Does a Dvati pair make one skill check or two?

[Banaticus]

Does a Dvati pair make one skill check or two, for Spot for instance?

[DarkSonic1337]

It depends on the skill check. If it's something mental (such as sense motive, knowledge checks, spellcraft, ect), then they'd only get one check. But if it's a physical check (listen, spot, hide, move silently, ect) then they'd get two checks...because they have two bodies.

[NoACWarrior]

It depends on the skill check. If it's something mental (such as sense motive, knowledge checks, spellcraft, ect), then they'd only get one check. But if it's a physical check (listen, spot, hide, move silently, ect) then they'd get two checks...because they have two bodies.

You'd also need to do double the checks to get both of them to do the action properly, such as both of them climbing up a tree.

[DarkSonic1337]

They can also help each other on checks and get a larger bonus for doing so (+4 per 10 instead of +2 per 10)

[Alex12]

They can also help each other on checks and get a larger bonus for doing so (+4 per 10 instead of +2 per 10)

Regrettably not true, at least not without some entirely reasonable houseruling.

"If a twin uses the aid another action to help his twin, he grants an additional +2 bonus (for a total of +4) on attack rolls or to Armor Class."
Emphasis mine.

You can still do some crazy stuff with them, though. That Shadow Hand stance that makes it so you count as flanking someone as long as both you and a buddy are adjacent to him works fantastically when you're getting the increased bonuses from both flanking and aid another.

[NoACWarrior]

Regrettably not true, at least not without some entirely reasonable houseruling.

"If a twin uses the aid another action to help his twin, he grants an additional +2 bonus (for a total of +4) on attack rolls or to Armor Class."
Emphasis mine.

You can still do some crazy stuff with them, though. That Shadow Hand stance that makes it so you count as flanking someone as long as both you and a buddy are adjacent to him works fantastically when you're getting the increased bonuses from both flanking and aid another.

Does this also work for the improved flanking feats in PHB2?
This would make for an awesome jumping rouge lockdown artist.

[Alex12]

Does this also work for the improved flanking feats in PHB2?
This would make for an awesome jumping rouge lockdown artist.

I see no reason it wouldn't.
Dvati are pretty much the perfect chassis for a flanking build.

[malonkey1]

I see no reason it wouldn't.
Dvati are pretty much the perfect chassis for a flanking build.

Yes. These fellows far from "flunked" flank.

[Alex12]

Yes. These fellows far from "flunked" flank.

Hilariously, their favored class really isn't the class they're best at. They don't really have anything that works really well with Bard, and the way they cast spells means that casters are suboptimal. (How often do you see that sentence typed out on this site?)
They make great rogues and other sneak attackers, and I speak from personal experience that they make fantastic Shadow Hand swordsages.

[malonkey1]

Hilariously, their favored class really isn't the class they're best at. They don't really have anything that works really well with Bard, and the way they cast spells means that casters are suboptimal. (How often do you see that sentence typed out on this site?)
They make great rogues and other sneak attackers, and I speak from personal experience that they make fantastic Shadow Hand swordsages.

Yeah. I was playing a 3.P Gestalt game (my DM allowed each Dvati twin to be one side of the gestalt), so I had a Bard/Warblade/Jade Phoenix Mage//Bard/Rogue/Arcane Trickster. It worked pretty darn well.

[Banaticus]

If a twin uses the aid another action to help his twin, he grants an additional +2 bonus (for a total of +4) on attack rolls or to Armor Class.
Why would a Dvati pair want one to aid another on attacks (presuming that the original attack has a decent chance of hitting)? Is a +4 really worth getting to roll your attack again (and taking both for double damage if they both hit)?

[malonkey1]

Why would a Dvati pair want one to aid another on attacks (presuming that the original attack has a decent chance of hitting)? Is a +4 really worth getting to roll your attack again (and taking both for double damage if they both hit)?

It is for ray spells, which you only get one attack with either way.

[Alex12]

Why would a Dvati pair want one to aid another on attacks (presuming that the original attack has a decent chance of hitting)? Is a +4 really worth getting to roll your attack again (and taking both for double damage if they both hit)?


It is for ray spells, which you only get one attack with either way.

Also great if you're playing an initiator, and you've got just one big strike left before you need to recharge them, or otherwise are using a maneuver you really can't afford to have miss (say one of the Crusader healing strikes to bring an ally back into positives)