League of Legends LVIII: URFworld

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League of Legends LVIII: URFworld



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We maintain lists of players, sorted by server. If you are not on these lists and would like to be, please post in the thread with the following information in bold: Server (if you don't know it, it's likely the region you're in, but it's worth checking anyway), your Forum Name, and your Summoner Name. It's also a good idea to go ahead and send me a PM with such information to ensure I see it.

If no reply's been made about adding you after a day or two, first check the lists to see if you've been added. If not, feel free to post again or PM me. Any incorrectly formatted posts will probably be overlooked.

BR Server Huehuehuehuehuehue
Forum Name | Game Name
Draken | Draken Frosthand
Slayn82 | Slayn82


NA Server
Forum Name | Game Name
0tt3r | 0tt3r
9mm | cwcriner
Adumbration | Benefice
aethernox | joyless
Alemil | Alemil
Alter | AlterForm
Anarion | Anarion55
Anonomuss | OpticalSage
Antonok | Antonok
Arbitrarity | Arbitrarity
ArcanistSupreme | Arcanist Supreme
Archangel Yuki | Yocham
Artanis | LegacyCWAL
assassin89 | nineballcirno
Astrella | Sirroelivan
Astrro | Astrro
AtwasAwamps | AtwasAwamps
Aurenthal | Estor
Averis Vol | AverisVol
Baron Corm | Baron Corm
Baxter | Thefettered
BinaryMage | BinaryMage
Bliss Authority | Companion N00b
Blueiji | Blueiji
BobVosh | BobVosh -or- VoshBob
Bookboy | Keledrath
Brother Oni | MarineHK4861
Caradryan | Ying Quliang
CarpeGuitarrem | CarpeGuitarrem
Castleraven | Castleraven
cdstephens | cdstephens
Chess435 | Chess435
Copacetic | Azbu
Creed | Moarzed
CrnvorousMeece | CarnivorousMeece
Croverus | Croverus
Cute_Riolu | Cute Riolu
Dallas-Dakota | MustacheMan
Dante & Vergil | Raphiezar
Darius Macab | Hawkfrost000
Darth Mario | Darth Mario
Daverin | Daverin
Demotivated | Demotivated
Dentrag2 | Callinectes
dgnslyr | GANKERLagann
Dichotomy | Kaellin
Dire Ferret | Guvna Kit Kit
Djinn in Tonic | The Djinn
Dogmantra | Dogmantra
Don Julio Anejo | Don Julio Anejo
douglas | DouglasM
Doxkid | Doxkid
Dragonus45 | Dragonus45
Drager0 | Drager0
Dragor | Supernaturalist
Draken | Draken Frosthand
DrakeRaids | DrakeRaids057
Dralnu | TomerIsHot
Drizztfan24 | Drizztfan24
dukexx | JacksonHicks
Duos | DapperGuy
Dusk Eclipse | DuskShadow
efdf | efdf
EifieFlare | EifieFlare
Elagune | Chopstyx
Eldariel | Elealar
EndlessWrath | Andurin
Epicfaillol | Ether Master
Errandir | Ramses III
EternalMelon | EternalMelon
faith | Ferrovax101
FantomFang | FantomFang
Farix | Jiin in Tin
Faulty | FaultyClockwork
Fawkes | Count Fawkes
FeverFox | Alcopop
fjolnir | fjolnir
Flagpole | Flagpole
Flarowon | Kruin Avabruc
Flechair | Master Zealot
FleshrakerAbuse | Archdruid21
Folytopo | Folytopo
Forrestfire | Forrestfire15
Frankelshtein | McFinkelstein
Fredaintdead | Fredthefighter
Freudianship | LeiteaSalk
Gallus | Anechois
Geigan | Geigan
Giant Panda | Le Shirrif
gimliggamer | Wizard Warlock
Gizladlo | Gizladlo
glemis | glemis
Godskook | Bethor Kookalian
Gourtox | Gourtox
Gruffard | Gruffard
Grytorm
HalfTangible | HalfTangible
hamiltond465 | Duodecimus
Hanuman | HanumanXoO
Happy Gravity | Deimosaur
Hatevah | Hatevah
heronbpv|Sérpico
Holocron Coder | Holocron
Hullabaloo | Sosrey
Incomp | Incomp
InyutheBeatIs | Believe Inyu
Istari | IstariK
Ivellius | Ivellius
Jamin | CapZich
JKTrickster | ZenTrickster
Joran | Jorana
KaizoMK | KaizoMK
Kara Kuro | RaptorKitty
Kciemir | Ghostface Ki11ah
Kettle | Kettle747
king.com | kingcom
Kinslayer | HaunterReqiuem
Kirbot | Kirbot
kmchii | kmchii
knightMARE|Sir Wiffleston
Kopaka | Portent
Kotarus | Adrameleck
Kwazey | Kwazey
Lansky | Blurbie
Laudandus | Laudandus
LegoShrimp | LegoShrimp
LightWraith | TheLightWraith
Lil Shiro | Mizz Mitchell
litewarior | litewarior
Lonely Tylenol | If I Had a Hifi
Lord_Gareth | Prince of Knives
Lord Generic | Lord Generic
LordShotGun | LordShotGun
LostEnder | LostEnder
Low-Key | TheFuzziestBear
Lunix Vandal|Lunix Vandal
lvl 1 sharnian | StarryEagle
Lyxie | Lyxie
Mabn | Gafslicher
Maeglin_Dubh | Tycho Velius
Makensha | Jarbis
MammonAzrael | MammonAzrael
Manticoran | Manticoran
Maryring | Skilvrel
MasatoHyuga | MasatoHyuga
Master_Rahl22 | Goltoth
master256 | QWERTYSTOP
Math_Mage | Mathmage
Mathematicae | Mathematicae
Mattarias, King. | Mattarias
Malmagor Andrigal | Madmal
Maxios | Maxios20
McCerberus | MCerberus
McDougal | McDouggal
Meatshield#236 | Meatshield236
Merellis | Merellis
Mike_the_Mystic | Kraemer
Milskidasith | Milskidasith
Mindfreak586 | Mindfreak586
Mirrinus | Parallaxal
Miscast_Mage | MiscastMage
Moklok | KokoBWare
Mr. Mud | Proposal
mrcarter11 | Mrcarter11
mrzomby | mrzomby
Mtg_player_zach | MtgPlayerZach
Mushroom Ninja | Mushroom Ninja
Mutant Bunny | WhollySpart
Nadevoc | Xenik
Nanoblack | IwearSILLYhats
Nargan | Naryuk
Necroticplague | Yamidamian
Neoseanster | Neoseanster
NeoVid | NeoVid
Nerocite | Nerocite
neXianXavia | neXianXavia
NoobForHire | Taishar Malkier
NotAEvilToaster | NeonPie
oblivion6 | warcrown10
Octopus Jack | Thalric
Olinser | Olinser
One Tin Soldier | beelzebubcbgptch
Otomodachi | Cyfarfod
Outsideheaven | Outsideheaven
Perkinz|Perkinz
PersonMan | Nsev
Pie Guy | Qwazes
pilvento | Kandrass
PhantomFox | PhantomFox7
PhoeKun | PhoeKun
Pocal | Pocalem
Poison Fish | Baron Von Flib
Postmodernist | Postmodernist
Protecar | Godreig
Protecar | Atk
Psychotic | SquirrelFish
Qaera | Qaera
ragingrage | ragingrage
Raistlin1040 | Sanevale
Rama | Nargus
Raroy | setokaibasmt
RationalGoblin | AtillathePun
Raven444 | Iskandarl
Reinboom| Riot Reinboom
Raveypoos | Rhaviewoos
recklessabaddon | recklessabaddon
revolver kobold | A Magic Kobold
Reynard | Duke Reynington
Ryomasa | Ryomasa
Sallera | Sallera
Saveducks | ElGrandisimo
Serpentine | Lady Serpentine
Shades of Gray | PierreAbelard
shadowwalker64 | shadowwalker65
Shadowleaf | Shadowdancing
Shadow Lord | ShadowLordgiantitp
Shadowy | DJPON3Vinyl
Samshiir | Samshiir
ShortOne | LittlePoppy
SidCoolios | Irazel
Silverraptor | Silverraptor
Siosilvar | Siosilvar
Sircarp | Sircarp
SirSigfried | LibertarianSDR
Slash_712 | Catfud
??????? | sofawall
sonofzeal | sonofzeal
St. Viers | St.Viers
Starfols | Starfols
Starswords | Starswords
SuperPanda | Lokilar
TalonDemonKing | TalonDemonKing
TechnOkami | TechnOkami
Temotei | Temotei221
Terazul | Allegretto
term1nally s1ck | silverdevilboy
tesla_pasta | generictownsman
TheAmishPirate | TheAmishPirate
Thanatos 51-50 | Thanatos Erebus
The_Ditto | Ditto11
The_Fiery_Tower | TFT Supports
TheGlowingRogue | I Glow In Dark
Themage | SirPelletheGreat
Thethan | Thethan
The Hellbug | hellbug22
The Rabbler | Paco H Jones
The Shadowmind | The Shadowmind
The Valiant Turtle | Valiant Turtle
Thrantar | Thrantar
Thrawn183 | Thrawnyboy
throtecutter | throtecutter
toasty | toastymow
Thomas Cadrew | DecadentPheonix
Tono | Tono Chou
Treayn | Treayn
tribble | Smallbluedot
Tychris1 | Tychris1
u-gotNOgame | UGNG -or- Sirius Amory
userpay | userpay
Vauron | Vauron
Volatar | The Volatar
Vwulf DeMarcus | NinjaXeq
wandiya | wandiya
Wolf_Haley | Jon Talbain
Winterwind | DreamingHeart
Winthur | Seyruun
WyvernLord | WyvernThornKing
woodzyowl | Woodzyowl
XaioTie | Tiefernan
Zabbarot | Zabbarot
Zeful | Zeful
ZeltArruin | ZeltArruin
Zemro | Shivic
ZeroNumerous | ZeroNumerous
Zeteni | Zeteni
Zinc | El Jaun Zinco
zmasterofjersey | GhosTazer
zolga | TheZolga


EU Server--West
Forum Name | Game Name
Acromos | Crannoch
Adumbration | Adumbration
Anonomuss | Anonomuss
Azimov | Sidhe de Athame
Brother Oni | MarineHK4861
Cheers | Sam vds
Cyborg Mage | Cyborg Mage98
Eldariel | Elealar
Even Human | SlyGuyMcFly
Gauntlet | Isva
HalfDragonCube | giantmudkip
fishjam | fishjam
Krazzman | Viskerin
Maryring | Skilvrel
Maxymiuk | Maxymiuk
Mc. Lovin | B1GB1RDB4G3L
Miscast_Mage | MiscastMage
monkeyboyinc | monkeyboyinc
Morph Bark | Morpheus Bob
Nargan | Naryuk
Outsideheaven | Outsideheaven
PersonMan | Scarge
Reb46 | Reb46
Reynard | Duke Reyn
Runhidesurvive | Jmack10
Saph | StarSaph
Socratov | Mbutu
shadowwalker64 | shadowwalker64
Talesin | Fridgecake
term1nally s1ck | Silverdevilboy
That'd_be_me | AntiLocke
TheGeckoKing | Alpharis Omega
Volatar | VolatarUK
Winterwind | DreamingHeart
Ziren | Zirenoid
zolga | MasterZolga

EU Server--Nordic & East
Forum Name | Game Name
Dada | Scrattlebeard
darksolitaire | Darksolitaire
Posca | LDRC
Rockbird | Rockbird
Werekat | Werekat


EU Server--Unspecified
Forum Name | Game Name
Abakus | Terpfen
Alemil | Alemil
Ayra | Ayramatao
Darwin | DarwinBeGood
Endoperez | Endoperez
Heliomance | Sidhe de Grian
Kurrel | GrinningOni
littlebottom | Littlebottom
lord_khaine | Lord_khaine
Narazil | Narazil
Narkis | Narkis
Penthar | Malderon
Raviepoos | Skittles Unicorn
Shadowleaf | AncientPharma
Voidhawk | Sidhe ne Awk
Zefir | Einerwie
Zombywoof | Zombywoof


LA North Server
Forum Name | Game Name
Dusk Eclipse | DuskSoul
UrashimaJamez | UrashimaJamez


SEA Server
Forum Name | Game Name
abadguy | Smite Thy Enemy


Oceanic Server
Forum Name | Game Name
Red Rubber Band | HeWhoIsJohn


Turkey (TR) Server
Forum Name | Game Name
Eloel | [unknown]


MUMBLE
Download here! (http://mumble.sourceforge.net/)
Our main means of communication is a Mumble server, playing host to a variety of games, including LoL. We're quite a tight knit community, get to know us! Hanging about is a good way to find a game, and if you don't fancy playing something there's always a good chance of a friendly chat. Contact Djinn_in_Tonic via PM if you have a question or want to donate money to keep the server running.
Address: fish.mumbleboxes.com
Port: 36003

Admins: Djinn_in_Tonic (Djinn); Darth Mario; ShortOne (LittlePoppy, Raven); Dogmantra; Nano (Nanoceraptor).

STREAMS
Some of us run streams. You can watch them here.
Legoshrimp (http://www.twitch.tv/legoshrimp)
McDouggal (http://www.twitch.tv/McDouggal)
Silverraptor (http://www.livestream.com/silverrapter?t=527242)
The Fiery Tower (http://www.twitch.tv/the_fiery_tower)

GUIDES & CHAMPION OVERVIEWS
Sometimes people write guides and post them in this thread. Other times pro players write guides that people then post in this thread. They often end up here.
Champion Introductions:
Thanks to Eldariel, Playgrounders in Thread XLV (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=277003) wrote blurbs to introduce players to their favorite champions. Yay.
Ahri (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14981225&postcount=520) by SlyGuyMcFly
Alistar (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15079170&postcount=297) by Joran
Amumu (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14991206&postcount=727) by Ivellius
Anivia (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14971268&postcount=332) by Eldariel
Annie (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14972307&postcount=366) by endoperez
Caitlyn (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14973242&postcount=375) by McDougal
Cho'Gath (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14973137&postcount=374) by Happy Gravity
Janna (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14976717&postcount=424) by Winthur
Fizz (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14971765&postcount=345) by PersonMan
Hecarim (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14973331&postcount=377) by Arbitrarity
Irelia (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14980231&postcount=502) by aethernox
Kennen (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14973033&postcount=372) by Anarion
LeBlanc (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15049895&postcount=15) by Miscast_Mage
Lulu (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14975266&postcount=413) by Kris on a Stick
Nasus (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14971542&postcount=340) by TheShrike
Nocturne (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15057985&postcount=97) by Darius Macab
Olaf (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14972935&postcount=371) by dgnslyr
Rengar (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14974241&postcount=387) by ChaosOS
Singed (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14976931&postcount=427) by QWERTSTOP
Skarner (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14984458&postcount=591) by TechnOkami
Sona (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14971676&postcount=344) by Forrestfire
Tristana (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14975078&postcount=409) by Math_Mage
Vi (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14976557&postcount=423) by Pherinos
Zyra (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14982344&postcount=541) by The Fiery Tower

General Guides:
A General Guide to Support (http://tpesports.net/index.php?site=articles&action=show&articlesID=32), by Math Mage
Guide to General Common Jungler Set-Ups (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12409551&postcount=575), by Mtg_player_zach
Small Guide to Jungle Counterpicking (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12379254&postcount=98), by Winthur
General Guide to AD Carries (http://www.solomid.net/guides.php?g=9234)
Seizing the fourth digit: Playing your way out of Elo Hell. (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=341821) by Math_Mage
Faulty and Raistlin's Quick Build Database: Notes and Stuff (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10942497&postcount=1004) by Faulty and Raistlin
Turning Skill Into Elo: Solo Queue Mindset And Methodology (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1220673) by MathMage
How to be a Good Team Leader (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1374492) by Darth Mario

