PC becoming an astral construct?

[CyberThread]

I know their is a PRC that lets a PC sorta become a battle mech taking over an elemental, does such an option exist for a astral construct?

[Terazul]

If you don't have a problem with (very good) 3rd Party Material, Dreamscarred Press has Ectoskeleton (http://dsp-d20-srd.wikidot.com/ectoskeleton) as early as level 5.

[Chronos]

You can get something like this, but to a very limited degree, from the Astral Vambraces (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20060217a) soulmeld. If you're not an Incarnum-using class, you can pick it up with a feat.

[Snowbluff]

Skin of the Construct, Complete Psionic.

[CyberThread]

You can get something like this, but to a very limited degree, from the Astral Vambraces (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20060217a) soulmeld. If you're not an Incarnum-using class, you can pick it up with a feat.

what feat?

[Snowbluff]

what feat?

Shape Soulmeld, dude. How long have I known you, Cyber? You're killing me! :smalltongue:

[CyberThread]

Shape Soulmeld, dude. How long have I known you, Cyber? You're killing me! :smalltongue:

Incarnum is not common knowledge, and screw soul vest hellfirelock combos lol, binder all the way.

[Snowbluff]

Incarnum is not common knowledge, and screw soul vest hellfirelock combos lol, binder all the way.

*shakes head*
There are certain things everyone needs to learn about 3.5. I've been playing pathfinder. It's a wasteland for feats. So much crap. Nothing fun to take, save for like eldritch heritage, which is Cha-specific.

My list of feats to learn:
Martial Study/Stance (ToB Mooching)
Divine Feats (Turn Undead is awesome!)
Devotion/Domain Feats (Everyone can be holy!)
Shape Soulmeld/Bind Chakra (Incarnum mooching)
Bind Vestige, and the PrCs (Binder Mooching, plus progression)
Reserve Feats (I do more!)
Hidden Talent (Psionics mooching)
Magic Training, Precocious Apprentice (Spells mooching)
SLA feats, like Magic in the Blood and Drow of the Underdark ones (Cool spell stuff)
Obtain Familiar, Improved/etc Familiar (Familiar Mooching. Pseudragon learns mindsight. Coure Eladrin learn Fascinating Illumination for Silent Image, etc)
Mightsight, Lifesense (Cool detection feats)
Human Heritage on undead (If you pull it off, enjoy being immune to more undead weaknesses, and human ones)
Darkstalker (Hide from blindsight)
Draconic Aura (Aura mooching)

I probably missed a few, but whatever.

[Psyren]

Incarnum is not common knowledge, and screw soul vest hellfirelock combos lol, binder all the way.

MoI came out 9 years ago. If it's not common knowledge it really should be.

PF Metamorphosis lets you select items off a series of menus much like an Astral Construct does.

[CyberThread]

MoI came out 9 years ago. If it's not common knowledge it really should be.




the editing...is just so...bad..

[Shinken]

*shakes head*
There are certain things everyone needs to learn about 3.5. I've been playing pathfinder. It's a wasteland for feats. So much crap. Nothing fun to take, save for like eldritch heritage, which is Cha-specific.

There are plenty of feats I like in Pathfinder:

In Harm's Way/Bodyguard
Lunge
Combat Patrol
Cloud Gazer
Clustered Shots
Deadly Aim
Dimensional Agility line
Hellcat Stealth
Style feats (Dragon, Crane and Panther are all cool)
Enforcer
Shield Slam (add Psionic Shield Bash for positioning+debuff!)
Butterfly Sting
Drow Noble line

Then again, fun is relative. I can understand not liking any of those (though I must admit not liking all of those does strike me as a bit odd).


If you don't have a problem with (very good) 3rd Party Material, Dreamscarred Press has Ectoskeleton (http://dsp-d20-srd.wikidot.com/ectoskeleton) as early as level 5.
That power made my night. It's beautiful! It is just... beautiful!
How come isn't it in Ultimate Psionics?

[Jeff the Green]

the editing...is just so...bad..

Well, yes, but that's why you use Sinfire Titan's guides and Schneekey's (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=217064) and my (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=310443) quick refs.

[Psyren]

the editing...is just so...bad..

No worse than ToM or CPsi or ToB etc.

[Snowbluff]

There are plenty of feats I like in Pathfinder:

In Harm's Way/Bodyguard
Lunge
Combat Patrol
Cloud Gazer
Clustered Shots
Deadly Aim
Dimensional Agility line
Hellcat Stealth
Style feats (Dragon, Crane and Panther are all cool)
Enforcer
Shield Slam (add Psionic Shield Bash for positioning+debuff!)
Butterfly Sting
Drow Noble line

Then again, fun is relative. I can understand not liking any of those (though I must admit not liking all of those does strike me as a bit odd).

A lot of these are kind of a feat tax, or just not as involving as the list I made. Look at clustered shots and deadly aim. Rather than fixing DR, take another feat in a feat-starved archer build. Deadly Aim isn't so bad, but I hate the environment that birthed it. People were complaining about not doing as much as melee builds, even though they can easily full attack at twenty times the distance.

