38 PM
A small section of reality near the judges booth warps and then Chaotic Bob appears, yawning. He tries to find a seat in the middle as he prefers to not takes sides on people he doesn't even know.

Dark_Wind
2007-02-01, 04:38 PM
((She didn't cast any offensive spells during time stop.


EDIT: And yeah, you are dazed, genius. Your Golems can move, though, although you can't give them any new orders, so they are restricted to following their last given ones.))

Gemini
2007-02-01, 04:40 PM
((I know. Vael, On my first turn I moved to her. She stayed there until her turn. The cheese loop turn never happened. I got the full attack.))

EDIT: I know I'm dazed, forget that, My first 5 attacks killed her.

Dark_Wind
2007-02-01, 04:43 PM
((Watch:

1: You take your turn.

2: Aesa takes her turn, but is interrupted by you with greater celerity.

3: You get your second turn, but are dazed. Whee.))

Chaotic Bob
2007-02-01, 04:44 PM
((my my, this IS an argumentative fight now isn't it....))
Chaotic Bob smiles and pulls some popcorn out of a squished bag in his pocket.

Gemini
2007-02-01, 04:45 PM
((But I killed her.))

AmberVael
2007-02-01, 04:46 PM
((No, no, this is what he is saying now-
His celerity attacks killed her, from he said.
Unfortunately, his celerity attacks are calculated entirely wrong. You made it 36*1d6*20 which is HIGHLY incorrect. It should be 36d6+20.
Furthermore, not all of his attacks hit))

Gemini
2007-02-01, 04:47 PM
((What are you talking about? I got 5 attacks that did 36d6 damage and one crit. plus my strength mod. How do they not hit? You don't make sense.))

Chaotic Bob
2007-02-01, 04:49 PM
((um, "how did they not hit?"...they missed her person?))
Chaotic Bob frowns and wonders when the fight will continue.

Gemini
2007-02-01, 04:50 PM
((what is her ac without those custom Items? its like, 35.))

AmberVael
2007-02-01, 04:50 PM
((She has, without her amulet, 48 AC. You did not hit 48 Ac.
Also, you rolled you dice as if you had rolled 36 1d6+20's. Not 36d6+20))

Gemini
2007-02-01, 04:52 PM
((You're forgetting all my buffs=like 15 to all my attack and damge rolls. I hit. Besides, whats the difference?))


EDIT: We'll finish this tomorrow.

Dark_Wind
2007-02-01, 04:53 PM
((Yeah Gemini. Vael's right. Also, you really aught to figure out exaclty what all your buffs do to your ability scores/damage bonus, and include it in the die roll on invisible castle so we can see it. Otherwise, they don't help you at all. And I'd say there's quite a difference.))

Gemini
2007-02-01, 04:54 PM
((I did. +15 to all attack and damage rolls, goodbye.))

AmberVael
2007-02-01, 04:55 PM
((The difference is that you calculated it as being 36d6+720, rather than 36d6+20.
And furthermore, there is no weapon, deific or otherwise, that deals 36d6 as base damage. You have a greatsword that deasl 2d6))

Chaotic Bob
2007-02-01, 04:56 PM
((for this example class we will use d6= 5
now if you use 36(d6+20) then you get 900 damage.
If you use (36d6)+20 then you get 200.
Now does that answer all questions?))

Deus Mortus
2007-02-01, 04:58 PM
Perhaps, but I do find the other matches a more honest affair, go in, do your best and if you loose, do so with a friendly smile.

Lord Iames Osari
2007-02-01, 05:07 PM
((She has, without her amulet, 48 AC. You did not hit 48 Ac.
Also, you rolled you dice as if you had rolled 36 1d6+20's. Not 36d6+20))


((You're forgetting all my buffs=like 15 to all my attack and damge rolls. I hit. Besides, whats the difference?))

((Very well; I will show you the difference.

36 rolls of 1d6+20 is the same as 36*(x+20). For x (a variable (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable) representing your die roll), I will use the mean (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean) result of a d6, 3.5. In equation form, I am assuming that x=3.5.

=36*(x+20)
=36*(3.5+20) {substitute (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substitution_property_of_equality) 3.5 for x}
=36*3.5+36*20 {Distributive Principle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributive_law)}
=126+720 {Order of Operations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_operations) (PEMDAS) - Multiplication (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplication)}
=846 {Order of Operations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_operations) (PEMDAS) - Addition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addition)}

36d6+20 is the same as 36x+20, where x again represents your die roll. Again, I will use the mean (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean) result of 3.5. Again, in equation form, I am assuming that x=3.5.

