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talltwin36
2007-02-01, 09:16 PM
Ok a member of the party wants to polymorph into a half orc. What stats does he have as the half orc? I know he keeps the WIS and INT and one other stat and takes on the STR/CON and one other stat of the new form. What stats of the 1/2 orc does he get? Base human modified by 1/2 orc racial mods? So say 12 STR?

msquared

Bears With Lasers
2007-02-01, 09:28 PM
Polymorphing into a half-orc gets him the *physical* stats of the "half-orc" entry in the book. Namely, 12 STR, 10 CON, 10 DEX. His mental stats remain his own. This is likely a bad choice--12 STR/10 CON/10 DEX are almost certainly lower than what he normally has.

talltwin36
2007-02-01, 09:33 PM
Oh it is not for the stats that they are doing this. They are trying to be sneaky. It would take too long to explain but my question was this. The standard 1/2 orc has a 12 STR?

msquared

Bears With Lasers
2007-02-01, 09:42 PM
Yep. Although you could just look up the half-orc entry in the MM or the SRD (www.d20srd.org).

Collin152
2007-02-01, 11:13 PM
Wouldn't alter self be a better option? And if it's for subterfuge, do the stats really matter?

Bears With Lasers
2007-02-01, 11:20 PM
You can't cast Alter Self on other people, and they presumably want to disguise everyone.

The stats matter in case they have to fight in their polymorphed forms.

Matthew
2007-02-02, 01:15 PM
You know, I never really understood why there are not mass versions of Disguise Self and Alter Self available; it would seem a logical progression.

Amiria
2007-02-02, 01:22 PM
There are Seeming (5th level) and Veil (6th level) as powerful Mass Disguise Self versions.

But I agree that a mass version of Alter Self should exist. Alter Other is in the Munchkin D20 Player Handbook. :smallwink:

Matthew
2007-02-02, 01:29 PM
Interesting. Never noticed those before (beyond my usual level of play). Good to know they exist, though fifth and sixth level seems quite high. No happy medium, it seems...

ken-do-nim
2007-02-02, 01:41 PM
Interesting. Never noticed those before (beyond my usual level of play). Good to know they exist, though fifth and sixth level seems quite high. No happy medium, it seems...

D&D 3.5 is very strange when it comes to its mass versions. The most broken are:
- mass resist energy from spell compendium. Regular version is 2nd level; mass version for clerics & druids is 3rd.
- mass fire shield also from spell compendium. Regular version is 4th and the mass version is 5th. What's worse is that the regular version is personal only.

Yet mass bull strength et. al. are all 6th. There's just no rhyme or reason.

Ishbosheth
2007-02-02, 01:52 PM
Polymorphing into a half-orc gets him the *physical* stats of the "half-orc" entry in the book. Namely, 12 STR, 10 CON, 10 DEX. His mental stats remain his own. This is likely a bad choice--12 STR/10 CON/10 DEX are almost certainly lower than what he normally has.

Yeah, that's the easy way to look at it. Then your hit points will change by whatever the difference in CON bonus multiplied by your level. So if your whole party is being polymorphed some or most will likely lose some hit points while in half-orc form.

Bears With Lasers
2007-02-02, 01:55 PM
As of an errata or two ago, Polymorph doesn't change your hit points based on your new form's CON score.

gaymer_seattle
2007-02-03, 12:51 AM
i think there are better ways to be magically sneaky, multiple polymorphs burn a lot of 4th level spots and only give you 1 minute per level of subterfuge

Collin152
2007-02-03, 05:00 PM
Won't Minor Images work better? Or are those immobile... Huh...