Hellcat Stealth is good but only really functions on stealthy builds, and have an associated feat tax and penalty.

Style feats are an abomination in PF. All of these require Imp Unarmed. What the hell?

Enforcer is worse than Cornugon Smash unless you are doing a sap build.

Dimensional Agility is another thing. It only works with D Door? Can't take advantage of keywords, Paizo? It's cool I can get shadow pounce as a feat line, but it sucks that only a synthesist can really use it.
I do like some feats, it's just the good ones are far apart. You need a good Cha to take Eldritch Heritage, which is the real gem. Compare the feats you gave to my list, and it's readily apparent that my list is much more involving, and has feats that often give new abilities to supplement multiple playstyles.

The best I got for my gish was Cornugon Smash and Shatter Defenses. Yay, flat-footed on a bruiser and non-stacking fear. :smallfrown:

No worse than ToM or CPsi or ToB etc.
Yeah, the editing is fine in MoI. The layout is messy, though.

[Fax Celestis]

There's always the aegis (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/psionics-unleashed/classes/aegis).

Backporting to 3.5 from PF is like the easiest thing ever. You're smart, you'll figure it out.

[Captnq]

Encyclopedia Vinculum Draconis (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=11953.msg204497#msg204497) - Beta 03/Psionomicon/ASTRAL CONSTRUCTS v1.01.doc

Enjoy.

[Nihilarian]

I know their is a PRC that lets a PC sorta become a battle mech taking over an elemental, does such an option exist for a astral construct?What class let's you become a battlemech?

[Werephilosopher]

Theoretically, you could just manifest your AC around you, giving you complete protection and an effective suit of power armor. The use of the Constructor PRC, plus the Shaper's "Personal Construct" ability, plus some good choices of augmentations make an effective character.

Constructor- https://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20040625b
Personal construct- http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20070411a
Other fun stuff- http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/pse/20020727c

[Necroticplague]

Possible way to do this:
1.Manifest Astral Construct.
2.Mind Switch with it.
3.Manifest Astral Seed.
4.Off yourself.
5.Spend a week re-forming your body at the time of manifesting.
6.Move into said new body
7.???
8.Profit

[CyberThread]

What class let's you become a battlemech?



Elemental Scion of Zilargo

[Shinken]

There's always the aegis (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/psionics-unleashed/classes/aegis).

Backporting to 3.5 from PF is like the easiest thing ever. You're smart, you'll figure it out.

Oh, so that is why there is no ectoskeleton in Ultimate Psionics. They decided to milk a base class out of it.
It's the one thing I don't like about DSP psionics, they introduced a bunch of redudant classes.

[Fax Celestis]

Oh, so that is why there is no ectoskeleton in Ultimate Psionics. They decided to milk a base class out of it.
It's the one thing I don't like about DSP psionics, they introduced a bunch of redudant classes.

No, what they did was enable you to play a psionics-only game.

[Rubik]

Possible way to do this:
1.Manifest Astral Construct.
2.Mind Switch with it.
3.Manifest Astral Seed.
4.Off yourself.
5.Spend a week re-forming your body at the time of manifesting.
6.Move into said new body
7.???
8.ProfitMind Switch is [mind affecting]. There are ways to get around this (such as Polymorph Any Object, or giving it a soul crystal of Metamorphosis or a psychoactive skin of proteus), but you can't just manifest it on the thing directly.

Also, you could be a ghost and possess the astral construct using Malevolence. That'd work for the short term (and a bit longer than 1 round/lvl, if you're a constructor or have the Durable Construct feat).

[Shinken]

No, what they did was enable you to play a psionics-only game.

Which is a noble goal, but it's one I don't care much about. I'm not saying what they did was bad, I'm just saying I don't like this one aspect out of all the awesome they did.
It's like the Sins Past in JMS's Spider-Man run. One thing I did not like among lots of things I did like. I still like JMS's Spider-Man, same as I like DSP psionics. Doesn't mean I like Sins Past or Marksman/Dread/Cryptic/Aegis being classes instead of archetypes.

[Psyren]

Eh, I don't see a redundant one in the bunch, they all occupy different niches and enable playstyles that 3.5 psionics did not. To each their own I guess. *shrug*

[Necroticplague]

Mind Switch is [mind affecting]. There are ways to get around this (such as Polymorph Any Object, or giving it a soul crystal of Metamorphosis or a psychoactive skin of proteus), but you can't just manifest it on the thing directly.

Also, you could be a ghost and possess the astral construct using Malevolence. That'd work for the short term (and a bit longer than 1 round/lvl, if you're a constructor or have the Durable Construct feat).

I thought being mindless just gave it an immunity. An immunity it could willingly dropped at your command. Honestly, I thought AC duration was a bigger problem. And also was sure their was some way around it.

[CIDE]

Yeah, I don't think there is anything to fix the duration of an astral construct.

[Rubik]

Inhabiting an astral construct while manifesting Astral Seed would work, as mentioned. Also, a construct can Alter Self into one for awhile. All day, if Persisted.