A Furry Dracotaur?

[Palanan]

Recently I came across a quasi-mino-centaurish thing (http://yinyuming.deviantart.com/gallery/#/art/Guardian-399306359?_sid=5bd7eff1), and I'd love to use it as one of the gladiators in my city campaign. I can see this being pitted against some poor slave fitted out as a "mounted knight," for the entertainment of the crowd.

But I have no idea what stats to use for something like this. Would a dracotaur be a close enough approximation? Or is there some other creature in the 3.5 monsterverse that would be a better fit?

[Metahuman1]

That to me looks like a Half-Minotaur Half Oger Goliath with the Taric Template form Savage Species. That would be an utter Terror to fight.

[Phelix-Mu]

Half-minotaur wemic!

[Rubik]

For ease of use, a bariaur (from the Planar Handbook); LA +1.

[Biffoniacus_Furiou]

The bottom portion's forelimbs are closer to those of a gorilla than anything else, I'd probably use a lion or similar with the Tauric Creature template to represent it mechanically. I'd use a Leopard or other medium size base animal, probably a Human or a Gold Dwarf as the base humanoid depending on what traits you want, and then throw on Half-Minotaur last.

That would get you 4 HD of Monstrous Humanoid, +4 LA, Str +18, Dex +6, Con +10, +5 natural armor, 50 ft. land speed, 20 ft. climb, a gore, 2 claws, pounce, 2 rakes, scent, darkvision, the other half-minotaur traits, and the base humanoid's traits.

[Palanan]

Thanks for the suggestions, everyone. Plenty of options here already, although always open to more.


Originally Posted by Biffoniacus_Furiou
That would get you 4 HD of Monstrous Humanoid, +4 LA, Str +18, Dex +6, Con +10, +5 natural armor, 50 ft. land speed, 20 ft. climb, a gore, 2 claws, pounce, 2 rakes, scent, darkvision, the other half-minotaur traits, and the base humanoid's traits.

With all this, he'd be ruling the city, not working as a gladiator. :smalltongue:

Seriously, thanks for the notion--I may have to drop another villain in there. Your posts are always awesome, but they make me add new characters.

:smallbiggrin:


Originally Posted by Phelix-Mu
Half-minotaur wemic!

I don't know how I forgot the wemics.

Probably the same way I forgot which book has their stats.

:smallsigh:

[Phelix-Mu]

Hmm. Monster of Faerun thingy should have them. Let me check. Yeah, that's the source for the 3.0 stats, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were reprinted in one of the regional 3.5 FR books (like Shining South or something).

They have 5HD of monstrous humanoid in the 3.0 version, and no listed LA (but I doubt that is still accurate).

Lol, yeah, tracked down a 3.5 update document for Monsters of Faerun; now they have a rather inexplicable +3 LA. Really, could WotC be any clearer with their core races bias? There is nothing in wemic that justifies +3. Maybe +1, since they have unbalanced stat adjustments.

*facepalm* Wizards of the Coast....

[VoxRationis]

"'Dracotaur?'

'Yes, a horrid beast with the body of a dragon and the head of a minotaur... Which is really just a dragon with a bull's head.'" -JourneyQuest

[Palanan]

Originally Posted by Phelix-Mu
Hmm. Monster of Faerun thingy should have them. Let me check. Yeah, that's the source for the 3.0 stats, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were reprinted in one of the regional 3.5 FR books (like Shining South or something).

Turns out they appear in Races of Faerûn, which I'm fairly sure is 3.0, but they're listed with both +3 LA and 5HD of monstrous humanoid.

(And a pretty shallow, cliched culture as well--noble savages in harmony with nature, yadda yadda.)


Originally Posted by Phelix-Mu
There is nothing in wemic that justifies +3. Maybe +1, since they have unbalanced stat adjustments.

Hmm. The RoF entry notes the +3 LA and claims that, "Due to his 5 racial Hit Dice, his natural attacks, and his racial skill bonus, a wemic has an effective character level of 8 plus his class levels."

I'm no expert on LA/ECL, but I'd say this isn't too convincing. Natural attacks? Racial skill bonus? A single +8 racial to Jump checks and a couple of 1d6 claw attacks don't sound very impressive.

[Fouredged Sword]

How about a Feral Goliath Dire Ape-Tuar? It is rules legal if you consider an ape to use it's forelimbs as legs to walk. Give it a huge halberd as a weapon.

All in all you get 6HD of monsterous humanoid, wield huge weapons, and get +18 or so to strength.

[Palanan]

Well, even though I like the idea of using wemic stats, they seem to be a bit wonky, so I'll probably pass on them.

The bariaur is an interesting idea, although they're a little downsized from what I was aiming for; they're listed as Medium and I'm thinking the mino-centaur is Large. Is there an easy way to scale the bariaur up by one size category?

[Rubik]

The bariaur is an interesting idea, although they're a little downsized from what I was aiming for; they're listed as Medium and I'm thinking the mino-centaur is Large. Is there an easy way to scale the bariaur up by one size category?Half-minotaur and half-ogre? Both are +1 LA and increase your size category, but apparently one of the templates (I forget which one) states that adding it to a Large creature means its LA turns to 0.

[Phelix-Mu]

Half-minotaur lamia? Speaking of which...are lamia stats in the MM? Lol, my editions are all getting mashed together in my brain.

[Palanan]

Yup, the lamia is on p. 165 of the first Monster Manual.

So, half-minotaur...is that the one from Savage Species? And was that ever updated to 3.5?