Specific Champion Guides:
Be warned. These guides are, by and large, outdated. Much of the information referenced in these guides has been made obsolete as a result of League's natural patch cycle and changes from Season to Season. If you're looking for information on a champion, you'll have better luck at SoloMid.net (http://solomid.net/guides.php?champ=&sort=2&display=4&x=98&y=9) or LolPro.com (http://LoLPro.com). Alternatively, ask the thread!
Riven 101 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12579737&postcount=204), by Arbitrarity
Highly Artistic Blitzcrank guide (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12380155&postcount=115), by Dogmantra
Laser Bear Udyr (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9657101&postcount=39), by Djinn_In_Tonic
Rammus: Can't touch this (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=258919), by Math_Mage
Twitch (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board
[URL="http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10267058&postcount=1448), by Djinn_In_Tonic
Jungle Akali (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10498621&postcount=1358) by Djinn
How to play everyone's favourite Lightning Squirrel (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10518034&postcount=154) by Dogmantra
Lee Sin (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=636475) by Dralnu
Super Serious Rumble Guide (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11052926&postcount=904) by Dogmantra
OH SNAP Morgana Can Jungle (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11295698&postcount=1238) by Dogmantra
Anivia Guide (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11514141&postcount=845) by Eldariel
Tristana (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11938481&postcount=1029) by MathMage
CLASSY VIDEOS FOR CLASSY PEOPLE*
Watching these videos makes you a classier person. Fact.
Jungle Janna! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC6wm9iaNmM)
How to Win Every Game in League of Legends (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrsTE1vpoXM)
Panic at the Nexus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7WlCbaLI3I)
Sunfire Cape Sunday (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgjfX6crjrg)
Season One Trailer with Commentary (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/news/season-one-trailer-commentary)
D-Town (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wHp4VJ47v0)
Insanity Mix (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGKN1Adzckk&feature=related)
(Truly, Truly) Outrageous (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC7S05vI-BU&feature=related)
I'm just a noob (Ryze Ryze Ryze again) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpr1T-pgaZY&feature=related)
e.o.n Shen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHs_cGUPQ3M&feature=related)
Vendrim-Ionia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry3E2UQMe3k&hd=1)
Pwn ur FACE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf9VSDt0EN4)
Your -Epic- Dreamhack comes true! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKCs1CyBFLg)
Ezreal Custom Skin Spotlight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn-HoAPlg-c)
I Just Got Ganked (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpNVN33fj4Y&feature=channel_video_title)
Keep Feeding (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaR0frKc4a0)
Champion Rap Battles -- Brolaf vs. Gentleman Cho'Gath (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZ-r300BVFI)
Combinasion BOOM! League of Legends (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwzsXR4sM_Y)
All in the Cards (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9d3342IXSs)
No One Ganks Like Garen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD4uiTQsRJg)
Rammus Taunts Everyone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-8Q4PM4PXM)


COMICS AND PICS
It's like your eyes are getting a massage.LoL Comic (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=48169) by Elagune
Learn Your Alphabet (http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/6264/g28376.png) by Dogmantra and Pierreabelard (with a mention in Summoner Showcase #36 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy7JWV-HA28&feature=feedu)!)
Chibi Champions (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=763895) by pika7
Gender Swaps (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=606416) by ShowMeYourMoves
Champion Flowchart Guides (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=608154) by Renekton Bot
Patch Day Comic (http://i.imgur.com/kHtwk.jpg) by DaemianFF

TRAVEL BACK IN TIME: PREVIOUS THREADS
Proof we're not all experiencing collective hallucinations.
League of Legends LVII: A Song of Loss and Ire - A Feast for Cho (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?331764-League-of-Legends-LVII-A-Song-of-Loss-and-Ire-A-Feast-for-Cho)
League of Legends lVI: ME BRO! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=325851)
League of Legends LV: A Song of Loss and Ire - A Storm of Wards (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=319175)
League of Legends: We will LIV, they will die (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=312431)
League of Legends LIII: A Song of Loss and Ire - A Clash of Pings (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=307325)
League of Legends LII: Sin of the Blind Monk (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=302528)
League of Legends LI: A Song of Loss and Ire - A Game of Throws (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=298396)
League of Legends L: Lucian's Lost Love's Luxurious Lantern Lodge (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=293376)
League of Legends XLIX: Why are there snowballs in a jungle? (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=289027)
League of Legends XLVIII: A Broken Spine is Just a Twist of Fate (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=15339231#post15339231)
League of Legends XLVII: Legend of Poro - Retcons on Ice (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=282669)
League of Legends XLVI: Everybody now comes from Freljord (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279408)
League of Legends XLV: They ruined the King AND his blade! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=277003)
League of Legends XLIV: *SQUAWK* Who's there? *SQUAWK* League of Legends XLIV who? (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=273412)
League of Legends XLIII: Now with 100% more Leagues. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=270068)
League of Legends XLII: I Hope The New Champ Is Vi-able (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266201)
League of Legends XLI: Fish Are Friends, Not Food (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=263722)
League of Legends XL: Season on Hold 'till Morello Gets Gold (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=261213)
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[JKTrickster]

Ah like the fresh new thread smell!


So did anyone find any champions who are not overpowered on URF? Apparently Olaf is the only one I've been hearing any complaints about.

Did anyone try Udyr yet? My friend brought up whole ridiculous his passive should be with the constant rotating abilities and no mana cost :smallbiggrin:

My favorite is still Taric. Nothing shines quite like those gems...but I still can't figure out if Tank Taric is better or AP Taric is better :smallconfused:

[ex cathedra]

So did anyone find any champions who are not overpowered on URF? Apparently Olaf is the only one I've been hearing any complaints about.
What is and what isn't overpowered is completely relative. That's not quite what you mean though. Rumble and Shyvana probably get the least from the gamemode, since Rumble's resource hard-caps the usefulness of CDR and he doesn't use mana or energy in the first place. Shyvana's ult is unaffected by CDR so the only benefit she gets in refreshing its cooldown is the CDR on her Q.

[Godskook]

The hardest part about trying to figure which champions are OP in URF is that there's currently no understanding of the meta, and without that, we lack the framework to evaluate strengths and weaknesses.

For instance, Mao has a highly dominant laning phase against, but is lackluster in later 'phases'* of the game. Nidalee, otoh, doesn't have nearly as much early pressure, but rapidly becomes unstoppable as she approaches lvl 9. Soraka just dumps on basically anyone who can't outrange her silence meaningfully, but I don't she can do better than go even in lane against Maokai.

*Honestly, even using the term 'phase' in this context is highly misleading, as the nature of the mode so drastically changes the game that even core meta choices such as "laning phase" need to be questioned harshly. Champions are so strong in 'even' laning scenarios and the mode is so enabling of map traversing power that its very likely that URF's true meta will evolve into something where the first phase will look more like an all-mid strat, with region specific roles developing later into the game, as Dragon, Baron, and tower-soloing become things. Such as a "jungler" who specializes in destroying Baron/Dragon(Malzahar?), a "pusher" who can solo towers as long as they're unmolested(AD Shyvana? Rammus? IDK), and a "guardian" who is capable of defending towers in this ridiculous mode(Shaco and Teemo come to mind).

[Ashen Lilies]

Yasuo also gets comparatively little from URF. His Q doesn't scale off of CDR, and his E already essentially has no cooldown and is limited in other ways independent of CDR. The only benefits Yasuo gains are for his Windwall and Last Breath (which amusingly gets a cooldown far lower than he can actually trigger independently).

I feel like Shyvana probably isn't strong, but she does get some benefits from URF, including 100% Burnout uptime and also turning into a walking meat blender with ~1 second cooldowns on her Q and E.

I'll agree that Rumble is probably the biggest loser in URF. 15 second ultimates (33% uptime!) are neat, but using his regular abilities is completely impractical without driving yourself into overheat.

[NeoVid]

URF mode got me playing again for this first time in months, and I've been running through all of the champs I like playing anyway, and seeing what happens. Healers always get banned, so my old habit of maining support doesn't work so well, with an exception: Zilean. Zil can get off 2 ults per teamfight, and bomb spam + spell vamp is insane. Other favorites of mine that turned out to be stupidly good were Veigar and Alistar. Mundo, Singed and Blitzcrank being able to ult nonstop wasn't nearly as good as I was hoping for, though.

Next one to test: Sion. I'm wondering what teamfights will be like if his ult is permanently active.

[Talesin]

My favorite is still Taric. Nothing shines quite like those gems...but I still can't figure out if Tank Taric is better or AP Taric is better :smallconfused:

AP Taric is crazy good. With Flash up you can pretty much drop any squishy Marksmen. With your passive taking 2 seconds off of any cooldown, and cooldowns being something like 3s, 2s, 3.6s, 15s for his abilities it's pretty insane with Lich Bane.

Also Ali and Gragas are insanely fun. I also had a game with Tryndamere, I got dumpstered in lane against Maokai and Karthus but they couldn't stop me split pushing.

[Godskook]

Yasuo also gets comparatively little from URF. His Q doesn't scale off of CDR, and his E already essentially has no cooldown and is limited in other ways independent of CDR. The only benefits Yasuo gains are for his Windwall and Last Breath (which amusingly gets a cooldown far lower than he can actually trigger independently).

Windwall has a .4s overlap on uptime, which may be enough to let his team dominate teamfights ridiculously well. Despite him being individually weak in this mode.

[Merellis]

Nami is fun to play in this mode. Bouncing heals all over, constant speed buffs, bubbles all over, constant AA enhancers.

[PhantomFox]

Helicopter Renekton is almost as fun as helicopter Heckarim. :)

[Antonok]

Wish I had remembered runes were going on sale today. Would of picked up a couple quints instead of marks. /grumble

[JKTrickster]

Wait runes on sale? Which ones?

[Fjolnir]

I will say I hope this mode goes onto a fairly heavy rotation once they get a few more gameplay options in place, I have managed to get sona because the other team failed to ban it twice and managed to go ham with her both times, though the first time master yi was attacking faster than my cooldowns so I couldn't q->stun->q him

[Fearan]

Concerning URF. Ahri. Just Ahri

[Dusk Eclipse]

Wait, Runes went on sale? Should have waited.... I mean Ezreal is fun (specially on URF), but I needed some more AP runes.

[Antonok]

All of them, 30% off. (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/features/upcoming-rune-balance-changes)

[Dusk Eclipse]

Yeah, I totally forgot about that, and I bought Ezreal mostly due URF.... sigh, well doesn't really matters much I don't usually play AP champs anyway.

[Eldariel]

Huh? That's cool, time to round out my rune collection! Or wait, is that on EUW yet? Or better yet, is EUW actually up ever?

[Farix]

All of them, 30% off. (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/features/upcoming-rune-balance-changes)

Keep in mind that runes did get reworked with the latest patch (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-45-notes), so the numbers are gonna be a bit different than they were.



Edit: Mustn't buy Rumble, Mustn't buy Rumble, Mustn't buy Rumble.

2nd Edit: SKT skins (http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/04/43-pbe-update.html) for Jax, Lee Sin, Zyra, and Vayne are on PBE

[Siosilvar]

Keep in mind that runes did get reworked with the latest patch (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-45-notes), so the numbers are gonna be a bit different than they were.

Along those lines:

According to my math, against purely physical damage, flat armor seals suck now unless you have a large amount of sustain (heal, regen, shield). Flat health is strictly superior pre-6 in an all-in fight, scaling health is usually better midgame (what levels depend on the champion you're playing, 6-8 for melee and 6-12ish for ranged is a good estimate), and scaling armor is the absolute best lategame.

Obviously, flat and scaling health are going to be better against magic damage.

Flat armor quints and reds are very good options now, however, especially if you're running health seals. Quints are worth more than 4 seals at this point; I think I'll be getting a set.

[Anarion]

Are health regen seals worth looking into now for lane sustain?

[Godskook]

Are health regen seals worth looking into now for lane sustain?

If you're more worried about sustain rather than burst protection and expect to face mostly magic damage, hp5 seals seem ok. They beat out HP seals in 71s, which assuming its a more poke-based lane, is reasonable to leverage.

[Olinser]

I can honestly say that URF mode is probably the most fun I've had playing league in a long time.

I hope they leave it in as a custom game possibility.

[TFT]

Making a wall of plants with zyra is pretty fun in URF...

Along with the snare possibilities. I'm surprised she isn't used as much as lux is.

[Anarion]

Making a wall of plants with zyra is pretty fun in URF...

Along with the snare possibilities. I'm surprised she isn't used as much as lux is.

Some of us aren't good at landing skillshots, even with near infinite uses. :smallsigh:

[Olinser]

Some of us aren't good at landing skillshots, even with near infinite uses. :smallsigh:

There is also the fact that while rooting people infinitely is fun, she has no hard CC other than her ult. So any other ranged champion can continue to blast her while stuck in place.

[Nerocite]

Ah like the fresh new thread smell!


So did anyone find any champions who are not overpowered on URF? Apparently Olaf is the only one I've been hearing any complaints about.

I had a teammate tell me that Nasus was too slow for the mode, and my game impact with him was pretty lackluster.

[sonofzeal]

Just tried Urgot on URF, having not played anything since S3. Went 13/4/1 (most kills and least deaths on my team), and the highest cs too.

Qing with a 0.4 cooldown at rank 1 is just... wow. SpamspamspamQsandspam.

[Eldariel]

There is also the fact that while rooting people infinitely is fun, she has no hard CC other than her ult. So any other ranged champion can continue to blast her while stuck in place.

Well no, most skillshots are either dodgable or blocked by the plants and you can just walk out of AA range while casting root. She certainly requires you to maintain a safe leash though, much longer than most. I successfully laned against a Zed today tho so it's definitely doable; use the ridiculous range of your plants and your micro and get a fast Zhonya's for the "cast all on my diver and Zhonya"-setup and you should be fine.

[mrcarter11]

So I'm really happy Riot is making some 750 skins because it's nice to not always have the more expensive ones come out, but I feel making the SKT skins 750 is a weird choice, they are supposed to be these awesome commemorative skins for winning Worlds, but they look really ****ty at the moment.

[Forrestfire]

At least the TPA ones had new ability appearances. These are just kinda lame...

Hopefully Zed makes up for it. His dance should totally be moving between shadows emulating the Faker play (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YvuTh9DRQQ).

[Eldariel]

This week everyone gets to be Faker Zed on URF :D

[Forrestfire]

The fact that most of us need 80% CDR to emulate it is really a testament to how good he is :smalleek::smalltongue:

[ex cathedra]

The fact that most of us need 80% CDR to emulate it is really a testament to how good he is :smalleek::smalltongue:

if he was good he would've gotten out of group stages

[Forrestfire]

How does that work, out of curiosity? Since they lost in the Group Stage, does that mean they're not going to be in any of the other tournaments this year, or do they have a chance to make it back? If they're completely gone, that's a real shame. I enjoyed watching their games. :smallfrown:

I really ought to learn how the LCS system works.

[Eldariel]

How does that work, out of curiosity? Since they lost in the Group Stage, does that mean they're not going to be in any of the other tournaments this year, or do they have a chance to make it back? If they're completely gone, that's a real shame. I enjoyed watching their games. :smallfrown:

I really ought to learn how the LCS system works.

Different system there. They'll sit this one out tho they should be able to play in NLB. So technically they can still get 5th in the total standings. For the summer season they can requalify.

[Forrestfire]

Ah, good to know, thanks for clarifying. They're the only team I'm really rooting for outside of a generic preference, most of the time, so that's nice to hear.

[Joran]

How does that work, out of curiosity? Since they lost in the Group Stage, does that mean they're not going to be in any of the other tournaments this year, or do they have a chance to make it back? If they're completely gone, that's a real shame. I enjoyed watching their games. :smallfrown:

I really ought to learn how the LCS system works.

Okay, the LCS system. Spring Split is a glorified pre-season. Summer Split is all that really matters (unless of course you get relegated) to get into Worlds.

The LCS is a league where all the teams play each other 4 times. At the end, the two teams with the worst records don't make the playoffs. The rest of the teams battle it out in the playoffs (the #1 and #2 teams get a bye and face no possibility of relegation). The bracket plays out and the team that finishes sixth (by losing both of their b03 matches) can also face relegation. For Summer playoffs, the top 3 teams make Worlds.

