A tiny Knight

[deathwolf669]

Hey guys I am looking to make a silly character for a bit of a giggle.

The characters is going to be a knight probably evil, he has lost all but his boots gambling, even lost the titan but after eating the winner no one wanted to take it.

He has to be tiny as he is riding a pigmy battle titan, it has a permanent collar of shrinkage on.

So I am looking for something tiny, the LA doens't really matter just want something that would be a bit funny, probably wont live more than 1 or 2 encounters.

[Metahuman1]

Sounds like a job for a Pixie.

Or a half Giant that's had Return to Nature placed on it once.

Also, a dip in Crusader might not go amiss in this build, just saying.

[deathwolf669]

I was thinking pixie or some sort of fey.

What books are they in?

[BowStreetRunner]

I was thinking pixie or some sort of fey.

What books are they in?

You can get the Pixie from the SRD here (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/sprite.htm#pixie). Your biggest drawback is going to be the Strength penalty, so while Weapon Finesse will help your attack rolls it would be nice to pick up some other bonus besides STR to damage.

[Fax Celestis]

Ask your DM if you can play a Skiurid (MM-IV).

[deathwolf669]

Bow> Str doesn't matter, the battle titan is going to be the weapon, the knight has no weapons. What book is the Pixie in?

Fax Celestis> You are suggesting I play as an evil knight that is a squirrel?

I like your thinking :D

[Vhaidara]

Pixie is MM1

[deathwolf669]

Thanks Keledrath.


EDIT: The pixie aint tiny, next suggestion please. Might take a Grig

[Fax Celestis]

I played a knight skiurid myself. I got it houseruled that a reach weapon would let me threaten adjacent squares, and played as a scout with Wild Cohort and the Riposte ACF: I got my extra damage by making my enemies miss. Crazy fun.

[Metahuman1]

Um, what? I'm like 99% sure that Pixie is listed as Tiny.

[nedz]

You might find some ideas in this old thread (http://community.wizards.com/forum/previous-editions-character-optimization/threads/1059231).

[Marnath]

Um, what? I'm like 99% sure that Pixie is listed as Tiny.

Pixies are the size of halfings.

[deathwolf669]

Pixies are the size of halfings.

Monster manual says they are small!

[Darrin]

Jermlaine (MM2) is a tiny fey with LA +0. Muckdwellers (Serpent Kingdoms) are also tiny, LA +0.

If you want even smaller, a Hengeyokai (Oriental Adventures, LA +0 if you have access to the 3.5 update in Dragon #318) is diminutive-sized in crab form, or fine-sized in sparrow form.

Underfoot Combat/Confound the Big Folk (Races of the Wild) are worth considering. Also, check out the "Fine But Deadly" build in Person_Man's Knight Handbook (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109429).

There may have been a variation on this that came up in an Iron Chef... I think it was a combo with Confound the Big Folk and Vow of Peace. You enter your opponent's square and use your Knight's Challenge (and maybe Goad) to force your opponents to attack you, which have a 50% chance of striking your opponent instead. Out of the 50% that target you, any manufactured weapon that hits then has to make a Fort save or it shatters.

I'm not sure how you get a Vow of Peace on an evil knight, but I'm sure stranger things have happened.

[deathwolf669]

Darrin, I had see those 2 before asking and neither of them look good for what I want.

I will have a look at the knights hand book, but I am only really here for race ideas, the rest of the idea is pretty set out.

Is it possible to shrink one of the current races from small to tiny, if so where do I find the mechanics for that?

[Marnath]

Monster manual says they are small!

Yes, that is what I said. :smallconfused:

The pixie is on average a few inches shorter, but not much.

[deathwolf669]

I know, was emphasizing what you said.


So any way to shrink a small creature to tiny?

[Darrin]

Is it possible to shrink one of the current races from small to tiny, if so where do I find the mechanics for that?

Eberron Campaign Setting p. 114-115, "Return to Nature".