=36x+20
=36*3.5+20 {substitute (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substitution_property_of_equality) 3.5 for x}
=126+20 {Order of Operations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_operations) (PEMDAS) - Multiplication (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplication)}
=146 {Order of Operations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_operations) (PEMDAS) - Addition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addition)}

To find the difference between two values, one subtracts the one from the other.

=846-146
=700 {Order of Operations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_operations) (PEMDAS) - Subtraction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subtraction)}

There is a difference of 700 points of damage between the way you did roll, and the way you should have rolled, assuming that you had a weapon capable of dealing such damage. However, as has been pointed out, you have only a greatsword.

Greatswords (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/equipment/weapons.htm#weaponQualities), as you will note upon consulting the SRD via the link I have provided, or upon consulting your own Player's Handbook, deal 2d6 damage rather than 36d6. If your book contains information contrary to this, then there has been a grievous editing or typesetting error, and you should find out which printing of the book you possess and notify Wizards of the Coast immediately, before any other souls completely innocent of any intent to cheat find themselves in a similar situation. Therefore, each attack of yours should in fact deal only 2d6+20 points of damage. This is put into the equation form 2x+20, where x represents your die roll. I will again be using the mean (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean) of 3.5 for x, which means that x=3.5.

=2x+20
=2*3.5+20 {substitute (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substitution_property_of_equality) 3.5 for x}
=7+20 {Order of Operations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_operations) (PEMDAS) - Multiplication (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplication)}
=27 {Order of Operations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_operations) (PEMDAS) - Addition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addition)}

Now that we have accurately calculated the damage your greatsword does, we can demonstrate the actual difference between your roll and what your roll should have been.

=846-27
=819 {Order of Operations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_operations) (PEMDAS) - Subtraction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subtraction)}

Therefore, you mistakenly claimed to have dealt 819 extra points of damage on every hit.

Keeping in mind that I do not know your level of education, I have provided links to the appropriate Wikipedia articles which explain the mathematical principles involved.))

Deus Mortus
2007-02-01, 05:12 PM
((Iames are you my grade school math teacher, he always took every opportunity to teach us the Order of Operations as well (well the dutch version)?))

Sophistemon
2007-02-01, 05:17 PM
The bird chirps.

<Is it me, or has time slowed to a crawl?>

Lord Iames Osari
2007-02-01, 05:18 PM
((Iames are you my grade school math teacher, he always took every opportunity to teach us the Order of Operations as well (well the dutch version)?))

((No, I am not.))

Deus Mortus
2007-02-01, 05:21 PM
Non linear times in places like these, remember?

((Aw, too bad, would've been fun ;) ))

wxdruid
2007-02-01, 05:48 PM
Cassandra waits for her teacher to finish the duel.

Sophistemon
2007-02-01, 06:01 PM
The bird twitters.

<Ah, yes. Quite handy, that.>

Deus Mortus
2007-02-01, 06:08 PM
True, though a bit confusing at times.

Sophistemon
2007-02-01, 06:15 PM
The bird settles down as a breeze billows by.

<You know, I've implemented something similar in my shop. It allows me to deal with many customers at once. For example, you and Catherine are buying clothes at the moment. Not this moment, of course. But in another moment some time in the near future.>

Deus Mortus
2007-02-01, 06:17 PM
I prefer cloning myself, I am currently here, in my realm and will be buying clothes soon...

Sophistemon
2007-02-01, 06:26 PM
The bird swats Tinderhall in the ear with a wing.

<That's for talking to my customers before I do.>

Deus Mortus
2007-02-01, 06:30 PM
Hey I was just trying to help, I try out this good think once and all I get is this? Next time I'll just fireball it, Tinderhall grins, obviously kidding.

((If it really bothers you that I did that, just say it and I won't do it again))

Sophistemon
2007-02-01, 06:34 PM
The bird fluffs its feathers.

<Bah. It's no big deal.>

((And it isn't.))

Deus Mortus
2007-02-01, 06:36 PM
Then don't make a big deal out of it, do you know what damages time paradox's like this cause? Now I am forced to do it, if you would've simply stated you prefered it one way or the other, there would've been no damage...

Sophistemon
2007-02-01, 06:41 PM
The bird seems to grin.

