Puzzle & Dragons 5: Discussion Descended! – Mythical

[SiuiS]

Welcome to the Playground's fifth iteration thread for the popular mobile app game, Puzzle & Dragons!
Here we gather to discuss, praise, complain about, and generally just natter on for this fun and addictive app game.

The first step is to point all new players to the Beginner's Guide on the padWiki (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/New_Players'_Guide). Our very own Obryn operates there, so give him a heads up if you're finding errors!
We also have a linked guide to using row enhancement awoken skills! (http://puzzleanddragonsforum.com/showthread.php?tid=21741)


What is Puzzle & Dragons?

A Free-to-Play match-three game with surprising depth! The puzzle occupies the lower half of the screen, and the combinations you form power your team on the upper half of the screen in battle. Part pokemon, part bejeweled, part M:tG, all crack, this game is easy to learn, difficult to master and very well put together. Unlike many games of this kind, it defies genre by going for both depth and complexity while maintaining ease of pick up.


What, seriously?

Yup! While at it's surface, the game is basically any other puzzle game ever, the math behind damage output, the dungeon design, the team composition component and metagame, and the uniquely free-wheeling capacity of the puzzle make Puzzle and Dragons a stand-out despite it's terrible app graphic.

SO what do I need to know to get started?

First, the game itself! PAD, P&D or puzzle and dragons should all be sufficient searches to download it. It operates on Android and iOS devices, with mixed results on running it elsewhere.
Second, the beginner's guide will help a lot. The basic Idea is that you get one very fast freebie pull on the game's real lure, the Rare Egg Machine, and a good pull here can save you a lot of frustration and also make the game much more fun. It's suggested that after you run the game a bit and get comfortable playing it, you "reroll"; uninstall and reinstall the application, run through the tutorial again, and do the free pull again, until you snag a keeper. This is not half as bad as it sounds; I think our worst in-thread example took eight pulls to get a good one, and that was with handicap!
Third, friends. When entering a level, you can bring a friend with you and their leader joins your team. Coordinating Your friend's list with your needs and available monsters is a good part of the metagame.
Fourth, be stingy with stones! Magic stones are the in-app-purchase (IAP) resource, and while you get them for free pretty quickly early on, you'll regret being too free with their use. The three rules of magic stones are 1. Never pull the REM outside of a godfest, 2. You should have two monster boxes for every rank you have, and 3. it's not worth a stone to continue in a dungeon or refill your stamina until you have at least 100 stamina.




Puzzle & Dragon GitP Friends List


http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131225192447/pad/images/1/17/999i.pngObryn 357,549,260 (dwarfs@PG)


https://www.padherder.com/static/img/monsters/60x60/652.843eb22e0319.png
Freyr, Blazing Swordsman

Loki, the Finisher
Divine Flowers, Da & Xiao Qiao
Free Style; Taking Requests!


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Kirin of the Sacred Gleam, Sakuya
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Sanctuary Guardian Archangel
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Keeper of the Sacred Texts Metatron
https://www.padherder.com/static/img/monsters/60x60/693.880dc568406a.png
Noble Wolf King Cu Chulain








https://www.padherder.com/static/img/monsters/60x60/995.6b1c37199aa0.png
Flame Deity Falcon Horus
https://www.padherder.com/static/img/monsters/60x60/693.880dc568406a.png
Noble Wolf King, Cu Chulain
Voice of God, Metatron
Idun & Idunna


Awoken Odin
Ancient Dragon Knight Zeal
Ancient Dragon Knight Voice





Starwulf
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130829165449/pad/images/c/c8/363i.png

319,762,282





SiuiS
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140306230827/pad/images/9/94/1217i.png
307,676,270



White Hot Dancing Goddess,
Parvati
Vengeful Hero,
Perseus
Graceful Rose,
Valkyrie


Batman + Batarang
Soul Guardian of Byakko,
Haku
Archduke Vampire Lord








Rebel Seraph,
Lucifer
Flame Falcon Deity,
Horus
Divine Flowers,
Da & Xiao Qiao


Kirin of Sacred Gleam,
Sakuya
Awoken Zeus Olympios





Levictus
http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140306230826/pad/images/3/3a/1216i.png
367,459,299





Erloas
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140326193750/pad/images/3/3e/1118i.png
325,699,229

















* Loreas (erloas 2nd): 395-991-230
Karin Cu Chu, and Artemis


http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130331215700/pad/images/f/f1/369i.png Tyckspoon 305,397,237
Freyr, D/D Batman, Horus, Karin, L/D Venus


http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131218014814/pad/images/7/77/995i.png Jasmine: 301,790,222
Horus, Lucifer (descends), Blue Noel (super kings), working on Valk, Goemon


http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131210231115/pad/images/c/c7/754i.png DiegoHavoc 376,879,256
Byakko/Haku, Lucifer, Horus, Sundragon Sol Pterados (For RK on Tuesdays), Robin (Weekend dungeon)


http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131210231114/pad/images/e/e4/750i.png Aramul: 380.397.272
Genbu/Meimei, ADK-Z, DL Vamp


eric(Aramul) 314.795.270
Byakko/Haku, DL Vamp, Awoken GrOdin


Kauai 364,995,253
Byakku, Persephone, Pompompurin, Strawberry Dragon


Blade 7: My friend ID: 387 372 268 Main lead: D/D Batman Other leads D/W Batman Kushinada D/D Yomi D/W Vampire


Marade: F/L Horus


Julajimus: 386,096,292


Firedaemon33: 390,807,310 Baal, Dark Dragon Knight


Winterfate: 367,402,301 Haku


Celesyne: 375,280,271 FireDragon Grand Tyrannos, Horus, Enchantress of the Sea Siren, GrOdin, Goddess of the Rice Fields, Kushinada, ADK


Klaatu B. Nikto: 336 576 284 (KBN@GitP)
Awoken GrOdin, Soul Guardian Byakko, Fire Serpent Hino