Between splits, the three worst teams in the LCS are put in a Best of 5 match against a Challenger team. The two bottom teams are automatically up for relegations, the third team is decided by the playoffs. Then in descending order by placement, the LCS team picks one of the three Challenger teams to face off in a best of 5 match, the winner goes into the next split of the LCS. (Note: the LCS teams in NA DO NOT want to finish last this split, because they'd most likely face LMQ, a pro team from China)

So the stakes for Spring Split is cash monies and to avoid being knocked out of the LCS. If a team isn't in the LCS in the Summer Split, they can't make Worlds period. The Summer Split is the one that really matters and determines which teams go to Worlds.

OGN is different in that it's based on a circuit point system. OGN runs Champions Winter, Spring, and Summer, three tournaments throughout the year. Depending on a team's placement in each Champions tournament, that team gains a certain number of circuit points. If a team is knocked out of Champions before the semi-finals, they participate in a lower tournament known as NLB where they can still gain circuit points. This is how Najin Black Sword got into Worlds last year; they won Champions Winter, then finished first in NLB in Spring and Summer and gained enough circuit points. Winter, Spring, and Summer are worth the same number of points.

The two teams that have the highest circuit points go to worlds and the third slot is determined by a playoff.

Current circuit point ratings can be seen here:
http://lol.gamepedia.com/Season_4/Circuit_Points_Korea

[Anarion]

Thanks, Joran. That was by far the most understandable presentation I've seen of how the leagues work.

[ex cathedra]

How does that work, out of curiosity? Since they lost in the Group Stage, does that mean they're not going to be in any of the other tournaments this year, or do they have a chance to make it back? If they're completely gone, that's a real shame. I enjoyed watching their games. :smallfrown:

I really ought to learn how the LCS system works.

SKT T1 K are locked in for the Korean all-stars spot since the OGN season won't be done until after everyone goes to Paris; without the point payout of that tournament's conclusion, no one can compete with SKT T1 K in circuit points. You'll 100% see them there. They have a reasonably high chance of going to Worlds next season, too, so you're only really missing out on their games if you watch OGN. They'll still play in Masters though.

[Mabn]

funny story on urf, we were a heimerdinger, an alistar, a vayne, and an ashe with a dc'd zed fighting a Kayle with 4 dc'd teammates. she went 20+/1/0 and only lost due to minions.

[Yael]

Hey, with the release of the Feral Flare, now every champion's name who buys it changes its name to fit NASUS in some way... Even more with a 500-stacked Q Nasus with that item. Then gets a Trinity Force, is he autoattacking? Nope, just spamming his Q....

[Antonok]

Learn something new every day. You can get a refund (https://support.leagueoflegends.com/entries/22120694-Content-Refund-FAQ#h5) on reworked champions for free.

[Eldariel]

Learn something new every day. You can get a refund (https://support.leagueoflegends.com/entries/22120694-Content-Refund-FAQ#h5) on reworked champions for free.

That would lead to not owning all the champions. I don't understand.

[Ashen Lilies]

It also extends to skins and such. I could see a situation where after a visual update (Blast Zone Heimerdinger and Vandal Twitch* are this for me) where after the update someone might consider the updated skin to be inferior to the updated base appearance or the original skin and stop using them. The only reason the skin decreased in value was due to Riot changing the art, so I think it's kind of a good faith thing for them to say "we changed this thing after you bought it so if you don't like it anymore we can take it back".

(Of course in my case Blast Zone Heimerdinger was a mystery gift and Vandal Twitch was part of a bundle so I'm not going to apply for refunds either way)

*at least from current preview images

[ex cathedra]

is this real life (http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/226n0y/spoiler_ogn_spring_postmatch_discussion_thread/)

[Antonok]

That would lead to not owning all the champions. I don't understand.

In my particular case, I VERY much dislike the gragas rework so I'm seeing about getting a refund and putting it into some runes/other champ that I will play. Theres time enough to get him back after I have nothing else I want.

[endoperez]

That Rumble opening screen! :smallbiggrin: Love it!

[Joran]

is this real life (http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/226n0y/spoiler_ogn_spring_postmatch_discussion_thread/)

"I'm not dead, yet! - SKT T1-K

I hate Team Kills in group stage. There will always be that lingering doubt that SKT T1-S intentionally threw the match.

Edit: Unless of course, T1-S beats T1-K in the tie breaker... ;)

[ex cathedra]

Edit: Unless of course, T1-S beats T1-K in the tie breaker... ;)


that's the dream

[mrcarter11]

"I'm not dead, yet! - SKT T1-K

I hate Team Kills in group stage. There will always be that lingering doubt that SKT T1-S intentionally threw the match.

Edit: Unless of course, T1-S beats T1-K in the tie breaker... ;)


It's already all over the internet that S threw both games. You have to admit, S seemed more shaky against Prime, compared to KT or SKT. On the other hand, Prime also seemed to be a bit more on the ball.
It doesn't make a ton of sense though for SKT to have S throw the games. K is pretty far ahead in points, and letting S play the bracket stage would help S get into contention for Worlds. SKT as an organization would likely rather roll the dice with a reasonably good chance of getting both teams into Worlds, rather then a really good chance of getting a single team into Worlds.

[ex cathedra]

It's already all over the internet that S threw both games. You have to admit, S seemed more shaky against Prime, compared to KT or SKT. On the other hand, Prime also seemed to be a bit more on the ball.
It doesn't make a ton of sense though for SKT to have S throw the games. K is pretty far ahead in points, and letting S play the bracket stage would help S get into contention for Worlds. SKT as an organization would likely rather roll the dice with a reasonably good chance of getting both teams into Worlds, rather then a really good chance of getting a single team into Worlds.

i don't really agree. champions is definitely more competitive and is arguably as prestigious as world's. K not making it out of groups is probably not the kind of shame the organization wants to face, and being ahead in points this early in the circuit season isn't meaningful for a team that's become as shaky as K. even if they sweep NLB, they'd end up tied with or behind half of the teams that have a decent chance of winning this tournament.

[TechnOkami]

That would lead to not owning all the champions. I don't understand.

Some of us don't play ranked (often enough to care) and can't do well with every single champion.

Like me.

[Eldariel]

Some of us don't play ranked (often enough to care) and can't do well with every single champion.

Like me.

But do you play Pokémon?

[mrcarter11]

i don't really agree. champions is definitely more competitive and is arguably as prestigious as world's. K not making it out of groups is probably not the kind of shame the organization wants to face, and being ahead in points this early in the circuit season isn't meaningful for a team that's become as shaky as K. even if they sweep NLB, they'd end up tied with or behind half of the teams that have a decent chance of winning this tournament.


Has K been shaky in Masters? I haven't actually watched a ton of it.
But in champions, I'm pretty sure the first loss against S was on purpose. Call it whatever you want, it felt like a throw. It felt like K was playing with their food against Prime and still they walked on Prime pretty well. The KTA games, were the only time K looked a bit lost. The first game, I'd like to say was them messing around and not being serious. I mean the picks kinda point to it. The second game though. I just don't know. They knew that they had to win. I'd expect a team like that to be able to deal with tilt pretty well. In either case, I feel calling K shaky at this point is unfair. I want to see how they look moving forward some.

In terms of prestige, to everyone except maybe those who work at kespa, I'm gonna say Worlds is a bit bigger and better to win. It means a slight bit more then a single Champions title, something you can win three different times throughout a year. I'm still fairly certain it'd look better for SKT to have two teams move on to Worlds, then their pride and joy team move on to brackets.

[NineThePuma]

I just asked for a refund of Rengar.

I'm really really sad about doing it, but... He's just not in a state where he can do anything particularly well at the moment. I'll just have to play Skarner top and wreck people with that.

[ex cathedra]

Has K been shaky in Masters? I haven't actually watched a ton of it.
But in champions, I'm pretty sure the first loss against S was on purpose. Call it whatever you want, it felt like a throw. It felt like K was playing with their food against Prime and still they walked on Prime pretty well. The KTA games, were the only time K looked a bit lost. The first game, I'd like to say was them messing around and not being serious. I mean the picks kinda point to it. The second game though. I just don't know. They knew that they had to win. I'd expect a team like that to be able to deal with tilt pretty well. In either case, I feel calling K shaky at this point is unfair. I want to see how they look moving forward some.

In terms of prestige, to everyone except maybe those who work at kespa, I'm gonna say Worlds is a bit bigger and better to win. It means a slight bit more then a single Champions title, something you can win three different times throughout a year. I'm still fairly certain it'd look better for SKT to have two teams move on to Worlds, then their pride and joy team move on to brackets.

i don't really know what makes a tournament prestigious if not the level of competition. is it the prize pool? that seems pretty shallow to me, at least. the fact that the teams are chosen from all over the world shouldn't matter, either, since no one made a huge deal about blaze's WCG win (and rightfully so). unless the world's format gets a huge overhaul i have low expectations for this season. last season there was an at least 50% chance that the second best team in the tournament wouldn't make it to the finals. since SKT and NJS got paired into the same half of the bracket, we witnessed the less fortunate 50%. that could possibly have been acceptable if the format was improved in other ways (less byes, better group stages, a longer format such that there's more time for preparation in the earlier stages of the tournament), but the disparity in the level of play between the SKT vs najin semifinal and the grand finals was frankly embarrassing.

neither worlds nor any given season of champions are important in the long term. fnatic's and TPA's world's wins have long since become meaningless. champions is at least kind enough to offer games of consistently higher average quality.

edit:
i don't buy that SKT T1 K were just playing around in either KTA match, either. nothing about the picks seem suspicious to me: karthus, corki, and morgana are uncommon but the same is true of shen and nocturne. mandu has always been one to favor relatively unpopular champions and if anyone was to bring support morgana from the NA/EU LCS to OGN i probably would have guessed that it would be him.

two-time Champions winners and World champions SKT T1 K couldn't make it out of group stages without an extremely unlikely series of events that sparked countless match fixing rumors, and you're telling me it's unfair to call them shaky? okay guy.

[Manticoran]

I actually am finding Rengar to be quite effective, what are you having problems with?

[NineThePuma]

I actually am finding Rengar to be quite effective, what are you having problems with?

He's in this poor state where he's awful early and still can't contribute if he gets behind. Arguably his ability to contribute when behind is WORSE now since he can't split push anymore.

Admittedly, that might just be me needing to relearn the champ completely, but he no longer completes the fantasy of hunting cat in a way I find satisfactory.

[Joran]

i don't really know what makes a tournament prestigious if not the level of competition. is it the prize pool? that seems pretty shallow to me, at least. the fact that the teams are chosen from all over the world shouldn't matter, either, since no one made a huge deal about blaze's WCG win (and rightfully so). unless the world's format gets a huge overhaul i have low expectations for this season. last season there was an at least 50% chance that the second best team in the tournament wouldn't make it to the finals. since SKT and NJS got paired into the same half of the bracket, we witnessed the less fortunate 50%. that could possibly have been acceptable if the format was improved in other ways (less byes, better group stages, a longer format such that there's more time for preparation in the earlier stages of the tournament), but the disparity in the level of play between the SKT vs najin semifinal and the grand finals was frankly embarrassing.


People did seem to make a big deal of KT Bullets' win at IEM. Ryu looked HAPPY, which is an odd look for him. Also, the fans of KT bought a massive flower thing to congratulate them.

They are revamping the Worlds format this year. No byes, so I assume they're expanding the group stage, which was the best part of the tournament. I'd also prefer if they could make sure two teams from the same region can't play each other until further in the bracket. OMG got shafted since they drew Royal Club.

As for SKT T1-K, they've been looking a bit shaky for awhile, despite winning some matches. In Masters, I think against Naijin White Shield, they were down both nexus turrets before managing to come back. I saw some speculation that T1-K was missing the calming influence of PoohManDu (from this guy (http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/215ker/summoning_insight_episode_3_iem_breakdown_and_skt/cg9xlql))

[mrcarter11]

i don't really know what makes a tournament prestigious if not the level of competition. is it the prize pool? that seems pretty shallow to me, at least. the fact that the teams are chosen from all over the world shouldn't matter, either, since no one made a huge deal about blaze's WCG win (and rightfully so). unless the world's format gets a huge overhaul i have low expectations for this season. last season there was an at least 50% chance that the second best team in the tournament wouldn't make it to the finals. since SKT and NJS got paired into the same half of the bracket, we witnessed the less fortunate 50%. that could possibly have been acceptable if the format was improved in other ways (less byes, better group stages, a longer format such that there's more time for preparation in the earlier stages of the tournament), but the disparity in the level of play between the SKT vs najin semifinal and the grand finals was frankly embarrassing.

neither worlds nor any given season of champions are important in the long term. fnatic's and TPA's world's wins have long since become meaningless. champions is at least kind enough to offer games of consistently higher average quality.

edit:
i don't buy that SKT T1 K were just playing around in either KTA match, either. nothing about the picks seem suspicious to me: karthus, corki, and morgana are uncommon but the same is true of shen and nocturne. mandu has always been one to favor relatively unpopular champions and if anyone was to bring support morgana from the NA/EU LCS to OGN i probably would have guessed that it would be him.

two-time Champions winners and World champions SKT T1 K couldn't make it out of group stages without an extremely unlikely series of events that sparked countless match fixing rumors, and you're telling me it's unfair to call them shaky? okay guy.

I'm not saying it has to based on the prize pool, but I feel that it's far more enjoyable to say "I won Worlds" as opposed to "I won Champions Winter". Maybe that's just me. And of course the wins from previous years mean less now, on the same token you can still remember who won season 1 Worlds, can you remember who won Champions Spring or Summer in 12?
Was the entire team messing around, maybe not. But those three picks were all kinda random and something I think we would have expected to see against Prime, not KTA. More so the Corki, which no one can deny was just weird to see. I feel you're actually backing my point, they won Champions twice, and Worlds. They had a 2 bad games and suddenly they are shaky. Better talent loses all the time because of any number of reasons. It's partially why single elimination sucks. If a team is good enough to win that many tournaments and awards, I think fans can give them more then 3 games before suddenly they are "shaky".

EDIT: Joran maybe we just disagree on the meaning behind it or something, but while I guess they haven't looked as good since losing PMD, I can't say they've looked shaky. They consistently still show they know they are doing and can execute well. I've seen them have a few off games but nothing that isn't expected from in terms of a professional team occasional not being as on point as they are on their good weeks.

[Joran]

i'm saying it has to based on the prize pool, but i feel that it's far more enjoyable to say "i won worlds" as opposed to "i won champions winter". Maybe that's just me. And of course the wins from previous years mean less now, on the same token you can still remember who won season 1 worlds, can you remember who won champions spring or summer in 12?
Was the entire team messing around, maybe not. But those three picks were all kinda random and something i think we would have expected to see against prime, not kta. More so the corki, which no one can deny was just weird to see. I feel you're actually backing my point, they won champions twice, and worlds. They had a 2 bad games and suddenly they are shaky. Better talent loses all the time because of any number of reasons. It's partially why single elimination sucks. If a team is good enough to win that many tournaments and awards, i think fans can give them more then 3 games before suddenly they are "shaky".

Edit: Joran maybe we just disagree on the meaning behind it or something, but while i guess they haven't looked as good since losing pmd, i can't say they've looked shaky. They consistently still show they know they are doing and can execute well. I've seen them have a few off games but nothing that isn't expected from in terms of a professional team occasional not being as on point as they are on their good weeks.

This is sports, we overreact to everything! The only thing that matters is what happened most recently!!!

That said, by shaky, I mean they weren't playing their best and have seemingly lost that remarkable edge they had in OGN Winter.

Edit: Apparently the boards auto-corrects all-caps to lowercase...

[Hullabaloo]

So should I start practicing gragas as a top laner now?

[ex cathedra]

I'm not saying it has to based on the prize pool, but I feel that it's far more enjoyable to say "I won Worlds" as opposed to "I won Champions Winter". Maybe that's just me. And of course the wins from previous years mean less now, on the same token you can still remember who won season 1 Worlds, can you remember who won Champions Spring or Summer in 12?
Was the entire team messing around, maybe not. But those three picks were all kinda random and something I think we would have expected to see against Prime, not KTA. More so the Corki, which no one can deny was just weird to see. I feel you're actually backing my point, they won Champions twice, and Worlds. They had a 2 bad games and suddenly they are shaky. Better talent loses all the time because of any number of reasons. It's partially why single elimination sucks. If a team is good enough to win that many tournaments and awards, I think fans can give them more then 3 games before suddenly they are "shaky".

