Ultimate Thief

[DirtyMcR]

So starting this weekend I will be starting a game. As the group is small we will each need to fill two party rolls. So far there is a barbarian, a psychic warrior, and that is all that has been submitted. Looks like melee damage is good. Looking at an ultimate thief archetype. Possibly from magic as there is no caster as of yet. First and foremost, if a bard can do it, please advise on that route. DFI is acceptable. I was kind of looking at a wizard with illusion spells that can make everything look kosher while I knock on safes with... well knock.keep high social setting to keep suspicion of of myself. That does kind of leave minimal combat spells available. Anyone got any great ideas? Think Playground ACTIVATE!

[DMVerdandi]

So starting this weekend I will be starting a game. As the group is small we will each need to fill two party rolls. So far there is a barbarian, a psychic warrior, and that is all that has been submitted. Looks like melee damage is good. Looking at an ultimate thief archetype. Possibly from magic as there is no caster as of yet. First and foremost, if a bard can do it, please advise on that route. DFI is acceptable. I was kind of looking at a wizard with illusion spells that can make everything look kosher while I knock on safes with... well knock.keep high social setting to keep suspicion of of myself. That does kind of leave minimal combat spells available. Anyone got any great ideas? Think Playground ACTIVATE!

Beguiler gets all you wish for free, but is limited in their spell selection. It is not a "damage-dealing class" at all, and if you meet any enemies immune to enchantment or illusions, you are screwed. I'd give that a 4/10

Bard Can be interesting, but from my understanding actually takes a lot of thinking and insight to understand how to best use their spell list and abilities. meh 4/10

Wizard
Can gain a variety of spells, and there are some that are just delicious. Funky vancian spell casting, Requires a spell book, and is feeble. None of that matters as wizard spells rule all.

Erudite

OH SHIZNIZ. YO, YOU TRYING TO BE A THIEF MASTER? HOW ABOUT A GUY WHO'S JUST LIKE "BEEP BEEP" AND THEN IN YOUR MIND STEALING ALL YOUR SECRETS AND PSYCHIC POWERS? A MOFO WHO'S LIKE "AY YO CUZ, YOU CAN'T SEE ME!" AND THEY CAN'T.

TELEKINETICS? I GOT THAT.
TELEPORTATION? I DOES THAT.
MIND TRICKS? COME GET THAT.


EY BRUH, AND YOU CAN LIKE GIVE UP A FEAT TO LEARN HOW TO TURN ALL SPELLS INTO POWERS.
IF YOU GO INTO MINDBENDER, THEN YOU CAN BECOME A GANG LEADER. REP YOUR SET, FLY YOUR COLORS, TEACH THRALLS AND FOLLOWERS TO BE ERUDITES, SPREAD GANG ACROSS GREYHAWK. SHOOT PEOPLE WITH MIND BULLETS. BRRRRAAPP :smallcool:

10/10

[gorfnab]

Beguilers (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=363.0), Psychic Rogues (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=234327), and Factotums (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=8685), are all decent caster or pseudo caster options for "thief" type builds. With some multiclassing Rogues (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156350) or Spellthieves (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44299) mixed with casters (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=1240) can make phenomenal "thieves".

For Bards (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=8686) focused on skills you may want to look into the combo of the Bardic Knack ACF (PHBII) and the feat Jack of All Trades (CAdv). The feats Master Manipulator(PHBII) and Wanderer's Diplomacy (PHBII) can give you some options to use in social situations or in instances where talking your way out might be better than fighting. Also consider the potential of buffing your party. (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=8936)

[Stoneback]

Consider scout.

[hemming]

I think the magic/skill point mix in Factotum could work for you

[Psyren]

Erudite

OH SHIZNIZ. YO, YOU TRYING TO BE A THIEF MASTER? HOW ABOUT A GUY WHO'S JUST LIKE "BEEP BEEP" AND THEN IN YOUR MIND STEALING ALL YOUR SECRETS AND PSYCHIC POWERS? A MOFO WHO'S LIKE "AY YO CUZ, YOU CAN'T SEE ME!" AND THEY CAN'T.

TELEKINETICS? I GOT THAT.
TELEPORTATION? I DOES THAT.
MIND TRICKS? COME GET THAT.


EY BRUH, AND YOU CAN LIKE GIVE UP A FEAT TO LEARN HOW TO TURN ALL SPELLS INTO POWERS.
IF YOU GO INTO MINDBENDER, THEN YOU CAN BECOME A GANG LEADER. REP YOUR SET, FLY YOUR COLORS, TEACH THRALLS AND FOLLOWERS TO BE ERUDITES, SPREAD GANG ACROSS GREYHAWK. SHOOT PEOPLE WITH MIND BULLETS. BRRRRAAPP :smallcool:

10/10

I now want to photoshop a giant clock on a chain around the Erudite graphic in CPsi :smalltongue:

[Fouredged Sword]

I think you should consider the following.

Beguiler 5 / PRC bard 1 / beguiler 14. It gives the bard spell list added to the beguiler spells, so the cure wounds line and glibness are fair game.

[(Un)Inspired]

If you want the ultimate thief you should probably go with a wizard. You can summon minions to trap find or carry loot, you can destroy any guards that catch you, you can open any lock, you can look into any treasure vault beforehand, you can create your own plane as a hideout, and if all your plans fall apart (they really shouldn't) you can always teleport away.