Soepvork: 333,581,245


Jurai: ###,###,###



F/L Horus: https://www.padherder.com/static/img/monsters/60x60/995.6b1c37199aa0.png
CLM echidna: https://www.padherder.com/static/img/monsters/60x60/1099.9c984a4f2926.png
Ronia: https://www.padherder.com/static/img/monsters/60x60/912.b3233f06e7b9.png
F/F horus: https://www.padherder.com/static/img/monsters/60x60/994.46935f5087aa.png
healer isis: https://www.padherder.com/static/img/monsters/60x60/996.4bbe7e2bcd7f.png
Bastet: https://www.padherder.com/static/img/monsters/60x60/888.6f7029c7cb95.png
Kushi: https://www.padherder.com/static/img/monsters/60x60/888.6f7029c7cb95.png
Perseus: https://www.padherder.com/static/img/monsters/60x60/1070.061d84abaa19.png
G/R parvati: https://www.padherder.com/static/img/monsters/60x60/1116.0fccfece29e1.png
LL zeus: https://www.padherder.com/static/img/monsters/60x60/917.e909972bccf8.png
DQXQ: https://www.padherder.com/static/img/monsters/60x60/1238.e103e8936cde.png
LB meta: https://www.padherder.com/static/img/monsters/60x60/1217.f95dbe0d3241.png
LL Sakuya: https://www.padherder.com/static/img/monsters/60x60/1218.6e2e6f6dfb70.png
LL Ra: https://www.padherder.com/static/img/monsters/60x60/999.bc5c406709de.png
LL Archangel: https://www.padherder.com/static/img/monsters/60x60/1104.5410d88c34c3.png
LL Meta: https://www.padherder.com/static/img/monsters/60x60/641.596c28358a8a.png
Haku: https://www.padherder.com/static/img/monsters/60x60/754.968a6ee46dda.png
DL luci: https://www.padherder.com/static/img/monsters/60x60/629.1662d842ef00.png
DB luci: https://www.padherder.com/static/img/monsters/60x60/1216.5b43b5d99469.png
DD Lilith: https://www.padherder.com/static/img/monsters/60x60/1106.7ab22c71941e.png
DD Loki: https://www.padherder.com/static/img/monsters/60x60/656.5d04ecc2a3dc.png

[obryn]

Awesome job on the OP, SiuiS!!

[Soepvork]

This is not half as bad as it sounds; I think our worst in-thread example took eight pulls to get a good one, and that was with handicap!

I had to restart fifteen times. Did end up hitting the jackpot though :) (level 30 Flame Deity Horus), even if I couldn't afford his team cost for most of the early levels.

[Beacon of Chaos]

I hope I have enough stamina to take on this thread. :smallbiggrin:

Sorry, slighty typo in the title: Diacussion

Updated info:

DiegoHavoc (Diego@GitP) 376,879,256
Byakko/Haku, Lucifer, Horus, Robin, Cu Chulain, Valkyrie, D/L Yomi

[Marade]

Moar info! (The OP is looking great, btw!)

Leaders user, in order of appearance :

F/L Horus - max lvl, fully awoken
R. Sonia - max lvl, fully awoken
Ult L. Meta - max lvl, fully awoken

User id in my signature!

[SiuiS]

I hope I have enough stamina to take on this thread. :smallbiggrin:

Sorry, slighty typo in the title: Diacussion

I don't know what you're talking about <_< >_> <_<


Updated info:

DiegoHavoc (Diego@GitP) 376,879,256
Byakko/Haku, Lucifer, Horus, Robin, Cu Chulain, Valkyrie, D/L Yomi


Moar info! (The OP is looking great, btw!)

Leaders user, in order of appearance :

F/L Horus - max lvl, fully awoken
R. Sonia - max lvl, fully awoken
Ult L. Meta - max lvl, fully awoken

User id in my signature!

Rock on. I'll jump around on that soon. I have some code saved on phone but some things will be computer only.

[Fax Celestis]

Woo, my title got used!

EDIT: PS I PMed you my leaderinfo, SiuiS.

[Jurai]

Jurai, 324406398, Horus, Icedragon Plesios.

Merry XMas.

[Soepvork]

hm... Hera tomorrow... Think I'll try to pick up a couple for skillups/awakenings since I have nothing urgent to do with my stamina tomorrow.

Last time I used this team:
Ghostring/GrOdin leaders, max skilled Siren, Echidna, Rainbow keeper, and (near max skilled) Hellray Harpie demon as subs. The dungeon was doable, but very slow going. Also, just having one heartmaker proved a bit nerf wrecking.

For tomorrow, I considering replacing Ghostring for a Drawn Joker for an extra heartmaker (and bonus water resists for the trash waves). I want to keep Siren (heartmaker), Echidna (delay) and the Harpie demon (5 turn cooldown 'spike' damage for the trash waves) on my team, which means the only flexible spot is the Rainbow keeper one.

At the moments, I am thinking to replace him with either AB Bluebird Blues (active skill guarantees ~8000 per round, also useful for trash waves), Hera (Gravity at a 30 turn cooldown, more HP and ATK to get through the trash waves) or Kirin (mini gravity at a 15 turn cooldown, more HP and ATK to get through the trash waves).

Thoughts? Suggestions? Unrelated ramblings?

[obryn]

hm... Hera tomorrow... Think I'll try to pick up a couple for skillups/awakenings since I have nothing urgent to do with my stamina tomorrow.

Last time I used this team:
Ghostring/GrOdin leaders, max skilled Siren, Echidna, Rainbow keeper, and (near max skilled) Hellray Harpie demon as subs. The dungeon was doable, but very slow going. Also, just having one heartmaker proved a bit nerf wrecking.

For tomorrow, I considering replacing Ghostring for a Drawn Joker for an extra heartmaker (and bonus water resists for the trash waves). I want to keep Siren (heartmaker), Echidna (delay) and the Harpie demon (5 turn cooldown 'spike' damage for the trash waves) on my team, which means the only flexible spot is the Rainbow keeper one.

At the moments, I am thinking to replace him with either AB Bluebird Blues (active skill guarantees ~8000 per round, also useful for trash waves), Hera (Gravity at a 30 turn cooldown, more HP and ATK to get through the trash waves) or Kirin (mini gravity at a 15 turn cooldown, more HP and ATK to get through the trash waves). Thoughts or other suggestions?
Just remember that any non-spike-damage team needs a way to deal with Neptune and with Hades. Ghostring is a good leader for gimmick clears of Hera because he packs both Dark resist and Poison.

AB Bluebird Blues will do fine in that capacity.

Honestly, if you have Kirin and can manage, just run Kirin/Kirin. She's more than capable of wiping the floor with that dungeon, easily one-shotting both Neptune and Hades without any Active skills.

[Jurai]

My best are Horus, Icedragon Plesios, Flame Armor Ogre, Black Baron, Aurora Dragon, and Bubble Chimera. Everything else is low level trash or evo mats.

[Fax Celestis]

These new tamas are def. going into awakening my Bastet. The 20% poison resist seems pretty useless (for now, anyway), but the extra half second on moving orbs? Man, I would flub so many fewer moves.

[Jurai]

Run Bastet more. She's awesome.

