Squire (the Feat)

[Valdras]

With this feat Squire (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/squire), it says that it "A squire can only take levels in a class that grants proficiency with all martial weapons as a class feature"

This means most of the classes right... Well, Ranger, Paladin, Fighter, Barbarian, Cavalier and Gunslinger?

And probably a few more with Archetypes factored in.

The reason I'm asking, is in our Gnome only Kingmaker, My Oradin of Erastil is thinking of recruiting some help, and I am working with my DM to say what I'm looking for, and he will tell me if it was available or not.

I'm thinking fluff wise as I'm going to be getting a hunter/trapper, maybe a ranger or a Divine Hunter Paladin, I'm looking for ranged support basically, and someone that will help in the kingdom.

Any suggestions?

[Spore]

What is your group composed of? I read your own suggestion as "we really need a skill monkey/trap monkey/ranged character". Depending on your skill needs I would go Ranger, Divine Hunter Paladin or Cavalier.

[grarrrg]

This means most of the classes right... Well, Ranger, Paladin, Fighter, Barbarian, Cavalier and Gunslinger?

And probably a few more with Archetypes factored in.

Anything with Full Bab, and the Magus.
I'm not sure if there are any archetypes that give other classes all Martials. I'm leaning towards 'no', but there is probably one just to prove me wrong.


I'm thinking fluff wise as I'm going to be getting a hunter/trapper, maybe a ranger or a Divine Hunter Paladin, I'm looking for ranged support basically, and someone that will help in the kingdom.

Any suggestions?

Ranged support mostly rules out Magus and Barbarian, while there are builds for it, they require more optimizing.
If you want out of combat help that mostly means skills (cause you aren't getting much for spells). This eliminates Paladin and Fighter (excepting Lore Warden Fighter, or Tactician Fighter).
Overall, I'd probably lean towards Ranger, although if the Squire needs to be a Gnome too, then Paladin gets a slight bump due to CHA synergy.

[Valdras]

The squire looks like he will be a Skinwalker (Werebear-kin).

In the party we have a Gnome Cavalier (Emissary) on a wolf, A druid (normal) with a tiger and my Gnome Paladin (hospitaler/warrior of holy light).

He can go melee as well. I like the idea of a Magus one actually.

Any good Archetypes for a Magus playing support? he will always be 3-2 levels being us.

[Serafina]

First, there is also the Torchbearer (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/torchbearer) feat, which has a two-higher level requirement but allows Alchemist, Bard, Fighter, Ranger and Rogue as classes for your companion.

Rogues have obvious potential as skillmonkeys, but an Alchemist with the Cryptbreaker Archetype is also very good at trapfinding.

Second, the Sohei Monk-Archetype (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/monk/archetypes/paizo---monk-archetypes/sohei) gains all martial weapons and thus qualifies as a squire.

As for Magus Archetypes, depends on what you want to do.
Bladebound (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/magus/archetypes/paizo---magus-archetypes/bladebound) is great because it gives a magic weapon without any GP-cost.
Generally, the Hexcrafter (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/magus/archetypes/paizo---magus-archetypes/hexcrafter) archetype is great because it can grab witch hexes, some of which are good for support.
The Myrmidarch (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/magus/archetypes/paizo---magus-archetypes/myrmidarch) can use Spellstrike (the Magus main feature) with ranged weapons and gains fighter weapon/armor training at the cost of spellcasting.
A Soul Forger (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/magus/archetypes/paizo---magus-archetypes/soul-forger) would be great as a higher-level squire, gaining bonuses to item crafting and being able to restore destroyed magic items (!), thus providing a typical squire-service.

[CraziFuzzy]

As for Magus Archetypes, depends on what you want to do.
Bladebound (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/magus/archetypes/paizo---magus-archetypes/bladebound) is great because it gives a magic weapon without any GP-cost.
Generally, the Hexcrafter (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/magus/archetypes/paizo---magus-archetypes/hexcrafter) archetype is great because it can grab witch hexes, some of which are good for support.
The Myrmidarch (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/magus/archetypes/paizo---magus-archetypes/myrmidarch) can use Spellstrike (the Magus main feature) with ranged weapons and gains fighter weapon/armor training at the cost of spellcasting.
A Soul Forger (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/magus/archetypes/paizo---magus-archetypes/soul-forger) would be great as a higher-level squire, gaining bonuses to item crafting and being able to restore destroyed magic items (!), thus providing a typical squire-service.

I am playing a Soul Forger Magus and thought about taking Squire at 3rd level to add some ranged help. For RP reasons, it made sense to me to recruit a Magus, but there just isn't a viable ranged magus option. The Myrmidarch is great as the PC, but as a squire, it's pretty useless. Ranged Spellstrike isn't available until 4th level, which means the PC is at least 7th, and the feat, by then, is already converting into full Leadership, meaning any class is available. The only real option for ranged support from the squire feat, ends up being a fighter or ranger - for RP reasons, I feel it incorrect to pair a ranger with him, which boils it down to fighter. There is the archer archetype, but as with the myrmidarch, nothing really special from the archetype until higher levels, so really no different in squire levels than just a base fighter, with a series of ranged weapon feats.

What I will likely plan on doing, is building a ranged based fighter to work as my squire. Then, as I and he gain levels, the progression might be such (if we last that long):


Me Him
Magus 1
Magus 2
Magus 3 Squire: Fighter (Archer) 1
Magus 4 Squire: Fighter (Archer) 1
Magus 5 Squire: Fighter (Archer) 2
Magus 6 Squire: Fighter (Archer) 3
Magus 7 Squire: Fighter (Archer) 4 -> Cohort: Fighter (Archer) 5 (after graduation)
Magus 8 Cohort: Fighter (Archer) 5/Wizard (Foresight) 1
Magus 9 Cohort: Fighter (Archer) 5/Wizard (Foresight) 2
Magus 10 Cohort: Fighter (Archer) 5/Wizard (Foresight) 2/Arcane Archer 1
Magus 11 Cohort: Fighter (Archer) 5/Wizard (Foresight) 2/Arcane Archer 2
and so on...

[CraziFuzzy]

Sadly, the above never happened, as the party experienced party death (no, not TPK of the characters - death of the interest from the rest of the party in the party itself - depressing). That said, I feel a real desire to go this path again, and am very pleased at the looks of the new Eldritch Archer archetype. Looks like it would make a VERY competent ranged support squire.

[Kurald Galain]

I am playing a Soul Forger Magus and thought about taking Squire at 3rd level to add some ranged help. For RP reasons, it made sense to me to recruit a Magus, but there just isn't a viable ranged magus option.
You can be a decent thrown Magus via Card Caster; also, a Magus has some pretty good ranged spells on his list.


The Myrmidarch (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/magus/archetypes/paizo---magus-archetypes/myrmidarch) can use Spellstrike (the Magus main feature) with ranged weapons and gains fighter weapon/armor training at the cost of spellcasting.
Sadly, the myrm can only attach a spell to an arrow if the spell was ranged in the first place, which pretty much defies the point. However, a recent splatbook offers the Eldritch Archer, which is much better.

[Sayt]

There's a Magus archetype in Heroes of the Streets which has ranged spellstrike AND ranged spell combat from low level, unfortunately It's not on the SRD yet.

[CraziFuzzy]

However, a recent splatbook offers the Eldritch Archer, which is much better.


There's a Magus archetype in Heroes of the Streets which has ranged spellstrike AND ranged spell combat from low level, unfortunately It's not on the SRD yet.

Yeah... that's what I said.. :-/