Lucid Dreaming; What is it good for?

[Vaz]

#sings "Absolutely nothing!"

Now that I've got that out of the way, what use is it actually for. Yes, yes, saveless assassination shy of having several items of Energy resistance.

But what you do with Lucid Dreaming?

[shylocke]

Allow bonus XP to be earned by party lucid dream adventures. Come to think of it, you could to a whole campaign in your characters dreams. There are even monsters for it.

[Gemini476]

If your whole party has it (or one person has it and can drag the rest through), you could have entire mini-adventures on the Plane of Dreams that don't even use up your consumables.

That's a pretty great thing, actually: if you have scrolls of stuff, you can Scry freely or whatever while in the dream and then still have the scroll unused when you wake up.

Personally I'd try to track down that girl in the stasis container, but that's just because I'm a sucker for when D&D drops in some sci-fi elements.

[shylocke]

If your whole party has it (or one person has it and can drag the rest through), you could have entire mini-adventures on the Plane of Dreams that don't even use up your consumables.

That's a pretty great thing, actually: if you have scrolls of stuff, you can Scry freely or whatever while in the dream and then still have the scroll unused when you wake up.

Personally I'd try to track down that girl in the stasis container, but that's just because I'm a sucker for when D&D drops in some sci-fi elements.

If you read into illithids, they are from the future and even have time/planar traveling spaceships

[Clistenes]

The Manual of the Planes says that you can't earn xp battling dream monsters, unless you travel to the Dreamheart, which is very dangerous, because you find literal creatures from nightmares there, and you can die there.

A better use would be to enter other people's dreams to retrieve information.

[Jack_Simth]

#sings "Absolutely nothing!"

Now that I've got that out of the way, what use is it actually for. Yes, yes, saveless assassination shy of having several items of Energy resistance.

But what you do with Lucid Dreaming?
Get a scroll of Wish, a scroll of Plane Shift, and a scroll of Greater Teleport.
Go to Sleep.
Do Lucid Dreaming.
Use the scroll of Plane Shift to get to your normal plane.
Use the scroll of Greater Teleport to get next to your body.
Use the scroll of Wish to create some cash.
Wake up.
Pick up the cash, realize that your scrolls are all still intact.

[Zombulian]

Get a scroll of Wish, a scroll of Plane Shift, and a scroll of Greater Teleport.
Go to Sleep.
Do Lucid Dreaming.
Use the scroll of Plane Shift to get to your normal plane.
Use the scroll of Greater Teleport to get next to your body.
Use the scroll of Wish to create some cash.
Wake up.
Pick up the cash, realize that your scrolls are all still intact.

... MY MIIIND

[JaronK]

Lucid Dream your way over to the big bad's dreams, and diplomancy him to your side.

JaronK

[Gemini476]

... MY MIIIND

Take the feats Dreamtelling, Oneiroancy, and Improved Oneiromancy (all Heroes of Horror).

Do the whole Plane Shift thing to get to your body.

Cast Dream Walk on your sleeping body, bringing it into your dreamscape.

Don't ask me what happens when you wake up.

Yes, I stole this from the Dream of Metal. Why do you ask?

[Skysaber]

Does it list anywhere if anyone has this as a class skill?

[Svata]

Take the feats Dreamtelling, Oneiroancy, and Improved Oneiromancy (all Heroes of Horror).

Do the whole Plane Shift thing to get to your body.

Cast Dream Walk on your sleeping body, bringing it into your dreamscape.

Don't ask me what happens when you wake up.

Yes, I stole this from the Dream of Metal. Why do you ask?

Oh no, I've gone cross-eyed. (I know that's for time travel, but it still fits)

[JaronK]

Does it list anywhere if anyone has this as a class skill?

Factotums, Experts, and Exemplars do, all due to having all classes skills.

JaronK

[Phelix-Mu]

The Dream of Metal is worth a read, if any of you are looking for extremely TO use of dream magic and psionics. Very cool, if rather mindbending.

The main thing to note about Lucid Dreaming is its extremely open-ended nature, rooted in a combination of poor wording and failure to address seemingly obvious uses (like using magic to move people and things in and out of dreamscapes).

[ZamielVanWeber]

Factotums, Experts, and Exemplars do, all due to having all classes skills.

JaronK

And Savants in Dragon Magazine Compendium.

[herrhauptmann]

The Dream of Metal is worth a read, if any of you are looking for extremely TO use of dream magic and psionics. Very cool, if rather mindbending.

Is it a post?
A book?
A build?
Author?

[Irk]

By creating that flower that gives you a wish, you can use it to create transdimensinoal resetting wish traps.

[SowZ]

I did a session like this, where a powerful psion pulled them all into his dreamscape. It was screwy, based on perception and confidence and belief and sometimes lack of knowledge was beneficial. But I didn't use the Lucid Dreaming skill.

[Phelix-Mu]

Is it a post?
A book?
A build?
Author?

Hmm. rockdeworld made a post of famous TO/PO builds...I think there was a link in there. Lemme see if I can dig it up. It's worth a read, even if I'm not sure if it all actually works as advertised (there is a ton of sketchy RAW that it draws on...determining if it works is way above my pay grade).

I'll post the link if I find it.

EDIT: And here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121334)we go.

[Chronos]

Is it a post?
A book?
A build?
Author?
It's a post on another message board, based on two concepts: The first is that having a really weird dream is somehow a sufficiently evil act that it causes you to become a lich, and the second is that, having become a lich, it's a good idea to hide your phylactery someplace where you can't possibly escape if you ever need to regrow from it.

You might guess that I'm not a big fan of it.

[herrhauptmann]

Yeah, I'm not seeing the brilliance of that thing.

Some of that however did remind of a short story "He died that day, in 30 years."
A man takes a potion which lasts for say an hour. At the end of that hour, he loses all his memories of the last hour.
No idea how he ended up where he'd been.
He gets all angsty about how some stranger was living his life during the period of effect, even though it was all him.

[Clistenes]

Question: Any idea about how could be possible to preserve, harvest and move Dreamscapes? Like, an Archwizard or Archfiend keeping a collection of them in its Demiplane/Planar Layer?

[Ruethgar]

Create a building in your dreamscape that includes spells traps as part of the architecture. Congrats you just won the game at level 1.

Of course Irk has a more viable option as some people think that the benign clause applies to the examples given(RAW it doesn't RAI it definitely does). I am AFB atm, but the wish flower can be found in the same dragon magazine as the spell sovereign and the plant companion option for druids if that helps the search. Also, you can create plant creatures of whatever you like, or a greenwood item which is still a living plant(a greenwood resetting spell trap of wish).