[Soepvork]

Just remember that any non-spike-damage team needs a way to deal with Neptune and with Hades. Ghostring is a good leader for gimmick clears of Hera because he packs both Dark resist and Poison.

AB Bluebird Blues will do fine in that capacity.

Honestly, if you have Kirin and can manage, just run Kirin/Kirin. She's more than capable of wiping the floor with that dungeon, easily one-shotting both Neptune and Hades without any Active skills.

Thanks Obryn, I had thought about Neptune, and it basically boils down to AB Bluebird Blues' poison (8200 per turn) or (mini)gravity + grugnir (diminishing returns).

As for Kirin/Kirin, I have never tried that, and I am not sure I feel comfortable trying to hit four specific combos each round. I was considering trying Horus(F/F)/Horus(F/L), but not (probably F/F Horus, Kirin, TDD, Echidna, Hera or D/D Batman, F/L Horus), but I don't like that fact that that will just about have enough HP to take one Hera hit when it comes down to it. Not sure if a 16x multiplier is sufficient. Might still give it a go tomorrow as a run with a Horus/Horus team will be quick either way :P

EDIT: Oh, apparently Neptune only has 44k hp... that makes the blue birds a lot more attractive. Thought he had a lot more, probably because last time it took a while due to the weak ghostring's poison.

[Fax Celestis]

I am, currently. Coupling Bastet with DQXQ is derishus. Basically if you trigger one, you trigger both, and you're looking at a x10 multiplier (more once I uvo Bastet. CURSE YOU DUBMYTHS).

[obryn]

Thanks Obryn, I had thought about Neptune, and it basically boils down to AB Bluebird Blues' poison (8200 per turn) or (mini)gravity + grugnir.

As for Kirin/Kirin, I have never tried that, and I am not sure I feel comfortable trying to hit four specific combos each round. I was considering trying Horus(F/F)/Horus(F/L), but not (probably F/F Horus, Kirin, TDD, Echidna, Hera or D/D Batman, F/L Horus), but I don't like that fact that that will just about have enough HP to take one Hera hit when it comes down to it. Not sure if the 16x multiplier is sufficient. Might still give it a go tomorrow as a run with a Horus/Horus team will be quick either way :P
x16 should be plenty if you have at least one green-primary sub with decent attack. I routinely burn Neptune to the ground with my x9 cuchu team every weekend, no Woodsie needed.

1,000 x 16 x 1.75 (minimum for Horus 4x) = 28k for starters with a barebones minimum Horus combo. You need to hit at least 36k green damage to crack his defense, but ideally want to push that to 58k to one-shot him. This is pretty easily managed by just clearing two green rows - at a minimum, this gives you 1,000 x 16 x 2 x 2 (for 5 combos instead of 4), or 64k. If you have Cuchu as a sub, this should be fairly trivial. :smallsmile:

[Klaatu B. Nikto]

SiuiS,

Could you add Tsuku Yomi to my critters? I finally evo'd her and burned 4 Tamadras to wake her up. It'll be awhile before I can get an angelit tho. :(

[Soepvork]

I forgot. I had planned to bring TDD along for Neptune(that's what i normally do in the weekend), but I won't have time to charge his skill :smalltongue: I don't have a CuChu, so that will have to my mid-leveled Artemis. I might even be able to stall enough turns along the way to charge her orb changing skill before Neptune. What worries me more is to be able to hit Hera for 2.5 M damage before she hits me twice (5-ish turns if I manage to charge my (unskilled) Echidna before reaching here).

(Sidenote: I wish Scarlet Snake Princess would come around more often for farming skill-ups)

Oh well, I'll see what I feel like tomorrow.

[SiuiS]

Rah. That's as much as I can format today. @.@

Jurai, here is a bigger Horus for you~
http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/book/491.png

[Fax Celestis]

Rah.

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131225192447/pad/images/1/17/999i.png

[Larkas]

Rah. That's as much as I can format today. @.@

Jurai, here is a bigger Horus for you~
http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/book/491.png

Hey SiuS, I don't know if you got my PM, but give me a shout if you need help with those tables. I still have a few days before the end of my vacations, so I do have some time to help you with that.

[Fax Celestis]

Pulled a blue dragon from the Pal machine today. Now I have all the ripper dragons. Woo!

[Levictus]

I wish I could get 24 in a weekend. I think I have pretty average luck. 2-4 +egg drops a day. Slightly ahead of the curve in 40% legend drops (4/9). Near average in skillups, though I haven't kept good track, although the distribution leaves much to be desired. Pretty average evo material drops - got trolled by tamas during normal jewel dragons but did well with the babies.

Haha I'm kind of lost on what to do too. Satan is the only monster I still want, and all I need to safely 0 stone it is to skill up my heras and heracles. So I'm just chilling and waiting for those dungeons to come around. Weekends are fun though - Goemon is a completely different playstyle compared to pretty much every other leader in the game, and it's exciting.

I guess practice new leads, or plan for a descend?


2-4 a day of T6 double drops sounds about right. I haven't kept track of anything since I've started playing so I honestly have no clue as to how my statistics match with the averages. I do think my skillup luck is abysmally low (especially after going 0/12 with apollo skillups)!

As for burning out, I generally try to run different leads, tackle descends with different teams, and just all around challenge myself. I'm currently on the hunt to +297 my Red Sonia so most of my stamina has been going into that. However, I still spend a lot of stamina on skillups. I'm currently working towards skilling Hera and Hera-is so when the gravity dungeons come around, most of my stamina will get sunk into that. I also try to run every dungeon I can get a wack at. If I can create a team that can tackle something, I'll spend all my stamina within those days to do it, even if it means failing a few times. Doing this, I honestly can't remember the last time I let a descend or collab run by without at least attempting it (outside of conditional dungeons, I hate wasting monster xp to make a specific team for a specific dungeon that I most likely won't use again).

Anyways, I guess what I'm trying to say is to keep up the variety. Don't get locked into one playstyle, dungeon, or goal. In fact, I thoroughly enjoy having more than one goal or objective at a time, as long as they aren't too numerous and are reasonable goals.


What do pros like Levi and Obryn do with their stamina? Skillups?
Pro? not a chance. On the same playing field as Obryn, again not a chance :smallbiggrin:

Obryn is definitely on another level than myself. I think people believe I'm better than what I actually am since I've been playing for a long while. I have a lot of mons and a lot of levels, but just because of the sheer time I've put into the game. I just play to have fun, rather than to advance as quickly as possible/level as quickly possible, and really that's all that matters to me :smallsmile:

[obryn]

Sorry I had missed the question. :)

I have a pretty big backlog of monsters, but most of my stamina goes towards leveling and skilling up the monsters I do use. (If, that is, the skill up process is reasonable. Light chasers? No. Whiskey dragons? Yes.)