<I love non-linear time. Makes life so much more interesting.>

phoenixineohp
2007-02-01, 06:42 PM
And my page 3 I skip to the end to see if the bitc... arguing and name calling and insults and... fight is done yet. Apparently it isn't. Odd. Good example of why I don't read the arena threads though. Oh well.

*Places a little "Go Aesa!" flag in the stands before leaving*

Deus Mortus
2007-02-01, 06:42 PM
Hey, don't say I didn't told you so when some obscure god of time comes after you...

Destro_Yersul
2007-02-01, 06:48 PM
Chronos shakes a fist at the bird and then goes back to watching the fight.

Lord Magtok
2007-02-01, 07:17 PM
An android of Magtok's comes to the arena, and hands out fliers for a Sinister Lab of Evil. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32169)
It watches for cops cautiously as it does this.

Chaotic Bob
2007-02-01, 07:33 PM
Chaotic Bob grabs one of the fliers and stares at it with a funny look.
Villains these days....well, I know someone who might be interested....
Yietokalaioaka!
The flier bursts into a spray of blue tulips and vanishes.

--------
Chaotic Bob shakes himself awake and seeing that time continues to be suspended in the arena sighs.
Maybe it'll pick back up later....
He suddenly smiles and pulls out some onions. He walks over to the judge booth and smashes the onions on the floor, releasing the oil into the air.
Heheh, off I go....
Zuopuricaluricol....
Reality warps and Chaotic Bob vanishes.

Gemini
2007-02-05, 02:12 PM
((Sorry all! My computer gets a little screwy sometimes, also, I was wrong on the whole damage part. I cleary don't do 36d6 damage, I do something like 2d12 or like that. But another thing, I had looked at the wrong chart for damage, the chart was what the damage was when increased or decreased by size. I apologize. For that, I would like to redo my celerity turn, mainly because If I'd known I did that much, I would not have attacked.))

AmberVael
2007-02-05, 02:33 PM
((Upon consulting my Deities and Demigods handbook, I see absolutely no reason why your sword should deal more than normal damage for the weapon it is.
As for redoing your celerity turn... as much as I think it might not be such a good idea, go ahead))

Gemini
2007-02-05, 03:03 PM
((Yeah, it does normal damage, plus the magic like the acidic and sonics stuff. I think I saw in the deities defined section, under the chart weapon damage by size. I must thought something else, and screwed up. By the way, Darkwind's computer crashed, becaues of his sister using myspace, so he cannot get on right now. I might get him on, but on Jonnadiah's profile. DW can't get on until the end of the week, and this match will have most likely ended before then.))
Instead of attacking ((Thank you.)) Gemini casts globe of invulnerability on himself.

((I'm going to post my next turn as well.))

AmberVael
2007-02-05, 03:05 PM
((Hang on hang on. You are dazed from celerity, and she gets to edit her post as she wants in response to your casting.
So she gets to A) Edit her post as she sees fit in reponse to your post, and
B) Take her next turn, since you are dazed during yours

Current order of events:

1. Gemini's Round
2. Gemini's immediate action
3. Aesa's first round (needs edit in response to edit on event 2)
4. Gemini's round where he is dazed and cannot take actions
5. Aesa's second round which has not yet been taken))

Gemini
2007-02-05, 03:28 PM
((She shouldn't be able to, I didn't get a chance to change my post when she redid her turn.))

AmberVael
2007-02-05, 03:31 PM
((1. Gemini's Round
2. Gemini's immediate action
3. Aesa's first round (needs edit in response to edit on event 2)
4. Gemini's round where he is dazed and cannot take actions
5. Aesa's second round which has not yet been taken

The round you just took is the one you are dazed during.
Plus Aesa needs to edit her first round in response to your edit.

Excuse me? You made a very crucial change to how things went. You haven't had a chance to react to her posts yet, because you haven't been in this situation.
You see, the reason she gets to edit hers is because this changes how the entire match went. Aesa should have known that you cast Globe of Invulnerability, and there would have been no reason for her to cast any of her 4th level spells.
She has every reason to be able to edit her post))

Gemini
2007-02-05, 03:33 PM
((? Why? she already made her action. She can't edit it again, she can just take another turn. I didn't get a chance to edit my turn after she redid it.))

