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atemu1234
2014-04-19, 10:33 AM
Are there any templates that increase the subject's size category? Just curious.

Seerow
2014-04-19, 10:35 AM
Half-Ogre and Half-Minotaur are the general go-to templates to gain a size category (capping at large). Not sure if there's others.

Urpriest
2014-04-19, 10:43 AM
Half-Minotaur and Half-Ogre from Dragon Magazine do it, as does the Half-Goristro variant Half-Fiend (https://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20060630a). If you don't care about playability, Titanic from MMII raises a creature to Gargantuan. There are also several "combine two creatures" templates like Tauric and Symbiotic that give you the size of the bigger creature.

Jormengand
2014-04-19, 10:46 AM
PF has some, such as the Giant (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/templates/simple-template-giant-cr-1) simple template and Jotunblood Giant (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/templates/jotunblood-giant-template) template.

ShurikVch
2014-04-19, 10:53 AM
Chimeric give size of Chimera
Kaiju from Dragon #289
Also, some templates which add HD, such as Beast of Xvim, Web Mummy or Zombie, can accidentally hit the mark where base creature change size category

Urpriest
2014-04-19, 11:07 AM
Chimeric give size of Chimera
Kaiju from Dragon #289
Also, some templates which add HD, such as Beast of Xvim, Web Mummy or Zombie, can accidentally hit the mark where base creature change size category

No they can't. Bonus HD are not the same as HD advancement, otherwise you wouldn't be able to add more HD than a creature's advancement line.

ShurikVch
2014-04-19, 11:36 AM
No they can't. Bonus HD are not the same as HD advancement, otherwise you wouldn't be able to add more HD than a creature's advancement line.I roll a Will save to disbelieve
RAW, plz

Urpriest
2014-04-19, 12:08 PM
I roll a Will save to disbelieve
RAW, plz

Why? These are the monster rules we're talking about, the proper way to approach them is consistency, not RAW. And consistency states that Zombie doubles the creature's HD, irrespective of its normal advancement line.

ShurikVch
2014-04-19, 12:19 PM
Why? These are the monster rules we're talking about, the proper way to approach them is consistency, not RAW. And consistency states that Zombie doubles the creature's HD, irrespective of its normal advancement line.OK, if it's about consistency, I can agree - all undead templates shouldn't increase size of base creature
But what's about Beast of Xvim or Warbeast?
Why creatures with this template can't be notably bigger than regular specimen?

Urpriest
2014-04-19, 01:36 PM
OK, if it's about consistency, I can agree - all undead templates shouldn't increase size of base creature
But what's about Beast of Xvim or Warbeast?
Why creatures with this template can't be notably bigger than regular specimen?

Because you can apply the template to creatures without an advancement line, or to add more HD than the advancement line allows you to add.

Afgncaap5
2014-04-19, 02:39 PM
It's not what you're asking for, but I think a shout-out to the Dungeonbred Template should be included. It actually makes a creature *smaller*, but it retains a few of its large bonuses, IIRC. It's in Dungeonscape. I used it once to make a Colossal Scorpion merely Gargantuan. Shattergem, The Builder's Bane as it was called by the gnomes who managed to imprison it.

Larkas
2014-04-19, 08:42 PM
There's also the Dire Creature (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/templates/dire-creature-cr-2-tohc) template from the Tome of Horrors. IIRC, this PF version is identical to the 3.5 one.