EDIT: Joran maybe we just disagree on the meaning behind it or something, but while I guess they haven't looked as good since losing PMD, I can't say they've looked shaky. They consistently still show they know they are doing and can execute well. I've seen them have a few off games but nothing that isn't expected from in terms of a professional team occasional not being as on point as they are on their good weeks.

both CJ teams? then sword (hence their S3 worlds appearance), then ozone (ditto), then SKT, then SKT. it's actually pretty easy to remember since up until the most recent season a different team won each time.
other pros think that corki is making a comeback. he's getting picked in the LCS and he's been mentioned in a few recent OGN MVP interviews.

kakao literally taunted SKT during the group drawing. i find it very difficult to believe that they wouldn't play seriously in response.

[Sallera]

This is just speculation, but I feel like Gragas should still be usable in his old role in mid. I haven't tried it yet (haven't played much lately), but the rework seems a lot less painful than it could have been. Losing the attack speed slow sucks (and I'm not sure why they'd take it out if they're trying to emphasize his role as a bruiser), barrels are less snipy, and he's definitely lost a fair bit of AoE damage, but his single-target assassination potential?

Really lazy math, 2000hp target, lvl18 burst with 500AP:
Pre-patch, (285+450) + (240+250) + (450+450) = 2125 pre-mitigation damage
Post-patch, (240+300) + (140+150+240) + (280+300) + (400+350) = 2400 pre-mitigation damage

Yeah, it's still there. And now it's got a bit of hard CC as well. He's not as all-around solid as he used to be, but he should still be playable.

Edit: He's probably even improved in the jungle, actually, with the extra CC and his slow being ranged now. Less mobile, though...

Edit edit: Lazy indeed. I wasn't taking into account the AA damage nerf. Still, the single-target burst is at least comparable, if not outright improved.

[ex cathedra]

the old total AD ratio on his E accounted for 130.571 damage that you've forgotten.

[Sallera]

Ah, indeed. Not really an improvement at all, then, but at least still up there.

[Anarion]

Ah, indeed. Not really an improvement at all, then, but at least still up there.

It's not just about the burst, it's about the delivery mechanism. Old Gragas had a lot of range and a lot of AP tied into two long range abilities. That meant that if you were good at hitting those two abilities, you were going to deliver your damage, and do it safely so you could stick around and do more. New Gragas needs to be up close and personal to be effective. Now, his up close got better since his stun can be an effective engage tool and can combine to set up some really good barrels. But ultimately, he's only really effective now if you can get close without getting murdered, which is much more limited than old Gragas.

[Sallera]

Oh aye, I get that much. I'm well aware his defensive play took a big hit, I just tended to play him aggressively anyway, so I feel like he's still viable. No doubt that he's significantly nerfed, though; that's what they wanted, after all.

[PhantomFox]

Twitch Visual (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xK6jXBzMITs) and Audio (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4E6S9bWHD0) rework is on the PBE apparently! His new lines are hilarious. Not only does he get more lines, and special taunts, but he has special lines when he steps in Caitlyn traps.

Some favorites:
I demand a sandwich!
Shooting's easy. ...aiming's hard.
Seriously. I carry a lot of ammo.
Boop!
Stand still! My eyes are on the side of my head!
I licked this bolt for YOU.
Aim, then shoot. Aim, then shoot.
I'll only hurt 'till you die...
It's sticky, so you don't drop it.
Rust it like, more delicious mold.
Dip it in sewage, leave it in the sun for a while.. hmm... oh yes, that's perfect.

Caitlyn traps:
Ugh, it's not even stale yet!
Must... take... food!
Now I have to gnaw my leg off... oh, no, I'm good.

Venom Cask:
I'm going to want that back!
Here's something that WON'T wash off!
Now there's a smell you can feel!

[Neftren]

For anyone interested, I'll be running another tournament tomorrow, starting at 2pm Eastern. There is a significant likelihood that I will require substitute players for participants that fail to show. If you are interested in playing, please let me know. Prizes include RP, among ... other things. Looking for a wide range/variety in skill level (you're actually more likely to get a slot if you're Silver than if you're Diamond).

[Mabn]

So should I start practicing gragas as a top laner now?

Gragas has been my favorite top laner because I loved his safety and sustain. I used every part of his kit and got into melee duels 4 or 5 times a game. I am looking at other champions to see if I have another choice now...

[mrcarter11]

What kind of tournament, is there a purpose behind it, and what kind of format is it?

[thracian]

For anyone interested, I'll be running another tournament tomorrow, starting at 2pm Eastern. There is a significant likelihood that I will require substitute players for participants that fail to show. If you are interested in playing, please let me know. Prizes include RP, among ... other things. Looking for a wide range/variety in skill level (you're actually more likely to get a slot if you're Silver than if you're Diamond).

If you need a top laner, toss me an invite and see if I'm around. If you don't know my summoner name, well, ask almost anyone.

[ex cathedra]

What kind of tournament, is there a purpose behind it, and what kind of format is it?
Summoner's rift to promote his school's club. Players signed up individually and were drafted into teams by the top 12 ranked players, so teams are fairly evenly distributed in terms of on-paper player skill and you don't have to worry about facing a team that's built up a lot of synergy.

[TechnOkami]

But do you play Pokémon?

Not anymore, no...

[PhantomFox]

... sigh.

Okay, so I've encountered a bug, where none of the players can leave the lobby. There's a supposed solution where the game owner can enter queue and we can close the client, but he logged off, so we're all kinda stuck? Halp plz?

[Renegade Paladin]

... sigh.

Okay, so I've encountered a bug, where none of the players can leave the lobby. There's a supposed solution where the game owner can enter queue and we can close the client, but he logged off, so we're all kinda stuck? Halp plz?

Close the client?

[PhantomFox]

Close the client?

Doesn't change anything. Log back in and you're still in the lobby with the others (who you can still see even if they're logged off). From others who have experienced this problem, repairing or reinstalling the client doesn't help either.

[sonofzeal]

Just went 21/2/5 as URF Urgot. Our team as a whole went 31/10/53.

Who says Urgot isn't a hypercarry? =P

[thracian]

doesn't change anything. Log back in and you're still in the lobby with the others (who you can still see even if they're logged off). From others who have experienced this problem, repairing or reinstalling the client doesn't help either.

I fixed it.

[Antonok]

So it seems the new Gragas is most suited to a jungle/support role. The general consensus seems he doesn't have the kit to compete with the current dominant top laners, or the damage for mid lane anymore, but his gank/initiate/peel potential is very good.

Will be interesting to see a Gragas vs Leona support battle.

[Mabn]

So it seems the new Gragas is most suited to a jungle/support role. The general consensus seems he doesn't have the kit to compete with the current dominant top laners, or the damage for mid lane anymore, but his gank/initiate/peel potential is very good.

Will be interesting to see a Gragas vs Leona support battle.

Support Gragas was also viable pre rework because he could heal through anything, harass constantly, and his ult could win teamfights without items if he got the knockback just right. Post-rework this is all still true, but he has mana issues, no free stats, and he can't nerf the other carry's attack speed so his fights are much poorer.

[Godskook]

I fixed it.

Can you type or link to an explanation of how you did this? It sounded really complicated when you explained it in mumble, so I'd like to see a written version.

[PersonMan]

Gragas has been my favorite top laner because I loved his safety and sustain. I used every part of his kit and got into melee duels 4 or 5 times a game. I am looking at other champions to see if I have another choice now...

I loved AD-Bruiser-Top-Gragas with all my heart. Level 2 fights with 50 bonus AD, enemy has reduced AS, you take reduced damage...so good.

[Eldariel]

Not anymore, no...

You once did. It's not a game, it's a lifestyle. Gotta catch them all!

[9mm]

so it's time to start getting used to banning Fiora. Guinbro is back from vacation and working on her.

As for Gragas, I'm waiting a patch till they fix some funky things before really saying my old fat man is back.

[NineThePuma]

Can you type or link to an explanation of how you did this? It sounded really complicated when you explained it in mumble, so I'd like to see a written version.


... sigh.

Okay, so I've encountered a bug, where none of the players can leave the lobby. There's a supposed solution where the game owner can enter queue and we can close the client, but he logged off, so we're all kinda stuck? Halp plz?

he's the guy who logged off

[Grytorm]

So I have remembered that I am trying to play 20 games with each champion. In 6 months I have completed 3 champs. I'm pretty slow at doing this. What I discovered with Malphite is that he is pretty cool top but my attempts with him in the jungle were not that great. I went 12/8 and had a great deal of fun.

But in other news I've barely started playing Vi. I'm kind of terrible with her so far. I miss a lot of flash Q's and play far to aggressive. Generally she should be built tanky with some damage. Elder Lizard, Cleaver, Trinity and Last Whisper would be possibilities with Hexdrinker sometimes. Tank items would be Ancient Golem, Randuins, Sunfire and Spirit Visage.

[thracian]

he's the guy who logged off

Nope.


Can you type or link to an explanation of how you did this? It sounded really complicated when you explained it in mumble, so I'd like to see a written version.

So when you're in the Twilight Zone lobby, you can leave but it puts you right back into the lobby after about a quarter-second. You can do things in this quarter-second, however. If you press the X at the top of your screen to leave lobby, then quickly click Play, then quickly move your mouse down to the Party button, you can get into another lobby. If you enter queue at this point, then leave it, you will return to the Twilight Zone lobby. At this time, however, you will be able to leave it successfully.

[Eldariel]

The more I'm thinking about it (and a bit of Customs testing), the more I'm starting to think that Ryze and Kassadin would actually be somewhat non-broken in URF. Kassa has horrid laning with only Q-spam to survive at short range and his ulti stacks require prerequisite amounts of mana to cast so you can't escape at least a Tear, which is a horrid early game item. It's quite possible to wreck a Kassa before he ever gets to be Kassa and with his range and now lack of Silence, he's actually quite vulnerable to CC chaining if you want to use your ulti offensively.

Ryze is a bit more worrisome but he also has some of the worst build paths for URF (since mana does nothing) and yet there are no real better alternatives. He does insane damage and has built-in Spellvamp but I wouldn't see him much more impressive than e.g. Urgot and definitely vulnerable to CC-chaining of any kind (even with the move speed from the ult), as well as poking (the two dominant strats in URF). He does destroy Hecacopter and Skarnore in 1v1ish situations so that's nice, and he has obscene AOE, but I think having champs that wreck the Dumb OPs is just good for the mode. I feel neither is significantly above the par they're allowing right now (Alistar, Hecarim, Ezreal, Soraka, Nidalee, Skarner, Zed, Lulu, Galio, Syndra, Zyra, Urgot, Shen, Poppy).

[Grytorm]

Flash Ignite Cloth-5 Jungle Vi new meta

[Forrestfire]

So is 3-man pushes then turning the game into ARAM a thing now? Because this is hilarious to watch :smallbiggrin:

[Slayn82]

Hello to all.

I've started to play LoL a few weeks ago, in the Brazilian server. I'm Slayn82 there too. So far, favoriting Poppy, Corki and Soraka.

[thracian]

Just forced the enemy team to surrender at 20 in a 4v5. Team kill scores were 24/6/22 to 6/24/8.

[Ashen Lilies]

You'd think that bot lane would ward after going 0/5 to solo lane Leona/jungle Udyr, but apparently not.

[throtecutter]

So I'm tired of playing all my mains in urf mode.
What are some non-adc, not super common, nor horri-bad characters.

I started with ahri, and had a win ratio of like 80%.
Moved on to victor, who worked incredibly well.
Playing with Lulu now.

Tried leona for a while, but based on team comps it was ownage, or suck.

I tried making graves/sivir work, but I kinda bad with adcs.

Any ideas?

[Dusk Eclipse]

I haven't seen it myself, but I've heard Scarner is pretty good.

[TechnOkami]

I haven't seen it myself, but I've heard Scarner is pretty good.

Skarner is fantastic on URF, although I'm not too sure about his position on the Hideously Powerful chart.

[throtecutter]

URF Lulu is so much fun.
She's working a lot better than when I was playing Janna.

100% move speed buff is awsome!!!

[Godskook]

So I'm tired of playing all my mains in urf mode.
What are some non-adc, not super common, nor horri-bad characters.

I started with ahri, and had a win ratio of like 80%.
Moved on to victor, who worked incredibly well.
Playing with Lulu now.

Tried leona for a while, but based on team comps it was ownage, or suck.

I tried making graves/sivir work, but I kinda bad with adcs.

Any ideas?

1.Anyone with poke, spammable CC or sustain is pretty strong on URF.

2.What's your summoner and server?

[throtecutter]

It's throtecutter on NA
Though, I'm only sporadically on.

[TechnOkami]

It's throtecutter on NA
Though, I'm only sporadically on.

Irrelevant. You'll be added to the list.

[SlyGuyMcFly]

I haven't seen it myself, but I've heard Scarner is pretty good.

AP Skarner is pretty dumb. Another underplayed, stupid OP is Morgana.

[Eldariel]

If I were to make a tier list for URF, it'd be something like:

Challenger: Alistar, Ezreal, Hecarim, Galio, Lulu, Soraka, Zed, (Ryze, Kassadin, Sona)
Diamond: Akali, Brand, Evelynn, Fizz, Irelia, Janna, Jayce, Karma, Kayle, Kha'Zix, LeBlanc, Maokai, Master Yi, Nidalee, Poppy, Shen, Skarner, Syndra, Taric, Urgot, Veigar, Wukong, Zyra
Platinum: Ahri, Cho'Gath, Fiddle, Fiora, GP, Katarina, Kennen, Kog'Maw, Lee Sin, Leona, Malzahar, Morgana, Nami, Orianna, Rengar, Riven, Sejuani, Shaco, Sion, Talon, Teemo, Tristana, TF, Varus, Vayne, Vel'Koz, Viktor, Warwick, Ziggs, Zilean

Note, everyone is of course crazy strong in this mode: It's not a matter of "this champ sucks" (that's like only Rumble), but rather who gets the most out of the changes. As such, this is a rough assessment of who breaks the game rules in the most ridiculous ways and thus benefits the most (and yeah, champs with inherent CD reduction in their kits tend to obviously shine quite brightly). And of course, the list isn't 100% accurate, nor comprehensive, just how it seems like to me based on maybe 50 URFs played combined with friends' opinions. And the differences between the tiers, well, the Challenger champs are pretty obstructive; if they're in the game they'll probably decide the outcome. The Diamonds also crush games but they tend to have one clear weakness compared to the Challenger crowd.

For instance, Akali's pre-6 is fairly weak and she's Chain CCable, Janna lacks proper offensive scaling and thus has trouble actually holding lanes alone, Nidalee's spear missile speed is kinda low when most champions have ridiculous move speed bonuses so while she's uncatchable and has the heal, it's hard for her to actually hold towers or push or whatever alone, Shen actually physically can't push, Urgot needs to sit still to dish out his DPS with E only having reasonable range leaving him a sitting duck in a rain of poke/CC (e.g. I laned Urgot/Annie v.s Janna/Cho once - if either Janna or Cho landed one ability, that's a permastun so Urgot's DPS means nothing; have to spend the whole time dodging) and so on.

Then the Plat characters just either have a bigger flaw or don't break the game rules in quite as ridiculous ways. Fiddle vs. Brand for instance, both have a permastun (in Fear vs. Stun) but Brand has more damage to back it up. Ahri vs. LeBlanc, similar story plus LeBlanc has a point'n'click CC effect. Leona and Shen are similar with the exception that Shen has near-invulnerability in his W (vs. Leona "just" having absurd defensive steroids), mobility on his E (Leona needs to get near to Solar Flare or Zenith Blade; Shen just goes over walls) and a global on his R.

[GreenSerpent]

So because I was tired of playing on 200 ping I created an account on EUW, which is a lot closer to me than NA (however my friends play on NA).

Wow... even though I'm in the lowest levels of the low, things are so much crisper. Went 14/5/something big as Warwick Jungle earlier.