Otherwise, I'm leveling new and various teams and experimenting when a leader catches my eye, like Asuka or DQXQ. And, generally, playing fun dungeons. Super Kings are my main focus these days.

Oh, and trying to assemble gimmick teams like the Twinlits team I posted last thread. :D

I've had a few slowdowns where I can't figure out how to spend my stamina. Usually right after an event with a terrible 2 week dungeon. That's when I farm T5s for +eggs and stock up on evo mats. Right now I'm working on Laphroaig.

[Jurai]

Why is it so accursedy hard to get Twinlits?

[Erloas]

Here are my two, not sure if they are formatted exactly the same to work with what Siuis did, but I couldn't get that code to work out exactly right when I tried to steal it. Not sure where to find the larger icons for the primary leaders either.


Main LeadSecondaryAvailable for Request

Erloas
325,699,229 (https://www.padherder.com/user/erloas)
https://www.padherder.com/static/img/monsters/60x60/994.46935f5087aa.png
Inferno Diety Falcon
Horus




https://www.padherder.com/static/img/monsters/60x60/693.880dc568406a.png
Noble Wolf King
Cu Chulain


https://www.padherder.com/static/img/monsters/60x60/363.e66af6a1212a.png
Awoken Odin



https://www.padherder.com/static/img/monsters/60x60/598.f03ab34a1408.png
(soon to be Awoken)
Hera-Ur






All toydragons
All starter dragons
All mystic Knights
All heartbreakers
Darkdragon Vritra
Awoken Hera-Is
Leilan
Karin
Catwoman
Moonlit Shadow, Hattori Hanzo
and just see Padherder
(many of these are at low levels or not final evo)




Loraes
395,991,230 (https://www.padherder.com/user/loraes)
https://www.padherder.com/static/img/monsters/60x60/912.b3233f06e7b9.png
Extant Red Dragon Caller
Sonia




https://www.padherder.com/static/img/monsters/60x60/693.880dc568406a.png
Noble Wolf King
Cu Chulain


https://www.padherder.com/static/img/monsters/60x60/363.e66af6a1212a.png
Awoken Odin



https://www.padherder.com/static/img/monsters/60x60/891.35cbe6f0ef7e.png
Hunt God of the Holy Bow
Artemis


https://www.padherder.com/static/img/monsters/60x60/748.20ee5a1ce0dc.png
Guardian of Life Seiryuu
Karin






Sun Quan
Lakshmi
Archangel Metatron
Dancing Light Amaterasu Ohkami
Deathly Hell Deity Jackal, Anubis
Misato&AAA Wunder, Powered Up
BAO Robin+E. Stick
and just see Padherder

[Starwulf]

So, I decided to try my hand at the T6 normal dungeons this morning before I went to bed, ended up clearing the last 2 stages of Frozen Soil, and then cleared the first 4 stages of Mars Crater. None of it was even remotely difficult, I'm not quite sure why I had it inside my head that it was going to be this horrible issue, as I literally steamrolled everything. Vamp/Lucifer leads with 2x RK, DJ, Hera. For final stage of Frozen soil with CAD as the boss with 100k defense, I just subbed in Top DroidDragon for defense null, then one-shotted him gravity + morningstar. Hell, at the end of my runs, I had to put DD Bats in as my leader and grab a level 28 D/W Vamp because I was out of other possible friend leaders to grab. It was still insanely easy, even with just 2x RCV.

Really, I am kind of boggled at how easy they are at this moment, I've looked at the dungeon #'s, and really thought I was going to have a much harder time of it.

On another note, I'm now at that horrible spot of 95 stamina. Possibility of 2 runs on a Super king dungeon without stoning, but no point IN stoning afterwards as I'll only get 1 run out of it. Bleck ><


2-4 a day of T6 double drops sounds about right. I haven't kept track of anything since I've started playing so I honestly have no clue as to how my statistics match with the averages. I do think my skillup luck is abysmally low (especially after going 0/12 with apollo skillups)!


That is not bad at all. My record is 0/74 before I finally got a skill-up. All on 2x skill-up rate. Hell, my last skill-up on my siren took 60 some odd marine goblins before I finally got it, again, all on 2x Skill-up. That's why I made sure to mention in my post about how lucky I am with drops, that I am equally as unlucky with skill-ups. I poured around 200 marine goblins into my Megalodran before I finally got him max-skilled. My best amount of luck was actually recently, I fed 5 leeks to susano and got 2 skill-ups, I swear I about fainted, had to rub my eyes and go in and check his info, honestly didn't believe that had happened.

[Jasmine]

2-4 a day of T6 double drops sounds about right. I haven't kept track of anything since I've started playing so I honestly have no clue as to how my statistics match with the averages. I do think my skillup luck is abysmally low (especially after going 0/12 with apollo skillups)!

I'm currently working towards skilling Hera and Hera-is so when the gravity dungeons come around, most of my stamina will get sunk into that. I also try to run every dungeon I can get a wack at.
A dozen failed skillups isn't actually that bad. (7%), or slightly less than the chance of skilling up outside of 2x. I think it just feels that way because you have to dedicate effort into the process. + eggs just come with time, evo mats can elude you but at least when it's 2x you're getting SOMETHING you can use for later, and exp farming is a sure, if slow, process.

How often do you toss stones for stamina? I'm thinking about going all out on Hera tomorrow since I'm at 118 stam and grav skillups seems to be a gateway to farming goemons and heracles. I've been saving stones for at least a month for this!


Doing this, I honestly can't remember the last time I let a descend or collab run by without at least attempting it (outside of conditional dungeons, I hate wasting monster xp to make a specific team for a specific dungeon that I most likely won't use again).

Anyways, I guess what I'm trying to say is to keep up the variety. Don't get locked into one playstyle, dungeon, or goal. In fact, I thoroughly enjoy having more than one goal or objective at a time, as long as they aren't too numerous and are reasonable goals.

Yeah, I tend to play all the collabs/dungeons unless I can't beat it on legend for the stone (IE dark pirate ewwww). It's not that much of a distraction though, since I can usually just run through them with my Horus team. Although I did try to get a tama from the ancient light drag using herais/anubis friend. It didn't work LOL. I took him through master and got an average of 4-5 skyfall per turn, and on legend I got a total of 6 skyfall over the course of 16 turns =____=. It was fun 1 hitting the boss with a 'mere' 10 combo though. Got a lame B. Had to try 3 times too.

