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Blackjackg
2014-03-18, 12:48 PM
Hi Playground! I've only played a couple hours of Pathfinder and have access only to two sources (the core book and the Advanced Race Guide), but I've been invited to take part in an upcoming game. I'd like to use a build I came up with for a Wood Elf Ranger/Scout with the Swift Hunter feat, but I know much of the material was never officially translated and I'm not sure how compatible it would all be. So I'm hoping to prevail upon your experience to help me sort out which of this 3.5 material would still work in PF, which would need some tweaking, and which just wouldn't work at all (obviously, all of this would have to be OK'd by the GM, but it would help to have some expert opinions on it first):


Wood Elf (Race, MM)
Scout (Class, CAdv)
Non-Spellcasting Ranger (Class Variant, CWar)
Distracting Attack (ACF, PHB2)
Swift Hunter (Feat, CScoundrel)
Greater Manyshot (Feat, XPH)

My Initial Thoughts:

As far as I can tell, there are no specific rules for wood elves in PF, but going by the Advanced Race Guide it might be possible to just take the Woodcraft alternate racial feature (and possibly change the Int bonus to a Str bonus, if the GM would allow it?).

The Scout, Non-Spellcasting Ranger and Swift Hunter feat seem like they'd be pretty straightforward to translate, and my impression is they'd be neither over- nor underpowered. If it makes a difference, I was planning on a build that included four levels of scout and sixteen of ranger.

Distracting Attack may be a hard sell since the class feature it replaces (animal companion) has been significantly modified in PF, but do you think it's a fair trade-off?

Greater Manyshot gives me the most pause, if only because I believe it fell under the OGL so the fact that they didn't include it in the core book suggests they didn't want it. Does it come out over- or under-powered using PF rules?

Any advice would be much appreciated.

Nihilarian
2014-03-18, 01:08 PM
You don't have access to the PFSRD (http://www.d20pfsrd.com)?

Edit: PF Manyshot is a full-attack action.

Blackjackg
2014-03-18, 01:19 PM
You don't have access to the PFSRD (http://www.d20pfsrd.com)?

I do now!

You're right, the way they've changed Manyshot definitely makes Greater Manyshot less useful. In fact, since it requires a full-round action and thus can't benefit from the Scout's Skirmish bonus, it's probably not worth taking Manyshot at all. Thanks!

Nihilarian
2014-03-18, 01:24 PM
This might help (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103358).

Urpriest
2014-03-18, 01:41 PM
In general, 3.5 Swift Hunter is just a way to make a competent archer in 3.5. Are you interested in porting it as faithfully as possible, or just being a competent PF archer? Because a single-classed PF Ranger can definitely be a competent archer, after PF's buffs to archery.

Blackjackg
2014-03-18, 01:56 PM
Are you interested in porting it as faithfully as possible, or just being a competent PF archer?

I guess mostly the latter, although I also dug the extra skill points and Trapfinding ability... but now that I've been linked to the SRD and see this "archetype" concept, it seems likely that I'd be able to find an archetype that fits my needs without having to bring in the scout levels or ACFs from 3.5.

Is there a reference document anywhere for how to build a good PF archer?

Nihilarian
2014-03-18, 02:26 PM
A list of guides (http://zenithgames.blogspot.ca/2012/11/the-comprehensive-pathfinder-guides.html).

I do not recommend losing spells. That said, the Trapper ranger archetype gains trap finding, if you'd like.

Urpriest
2014-03-18, 02:53 PM
I guess mostly the latter, although I also dug the extra skill points and Trapfinding ability... but now that I've been linked to the SRD and see this "archetype" concept, it seems likely that I'd be able to find an archetype that fits my needs without having to bring in the scout levels or ACFs from 3.5.

Is there a reference document anywhere for how to build a good PF archer?

It's a bit outdated, but Treantmonk's Guide to Rangers (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/extras/community-creations/treatmonks-lab/test2/treantmonk-s-guide-to-rangers) is a good resource. In general you probably won't need to multiclass a lot unless you're doing something exotic like a Synthesist Gunslinger.