Durkon's Domains

[Teapot Salty]

Hey guys. I've been wondering, what are Durkon's Domains? (before his condition) and Thor's for that matter. One is probably strength (Thor's might is righteous might) But Thor's Lighting? What could that be from? And as always, go nuts.

[DaggerPen]

He had the Good domain, no one's sure on the other one (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=329816).

[ORione]

Specifically, the Good domain is necessary to cast Holy Smite. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0806.html)

[Devils_Advocate]

In Deities & Demigods, Thor's domains are Chaos, Good, Protection, Strength, War, and Weather. Thor could offer a different set of domains in OotS, but one would expect it to at least be pretty similar.

Control Winds (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0837.html), like Holy Smite, isn't on the Cleric spell list, nor are lightning spells in general. Presumably Durkon's other domain was Weather (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/divine/domains.htm#weatherDomain), although it could conceivably be Air (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spellLists/clericDomains.htm#airDomain) or something else along the same lines. Similarly, he could have e.g. Glory (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/divine/domains.htm#gloryDomain) instead of Good.

But most likely Good and Weather.

[rbetieh]

I would guess Thors Might was a domain power.... but I am sure class and level geekery has already figured this one out

[dps]

I would guess Thors Might was a domain power.... but I am sure class and level geekery has already figured this one out

The thread says that Thors Might is presumed to be the standard cleric spell Righteous Might. It lists names Good as one of Durkon's domains, but doesn't give the other.

[zimmerwald1915]

The thread says that Thors Might is presumed to be the standard cleric spell Righteous Might. It lists names Good as one of Durkon's domains, but doesn't give the other.
It used to list Good and Weather back in the day, but dropped Weather when Thor's lightning stopped acting like call lightning (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0169.html) and started acting like lightning bolt (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0215.html). So sometime in the middle of No Cure for the Paladin Blues.

[Devils_Advocate]

That seems like attaching too much significance to exactly how the effect is depicted.

Regardless, Durkon clearly had one holiness-related domain and one weather-related domain. The details are unimportant. (http://basicinstructions.net/basic-instructions/2009/1/8/how-to-repel-the-inevitable-invasion-of-the-moon-men.html)

[DaveMcW]

That seems like attaching too much significance to exactly how the effect is depicted.

Most of the hundreds of pages of the thread are spent repeating and denying that statement. :smallbiggrin:

[roko10]

If you meant the HoH, it's domains are probably Death and Destruction.

[Rodin]

If you meant the HoH, it's domains are probably Death and Destruction.

Which is why the OP specifically said not the HoH.




Control Winds (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0837.html), like Holy Smite, isn't on the Cleric spell list, nor are lightning spells in general. Presumably Durkon's other domain was Weather (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/divine/domains.htm#weatherDomain), although it could conceivably be Air (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spellLists/clericDomains.htm#airDomain) or something else along the same lines. Similarly, he could have e.g. Glory (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/divine/domains.htm#gloryDomain) instead of Good.

But most likely Good and Weather.

This made me wonder how Malack cast it...and lo and behold, when I went back and looked, he used a scroll. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0849.html)

Gotta love the attention to detail in this comic.

[Devils_Advocate]

HoH? If you mean High Priest of Hel, shouldn't it be HPoH?


This made me wonder how Malack cast it...and lo and behold, when I went back and looked, he used a scroll. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0849.html)
Huh, but it's unlikely that he'd even be trained in Use Magic Device... Maybe Control Winds is just a Cleric spell in OotS? It certainly wouldn't be the only house rule.

I doubt that Thor's Lightning is on the Cleric spell list, though, so it's kind of a moot point.

I see that that strip also has evidence that Sabine isn't a devil. Not that we needed it. She's clearly a succubus; but obviously, clueless primes don't have Knowledge (the planes) modifiers high enough to recognize her as a demon.

[Rogar Demonblud]

Sabine has been explicitly stated to be a succubus. Thor's Lightning is a renamed Call Lightning. And Control Winds is a Cleric Domain spell, so any cleric can cast it off of a (divine) scroll.

I admit to being amused that a user with your handle would discuss demons, though.

[zimmerwald1915]

Thor's Lightning is a renamed Call Lightning.
Except when it's a renamed lightning bolt.

[Keltest]

Except when it's a renamed lightning bolt.

Perhaps it can function as either as the caster requires. Call lightning wont work well indoors, for example, which makes it a relatively limited spell for the adventuring cleric.

[Yanisa]

Perhaps it can function as either as the caster requires. Call lightning wont work well indoors, for example, which makes it a relatively limited spell for the adventuring cleric.

Except he uses the lightning bolt version outside (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0215.html). Twice (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0810.html).

I don't think he ever used Thor's Lightning inside.

[Keltest]

Except he uses the lightning bolt version outside (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0215.html). Twice (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0810.html).

I don't think he ever used Thor's Lightning inside.

Perhaps I should have said desires.

[Yanisa]

Perhaps I should have said desires.

I just realized that Call Lightning also functions indoors or underground (but not underwater). So unless the damage upgrade changes the form of the spell, from 3d6 Call Lightning to 10d6 Lightning Bolt, it still seems odd.

[Keltest]

I just realized that Call Lightning also functions indoors or underground (but not underwater). So unless the damage upgrade changes the form of the spell, from 3d6 Call Lightning to 10d6 Lightning Bolt, it still seems odd.

Then I guess it was an art change.

[Yanisa]

Then I guess it was an art change.

I bet Thor got lazy and didn't want to send out Lightning Bolts out of the sky anymore, so instead he granted Durkon the power to do it himself.

[Keltest]

I bet Thor got lazy and didn't want to send out Lightning Bolts out of the sky anymore, so instead he granted Durkon the power to do it himself.

Or maybe Odin saw he was getting too drunk to trust him to aim properly.

[zimmerwald1915]

Except he uses the lightning bolt version outside (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0215.html). Twice (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0810.html).

I don't think he ever used Thor's Lightning inside.
Sure he did. He used it against Malack. I'm on a phone, so no link, but I'm sure you won't regret looking for yourself.

Really, I think it's an art change, considering the call lightning version hasn't been seen since Wooden Forest, before the post-dragon art upgrade.

[Yanisa]

Sure he did. He used it against Malack. I'm on a phone, so no link, but I'm sure you won't regret looking for yourself.

Really, I think it's an art change, considering the call lightning version hasn't been seen since Wooden Forest, before the post-dragon art upgrade.

There (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0873.html) we go. It's an angled shot, so it looks more awesome and a little bit different, hence why I didn't think of it.

And even if its an art change we can still try to explain it in Universe, maybe gods can change the spells their domains give. Doesn't help us to figure out with Dorkon's second domain is though.