[Ivellius]

It's throtecutter on NA
Though, I'm only sporadically on.


Irrelevant. You'll be added to the list.

S/he's actually already on the list.

[Dusk Eclipse]

What is better for Hecarim, boots of mobility or boots of of swiftness? Yes I got him just to play hecacopter before U.R.F is gone.

[Eldariel]

What is better for Hecarim, boots of mobility or boots of of swiftness? Yes I got him just to play hecacopter before U.R.F is gone.

Usually Mercs, but Swifties obviously if you want a move speed boot setup. Thing is tho, you have enough speed already, you just care about not dying.

[Dusk Eclipse]

Yeah, mercs are probably better for "serious" game, but for a silly game mode like U.R.F I was thinking on pure speed hecarim.

[Godskook]

Usually Mercs, but Swifties obviously if you want a move speed boot setup. Thing is tho, you have enough speed already, you just care about not dying.

It critically depends on his jungle item of choice. Lizard Hec gets Merc normally, but Golem Hec would prefer Tabi.

[Dusk Eclipse]

What is usually better on Heca? I have no idea how to itemize him. I personally prefer the Elder Lizard since I like to be aggressive and I feel the extra damage from it helps me more when ganking and clearing.

Edit: On a related note, how do people feel about the Feral Flame? I've only used once on a bot game (we were teaching a friend how to play), but I'll be the first to admit I was just screwing around with AS Trundle (I got to 2.3 AS inside the frozen domain), so I'm curious on how it works in a normal game.

[Eldariel]

It critically depends on his jungle item of choice. Lizard Hec gets Merc normally, but Golem Hec would prefer Tabi.

If we're talking URF, that doesn't even begin to enter the equation :smalltongue:

[Litewarior]

What is usually better on Heca? I have no idea how to itemize him. I personally prefer the Elder Lizard since I like to be aggressive and I feel the extra damage from it helps me more when ganking and clearing.

Edit: On a related note, how do people feel about the Feral Flame? I've only used once on a bot game (we were teaching a friend how to play), but I'll be the first to admit I was just screwing around with AS Trundle (I got to 2.3 AS inside the frozen domain), so I'm curious on how it works in a normal game.

Feral Flare is strong, but situational. It's not something you want to buy on every ad jungler, but on ones that rely on autoattacks and don't have too many mana issues in the jungle, such as Nocturne, Udyr (tiger stance), Yi, Shyvana and Trundle. It can also enable Baron solos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiXkxYjAhos) on yi at 15 minutes (if played correctly).

[Farix]

XDG vs TSM is one worth watching if you've got the time for a longer match.

Well done by XDG to win this one. Cool side note is that XDG has now won 1 match against each of the other teams in NA.

[Anarion]

Todays Coast v. C9 game is also worth watching. The ending is epic.

[Forrestfire]

Really, even if you just watch the ending, it's worth it to see that backdoor :smallbiggrin:

[Manticoran]

I'm seeing people building Madred's Razor -> Spirit Stone -> Wriggles -> Eventually sell Spirit Stone when they're getting Feral Flare a lot of the time. The combo of Wriggles and Spirit Stone gives you obscene sustain on completely sustainless people.

[Olinser]

So is 3-man pushes then turning the game into ARAM a thing now? Because this is hilarious to watch :smallbiggrin:

It's starting to appear more and more this season.

It was pretty close to the set pro meta last season. Purple side lane swapped, jungler joined for a 3v1 and both first towers fell at 3-4 minutes in.

Riot added in the bonus armor to the turrets to try and compensate, which worked for a while, but now they're back to it.

Honestly it seems to be somewhat the result of reduced value kills and bruisers in the top lane, and popularity of Leona support. Leona's all-in level 2 is just so powerful, why risk that 2v2 early matchup? For the jungler, why go to standard lanes and maybe pick up a kill, when you can lane swap, still get about the same amount of farm on your AD carry, and pick up a near guaranteed turret early? Your bruiser doesn't need nearly as much gold to be effective anyway, so putting him in a 1v2/3 situation really doesn't hurt that much.

Swap lanes, kill the first tower, and go back to lanes at level 3-5.

The 2nd towers dying is kind of the result of neither team being able to back down. If the other team is still pressing towards your inner turret, you can't recall and fight them. By the time you get there the turret is either dead or at low health. Even if your mid laner went to help you're at a 2v3, and they'd just rotate and take the mid outer turret with 4 people. Whoever backs first is at a disadvantage, so you really CAN'T do anything other than press on and trade inner turrets.

[ex cathedra]

It has nothing to do with Leona; she's fallen a bit out of favor and half of the supports in NA would love to play the Morgana vs Leona lane (not that I agree with it, morg is pretty bad.)

Often, without the ability to trinket your jungle at level 1, blind invades are too easily pulled off. Purple side has an incentive to lane swap to top so that they can back their jungler up in a blue invade and respond to a red invade. Without the ability to acquire vision at level one, it's best to assuredly split buffs evenly than to be neglectful and risk one team securing three buffs.

It offers several strategic options that are generally unavailable in standard laning scenarios, too. CJ Blaze executed a 1v2 game beautifully in their masters match versus NJBS. Their top laner was the first player to 18 despite not being given a 1v1 lane. One of the teams in that game had Leona. They swapped out of the Leona vs Sona lane.

[Anarion]

It has nothing to do with Leona; she's fallen a bit out of favor and half of the supports in NA would love to play the Morgana vs Leona lane (not that I agree with it, morg is pretty bad.)

Often, without the ability to trinket your jungle at level 1, blind invades are too easily pulled off. Purple side has an incentive to lane swap to top so that they can back their jungler up in a blue invade and respond to a red invade. Without the ability to acquire vision at level one, it's best to assuredly split buffs evenly than to be neglectful and risk one team securing three buffs.

It offers several strategic options that are generally unavailable in standard laning scenarios, too. CJ Blaze executed a 1v2 game beautifully in their masters match versus NJBS. Their top laner was the first player to 18 despite not being given a 1v1 lane. One of the teams in that game had Leona. They swapped out of the Leona vs Sona lane.

Couldn't some people just buy wards at level 1? Like, how the game was played for a few years until this season?

[Dusk Eclipse]

While I agree that is a pretty reasonable and probably expected response, few people are willing to invest in wards early in the game because how much the other starting items cost; I think only supports and some junglers may be able to buy a ward and still be able to do reasonable well with the reduced stats.

[mrcarter11]

Couldn't some people just buy wards at level 1? Like, how the game was played for a few years until this season?

I think the problem with this stems from the loss of sustain you have since you bought a ward. Realistically you buy the ward for the invade pressure, so bot benefits little from it, meanwhile you just lost 300 hp to trade with. That's a severe loss.

[ex cathedra]

Couldn't some people just buy wards at level 1? Like, how the game was played for a few years until this season?

Like, how the game was played before supports had viable starting items? The issue there is that you either buy a ward to ensure yourself a 2v2 in which your lane has an item disadvantage or you buy a ward and 2v1 anyways, in which case your superior numbers on the top half of the map already give you enough pressure to guarantee two buffs. There's no win-state for that unless you have a vastly superior 2v2 even with an item disadvantage, which a) happens less and less as the skill level of top players homogenizes and b) doesn't actually assure you that the enemy team won't swap anyways.

[Joran]

Often, without the ability to trinket your jungle at level 1, blind invades are too easily pulled off. Purple side has an incentive to lane swap to top so that they can back their jungler up in a blue invade and respond to a red invade. Without the ability to acquire vision at level one, it's best to assuredly split buffs evenly than to be neglectful and risk one team securing three buffs.

It offers several strategic options that are generally unavailable in standard laning scenarios, too.

In addition, it gets your mid laner unmolested throughout the early game, which is valuable, especially against a jungler like Eve.

[Olinser]

It has nothing to do with Leona; she's fallen a bit out of favor and half of the supports in NA would love to play the Morgana vs Leona lane (not that I agree with it, morg is pretty bad.)

Often, without the ability to trinket your jungle at level 1, blind invades are too easily pulled off. Purple side has an incentive to lane swap to top so that they can back their jungler up in a blue invade and respond to a red invade. Without the ability to acquire vision at level one, it's best to assuredly split buffs evenly than to be neglectful and risk one team securing three buffs.

It offers several strategic options that are generally unavailable in standard laning scenarios, too. CJ Blaze executed a 1v2 game beautifully in their masters match versus NJBS. Their top laner was the first player to 18 despite not being given a 1v1 lane. One of the teams in that game had Leona. They swapped out of the Leona vs Sona lane.

Beginning trinket cooldown wasn't until patch 4.4, which wasn't on the LCS until this week. Some of the teams were doing this last week as well, when they could ward the jungle.

People were doing it last season even with the support starting multiple wards. Warding is certainly a factor, but not the only factor.

[Siosilvar]

So, queuing up for top lane Fiora in team builder takes forever (10-15 minutes), but you get the most wonderfully positive teams. After all, anybody who's willing to take a Fiora is pretty easygoing...

I played four games with her so far. Haven't lost one yet, though I did go negative once (against another Fiora) and probably should've lost the game against Nasus if anybody on their team was actually competent at playing their picks.

[Manticoran]

I'd just like to take a moment to go NYEH NYEH NYEH NYEH to all the people who were telling me 2v1 lanes were an awful idea due to the tower changes and can never work anymore. <3 NYEHHHHHHH

(Here's to you, aether. Get better at TF)

[thracian]

I'd just like to take a moment to go NYEH NYEH NYEH NYEH to all the people who were telling me 2v1 lanes were an awful idea due to the tower changes and can never work anymore. <3 NYEHHHHHHH

(Here's to you, aether. Get better at TF)

Yeah, but you know that your opinion is irrelevant unless you're Diamond. If you are Diamond, your opinion is irrelevant unless you're D1. If you are, your opinion is irrelevant unless you're Challenger. If you are, your opinion is irrelevant unless you're an LCS player. If you are, your opinion is irrelevant unless you're a member of C9. If you are, your opinion is irrelevant unless you're Korean.

[TechnOkami]

Yeah, but you know that your opinion is irrelevant unless you're Diamond. If you are Diamond, your opinion is irrelevant unless you're D1. If you are, your opinion is irrelevant unless you're Challenger. If you are, your opinion is irrelevant unless you're an LCS player. If you are, your opinion is irrelevant unless you're a member of C9. If you are, your opinion is irrelevant unless you're Korean.

I like this a lot more than I should.

[Joran]

Yeah, but you know that your opinion is irrelevant unless you're Diamond. If you are Diamond, your opinion is irrelevant unless you're D1. If you are, your opinion is irrelevant unless you're Challenger. If you are, your opinion is irrelevant unless you're an LCS player. If you are, your opinion is irrelevant unless you're a member of C9. If you are, your opinion is irrelevant unless you're Korean.

So the only person whose opinion matters is KOR Kez?

P.S. Edited out Bischu because he's not an actual LCS member like KOR Kez is.

[thracian]

They removed a few more champs from the URF queue. (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/features/ultra-rapid-fire-rockets-further-future)

[TFT]

Yeah, but you know that your opinion is irrelevant unless you're Diamond. If you are Diamond, your opinion is irrelevant unless you're D1. If you are, your opinion is irrelevant unless you're Challenger. If you are, your opinion is irrelevant unless you're an LCS player. If you are, your opinion is irrelevant unless you're a member of C9. If you are, your opinion is irrelevant unless you're Korean.

Okay, this is getting ridiculous.

Can we not strawman my opinion into something stupid?

Thanks.

[Litewarior]

Okay, this is getting ridiculous.

Can we not strawman my opinion into something stupid?

Thanks.

No, I'd say that's a pretty accurate summary of the League community as a whole.

"Master Yi isn't viable, no one plays him in high elo." *D1 Korea and NA player mains Yi*
"Master Yi isn't viable, the pros don't play him." http://www.probuilds.net/champions/MasterYi
*Master Yi isn't viable, he's not played in the LCS at all." Solo Queue =/= LCS.

[thracian]

Okay, this is getting ridiculous.

Can we not strawman my opinion into something stupid?

Thanks.

I actually wasn't referring to you at all :smallconfused:

I was mostly just referred to the general league community, most specifically Reddit.

[NineThePuma]

So, I did some thinking on Urgot. Anyone mind taking a look at my thought process?

Urgot's issues, leaving aside cosmetic/thematic ones, are that he has a very awkward kit for a 'Marksman' (more awkward than Teemo, even, and Teemo's a bloody AP).

The reason for this comes down to his lack of range on his autoattacks, his Caster style of marksmanship, and his lack of Traditional Marksman Scaling. His lack of range on his autoattacks is made up for in kit by the extreme range of his Acid Hunters when locked onto a target. His Caster style of marksmanship is largely unsupported, with few ways to hit that magical 40% cdr cap while still itemizing in a traditional AD fashion (the best way I can spot is to go Bruta -> Stinger -> Ionians, with five coming from masteries, but then you just bought a stinger). His lack of 'Traditional' scaling refers to Attack Speed and Crit scaling, which he doesn't particularly have due to the fact that his primary source of damage is to land a Corrosive Charge and then start shooting people with Acid Hunters, and those don't have the ability to crit. The latter two problems go hand in hand.

My ideas for addressing the latter problems change only his Q (his ult does need to be touched, but I'm not sure how to do that so I didn't touch it): Make his Q's cd scale with Attack Speed, and make it able to crit (though only the Ratio would crit, rather than the flat damage). This homogenizes him somewhat (he now wants to build like a traditional ADC) but it also keeps his play style largely intact. It buffs his viability somewhat by boosting his late game DPS and making his itemization more straight forward. I'm not sure if it would move him from the absolute bottom of the pack in terms of champ selection, but it'd probably help him out.

[thracian]

If you made Urgot Q behave like Yasuo Q in terms of scaling, I'm pretty sure he'd become top-tier. Sure, he has no mobility, but he'd have decent teamfighting (zero mobility offset by insane damage and above-average tankyness), absurd dueling (same as before, only mobility matters rather less) and very strong laning (this would not change).

[NineThePuma]

Obviously he'd still need tuning to be on par with the other ADs, but making him strong isn't exactly a bad thing, imo. You might need to tune his Q's damage and actual CD, but making him a strong viable pick wouldn't hurt him. Hell, you don't necessarily even need to make his Q able to crit for the full double damage, or at all. Cleaning up his itemization would be enough, imo.

[sonofzeal]

So, I did some thinking on Urgot. Anyone mind taking a look at my thought process?

Urgot's issues, leaving aside cosmetic/thematic ones, are that he has a very awkward kit for a 'Marksman' (more awkward than Teemo, even, and Teemo's a bloody AP).

The reason for this comes down to his lack of range on his autoattacks, his Caster style of marksmanship, and his lack of Traditional Marksman Scaling. His lack of range on his autoattacks is made up for in kit by the extreme range of his Acid Hunters when locked onto a target. His Caster style of marksmanship is largely unsupported, with few ways to hit that magical 40% cdr cap while still itemizing in a traditional AD fashion (the best way I can spot is to go Bruta -> Stinger -> Ionians, with five coming from masteries, but then you just bought a stinger). His lack of 'Traditional' scaling refers to Attack Speed and Crit scaling, which he doesn't particularly have due to the fact that his primary source of damage is to land a Corrosive Charge and then start shooting people with Acid Hunters, and those don't have the ability to crit. The latter two problems go hand in hand.

My ideas for addressing the latter problems change only his Q (his ult does need to be touched, but I'm not sure how to do that so I didn't touch it): Make his Q's cd scale with Attack Speed, and make it able to crit (though only the Ratio would crit, rather than the flat damage). This homogenizes him somewhat (he now wants to build like a traditional ADC) but it also keeps his play style largely intact. It buffs his viability somewhat by boosting his late game DPS and making his itemization more straight forward. I'm not sure if it would move him from the absolute bottom of the pack in terms of champ selection, but it'd probably help him out.

I think that's the wrong direction. I play Urgot, and he isn't an ADC, and his Q isn't an autoattack. He's just had substantial nerfs in the past (V1.0.0.143 nerfed pretty much every aspect of his kit that wasn't nerfed in V1.0.0.140b), from which he hasn't recovered. With a robust suite of innate tankiness (armor/MR from ult, health from sheild) and debuff options (suppress+reposition with ult, 5 second armor shred with E, 7 second slow with W, and global damage nerf as long as he can hit those Qs), and an initiation tool that's all about chucking him into the middle of the enemy team, about the only thing he really shares with most ADCs is dealing largely physical damage.