I used to have a lot of goals, but I seem to have completed a lot of them recently - of the descends, I just have Satan left. My B/L/D monsters are done and awakened, I just have 7 levels of echidna and 70 levels of hercules to go for R and G. I have so much extra exp I have a level 90 adk, a 90 angelion, and a 93 mystic ice, none of which I've ever used (also a 90 L/L zeus that I haven't used since level 30 unevo). First +297 was done a little while ago, and another will probably take another 4 months - less of a goal as much as a marker of how much you play.


Why is it so accursedy hard to get Twinlits?
Cause you won't have the RCV to take the hit at low levels? Cause he's an end game monster? Cause hard content makes more money and you wouldn't tackle hard content unless it was rewarding? I'd actually say it was easy to get twinlits now...Starwulf got both of his by waiting at the PAL machine without having to do any hard dungeons.


None of it was even remotely difficult, I'm not quite sure why I had it inside my head that it was going to be this horrible issue, as I literally steamrolled everything.
I thought I mentioned before that T6 is easy up to Hera/Zeus? :P And well, they're easy to beat, but hard to beat fast. I'm still having trouble getting them under 4 minutes a run. :smalltongue:

[Starwulf]

Cause you won't have the RCV to take the hit at low levels? Cause he's an end game monster? Cause hard content makes more money and you wouldn't tackle hard content unless it was rewarding? I'd actually say it was easy to get twinlits now...Starwulf got both of his by waiting at the PAL machine without having to do any hard dungeons.

Yeah, but that's just me again. Using me as an example on how to get anything(with the exception of Siren and vampire) is just not a reasonable idea, it's been firmly established I have an abnormal amount of luck when it comes to drops for stuff. In 50 rolls of the PAL machine, I got two twinlits, two Trifruits, an RK, a Divine Mask, and a DubMyth. As well as about 6 other gold eggs that contained other masks/dubspirits. Still, it IS a viable strategy for getting them, assuming GungHo ever puts them back into the PAL Machine. I actually am just not going to use my PAL points ever again for regular events, only when stuff like that happens(or at least, until I have the capability of tackling TriFruits and Twinlits by myself), that way I always have tons of pulls to get nice stuff like that. Gotta make sacrifices to get nice stuff sometimes.



I thought I mentioned before that T6 is easy up to Hera/Zeus? :P And well, they're easy to beat, but hard to beat fast. I'm still having trouble getting them under 4 minutes a run. :smalltongue:

Yeah..but...you're better then I am. I honestly expected to get my butt whupped, and whupped badly. I was pleasantly surprised that I was capable of kicking the dungeons butts :)

[Erloas]

I had slowly worked through Vesta Cave and then stalled out on Frozen Soil of Prosell. I just didn't have the HP to make any mistakes. I went back to them recently and they were pretty easy, levels made all the difference. I think I could almost farm them now if I wanted to. I haven't checked all the numbers but I assume I could get through Junos Island without much trouble, but I figure I'll wait to advance them to when I have free stamina and whichever I'm on is on the daily 1.5x boost.

Although I passed you in rank recently you've still got me on focused team levels, so I imagine you should have a reasonably easy time doing them.

[Fax Celestis]

I need Sapphire Dragons to come around badly. I need three kings so I can make my Queen Bonia and her Harem of Kings team (BSonia//King Bubblie/King Bubblie/King Bubblie/?; undecided on Mitsuki or Gigas; Mitsuki would heartmake off of two colors I don't care about and is fully awakened, but Gigas would get the bonus from BSonia and is a tank).

[Academia]

Woah we data migrated.

Academia
350,076,269
Main Leader: Kirin
Secondary Leaders: LMeta, Byakko
Available for Request: Genbu, Suzaku, Karin, Izanagi, SunQuan, Amaterasu, RSonia, ROdin, Hino Kagutsuchi (Skip this section if it's too much xD)

Been busy lately. MORE MICROSCOPES!

Aca

[Erloas]

I have a feeling our OP is going to overflow the post size (unless that increased a lot with the forum code change?) because the tables take up a lot of hidden characters. Might have to fall to Obryn to post them since he has the second post.

I would volunteer to assemble the code for everyone to match my table design (mostly because I couldn't get Siuis's to work right) if you would like.

[Aramul]

As with a number of other people in this thread, I'm right before the 100 stamina marker. I'm sitting at 96 stamina right now, and all these Super Kings are just taunting me. I almost feel like I should do nothing but run the highest exp/stam dungeons until I hit rank 167, but I can't resist the lure of saving stamina for super kings.


So, I decided to try my hand at the T6 normal dungeons this morning before I went to bed, ended up clearing the last 2 stages of Frozen Soil, and then cleared the first 4 stages of Mars Crater. None of it was even remotely difficult, I'm not quite sure why I had it inside my head that it was going to be this horrible issue, as I literally steamrolled everything. Vamp/Lucifer leads with 2x RK, DJ, Hera. For final stage of Frozen soil with CAD as the boss with 100k defense, I just subbed in Top DroidDragon for defense null, then one-shotted him gravity + morningstar. Hell, at the end of my runs, I had to put DD Bats in as my leader and grab a level 28 D/W Vamp because I was out of other possible friend leaders to grab. It was still insanely easy, even with just 2x RCV.

Really, I am kind of boggled at how easy they are at this moment, I've looked at the dungeon #'s, and really thought I was going to have a much harder time of it.

I found the fire dungeon to be the most difficult in starting both t5 and t6 dungeons, and it's the first one in both. I think since they feature a lot of high defense monsters and I run mostly green, I have more difficulty with them. Everything after those has been cake though.


I forgot. I had planned to bring TDD along for Neptune(that's what i normally do in the weekend), but I won't have time to charge his skill :smalltongue: I don't have a CuChu, so that will have to my mid-leveled Artemis. I might even be able to stall enough turns along the way to charge her orb changing skill before Neptune. What worries me more is to be able to hit Hera for 2.5 M damage before she hits me twice (5-ish turns if I manage to charge my (unskilled) Echidna before reaching here).

(Sidenote: I wish Scarlet Snake Princess would come around more often for farming skill-ups)

Oh well, I'll see what I feel like tomorrow.
Let her hit you once, then activate the delay. Hopefully you can heal up during those 4 turns, and get an extra turn out of the deal.