AmberVael
2007-02-05, 03:35 PM
((Thats because your turn came before her post. You see, the editing you just did changes how her actions should have gone. You changed a post that came BEFORE hers, thus changing the situation she was in when she made that post))

Gemini
2007-02-05, 03:44 PM
((Yea, but I didn't get a chance to change my first turn when she pulled the celerity cheese. It won't make much of a difference anyway. She can take her next turn now.))

AmberVael
2007-02-05, 03:47 PM
((You didn't get a chance to change your first turn only because before I could tell you that you could change it to react to her celerity thingy, we determined that her move was against the rules. Otherwise you would have gotten the same opportunity.
So we agree that she gets to edit, then make her next turn?))

Gemini
2007-02-05, 06:39 PM
((Deal. Sure thing, she can go. And or edit her turn then go again.))

AmberVael
2007-02-05, 07:08 PM
((Ok, so due to the edit a few things will be a bit screwy, but I think I can make sense out of it for you guys. This post includes my previous post and its minor edit, and then my next turn. The bold text is what I edited.))


Aesa casts a quickened Time Stop. 1d4+1=5 (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=853548)
--Round 1--
Aesa casts a Trueseeing, then flies up 50ft and to A 11. She then casts a quickened Duelward, quickened Superior Invisibility, quickened Greater Arcane Sight and a quickened Mind Blank.
--Round 2--
Aesa casts 6 silence (five quickened), one pinpointed on each square around Gemini.
--Round 3--
Aesa casts Wish to create a scroll of Mage's Disjunction
--Round 4--
Aesa casts Displacement.
--Round 5--
Aesa casts Foresight.
--Normal Turn--
Aesa uses her scroll of Mage's Disjunction focused around Gemini's area, then casts four quickened Greater Arcane Fusion, and one normal one ((NOTE: THIS EXTRA STANDARD ACTION (to cast Force missile) WILL BE SUBTRACTED FROM MY NEXT TURN, AND WILL ACTUALLY TAKE PLACE ON MY NEXT TURN. I WILL MAKE NOTE OF WHEN IT ACTUALLY TAKES PLACE.)) With the 5 7th level spell slots she casts Arcane Fusion. With her now 10 4th level spells she casts 10 Force Missiles.
With her 5 1st level she casts 5 Magic Missiles.
Force Missile Damage (10 missiles that deal 2d6 each for each of the 10 spells: 20d6=77, 20d6=75, 20d6=76, 20d6=71, 20d6=71, 20d6=77, 20d6=70, 20d6=73, 20d6=78, 20d6=65 (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=853655)
Magic Missile Damage: (five missiles that deal 1d4+1 for each of the 5 spells)
5d4+5=19, 5d4+5=16, 5d4+5=14, 5d4+5=17, 5d4+5=17 (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=853657)
816 force damage.


((Gemini's dazed turn. I believe after this point he has the option of using an immediate action again.))

Turn 2:

--The standard action that cast the last forcemissile goes off here--
((I do it this way so I will not have to reroll, and we all know I would cast force missiles on this turn anyways. The damage dealt right here are the last two force missile rolls and the last Magic Missile from turn one.))
Aesa then casts three quickened Greater Arcane Fusions, using each of those to cast an Arcane Fusion and a Force Missile, and using the Arcane Fusions to cast a Forcemissile and a Magic Missile.
Six Force Missiles:
Force Missiles (20d6=82, 20d6=53, 20d6=63, 20d6=82, 20d6=54, 20d6=65) (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=860213)
Three Magic Missiles
Magic Missiles (5d4+5=19, 5d4+5=16, 5d4+5=20) (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=860224)

454 Force Damage Total.

She then casts Quickened Prismatic Sphere.

Lord Sidereal
2007-02-06, 01:21 PM
((we could really do with some sort of rules-light, semi free form way of resolving town comabt, couldn't we? Less bugged and pernivckty than actual D&D (which works fine until hardcore PvP come sinto it) but more able to determine a victor than, say, simply typing out what you do as you do it))

Deus Mortus
2007-02-06, 04:37 PM
((are you kidding me? I love this kind or rules combat, though I don't think I'm able to pull it off, I find it very entertaining to watch...))

Lord Sidereal
2007-02-07, 01:05 PM
((i don't mind a bit of one-upmanship as far as the rules are concerned but this is beyond the pail. Verdandi shouldn't have exploited a (dodgy) infinite loop and Gemini shouldn't have acted the way he did))

AmberVael
2007-02-07, 01:09 PM
((I really do not like people who are so assured of themselves and their victory. Granted, I am a hypocrite for that, but it explains why I would stoop so low as to have tried that.
Of course, it got overruled and I am still winning anyways...))