[BWR]

Come on, folks!

Sir Didymus! (http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Sir_Didymus)

[deathwolf669]

Come on, folks!

Sir Didymus! (http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Sir_Didymus)

I would say he more falls under the small category rather tiny.

[Fax Celestis]

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c400/Metamorphixe/eagle7avatr.png

For reference, this is Solomirathius, my awakened skiurid scout.

[Darrin]

Sir Didymus! (http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Sir_Didymus)

...who is also in Person_Man's Knight Handbook (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109429).

[deathwolf669]

Who is a halfling and not tiny!

The collar of shrinkage makes the battle titan small not medium. A small creature can not have a small mount.

Moving on to the NE squirrel riding the pigmy battle titan. Do you think if he got his head caught in an arm of dendritic armour while it was chewing out the squishy bit on the inside it would have grown around the titan?

[BWR]

I would say he more falls under the small category rather tiny.

He rides an old English sheepdog, which I would put at size Small, which would make Didymus TIny. Ignore the fact that he's about the size of his mount.

[deathwolf669]

Hmmm thats true.

Guess I can run Sir Didimus rather than Sir Squirrel

[Person_Man]

Note that the main benefit of being "Fine but Deadly" is Underfoot Combat (the ability to move into larger enemy's spaces without provoking an attack of opportunity, force enemies to target you with Test of Mettle, and then 50% of their attacks hit the creature whose space you're in).

If you're riding a mount of some kind, you gain increased mobility and the damage multiplier from the lance, which is very helpful for Ride by Attack + Spirited Charge + Test of Mettle + something that prevents enemies from getting within 5 feet of you. But your mount does not benefit from Underfoot Combat unless they also take the required Feats, and even then they'd be 1 size larger then your player. And Sir Didymus does not want to be smaller then Small, as that decreases his damage output and makes every battlefield control option (Stand Still, Knock-Down, etc) harder, since your size and reach are smaller.

So my suggestion is that you should either play your take on my Fine but Deadly build or my Sir Didymus" build, but I wouldn't combine them (except in terms of fluff, in which case you should do whatever you want).

[deathwolf669]

Person_Man> Keep in mind the only thing I have is a pair of boots and my mount. You seem to be missing the point, the whole thing is based around a TINY character as he is riding a SMALL battle titan that has been shrunk due to a shrinkage collar!

So in a thread that is talking about finding a TINY race can people please stop going oh here is a feat or here be a small person. If I cannot ride the titan the fun falls out of the character as it is there to take the mick rather than be a proper character.

If its lives more than 2 sessions I will be amazed as he has no armour, all the money for the character is being spent on the mount as no one has been able to get close enough to claim it.

[Snowbluff]

Kobolds can have the ability to count as tiny with a web enhancement.

[deathwolf669]

Hmmm a venerable Kobold :D

Any idea which one? I will try and hunt it down


EDIT: I think you might mean the Slight Build from the races of the dragon part 2 web enhancement.

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20060420a

[otakumick]

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20060420a
for kobolds

edit: koboldsaged or maybe knightbolded

[deathwolf669]

otakumick> is it the slight build paragraph as it doesnt seem to read that equipment would count as smaller.

[Vhaidara]

"A kobold can use weapons designed for a creature one size smaller without penalty."

Basically, if it is advantageous, they can count as Tiny.

[deathwolf669]

But would that count towards a mount as well?

[otakumick]

Not entirely sure it would count for riding a small mount... but it would fit the fluff of the ability and would fit into a broad enough reading of the raw... though an argument could likely be made for it not working by the raw so *shrugs*

[deathwolf669]

Not entirely sure it would count for riding a small mount... but it would fit the fluff of the ability and would fit into a broad enough reading of the raw... though an argument could likely be made for it not working by the raw so *shrugs*

So DMs rule, guess I have to get a tiny character, any way to make a battle titan pertinently a medium creature with minimal reductions?