[Kauai]

Oh, and trying to assemble gimmick teams like the Twinlits team I posted last thread. :D

Which gimmick team? The one you described using Zeus, or was there another? Just wondering what your full gimmick team composition would be for Twinlits. (I know we discussed it and I went back to find it, but it was mainly the strat that was discussed and not the full team composition.)


On another note, I'm now at that horrible spot of 95 stamina. Possibility of 2 runs on a Super king dungeon without stoning, but no point IN stoning afterwards as I'll only get 1 run out of it. Bleck ><

Yeah, I finally hit the Rank 167 milestone last night and I'm so happy. Seriously contemplating stoning super metals today to try and either max out a couple of dark monsters, or go offcolor and try and level up my Ronia team members. (I may go with the latter, as I've been experimenting with the team even with the low levels I have and it hits pretty darn hard. I can't imagine what it would be like with the team properly leveled up!)

EDIT: Oh, forgot to mention that I think my leaders need to be updated as well. My strawberry dragon rarely sees the light of day anymore. lol I guess my main would be Byakko/Haku, but once I get the proper levels it will shift to Ronia (she's only at 53 right now). Persephone and Pompompurin are both often up for me nowadays too depending on what I last did in the game. Other leads upon request would be GrOdin (fully awoken but only lvl 75), BOdin (fully awoken, lvl 84), and DD Yomi (3 awakenings, lvl 82). Not sure what else would be worth listing as the rest are in levels between 50 - 70.

[Academia]

Just in case anyone didn't know already.

But PAD Manga is amazing lol.

http://puzzleanddragonsforum.com/showthread.php?tid=6464

Aca

[Levictus]

Which gimmick team? The one you described using Zeus, or was there another? Just wondering what your full gimmick team composition would be for Twinlits. (I know we discussed it and I went back to find it, but it was mainly the strat that was discussed and not the full team composition.)

One that involved two max skilled Ra's, and lots of skillboosts (including tengu). Enough skill boosts to have both Ra's up for floor two, so the idea is floor one - wipe, floor two - ra, floor three - ra, floor 4 wipe.



Yeah, I finally hit the Rank 167 milestone last night and I'm so happy. Seriously contemplating stoning super metals today to try and either max out a couple of dark monsters, or go offcolor and try and level up my Ronia team members. (I may go with the latter, as I've been experimenting with the team even with the low levels I have and it hits pretty darn hard. I can't imagine what it would be like with the team properly leveled up!)

EDIT: Oh, forgot to mention that I think my leaders need to be updated as well. My strawberry dragon rarely sees the light of day anymore. lol I guess my main would be Byakko/Haku, but once I get the proper levels it will shift to Ronia (she's only at 53 right now). Persephone and Pompompurin are both often up for me nowadays too depending on what I last did in the game. Other leads upon request would be GrOdin (fully awoken but only lvl 75), BOdin (fully awoken, lvl 84), and DD Yomi (3 awakenings, lvl 82). Not sure what else would be worth listing as the rest are in levels between 50 - 70.

Ronia is very strong. A single +297 Ronia with a perfect combo can hit 2M by herself. Thats one monster, 2million. You have 6 fire mons on your team, thats... insanity. Of course this is with a perfect setup with Ronia/Ronia/Belial/Shiva/Baddie - Ronia friend.

[Starwulf]

So, Warded Storm God, Susano no Mikoto is officially maxed out! That makes 4 green monsters entirely maxed out, and signifies the last major green creature that I wanted to max(not that worried about Top DroidDragon or ADKZ), so from here on out all green exp will be going to Freyja until I can get her Ult.evoed and up to about 70 or so. On another note, my DJ is now almost max level as well, sitting on level 93, just under 400k exp to go, so I'll have him finished in the next few days.

Just finished out Mars Crater, another easy victory. The next set of stages looks amazingly easy, since it's light based and I'm running through these things with a mono-dark team, so this should be like taking a hot knife through butter.

[obryn]

Which gimmick team? The one you described using Zeus, or was there another? Just wondering what your full gimmick team composition would be for Twinlits. (I know we discussed it and I went back to find it, but it was mainly the strat that was discussed and not the full team composition.
Levi nailed it. It's max skill Ra / Tengu / LMeta / Belial / Echidna / max skill Ra

I have 7 skill boosts, but I may be 1 short of what I need... I can get both Ra out by 2nd round of the dublits, so if I zap and zap... Echidna won't be up for another round. If the dublits all have a 3 or 4 count, that's fine. If the tamadra has a 2 count, that's also fine.

But... I do have a bind immune LMeta. She clears 2 binds and can be up on 4th round... Hmm...

[tyckspoon]

Todays Stupid Preventable Error: Didn't Morningstar Laphroig while delivering the death blow burst combo. Left him with like 2% health or something. Forgot this would cause him to Bind my entire team. Spent a stone to continue that one, because I'd gotten a Unicorn invade.

[Starwulf]

Todays Stupid Preventable Error: Didn't Morningstar Laphroig while delivering the death blow burst combo. Left him with like 2% health or something. Forgot this would cause him to Bind my entire team. Spent a stone to continue that one, because I'd gotten a Unicorn invade.

I had something slightly similar happen to me while finishing up the last stage of Mars crater. I misjudged the amount of health Graviton dragon had and morningstarred him and left him with about 5% HP, no dark orbs on board to finish him off, no heart orbs, and 2 turns till he attacked. Thankfully I managed to clear a solid 65-70% of the board and had 6 hearts drop, which was enough to put me back up to max health the following turn, and after that I used the next two turns to clear all but dark orbs(he has 5k defense, and with only 2x atk, you need a few dark orb combos to do significant damage), then wiped him out the turn before he'd attack again(didn't matter anyways, I was full health again).

I've looked at Unicorn, it's almost tempting to keep doing Ancient Light Dragon dungeon for one, 2x ATK/HP for a healer team, would pair great with a Metatron, giving a solid 7x atk with 2x HP and enough base RCV to make it as though you were functioning with at least 3x rcv.

[SiuiS]

I have a feeling our OP is going to overflow the post size (unless that increased a lot with the forum code change?) because the tables take up a lot of hidden characters. Might have to fall to Obryn to post them since he has the second post.

I would volunteer to assemble the code for everyone to match my table design (mostly because I couldn't get Siuis's to work right) if you would like.

It's a conglomeration; one table with a row for each person to create the color effect, each row of that table has another table to separate the name/placard/ID# from the other monsters, and the the other monsters are also their own, third table. This is what allows the staggering of Placards. Here, lemme show you with ugly borders again.