Lord Sidereal
2007-02-07, 01:16 PM
((having seen you fight a few PvP battles, had i been on the forums when all this was kicking off (i have had a break from the town) I would have had alot of money behind you. Whats happened to Exile's, considering all this?))

AmberVael
2007-02-07, 01:19 PM
((Oh. Aesa got suspended from the guild for um, sleeping with her lover in the guild and repeatedly insulting Gemini, then she quit entirely and the guild kinda went downhill from there. Not that my absence caused it to go downhill, but for one reason or another it got somewhat abandoned.))

Sophistemon
2007-02-07, 08:19 PM
((Should the Exiles actually be disbanded, the Gent would be more than willing to hire those newly jobless individuals positions in the shop. Just a thought.))

The bird preens its left wing.

<I'm bored. Is this going to pick up any time soon.>

Deus Mortus
2007-02-07, 08:25 PM
((HEY, they will join my guild, I want more members :P ))

I hope so, if not I'm pretty sure we can declare Verdandi as the winner.

Sophistemon
2007-02-07, 08:28 PM
The bird shrugs.

<Now, now. We have all the time in the world. I just wish it'd move along with a smidgen more haste.>

Deus Mortus
2007-02-07, 08:30 PM
True, but I can think of better ways to spend all that time, oh by the way, do you have any obsidian crystals in your shop?

Sophistemon
2007-02-07, 08:32 PM
The bird twitters a laugh.

<I sell everything. You should have picked that up by now.>

Deus Mortus
2007-02-07, 08:33 PM
Well I figured that, but obsidian crystals are rather hard to handle, so perhaps you held them somewhere outside the shop, I'll come by sometime later to pick some up to create a physical portal from the town to my realm.

Sophistemon
2007-02-07, 08:37 PM
The bird nods.

<Sure. No problem.>

Gemini
2007-02-08, 02:50 PM
((Hey, everyone, Aesa cheats again! You can't use wish to cast a 9th level spell like Mordenkainen's disjunction. Redo your turn. *Throws PHB at Verdandi* (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/wish.htm)
I have one question, Verdandi? Do you actually know how to play D&D? It seems when I look at your character sheet it says to me, "I pulled this out of nowhere and I can get away with it!" Every time you are so called 'winning' it is because you have cheated and I haven't correctec you yet. I'm also suprised at how I am again the only one who has seen a problem with her cheating. Either everyone is stupid around here, or no one plays D&D and reads or rules.))




EDIT: The guild is still alive, it's just I am very sick of this forum because of the mindless cybering and powerplayers around here.

Kyrian
2007-02-08, 02:53 PM
*Finds it quite funny that Gemini bitches everytime I post here, yet calls everyone's attention to the smallest stuff.*

Gemini
2007-02-08, 03:00 PM
((hehe, funny. After I beat Verdandi I want to challenge you in the Arena, Kyrian. But wait, you have to stop cybering and learn how to play D&D first.))

AmberVael
2007-02-08, 03:04 PM
((I did not use a wish to cast a Mage's Disjunction. I used a Wish to create scroll of Mage's Disjunction and then cast the scroll. That is within the legal limits of a Wish.))

Kyrian
2007-02-08, 03:04 PM
Hmm, funny. I do know how to play. But I guess you wouldn't know that since you're too busy flaming everyone here.

Deus Mortus
2007-02-08, 03:05 PM
A wish can produce any one of the following effects.