Urgot lives to be a lane bully early-game in exchange for dropping off in DPS late-game and that's fine. Not everyone has to be a lvl 18 full item set powerhouse. Rather than try and make AS scale his Q, I'd prefer to simply smooth out his midgame a bit more and focus on his utility later-game. Reversing the nerf to his ult at low rank would do that, by making his lvl 6-15 more imposing and adding more utility to his team. Increasing the armor shred of his E and slow of his shield at higher ranks would also do that, since virtually everyone maxes his Q first and you'll only see those higher ranks in the lvl 8-15 range too. His damage may drop off, but if he's providing the utility and pressure to help his team win while the enemy's crushed ADC is still struggling to hit double digit CS, then he's carrying his substantial weight.

[Anarion]

If you made Urgot Q behave like Yasuo Q in terms of scaling, I'm pretty sure he'd become top-tier. Sure, he has no mobility, but he'd have decent teamfighting (zero mobility offset by insane damage and above-average tankyness), absurd dueling (same as before, only mobility matters rather less) and very strong laning (this would not change).

The real question is whether any of this would cause you to play him bot lane, instead of anywhere else.

[NineThePuma]

Urgot is officially classed by Riot as a Marksman, which I will agree is weird. That means his intended balance point is around fellow marksmen (though admittedly none of THEM have Tank as a secondary attribute; the most common secondary attributes being Mage (3) or Assassin (4) with Quinn and Ashe being a (secondary) Fighter and a (secondary) Support respectively).

Urgot has a lot of utility, but if you're building him straight tank with one damage item (probably Muramana), you're running into the problem of where the devil is he laning? The only real option is Top, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't meet the Renekton Bar.

[Cogwheel]

I assumed URFgot was the long-promised rework.

[Eldariel]

They removed a few more champs from the URF queue. (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/features/ultra-rapid-fire-rockets-further-future)

Dunno how Zed and Ezreal slipped through but whatever, now there are enough bans to get rid of all the stupid OPs at least.

[Nadevoc]

Urgot is officially classed by Riot as a Marksman, which I will agree is weird. That means his intended balance point is around fellow marksmen (though admittedly none of THEM have Tank as a secondary attribute; the most common secondary attributes being Mage (3) or Assassin (4) with Quinn and Ashe being a (secondary) Fighter and a (secondary) Support respectively).

Urgot has a lot of utility, but if you're building him straight tank with one damage item (probably Muramana), you're running into the problem of where the devil is he laning? The only real option is Top, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't meet the Renekton Bar.

It's almost like Riot's tagging is still bad at times, and that Urgot's one of the few champions with a somewhat unique niche - which is not a bad thing.

He's a lane bully that usually wants to transition into a bruiser/tanky character (occasionally if you get very far ahead, you can afford to keep building damage, which is fun but not suggested).

He generally wants to lane either mid or top.

As far as the "Renekton Bar"... I'm not convinced he doesn't reach it. If he can land his E, he gets to keep poking you down with guaranteed hits from outside your range. He also has a spammable shield for 'sustain'. He's not as much of an all-around pick as Renekton, but that's not a problem, and you can't have too many of those anyhow.

[TFT]

I actually wasn't referring to you at all :smallconfused:

I was mostly just referred to the general league community, most specifically Reddit.

Oh I'm sorry then. It's just that the opinion you were talking about is eerily similar to a strawman'd version of my opinion when I was talking to Aether at the end of the last thread, so I assumed it was a dig at me. My bad.

[sonofzeal]

He generally wants to lane either mid or top.

I've generally seen his niche as someone to pick when you want to really shut down a particular lane in the 1-6 range, which is usually bot. Creep waves are no guard against his E, and if he lands a single one he can either get a surprising pile of free damage or zone you entirely off the wave to avoid it, but that's best when the target is squishy (not top), and where there's a lot of space to do that zoning in (not mid). Plus, because it can be fired just fine into bushes, and marked targets can be Q'd even without vision, bush control is a whole new thing (not mid).

The only question for me is whether to consider him a kill lane support, or a bastardized ADC. My suggestions above cast him as the former, but if you wanted to go in the latter direction I'd simply make his Q apply on-hit effects, meaning it benefits from lifesteal instead of spellvamp too, opening up some more build options without radically changing anything.

[Winthur]

I just played Leona against ocelote on a streamed game and lost

damn i'm trash

[Lix Lorn]

Has this song (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&amp;v=NBNpS8QqD_I#t=0) been linked yet? I got linked it yesterday and it's wonderful.

[Dusk Eclipse]

Indeed it is an awesome song, there is also a Demacia vs. Noxus, though I don't like it as much and they are working on Shadow Isles vs. Void (though apparently it won't be released until june :smallfrown:

[Silverraptor]

Hey guys, I need your opinions. I'm close to getting 6300 IP, and I need to decide which of these two champs I should get first. I already plan on getting both, but I can't decide who first. So, between Vel'koz and Yasuo, who should I get?

[Dusk Eclipse]

I haven't played Vel'koz yet, but I do have Yasuo and I really like him.

[Recaiden]

Get Vel-koz. He's a void champion, while Yasuo is a boring swordsman (I won both).


Has this song (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&amp;v=NBNpS8QqD_I#t=0) been linked yet? I got linked it yesterday and it's wonderful.

Not in the thread anyway. It is pretty good, although overall I prefer the original, it has some very good pieces (♥ Victor).

Speaking of them, what are some artists/groups who do LoL-themed songs? I'm aware of (obviously)Falconshield, and Instalok, Badministrator, AoD, Plentakill.
Which is really more than I ever expected to exist in the first place.

[Renegade Paladin]

Has this song (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&amp;v=NBNpS8QqD_I#t=0) been linked yet? I got linked it yesterday and it's wonderful.

Mundo tired of rapping. And singing! Mundo beatbox now! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufha9gGPQfI#t=3m10s) :smallbiggrin:

Anyway, Team Newline practice is in a little over two hours.

[Recaiden]

Mundo beatbox now! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufha9gGPQfI#t=3m10s) :smallbiggrin:

Anyway, Team Newline practice is in a little over two hours.

Best part of that song. :smallbiggrin:

Also, won't be able to make it today. Have to play drums to back the wind ensemble performance tonight.

[Joran]

Get Vel-koz. He's a void champion, while Yasuo is a boring swordsman (I won both).



Not in the thread anyway. It is pretty good, although overall I prefer the original, it has some very good pieces (♥ Victor).

Speaking of them, what are some artists/groups who do LoL-themed songs? I'm aware of (obviously)Falconshield, and Instalok, Badministrator, AoD, Plentakill.
Which is really more than I ever expected to exist in the first place.

There's a lot of them. Off the top of my head, there's LilyPichu, Sandy Popushi, Lunity, and Natsumii. Those are more into the cutesy, pop kind of LoL songs.

[Neftren]

So, how many people here would be interested in a GitP/Mumble tournament? I was thinking something along the lines of Double Elimination over the course of a few weeks.

[Hawkfrost000]

So, how many people here would be interested in a GitP/Mumble tournament? I was thinking something along the lines of Double Elimination over the course of a few weeks.

I assume it would be 5v5, would we just have a list of people who want to play and have captains draft players for their teams?

I would be down, but i am somewhat restricted in terms of time.

[Neftren]

I assume it would be 5v5, would we just have a list of people who want to play and have captains draft players for their teams?

I would be down, but i am somewhat restricted in terms of time.

Something along those lines. I don't think time is a problem so long as you can get on at least once a week to play your match(es).

[Renegade Paladin]

Team Newline practice is in a little less than three hours.

[TechnOkami]

Has this song (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&amp;v=NBNpS8QqD_I#t=0) been linked yet? I got linked it yesterday and it's wonderful.

Mundo is King, end of conversation.

[Joran]

Has this song (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&amp;v=NBNpS8QqD_I#t=0) been linked yet? I got linked it yesterday and it's wonderful.

The only thing stopping it from being a 10 out of 10 is how annoying Ezreal's voice is.

[WyvernLord]

So, how many people here would be interested in a GitP/Mumble tournament? I was thinking something along the lines of Double Elimination over the course of a few weeks.

I'm interested,I can do any night except Tuesday.

Just in case it is relevent I am an ADC main with an ok top lane.
Silver 1 though I might be back in Gold soon.

[PhantomFox]

Team Newline practice is in a little less than three hours.

Will be present, but an hour or two late, if people are still online.

[Olinser]

So, how many people here would be interested in a GitP/Mumble tournament? I was thinking something along the lines of Double Elimination over the course of a few weeks.

I'd be down.

[Ashen Lilies]

GitP competition: Yes.

[Shadowy]

I'm up for a GitP tourney.

[TFT]

Only issue is we have both an active Euorpean base and an Active American base, so we would definitely run into issues in terms of who has to play on what server and when to play.

If we can get the logistics working I'd probably play.

While I'm here, match today against the ranked 1 team in our league for ncespa (http://www.twitch.tv/ncespa) tonight at 7 PST. Should be a good one.

[Don Julio Anejo]

So, how many people here would be interested in a GitP/Mumble tournament? I was thinking something along the lines of Double Elimination over the course of a few weeks.
I'm fairly interested, but depends on the format. I don't think I'd be able to commit the time slot to play with a specific team on a specific schedule, as my work schedule is extremely hectic and prone to deadlines, but I usually have a lot of free time and would be able to play if captains just draft/randomly pick from a pool of players in a drop-in style tournament.

Silver 1 ADC/support main.

[NineThePuma]

The only thing stopping it from being a 10 out of 10 is how annoying Ezreal's voice is.

Fittingly, though.

(I am bothered that Heimer is included as a 'Neutral' when Janna was ripe for a verse)

[TechnOkami]

The only thing stopping it from being a 10 out of 10 is how annoying Ezreal's voice is.

I bluntly agree...

I like Area of Defect's Ezreal in their Piltover song.

[NineThePuma]

Ezreal had a lot of potential, but they screwed up a number of fluff things and while I like parts of it, Ezreal could have stood alone instead of having Lux get referenced.

[Don Julio Anejo]

Has this song (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&amp;v=NBNpS8QqD_I#t=0) been linked yet? I got linked it yesterday and it's wonderful.
Man, Cait sounds incredibly sexy with her cocky semi-British accent.

On Ezreal: made me think of this little webcomic strip:
http://www.talesofvaloran.com/comics/2013-10-04-talesofvaloran034.png

[Anarion]

I'd be down for a mumblers tournament, though my time is quite limited.

[Hullabaloo]

I have a similar response as the rest. I would love to play in a tourney, but my times are really limited as the weather starts getting nice.

[Olinser]

Regarding the tournament, probably the first step would be just to compile a complete list of everybody interested, figure out how many teams there are, then select/nominate a captain for each team. The captains draft their teams, and a bracket is set with who plays who next. From there the opposing captains can coordinate with their teams to figure out when they actually want the match. Winners are reported to Nef, then the next round matches are set.

[ex cathedra]

Regarding the tournament, probably the first step would be just to compile a complete list of everybody interested, figure out how many teams there are, then select/nominate X numbers of captains. The captains draft their teams, and a bracket is set with who plays who next. From there the opposing captains can coordinate with their teams to figure out when they actually want the match. Winners are reported to Nef, then the next round matches are set.

That's probably very similar to what he'd do, yes. He was just gauging interest; the most recent tournament he organized accepted entry via google forms and captains were assigned based on solo-queue rating.

[Forrestfire]

I'd be in for one, but I'm fairly sure I'm terrible and would drag a team down >_>

[Olinser]

That's probably very similar to what he'd do, yes. He was just gauging interest; the most recent tournament he organized accepted entry via google forms and captains were assigned based on solo-queue rating.

Right, but the point is that people shouldn't be hesitant to participate just because they're not sure they can make specific times.

Teams should have some flexibility to be able to find a day/time that works for all of their team members for each match.

[Dallas-Dakota]

I'd be interested.

Gold V who mains ADC/mid and is a ok support.

on EUW.

[PersonMan]

I'd be interested in such a tournament as well, but I'd like to ask which server it'll be hosted on.

[Renegade Paladin]

Hell, I'd play. Bronze III, jungle main with competent (given Bronze) top and support.

[Olinser]

I'd be interested in such a tournament as well, but I'd like to ask which server it'll be hosted on.

I assume NA.

[mrcarter11]

If you need extras to balance out teams, I can play. NA server for me.

[WyvernLord]

I am now officially a Gold 5 ADC/Top/support.

[Math_Mage]

So, how many people here would be interested in a GitP/Mumble tournament? I was thinking something along the lines of Double Elimination over the course of a few weeks.
This is the second most tempting reason to start playing again I have heard since I stopped playing. Eh, if it's streamed I'll snark at y'all.

[Renegade Paladin]

I'ma just leave this here. (http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4429636)

[Nadevoc]

So, how many people here would be interested in a GitP/Mumble tournament? I was thinking something along the lines of Double Elimination over the course of a few weeks.

If you're still looking for folks, I'm in to help round out the less skilled portion of the roster of Mumblers

[Neftren]

I'd be interested in such a tournament as well, but I'd like to ask which server it'll be hosted on.

I think there are more players on NA than anywhere else.



At this point, I'm just looking to see how interested people are in something like this. At a minimum, we would need 40 players (eight teams).

[Mtg_player_zach]

I'm game.wharblgrblll

[PersonMan]

Alright, well so far 16 people have said they're interested.

EDIT: Not sure if I'm the only one whose main is on EUW*, but I was wondering how that'd be handled - regarding what skill bracket someone with differing rankings would be put in and how the effects of greater ping would be accounted for.

*who also has an account on NA I could participate with

Hawkfrost000

WyvernLord

Olinser

Kris on a Stick

Shadowy

The Fiery Tower

Don Julio Anejo

Anarion

Hullabaloo

Forrestfire

Dallas-Dakota ("on EUW")

PersonMan

Renegade Paladin

mrcarter11 ("if you need extras")

Nadevoc

Mtg_player_zach

[NineThePuma]

I'd like to chime in and say I'd rather not participate! :D

[Olinser]

I think there are more players on NA than anywhere else.



At this point, I'm just looking to see how interested people are in something like this. At a minimum, we would need 40 players (eight teams).

40? That's an awfully high bar to set, man. I kind of doubt we're going to get near that with just GITPers.

20 seems like the ideal area, that would give 4 teams, we could have some pretty good games.

[Dusk Eclipse]

Does it have to be just playgrounders, I have a couple of friends who would probably be thrilled to participate in a tourney. I would participate too, but there is no way I can get my NA account to level 30 anytime soon.

[Hullabaloo]

40? That's an awfully high bar to set, man. I kind of doubt we're going to get near that with just GITPers.

20 seems like the ideal area, that would give 4 teams, we could have some pretty good games.

Agreed. Could do a round robin, top to play for 1st and 2nd, bottom 2 play for 3rd and 4th

[Godskook]

40? That's an awfully high bar to set, man. I kind of doubt we're going to get near that with just GITPers.

20 seems like the ideal area, that would give 4 teams, we could have some pretty good games.

Whut? We got 16 just from a casual interest check. 40 seems completely doable once we echo the idea through all the players who're either A)not daily forum checkers or B)are mumblers but not playgrounders.

[Siosilvar]

Whut? We got 16 just from a casual interest check. 40 seems completely doable once we echo the idea through all the players who're either A)not daily forum checkers or B)are mumblers but not playgrounders.

Yeah, there are a lot of playgrounders. And if we extend to "friends of friends", we hit a ton more people.

Even with a smaller number of people, though, you can do fun stuff with rotating everybody through team combinations and positions they're willing to play. With just 20 people in 1 role each you can get like a thousand different teams going :smalltongue:. The number of possible games is only roughly 250k, though.

[ex cathedra]

And I suspect that the "we will need a minimum of 40" has more to do with riot sponsorship and prize support than it does the tournament format.