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The forum post character limit is fifty thousand. I don't quite think I'll hit that before fixing the table especially as not everyone needs a full eight secondary leaders! I think cutting it down to your top five total would do wonders, even. Maybe add a spoiler for all the non-ready but still useful leaders like cost restricted, resist, double resists, etc.

Unless you can get row span and column span to work? That would be much easier!

E: hahahahaha mastering uvo!

http://i.imgur.com/2Nxu60L.jpg

[Jasmine]

Yeah, but that's just me again. Using me as an example on how to get anything(with the exception of Siren and vampire) is just not a reasonable idea, it's been firmly established I have an abnormal amount of luck when it comes to drops for stuff. .
It's actually not that bad. I think most players will go 100 day before tackling twinlits. Assuming you get 1 roll from login, 1 roll from using friends, 1 roll from being used by friends and 1 roll from mail, that's 400 chances to get 2 twinlits. You're just a little ahead of the curve :P



Yeah..but...you're better then I am. I honestly expected to get my butt whupped, and whupped badly. I was pleasantly surprised that I was capable of kicking the dungeons butts :)
Nah I've realized I'm actually pretty bad after getting whipped in the ancient dragons. 7.6 combo average in a tricolor? Terrible! I just had clear goals for my teams from the start, so they're endgame viable, have synergy, AND levels.


Muahaha I've been saving stones for for more than a month. See you guys in 5 rankups.

[tyckspoon]

It's actually not that bad. I think most players will go 100 day before tackling twinlits. Assuming you get 1 roll from login, 1 roll from using friends, 1 roll from being used by friends and 1 roll from mail, that's 400 chances to get 2 twinlits. You're just a little ahead of the curve :P

I'm a fair bit over 100 days and just now developing a team that I think would have decent chances at taking on Twinlits (Need a second Hera grown up some for decent stats and getting Vampire operational for stats/skill/Devil typeing, tho. So it'll be a bit more, but I'm pretty sure I can Sonia it.) Also I don't think I've ever made that many PAL points in a day, although part of that is probably that my friend list, leaders used, and xp are all over the place, as well as not starting the game with a broadly attractive/end-game leader; I don't have the appeal for most of my friends list to want to use the leader(s) I usually have up, and I tend to want to use a fairly small selection of the ones they have up. Might have changed if I'd adopted your approach when I pulled my Horus and said "ok, from now on everything goes to making the best dang Horus team I can. Anything that doesn't help that gets no advancement until it's done."

[SiuiS]

Speaking of, how easy is it for Haku to take Hera? I don't have an evo'd Hera-Uruz yet, is her active still worth bringing?

My current Haku dream team is Red Sonja, blue Sonia, twin dark star Tiamat, and echidna. Or maybe just two red Sonja and two blue Sonia? Heh.
TAKE MY LOVE, MY ANGER, AND ALL THESE ROW ENHNACEMENTS!

[tyckspoon]

Speaking of, how easy is it for Haku to take Hera? I don't have an evo'd Hera-Uruz yet, is her active still worth bringing?

My current Haku dream team is Red Sonja, blue Sonia, twin dark star Tiamat, and echidna. Or maybe just two red Sonja and two blue Sonia? Heh.
TAKE MY LOVE, MY ANGER, AND ALL THESE ROW ENHNACEMENTS!

Should be doable, I think, although check your damage output numbers for Neptune and maybe Minerva (if you can nuke through Neptune's defense, you should have the damage output to burn through everything else without excessive difficulty. Otherwise, make sure to calculate how well you do if you have to give up output slots to have an anti-Neptune trick and/or have enough HP to survive getting hit by things.)

[SiuiS]

I'm thinking of using one of these :D

http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee468/WizardPony/PAD/DC4797C1-0307-4BC3-B66E-66D57606C3FB.png (http://s1229.photobucket.com/user/WizardPony/media/PAD/DC4797C1-0307-4BC3-B66E-66D57606C3FB.png.html)

http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee468/WizardPony/PAD/E8A722E7-60EF-4741-BCC0-8CBAA8852FFD.png (http://s1229.photobucket.com/user/WizardPony/media/PAD/E8A722E7-60EF-4741-BCC0-8CBAA8852FFD.png.html)

:D



Looks like just below par for taking a hit. I also need a stylus, and I need to not play when I am in a
Bad mood. Too much adrenaline. Wanna chase someone down, rip out their Achilles with my teeth and pound their skull to dust with my bare hands. Not conducive to puzzling...

[Starwulf]

I'm thinking of using one of these :D

http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee468/WizardPony/PAD/DC4797C1-0307-4BC3-B66E-66D57606C3FB.png (http://s1229.photobucket.com/user/WizardPony/media/PAD/DC4797C1-0307-4BC3-B66E-66D57606C3FB.png.html)

http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee468/WizardPony/PAD/E8A722E7-60EF-4741-BCC0-8CBAA8852FFD.png (http://s1229.photobucket.com/user/WizardPony/media/PAD/E8A722E7-60EF-4741-BCC0-8CBAA8852FFD.png.html)

:D



Looks like just below par for taking a hit. I also need a stylus, and I need to not play when I am in a
Bad mood. Too much adrenaline. Wanna chase someone down, rip out their Achilles with my teeth and pound their skull to dust with my bare hands. Not conducive to puzzling...

Uhhh, wow, what's wrong SiuiS?

[SiuiS]

Life! Just in general. Stress builds up, and eventually you get to the point where you react out of proportion to what's goin on? Like your waitress brings you a diet soda instead of your order, and you go off on her.

Someone stole maybe five dollars worth of candy and I want to chase down techie cat, smash the windows and drag them out for a beating. That's not what's wrong, that's a symptom, but it's still triggering my fight reflexes as my body prepares to chase down cats and smash windows.




It's been a really long three months.

[Starwulf]

Life! Just in general. Stress builds up, and eventually you get to the point where you react out of proportion to what's goin on? Like your waitress brings you a diet soda instead of your order, and you go off on her.

Someone stole maybe five dollars worth of candy and I want to chase down techie cat, smash the windows and drag them out for a beating. That's not what's wrong, that's a symptom, but it's still triggering my fight reflexes as my body prepares to chase down cats and smash windows.




It's been a really long three months.