Duplicate any wizard or sorcerer spell of 8th level or lower, provided the spell is not of a school prohibited to you.
Duplicate any other spell of 6th level or lower, provided the spell is not of a school prohibited to you.
Duplicate any wizard or sorcerer spell of 7th level or lower even if it’s of a prohibited school.
Duplicate any other spell of 5th level or lower even if it’s of a prohibited school.
Undo the harmful effects of many other spells, such as geas/quest (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/geasQuest.htm) or insanity (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/insanity.htm).
Create a nonmagical item of up to 25,000 gp in value.
Create a magic item, or add to the powers of an existing magic item.
Grant a creature a +1 inherent bonus to an ability score. Two to five wish spells cast in immediate succession can grant a creature a +2 to +5 inherent bonus to an ability score (two wishes for a +2 inherent bonus, three for a +3 inherent bonus, and so on). Inherent bonuses are instantaneous, so they cannot be dispelled. Note: An inherent bonus may not exceed +5 for a single ability score, and inherent bonuses to a particular ability score do not stack, so only the best one applies.
Remove injuries and afflictions. A single wish can aid one creature per caster level, and all subjects are cured of the same kind of affliction. For example, you could heal all the damage you and your companions have taken, or remove all poison (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/specialAbilities.htm#poison) effects from everyone in the party, but not do both with the same wish. A wish can never restore the experience point loss from casting a spell or the level or Constitution loss from being raised from the dead.
Revive the dead. A wish can bring a dead (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/conditionSummary.htm#dead) creature back to life by duplicating a resurrection (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/resurrection.htm) spell. A wish can revive a dead creature whose body has been destroyed, but the task takes two wishes, one to recreate the body and another to infuse the body with life again. A wish cannot prevent a character who was brought back to life from losing an experience level.
Transport travelers. A wish can lift one creature per caster level from anywhere on any plane and place those creatures anywhere else on any plane regardless of local conditions. An unwilling target gets a Will save (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/combatStatistics.htm#will) to negate the effect, and spell resistance (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/specialAbilities.htm#spellResistance) (if any) applies.
Undo misfortune. A wish can undo a single recent event. The wish forces a reroll of any roll made within the last round (including your last turn). Reality reshapes itself to accommodate the new result. For example, a wish could undo an opponent’s successful save, a foe’s successful critical hit (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/actionsInCombat.htm#criticalHits) (either the attack roll (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/combatStatistics.htm#attackRoll) or the critical roll), a friend’s failed save, and so on. The reroll, however, may be as bad as or worse than the original roll. An unwilling target gets a Will save (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/combatStatistics.htm#will) to negate the effect, and spell resistance (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/specialAbilities.htm#spellResistance) (if any) applies.

She created a scroll, not just straight away casted the spell...

Gemini
2007-02-08, 03:11 PM
((Too bad, can't use scrolls of spells you don't have. Last time I checked, she didn't have MDJ.))

AmberVael
2007-02-08, 03:13 PM
The user must have the spell on his or her class list.
((Not my list, class list.))

Gemini
2007-02-08, 03:16 PM
((No, you cannot cast it regularly, so you cannot use a sscroll of it.))

Kyrian
2007-02-08, 03:17 PM
Kyrian stands up from his seat in the stands.

GO AESA!

AmberVael
2007-02-08, 03:21 PM
Scrolls (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/scrolls.htm#activatetheSpell)

The spell must be of the correct type (arcane or divine). Arcane spellcasters (wizards (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/sorcererWizard.htm#wizard), sorcerers (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/sorcererWizard.htm#sorcerer), and bards (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/bard.htm)) can only use scrolls containing arcane spells, and divine spellcasters (clerics (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/cleric.htm), druids (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/druid.htm), paladins (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/paladin.htm), and rangers (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/ranger.htm)) can only use scrolls containing divine spells. (The type of scroll a character creates is also determined by his or her class.)
((It is an arcane scroll, and Aesa is an arcane caster.))

The user must have the spell on his or her class list.
((It is on the sorcerer class list.))

The user must have the requisite ability score.
((I definitely have a high enough ability score.))

If the user meets all the requirements noted above, and her caster level is at least equal to the spell’s caster level, she can automatically activate the spell without a check.
((My caster level is 41. The scroll's is 17. I cast it without a check.))

Kyrian
2007-02-16, 07:31 AM
GO AESA!!!! KICK HIS ASS!!!

((So...it's been a week...))

Deus Mortus
2007-02-16, 08:52 AM
((Indeed, though Gemini hasn't been online since 3 days, so maybe he has some internet connection or pc trouble, I don't like him, but we need to give him the benefit of the doubt))

Sophistemon
2007-02-16, 09:59 AM
((He isn't banned, so we can only assume that he's having some Internet trouble. I hope to see this fight finished soon, though.))

AmberVael
2007-02-17, 12:12 PM
Unforunately... Gemini has obviously declined to post in this match further. Due to his lack of posting (despite having been on a few times after his last post) the match will be declared over. As Aesa has the most HP left, and her last round would have killed Gemini, I believe the winner of the match is clear.
This match is over.

Roland St. Jude
2007-02-17, 02:16 PM
This match is over.

Sheriff of Moddingham: Agreed. This thread is being locked for my review and, given that it has served its purpose, I probably won't reopen it.