[Mathematicae]

Hello all, I've been lurking for a while and I'd like to get myself added to the list of players.

Server: NA
Forum Name: Mathematicae
Summoner Name: Mathematicae

I'd also be interested in the tourney. I'm a Silver III support main and passable at ADC/top/mid.

[The Hellbug]

Hey, I don't get around to posting real often, but some of the mumblers know me. I'd be down with that whole GitP tourney thing y'all are talking about.

[PersonMan]

And I suspect that the "we will need a minimum of 40" has more to do with riot sponsorship and prize support than it does the tournament format.

Riot sponsorship? Is that a thing for tournaments like this?


I'd also be interested in the tourney. I'm a Silver III support main and passable at ADC/top/mid.

Roger that, added you to the list.


I'd be down with that whole GitP tourney thing y'all are talking about.

Added you, too.

That makes 18 total who've listed interest so far.

Hawkfrost000

WyvernLord

Olinser

Kris on a Stick

Shadowy

The Fiery Tower

Don Julio Anejo

Anarion

Hullabaloo

Forrestfire

Dallas-Dakota ("on EUW")

PersonMan

Renegade Paladin

mrcarter11 ("if you need extras")

Nadevoc

Mtg_player_zach

Mathematicae

The Hellbug

[Qwertystop]

Make it 19. I'm mostly top but... adequate elsewhere (except jungle where I just suck).

[thracian]

Mastermind2 has expressed interest.

EDIT: My success with Feral Flare Udyr is such that I'm a little sad that I died last game. It is my second death in 6 games as Feral Flare Udyr.

[Mtg_player_zach]

I've had success with 41% AS Runes Yi, but I don't know if I'd call it good. Actually, it's totally good, won last game because of it.

[thracian]

Dragonus45 has expressed interest.

[JKTrickster]

I'm interested!

I only really do Top. But I need some practice and I play from China....so that's probably not helpful actually.

[PersonMan]

That makes 23 total who've listed interest so far.

Hawkfrost000

WyvernLord

Olinser

Kris on a Stick

Shadowy

The Fiery Tower

Don Julio Anejo

Anarion

Hullabaloo

Forrestfire

Dallas-Dakota ("on EUW")

PersonMan

Renegade Paladin

mrcarter11 ("if you need extras")

Nadevoc

Mtg_player_zach

Mathematicae

The Hellbug

Qwertystop

Mastermind2

Dragonus 45

JKTrickster (China; no NA account?)

Godskook

[Godskook]

I can be added to that list.

[PersonMan]

Every now and then I'm reminded of how immensely rewarding it can be to become a team's shot caller. The feeling of pride you get when you make the two calls that pull your team together to win the game instead of milling about being in the lead without doing much is really nice.

[Lix Lorn]

So... just had an urf game...
which lasted nearly an hour.

We lost our turrets and inhibs by thirty minutes. At that point, we had two of their towers.
http://oi59.tinypic.com/2n1cilh.jpg
(The udyr had been wanting to go to bed for 20 minutes)

[Dallas-Dakota]

I just have to point out and comment that Outlaw Squirtle is such a awesome name.

[Lix Lorn]

...it so is. xD she was the least terrifying person on their team though.

[Godskook]

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g146/Godskook/4v5pentakill-4v5proof.pnghttp://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g146/Godskook/4v5pentakill-pentaproof.png

[Winthur]

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g146/Godskook/4v5pentakill-4v5proof.pnghttp://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g146/Godskook/4v5pentakill-pentaproof.png

wow i hope shaco gets banned for leaving, what a jerk

[Godskook]

wow i hope shaco gets banned for leaving, what a jerk

#Missingthepoint

[Winthur]

#Missingthepoint

So uh
you were the biggest feeder in a stomp?

[Forrestfire]

Almost half the team's deaths. Tsch tsch :smallamused:

[thracian]

Why is Kid Kris always somehow involved in these stupid 4v5 games. Last time this happened was when he was solo lane Leona and our jungle Udyr and top Fiora got so fed the enemy team surrendered at 20.

[Anarion]

Why is Kid Kris always somehow involved in these stupid 4v5 games. Last time this happened was when he was solo lane Leona and our jungle Udyr and top Fiora got so fed the enemy team surrendered at 20.

He has the ability to break multiple computers in quick succession and I assume Riot's sophisticated matching system fully compensates for this when assigning the MMR of his teams. :smallwink:

Also grats on the penta Kook.

[Eldariel]

Well, URF's gone and I'm left increasingly convinced that most players have no clue of what they're doing when they're optimizing picks and what-have-you. Trends seemed to emerge and yet these trends seemed to go weird ways. To the last days, people seemed shocked that Galio, Shen & co. are absolutely ridiculous (and very rarely banned) while the likes of Shaco, Brand, Nami, etc. kept getting banned. There seemed to be a strong current towards APzreal in spite of the natural advantages ADzreal has in the mode (pushing, better poke, better straight-up damage, jungling capability, proper lifesteal for insane sustain, etc.) - over the first days of the mode I saw some ADzreals but in the last it seemed like I was the only ADzreal player on EUW (and since I tried to vary my champs to try stuff out, even I didn't play him very much).

There also seemed to be a Shaco in like 50% of the games even though he didn't appear especially impressive in any of the games I saw him in. I would love it if "people just trying to have fun" were a viable explanation but it seems like a vast majority of the picks were in the higher echelons of power in the mode and some people had fairly tryhard attitude so I'm inclined to believe "failed attempts at optimization" are a more likely explanation.


It was fun though. Dunno how to get used to needing mana and energy again now.

[PhantomFox]

In regards to the tourney, I might be in, but the logistics would be rather difficult.

[Ashen Lilies]

He has the ability to break multiple computers in quick succession and I assume Riot's sophisticated matching system fully compensates for this when assigning the MMR of his teams. :smallwink:


>.>

As crappy as my several computers are, at least this time is wasn't their fault (i tried logging in with both of them. multiple times). My university actually had a campus-wide network crash for 12 hours, which conveniently started at exactly the same time that game did.

That Shaco game where my one laptop was consistently crashing league and i had to swap to the other one though... still stomped. :smallcool:

[Don Julio Anejo]

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g146/Godskook/4v5pentakill-4v5proof.pnghttp://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g146/Godskook/4v5pentakill-pentaproof.png
Congrats, Kook! :smallsmile:
We require all the juicy details and a replay.

[TFT]

By the way, OP.GG is now hosting replays (http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/22v7ah/recording_any_game_and_replay_new_awesome_feature/) for a certain amount of time.

Trying it out now. I'll report back after my game and I try to play the replay.

[Antonok]

So this is rather interesting (regarding Wwarwick rework):


Warwick has one and a half buttons with meaningful decision-making associated with them. You want to ult the right person, and you may want to Q a high health champ to stay alive. But usually you just Q who you want to kill if you can and if you can't you Q whoever.
That's a pretty flat kit. Now don't get me wrong--I love playing current Warwick because he fulfills a central fantasy: the drain tank. He just doesn't do it very well. What's the reason you need to kill Warwick in a teamfight? Well, after he ulted? I guess his team-wide AS buff. That is so weak sauce it makes me sad.
Our main reason for wanting to rework the wolf is to better fulfill the drain tank fantasy. I'm gating it decently hard (you need to keep fighting dudes to get access to your heal--no more run near a minion wave and cheeky Q for a 1/5th health top up) but that means we can now put a lot more power into the perfectly played drain. On-hit WW was a sort of weird gimmicky off build (because his ult procs it) which we're now fully supporting. And finally WW gets disruption, both for his pre-6 ganks and for sustained threat in teamfights. Imagine if Volibear's fear feared champions? Yeah, that. (with numbers tuned to match)"

I get a small Underworld/Michael Corvin vibe from this.

[Dallas-Dakota]

I like this trend of bringing season 1 champions back.:smallbiggrin:

[mrcarter11]

I like this trend of bringing season 1 champions back.:smallbiggrin:

I'd love the trend more if it wasn't for the fact that the champions are constantly worse off afterwards. I understand that it isn't about power level, it's about game health, but the champions were already hardly played and now they keep making the situation worse.

[Dusk Eclipse]

I've got a question for High Bronze, low Silver players; what do you ban in ranked games? I really have no idea which champions I should ban so when I'm the one doing the banning I go with either the "safe" picks like Kassadin (for what's it's worth I haven't played ranked since before his rework and I haven't seen him much in randoms, so I'm not sure if he is sill a pick or ban).

[Antonok]

I've got a question for High Bronze, low Silver players; what do you ban in ranked games? I really have no idea which champions I should ban so when I'm the one doing the banning I go with either the "safe" picks like Kassadin (for what's it's worth I haven't played ranked since before his rework and I haven't seen him much in randoms, so I'm not sure if he is sill a pick or ban).

Kass isn't ban worthy anymore tbh. I go with people like renek, Xin (until FF gets reworked atleast), heimer (since people seem not to be able to deal with his turrets), pretty much anything considered a pub stomper.

[Anarion]

I've got a question for High Bronze, low Silver players; what do you ban in ranked games? I really have no idea which champions I should ban so when I'm the one doing the banning I go with either the "safe" picks like Kassadin (for what's it's worth I haven't played ranked since before his rework and I haven't seen him much in randoms, so I'm not sure if he is sill a pick or ban).

First off, if I'm in solo queue, I ask my team for ban requests. Some people have issues vs. certain champs and I try to help them out.

Second, some good general bans now.

Junglers: Vi, Wukong, Yi. Especially Yi until Feral Flare gets nerfed, he'll solo carry most games.
Mid: Leblanc, maybe Yasuo.
Top: Nasus, Shyvana
ADC: Caitlyn, Sivir, but honestly don't ban any ADs unless you're picking for yourself into a specific matchup
Support: Thresh, Leona, Blitzcrank.

Edit: Regarding Renekton, I don't think he's a good ban at high bronze, low silver. Most players at that level don't know how to push his advantage and will fall off and end up sucking. I'm often very pleased to see a Renek on the other team.

[thracian]

My usual playgroup almost always ends up banning Renekton because our team captain is our top lane and he just hates playing into Renekton. We also tend to ban Vayne and Katarina most games, as we have proven as a team many, many times that we just cannot deal with those champions (like, sub 20% win rate over quite a while if the enemy team has either of those champs). Leblanc, Khazix and Lulu get banned sometimes, depending on what we're playing.

As far as solo queue, LoLKing indicates that the community overwhelmingly bans jungle most games (Kha'Zix, Yi, Vi, Evelynn, Pantheon, Xin, Nocturne, Lee Sin are all in top 10 bans) with the addition of LeBlanc and Yasuo. Past the top ten, we see a couple more mids (Lulu, Nidalee, Ziggs), another jungler (Wukong) and some supports (Morgana, Thresh) with a few top laners to round out the top 20 (Ryze, Renekton, Shyvana, Jax).

Those bans changed a lot last patch, as we'd not have seen Yi, Xin and Nocturne as high as they are without Feral Flare.

FWIW, Kassadin is currently sitting with Urgot, Rengar and Gragas in the very bottom of win rates (43%), and there doesn't seem to be a huge difference in win rate across different leagues, either. Probably safe not to ban him.

EDIT: Speaking to Renekton specifically, the only time I can recall losing lane to a Renekton in the last two seasons was against a D2 toplane main when I was playing Wukong. He absolutely demolished me and snowballed the game pretty-much singlehandedly. Apart from that, Renektons have never been that scary. As a counter-point though, I went undefeated as Renekton in ranked last season, so there's that.

[Hullabaloo]

Been thinking of adding kayle or Grag to my jungling, and ran across this post (http://www.reddit.com/r/summonerschool/comments/231kx5/feral_flare_jungle_kayle/) and thought I would share.

(spoilered since its a bit of a wall of text, no actual spoilers)
So the other day I was playing a game in low gold, and I saw this kayle with a really odd build, and she pretty much solo carried from mid lane. Today I checked his lolking out and found he had amazing success (26 wins 4 loss) with jungle kayle on-hit build

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/35414309#profile

In the few days since I've played with him he has climbed a whole league playing mostly jungle kayle.

The build he normally goes with is:

machete start -> rush wriggles -> nashor's tooth -> berserker's greaves(furor) -> Zephyr -> Runaan's hurricane -> Guardian angel

Sometimes he builds bork instead of Runaan's I'm not quite sure when/why, the times that he does he doesn't necessarily play vs tanky teams.

For runes he runs AP quints, AP blues, AS reds, and MR yellows And masteries are 21/9/0 (http://imgur.com/AIlRxpQ)

I started E -> W -> Q then maxed R>E>Q>W But i'm not sure if this is how he does it.

I tried it out in a normal game (note that my normal mmr is very low, mid bronze) and destroyed. Kayle with feral flare has probably one of the fastest clear times in the game-- I out-farmed everyone and still ganked quite a few times. I think what happens is when you have E up, your feral flare procs on all targets affected hit by E, and also by the targets hit by runaan's. So feral flare hits 2 times on aoe targets and it melts them. It should also be noted that it is a hybrid build, so it is harder to itemize against this build than just a straight AP build or straight AD build.

What do you guys think about this?

Edit: Wow this post blew up, I hope it doesn't get nerfed to the ground :S


and this follow up comment
Don't have the runes for it on my smurf, but giving it a try right now. Let's see how it works. I'll give a write up about it in about 40~ minutes.

EDIT: Holy ****, I'm in love.

If you check my lolking, you will see I play a lot of Kayle this season. I honestly have not had so much fun with her as that last game.

Cons:

****ty ganks pre-6. Decent ganks at 6 since you can protect an ally, but this was a pretty big issue. Not that you are ganking a lot, but yes, sometimes showing some pressure can be worth missing a camp.

Pretty squishy. Be very careful in teamfights if they have people who can lock down one target.

Slowish first clear. It was okay, and once you had double buffs you could sustain through the initial clear until you could back and buy wriggles. After that, it all changes...

Pros:

Fastest cleartime I have ever ****ing seen. Not gonna lie, with just beserk/nashors/feral, I had 1.55 attack speed. It took 6 auto attacks to clear wraiths. After that I tried to test how fast I could take red... let's just say I pressed E and was able to take red AND wraiths BEFORE the e went on cooldown.

Due to the fast cleartime, once you get rolling, you get your items fast.

Feral Flare is AMAZING with you, but so is Runans. I have NEVER felt like that item had a place... but the synergy... Basically, runans meant that every attack, 3 BEAUTIFUL things happened. First, each auto proc'd the damage of Feral... pretty sweet. Second, each auto proc'd the HEALING on Feral... okay, sorry, but healing 150 per auto when turret diving was ****ing beautiful(since I had 2.39 attack speed, so that is 358.5 health per second). Third, your auto's PROC YOUR E 3 TIMES! I never thought of that item on her, but really, your E does some nice bonus damage with some nice splash. Now, with Runans, your E does that damage to those around the person you are attacking, not only giving the bonus damage on E but also the splash from E. I am in awe at the late game team fighting of this...

Idk. I should write more, but I am in awe. Maybe it was a one time thing, I will give it another try, but honestly I need to master this. I love Kayle mid, I love Kayle top. If this lets me Kayle jungle too? I could be the new Kayle Only guy 0.o

EDIT2: Kk. I came back after taking some water. Sorry, I am excited.

Things I would change

I wasn't running the proper runes, but since she has no penetration other then her passive, I would(and will) try it with Hybrid Pen reds, Attack Speed quints, AP per level blues and Armor/MR seals(Armor is better on seals, but you do really need MR since your only threat is being bursted. AD damage is usually sustained, so you might just be able to lifesteal through most of it. I will see).

In the mastery page, getting rid of the 3 points in CDR and shifting it to 6% magic/armor penetration. As I said, she has no penetration with this build, so I feel this will be needed. The 3 points in CDR may be nice, but you will usually have blue(unless you have a mid who needs it), so you will have 10%(w/o blue) or 30%(with blue). Also, mid-late game, blue pot is always an option here too.

[Siosilvar]

I've got a question for High Bronze, low Silver players; what do you ban in ranked games? I really have no idea which champions I should ban so when I'm the one doing the banning I go with either the "safe" picks like Kassadin (for what's it's worth I haven't played ranked since before his rework and I haven't seen him much in randoms, so I'm not sure if he is sill a pick or ban).

