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ramunch
2014-03-07, 10:13 AM
Brambles states it affects any weapon that has a wooden striking surface, like a Qstaff. I can't find where it addresses if it affects the entire Qstarr or just one end.

With TWF you can use a Qstaff as a double weapon, which would basically double the effective value of this spell if it does.

I googled and googled looking but couldn't find anything stating it doesn't but would like the experts here to confirm.

Thanks
Munch

Segev
2014-03-07, 10:37 AM
Unfortunately, the rules for enchanting weapons specify that you enchant one side of a double weapon per application of an enchantment. You'd have to cast it twice to get both sides of the quarterstaff.

Telonius
2014-03-07, 11:52 AM
The rule is taken from Creating Magic Weapons, here (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/creatingMagicItems.htm#creatingMagicWeapons).

Creating magic double-headed weapons is treated as creating two weapons when determining cost, time, XP, and special abilities.

Also, under the "Table: Common Melee Weapons" in footnote 2, here (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/magicWeapons.htm).

Masterwork double weapons incur double the masterwork cost to account for each head (+300 gp masterwork cost per head for a total of +600 gp). Double weapons have separate magical bonuses for their different heads.

There is some ambiguity there, since the target of the Brambles spell is listed as "one wooden weapon touched," with no mention of whether or not that means both ends. There's also precedent of the Shillelagh (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/shillelagh.htm) spell, which specifically calls out that it affects both ends of the Q'staff. (Shillelagh is a 1st-level spell, while Brambles is a 2nd-level). However, I'd say that since Brambles doesn't specifically call out both ends being affected, it doesn't affect both ends.

ramunch
2014-03-07, 02:09 PM
Thanks guys.
It does seem to be a bit of a grey area, I couldn't decide which way to rule it. I'll go with that it doesn't affect both ends since it seems to be the safer bet.