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CrazyYanmega
2014-04-27, 03:01 PM
What is the cheesiest build ever? I mean 10 ft. tall fondue tower cheese.

Lv 10 and Lv 20 versions, please.

nedz
2014-04-27, 03:04 PM
Level 1 Paladin

OldTrees1
2014-04-27, 03:08 PM
Level 1 Paladin

Nah, that is merely the most powerful. We can still make it cheesier.

Loredrake White Dragonspawn Dragonwrought Kobold Paladin 1

ImperatorV
2014-04-27, 03:13 PM
Nah, that is merely the most powerful. We can still make it cheesier.

Loredrake White Dragonspawn Dragonwrought Kobold Paladin 1

Still not the cheesiest. Add Arctic magic-blooded and unseelie fey.

Acanous
2014-04-27, 03:25 PM
In all truthiness, probably a Grey Elf Elven Generalist Wizard into Incantatrix/Initiate of the Sevenfold Veil.

bekeleven
2014-04-27, 03:49 PM
Elven artificer 4 with WBL?

Or, I think OP is looking for something closer to Cleric 3/Human Paragon 3/Shadow Adept 1/Ruathar 3/Contemplative 1/Divine Disciple 4/Contemplative +5.

Alternatively, anyone can afford a candle of invocation by level 6 or so...

Flickerdart
2014-04-27, 03:50 PM
Still not the cheesiest. Add Arctic magic-blooded and unseelie fey.
Don't forget the ladder to 9th level spells.

bekeleven
2014-04-27, 03:52 PM
Don't forget the ladder to 9th level spells.

Earth Spell Utyugh/Heroic Shuffle doesn't show up on a build stub. Or do you suggest a different method?

Kazudo
2014-04-27, 03:54 PM
Then you get a really big bowl of fondue, PAO it into a (probably not alive) copy of the character, use the Haunt Shift trick to get into its mind. Then, have your trusty cohort destroy the character's actual body, ending PAO. The character (through the Psionic Sandwich trick) is now the cheesiest character around.

Erik Vale
2014-04-27, 03:58 PM
I thought the cheesiest build ever was a fallen level 1 paladin?
Or does he use his powers to un-fall?

Other than that Wizard 5/UM 9/WW 1/SoS 5 [At least, I think it's Spellguard of silvery moon], with some of the UM levels taken at the end.

EisenKreutzer
2014-04-27, 04:33 PM
Wizard 20.

*.*.*.*
2014-04-27, 05:00 PM
Pun-Pun

Nothing else gets in the vicinity of its cheese, except maybe the Omnificer

TrueJordan
2014-04-27, 05:27 PM
Erudite spell-to-power variant? Yeah.

Humble Master
2014-04-27, 05:52 PM
Probably Pun-Pun takes the cake for cheese. I mean, it uses one trick to completely and utterly break every aspect of the rules. Have a giggle at Pun-Pun's "stats" here. (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=2705.0)

Other than that Omnificer, Chicken Infested Commoner, Emerald Legion or Tauric Hulking Hurler.

Ansem
2014-04-27, 07:10 PM
Become a Dragon PC (don't matter what, as long as it's Dragon), arrange deal with the Cleric to bestow curse on you, failing your save and advance age categories.

OldTrees1
2014-04-27, 10:07 PM
Probably Pun-Pun takes the cake for cheese. I mean, it uses one trick to completely and utterly break every aspect of the rules. Have a giggle at Pun-Pun's "stats" here. (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=2705.0)

Other than that Omnificer, Chicken Infested Commoner, Emerald Legion or Tauric Hulking Hurler.

Even the greatest single piece of cheese (Pun Pun) can be made cheesier by adding more cheese. Pun Pun is merely the starting point since the goal is cheese not power.

heavyfuel
2014-04-28, 10:38 AM
Why is everyone saying Pally 1 is the cheesiest? I'm kinda of new so if it's a joke I suppose it went right over my head haha.

Anyway... Isn't Pun-Pun THE cheesiest, most raw-abusing build?

TrueJordan
2014-04-28, 10:41 AM
Why is everyone saying Pally 1 is the cheesiest? I'm kinda of new so if it's a joke I suppose it went right over my head haha.

Anyway... Isn't Pun-Pun THE cheesiest, most raw-abusing build?

Yeah, but you can become Pun-Pun at level 1 by making him a paladin. Therein lies the joke.

Dusk Eclipse
2014-04-28, 10:44 AM
Eh Paladin is just the easiest way to ascent at level 1, but strictly speaking any lawful good character (who can hit a K:religion DC 25) at level 1 can become Pun-Pun, heck you don't even need to be a kobold (at first) to start the ritual.

Paladin is preferred because by RAW Pazuzu won't mess with the Wish if a Paladin asks it.

Zombulian
2014-04-28, 10:45 AM
Anyway... Isn't Pun-Pun THE cheesiest, most raw-abusing build?

Pretty much. But it does work off of in game stuff instead of just an abusive build. I mean, you have to have a DM who is just chill with (at least in the example given in the thread) a Lawful Good Kobold calling on Pazuzu.

nedz
2014-04-28, 11:35 AM
Why is everyone saying Pally 1 is the cheesiest? I'm kinda of new so if it's a joke I suppose it went right over my head haha.

Anyway... Isn't Pun-Pun THE cheesiest, most raw-abusing build?


Yeah, but you can become Pun-Pun at level 1 by making him a paladin. Therein lies the joke.

this, Paladin 1 (in this context) is shorthand for Pun Pun.

ericgrau
2014-04-28, 11:41 AM
Everyone is assuming cheese means brokenness or power. You'll have to define what you mean if you want something else. Silliness perhaps?

ArqArturo
2014-04-28, 12:43 PM
Everyone is assuming cheese means brokenness or power. You'll have to define what you mean if you want something else. Silliness perhaps?

Gray Elf Artificer with optimized Craft (Basket-weaving) skill checks.