I'm about a tier above that target, but typical ban targets:

Insta-burst assasins: LeBlanc, Kha'zix

Overtuned bruisers: Vi, Pantheon, Wukong

Feral Flare is OP as hell: Master Yi, Nocturne (Jax, Xin Zhao, Shyvana also annoying but not priority)

Hard engage supports: Leona, Thresh, Blitzcrank

Low-priority annoyances: Yasuo, Ryze, Caitlyn

EDIT:
Been thinking of adding kayle or Grag to my jungling, and ran across this post (http://www.reddit.com/r/summonerschool/comments/231kx5/feral_flare_jungle_kayle/) and thought I would share.

-snip-

Blue is 10% CDR now. Zephyr is 10, Nashor's is 20. Though without any other AP, this might be like the one Kayle build where I recommend Wit's End over Nashor's. At that point, 5% from masteries and 10-15% from blues sounds pretty attractive to hit the 35% mark that gives E constant uptime.

If you're going to mess with the masteries, drop the Weaving ones. I don't believe on-hits proc Blade Weaving or benefit from Spell Weaving, so they're not actually that useful. Also, Enchanted Armor sucks unless you build full tank. I'd use this page or something like it instead. (http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/mastery-tree-planner#&tree1=0-2-4-0-0-3-3-0-0-1-1-3-0-0-0-0-0-3-0-1&tree2=2-0-0-2-1-3-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&tree3=0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&v=2)

EDIT2: R>Q>W>E max is usually better on Kayle, since E only gives 10 damage per hit and a rank in Q adds 50 up front and increases the slow. Of course, with crazy attack speed it might go either way.
Also, Mpen boots are better damage on Kayle than AS boots in most circumstances. Haven't done the math for this build yet but I imagine that'll still hold.

tl;dr: consider Wit's End, Mpen boots, Q max, scaling CDR blues, and better masteries

[ex cathedra]

please don't buy zephyr
kha'zix is more overtuned and more of a bruiser in his current state than panth or wukong
shyvana is still a much more potent top laner than jungler
don't ban blitzcrank
lucian and caitlyn are pretty similarly busted in terms of solo-queue ADCs, games in which they both aren't picked or banned are probably more common than they should be

[Don Julio Anejo]

I'm a little above that, so a few picks would likely be different. That said, my personal bans (keep in mind I ADC 60% of the time and support another 30, so to me having a Vi in game is worse than having a fed Leblanc).

- Vi. Permaban if I'm first pick, especially if I'm playing ADC. Her ult has almost no counterplay so it's annoying as hell.
- Kha'zix. His damage reduction and 3 casts of 2 seconds of stealth is just broken; he needs 2-3 champions to bring down if he's even slightly ahead. I like the old Kha'zix you could blow up before he even got in range.
- Nasus. This is becoming situational, but in general, this is just as much to guard against people who pick Nasus because he's OP, proceed to go ham, end up going 1-2 in kills (which is actually decent as Doge), but have maybe 150 stacks at 20 minutes. He also can't really help much with midgame teamfights since he isn't yet tanky and doesn't do enough damage until like 400+ stacks.

Other champs I sometimes consider banning:

- Thresh. I just suck against him in lane, the dude has waay too much utility, and autos hurt more than ADC's for the first few levels.
- Yasuo. He's either behind and useless, or fed and OP as hell. Same as Nasus, I'd rather have a different champ on my team that I know won't be useless.
- Yi. Feral flare broken as fck.
- Xin Zhao. Same reason. Except Xin can actually carry early game so hard, nothing else that happens has any effect on the game. At least Yi can die fast enough if CC'd, Xin is too tanky for that.

[Siosilvar]

please don't buy zephyr
kha'zix is more overtuned and more of a bruiser in his current state than panth or wukong
shyvana is still a much more potent top laner than jungler
don't ban blitzcrank
lucian and caitlyn are pretty similarly busted in terms of solo-queue ADCs, games in which they both aren't picked or banned are probably more common than they should be



zephyr is better than it looks if you're not reliant on crit, though there are almost always better options
nobody plays bruiser kha below gold
shyvana isn't really banworthy either way, but feral flare is OP and she can use it very well from the jungle
blitz is super annoying to deal with at the level mentioned
lucian can be dealt with by jinx/etc fairly reasonably, caitlyn counters the current flavors (except sivir, but nobody plays sivir in bronze)

[Don Julio Anejo]

zephyr is better than it looks if you're not reliant on crit, though there are almost always better options
nobody plays bruiser kha below gold
shyvana isn't really banworthy either way, but feral flare is OP and she can use it very well from the jungle
blitz is super annoying to deal with at the level mentioned
lucian can be dealt with by jinx/etc fairly reasonably, caitlyn counters the current flavors (except sivir, but nobody plays sivir in bronze)

Lucian can be outscaled hard by someone like Tristana, though he will almost always beat them in a 1v1. He also has little siege capability because of his 550 range.

Sivir doesn't counter Caitlyn in lane, I don't even know where people get that idea beyond using her spellshield to dodge Cait Q/collect free mana from traps. Where Sivir shines is teamfights with her Q/W, engage/disengage, and waveclear in a poke/siege scenario. Mid/lategame Sivir is also a really good splitpusher that can knock down towers in seconds (though if you're splitpushing as ADC in late game, that's a paddlin').

Don't ban Blitz, just pick Leona and stay in range for him to pull you without making it too obvious. Enjoy free Elo.

[Godskook]

I've got a question for High Bronze, low Silver players; what do you ban in ranked games? I really have no idea which champions I should ban so when I'm the one doing the banning I go with either the "safe" picks like Kassadin (for what's it's worth I haven't played ranked since before his rework and I haven't seen him much in randoms, so I'm not sure if he is sill a pick or ban).

I know I'm out of your 'target' window, but I find the best banning strategy to be simply ban what your team-mates want banned. An enemy Yi might have a 54% chance of winning, but an afk last-pick gives you a 99% chance of losing.


zephyr is better than it looks if you're not reliant on crit, though there are almost always better options

If there's always better options, then Zephyr isn't better than it looks.


Sivir doesn't counter Caitlyn in lane, I don't even know where people get that idea beyond using her spellshield to dodge Cait Q/collect free mana from traps. Where Sivir shines is teamfights with her Q/W, engage/disengage, and waveclear in a poke/siege scenario. Mid/lategame Sivir is also a really good splitpusher that can knock down towers in seconds (though if you're splitpushing as ADC in late game, that's a paddlin').

It at least used to be true earlier in Sivir's rework cycle that she could win lane against Caitlyn. The reason being that Cait is strong in the laning phase because she can push with impunity against most ADCs. Sivir is one of the few who can outshove her early, while also using spellshield to ignore some of her harass. The mana changes might've hurt the matchup too hard, idk, I haven't played it in a long while from either side.

[Anarion]

Cait vs. Sivir is fairly even imo and can depend on the supports. If the Sivir can get some good spellshields or can afford to spellshield a trap and not get screwed for it (read: Cait's support isn't Thresh or Leona) then Sivir has enough mana to keep the waves pushed out and win the lane. If Sivir goes oom and Cait can keep a good zone safely, Cait can push the lane to tower and make life very hard for Sivir.

[ex cathedra]

caitlyn beats or goes even with nearly everyone, and sivir is firmly in that first camp. spellshield shenanigans don't account for a 100 point range difference. Lucian is not unlike cait in a lot of ways, particularly that his laning is both a) obnoxiously strong and b) easy. the lucian vs jinx matchup almost certainly favors the mobile bursty champion when played between ADCs of equal skill.

[Math_Mage]

Lucian can be outscaled hard by someone like Tristana, though he will almost always beat them in a 1v1. He also has little siege capability because of his 550 range.
Lucian has good waveclear, long-range poke, a tower-pushing passive and an escape. He's really good in most push scenarios. It's only if there's lots of long-range burst/hard-engage that he's in trouble. Ziggs, Gragas, Vi. And really, I dare any ADC to siege with impunity against those champs.

[PhantomFox]

Huh, usually Renegade does this, but...

Team Newline practice in 10 min?

[Silverraptor]

So, what is a good Yasuo build? I take it static shiv and IE are the first 2 items, but what do I get after them? Also, around what time should I get a vamp scepter?

[Olinser]

Huh, usually Renegade does this, but...

Team Newline practice in 10 min?

Still in Cali. Won't be back until Sunday.

[Dusk Eclipse]

First of all, thanks guys.


Kass isn't ban worthy anymore tbh. I go with people like renek, Xin (until FF gets reworked atleast), heimer (since people seem not to be able to deal with his turrets), pretty much anything considered a pub stomper.


First off, if I'm in solo queue, I ask my team for ban requests. Some people have issues vs. certain champs and I try to help them out.

Second, some good general bans now.

Junglers: Vi, Wukong, Yi. Especially Yi until Feral Flare gets nerfed, he'll solo carry most games.
Mid: Leblanc, maybe Yasuo.
Top: Nasus, Shyvana
ADC: Caitlyn, Sivir, but honestly don't ban any ADs unless you're picking for yourself into a specific matchup
Support: Thresh, Leona, Blitzcrank.

Edit: Regarding Renekton, I don't think he's a good ban at high bronze, low silver. Most players at that level don't know how to push his advantage and will fall off and end up sucking. I'm often very pleased to see a Renek on the other team.

FWIW in your jungle list, you pretty much listed my usual go to (except Yi)


My usual playgroup almost always ends up banning Renekton because our team captain is our top lane and he just hates playing into Renekton. We also tend to ban Vayne and Katarina most games, as we have proven as a team many, many times that we just cannot deal with those champions (like, sub 20% win rate over quite a while if the enemy team has either of those champs). Leblanc, Khazix and Lulu get banned sometimes, depending on what we're playing.

As far as solo queue, LoLKing indicates that the community overwhelmingly bans jungle most games (Kha'Zix, Yi, Vi, Evelynn, Pantheon, Xin, Nocturne, Lee Sin are all in top 10 bans) with the addition of LeBlanc and Yasuo. Past the top ten, we see a couple more mids (Lulu, Nidalee, Ziggs), another jungler (Wukong) and some supports (Morgana, Thresh) with a few top laners to round out the top 20 (Ryze, Renekton, Shyvana, Jax).

Those bans changed a lot last patch, as we'd not have seen Yi, Xin and Nocturne as high as they are without Feral Flare.

FWIW, Kassadin is currently sitting with Urgot, Rengar and Gragas in the very bottom of win rates (43%), and there doesn't seem to be a huge difference in win rate across different leagues, either. Probably safe not to ban him.

EDIT: Speaking to Renekton specifically, the only time I can recall losing lane to a Renekton in the last two seasons was against a D2 toplane main when I was playing Wukong. He absolutely demolished me and snowballed the game pretty-much singlehandedly. Apart from that, Renektons have never been that scary. As a counter-point though, I went undefeated as Renekton in ranked last season, so there's that.

That is a little troubling considering I'm a jungle main and I do like most of the meta champions >_<


I'm about a tier above that target, but typical ban targets:

Insta-burst assasins: LeBlanc, Kha'zix

Overtuned bruisers: Vi, Pantheon, Wukong

Feral Flare is OP as hell: Master Yi, Nocturne (Jax, Xin Zhao, Shyvana also annoying but not priority)

Hard engage supports: Leona, Thresh, Blitzcrank

Low-priority annoyances: Yasuo, Ryze, Caitlyn



Again, some of my most used champions are mentioned :smalltongue:


I'm a little above that, so a few picks would likely be different. That said, my personal bans (keep in mind I ADC 60% of the time and support another 30, so to me having a Vi in game is worse than having a fed Leblanc).

- Vi. Permaban if I'm first pick, especially if I'm playing ADC. Her ult has almost no counterplay so it's annoying as hell.
- Kha'zix. His damage reduction and 3 casts of 2 seconds of stealth is just broken; he needs 2-3 champions to bring down if he's even slightly ahead. I like the old Kha'zix you could blow up before he even got in range.
- Nasus. This is becoming situational, but in general, this is just as much to guard against people who pick Nasus because he's OP, proceed to go ham, end up going 1-2 in kills (which is actually decent as Doge), but have maybe 150 stacks at 20 minutes. He also can't really help much with midgame teamfights since he isn't yet tanky and doesn't do enough damage until like 400+ stacks.

Other champs I sometimes consider banning:

- Thresh. I just suck against him in lane, the dude has waay too much utility, and autos hurt more than ADC's for the first few levels.
- Yasuo. He's either behind and useless, or fed and OP as hell. Same as Nasus, I'd rather have a different champ on my team that I know won't be useless.
- Yi. Feral flare broken as fck.
- Xin Zhao. Same reason. Except Xin can actually carry early game so hard, nothing else that happens has any effect on the game. At least Yi can die fast enough if CC'd, Xin is too tanky for that.

I haven't played much Xin, for some reason I thought he was more of an "AD caster" so to speak so I didn't consider Feral flame on him, perhaps I should try it sometimes.



nobody plays bruiser kha below gold
shyvana isn't really banworthy either way, but feral flare is OP and she can use it very well from the jungle
blitz is super annoying to deal with at the level mentioned
lucian can be dealt with by jinx/etc fairly reasonably, caitlyn counters the current flavors (except sivir, but nobody plays sivir in bronze)




I know I'm out of your 'target' window, but I find the best banning strategy to be simply ban what your team-mates want banned. An enemy Yi might have a 54% chance of winning, but an afk last-pick gives you a 99% chance of losing.


You are right, but sometimes people don't really say anything until there are like 2 seconds on the timer and they get mad when that happens, so I'd like to have some idea what would be a general pick ban in case nobody says anything.

[Hawkfrost000]

So, what is a good Yasuo build? I take it static shiv and IE are the first 2 items, but what do I get after them? Also, around what time should I get a vamp scepter?

Last whisper, Hydra, Bloodthirster, and a defensive item (GA, Banshees, Randuins) are all good options.

[Renegade Paladin]

Xin is just about the worst autoattacker to buy FF on, though. I mean, he can use it, but he needs the CDR from the spirit stone line too much.

[NineThePuma]

Xin is just about the worst autoattacker to buy FF on, though. I mean, he can use it, but he needs the CDR from the spirit stone line too much.

I disagree; he has the options to build 40% cdr without FF. Locket, FH, SV are all surprisingly good buys on him, and feral flare as a stand alone offensive item can compete with BotRK on a jungler, imo, especially given how much cheaper it is. The question is less if he needs cdr and more if he wants the tabi passive or the Swifties passive.

[mrcarter11]

Xin is just about the worst autoattacker to buy FF on, though. I mean, he can use it, but he needs the CDR from the spirit stone line too much.

Xin is probably one of the nicer FF junglers in my opinion. He likes it for pretty much every stage of the game.

[efdf]

So many junglers are busted that it's probably pointless to try and ban them all out.

[ex cathedra]

I disagree; he has the options to build 40% cdr without FF. Locket, FH, SV are all surprisingly good buys on him, and feral flare as a stand alone offensive item can compete with BotRK on a jungler, imo, especially given how much cheaper it is. The question is less if he needs cdr and more if he wants the tabi passive or the Swifties passive.
everyone has the option to build nearly anything. the problem is that by purchasing FF you not only aren't benefiting from xin's fairly good spirit stone itemization synergy but you're also delaying that CDR for even longer. Since you're delaying your CDR, you're also delaying everything you'd build afterwards, etc. that said, in this specific case the benefit you get from an item like feral flare likely outweighs xin's CDR synergy. that doesn't mean that his CDR synergy then outweighs the importance of building good tank items. FF+randuins is going to be better than FF+FH.

xin zhao without randuin's is a pretty sad sight imo. locket isn't really an item that junglers buy anymore, either, now that it's purely an MR/HP item (not to mention that it's a pretty bad one, at that).

I would like some clarification, though: swifties passive? really? in the vast majority of scenarios, tabi, mobi's, and mercs feel like the only right options to me. i'm fairly confident that boots of swiftness did not replace mobi boots. if anything, their new 475g pricetag makes them better for champions like xin zhao who are so very reliant on assembling a set of diverse core items in time for their midgame power spike.