Ouch. I definitely understand how quickly stress can build up and send you over the edge. I hope things get a little better for you, and that you also manage to find a somewhat healthy outlet for your frustrations :)

So, just beat Jupiter, City in the Sky! 2 +eggs were my reward for the final level, and 2 more over-all, so 4 for doing the whole set of dungeons. Next up: Junos Island! Only the very first level looks a bit daunting, not sure how to really handle Chaos Dragon Knights 13k defense, since I only run 2x atk. I could bring Top DroidDragon and hope that in one turn I manage to put out enough damage combined with Hera that I can finish him off with a Morningstar, otherwise I'll be pinging him to death for like 10 rounds at a time while waiting for DJ and vamps abilities to come back up so I can push out decent chunks of damage. Other then that though, the whole set of dungeons looks to be fairly easy. Chaos devil dragon might be a PITA, but on a 2 turn timer I'm not THAT worried, I should be able to heal up that damage every time, and I have no issues using DJ's ability strictly as a heartmaker if necessary.

Kind of nice actually making stones again, up to 4 from 1. Ya know, I have to ask: How rough are the challenge dungeons post Castle of Satan for Normal Dungeons, and post Faithless temple with no name for technical? Wouldn't mind doing some of them to get more stones, but don't want to waste stamina if I'm not going to be able to handle them.

A question: DJ, should I awaken him? I've been using my Mono-dark team an awful lot lately, RK has no awaken abilities, Hera just isn't worth it, especially not since she's eminently farmable(hell I have one in my box now that I just need to level and evolve and I could get an awakening out of her). Vamps already fully awoken. DJs awakenings aren't "that" great, but 4 or 6% total light damage reduction and 1 resist bind could be kind of useful....Ya know..maybe not, just don't see where it would really benefit me except in dungeons with lots of dark binds. Maybe I should start levleing Purple Sky fruit, Grape Dragon, and replace one of the Rainbow Keepers on the team(or THE RK, depending upon set-up). 2x Orb enhance, 2x Row enhance, 2x Dark damage reduction, 2 Skill boost and an Orb movement time extender would bring a LOT Of damage to my mono-dark team..like, A LOT. I could even ditch the other RK as well, bring my DD Bats as a sub and get a 3rd Orb and Row enhance. What kind of damage boost is 3x Orb and 3x Row enhancers?

edit: Also, since today is a Hera day, I've logged out with my Odin as my leader, he's fully awoken, and fully leveled, and will be a big help for anyone who hasn't taken down Hera yet and doesn't have the capability of brute forcing their way through the dungeon.

[Beacon of Chaos]

Just in case anyone didn't know already.

But PAD Manga is amazing lol.

http://puzzleanddragonsforum.com/showthread.php?tid=6464

Aca
Heh, this is a really cute comic. Gonna enjoy reading it. Thanks for posting it.


E: hahahahaha mastering uvo!
Hee! Cute!


Why is it that when you want dragon plants you get dragon seeds and vice versa? Thursday dungeon is just mean. :smallannoyed:

[obryn]

I've looked at Unicorn, it's almost tempting to keep doing Ancient Light Dragon dungeon for one, 2x ATK/HP for a healer team, would pair great with a Metatron, giving a solid 7x atk with 2x HP and enough base RCV to make it as though you were functioning with at least 3x rcv.
If you can manage to get Angelits, the L/L Ultimate of Archangel also has a 2x HP/ATK leader skill. It's really nice - very strong for a good Healer team.

[obryn]

A question: DJ, should I awaken him?
eeeeennnhhhhh

I fully awoke mine off other DJs, but his awakenings are pretty useless, frankly.

[Erloas]

It's a conglomeration; one table with a row for each person to create the color effect, each row of that table has another table to separate the name/placard/ID# from the other monsters, and the the other monsters are also their own, third table. This is what allows the staggering of Placards. Here, lemme show you with ugly borders again.

...

The forum post character limit is fifty thousand. I don't quite think I'll hit that before fixing the table especially as not everyone needs a full eight secondary leaders! I think cutting it down to your top five total would do wonders, even. Maybe add a spoiler for all the non-ready but still useful leaders like cost restricted, resist, double resists, etc.
I could see what you were trying to do but I just couldn't get it to work exactly right. I had to increase the header spaces and put the second table it its own cell to get it to work. Although looking at it with all of the info stripped out I see how you did it. You had another nested table that I didn't realize was there.

Either way though, I can leave it to you or if you want I can try to code everyone's in. Though yes, limiting it to primary and 4 or 6 for secondary would be best.


Kind of nice actually making stones again, up to 4 from 1. Ya know, I have to ask: How rough are the challenge dungeons post Castle of Satan for Normal Dungeons, and post Faithless temple with no name for technical? Wouldn't mind doing some of them to get more stones, but don't want to waste stamina if I'm not going to be able to handle them.
I have all of them through Tomb of the Saint-Deep completely done and a couple in the pre- Tower to the Sky set done, some weren't too bad other specific stages have given me problems.
I have a few stages but no complete dungeons after Faithless Temple in the Technical side. And that is with both accounts. I know I ran some with Horus, I've ran some with Cu Chu, RSonia, Artemis, and maybe a couple others. So most aren't too tough. It of course has a lot to do with the specific bosses and what you have up for friends, usually someone like Neptune you won't have the multiplier to take him out and there aren't a lot of friends that leave a strong poisoner up.

[Fax Celestis]

Kind of nice actually making stones again, up to 4 from 1. Ya know, I have to ask: How rough are the challenge dungeons post Castle of Satan for Normal Dungeons, and post Faithless temple with no name for technical? Wouldn't mind doing some of them to get more stones, but don't want to waste stamina if I'm not going to be able to handle them.

I did challenge dungeons through Tower of Flare and Temple of Trailokya, and I'm barely rank 100. I just plugged Verche in as my leader and got the biggest, baddest god buddies I could find. No problems.

Whichever one of you is running Tsuku Yomi, by the way, please continue. She makes my Bastet team so freakin' hot.

[Beacon of Chaos]

I did challenge dungeons through Tower of Flare and Temple of Trailokya, and I'm barely rank 100. I just plugged Verche in as my leader and got the biggest, baddest god buddies I could find. No problems.

Whichever one of you is running Tsuku Yomi, by the way, please continue. She makes my Bastet team so freakin' hot.
That would be me. I've been using her to run challenge dungeons. It's so much quicker to just pick the 5 highest level light mons and rush through. :smallsmile:

[SiuiS]

I could see what you were trying to do but I just couldn't get it to work exactly right. I had to increase the header spaces and put the second table it its own cell to get it to work. Although looking at it with all of the info stripped out I see how you did it. You had another nested table that I didn't realize was there.

Either way though, I can leave it to you or if you want I can try to code everyone's in. Though yes, limiting it to primary and 4 or 6 for secondary would be best.

Alright. Normally I would make it a point of pride to go alone, but I'm running between an iPhone and a faulty computer, and primarily iPhone. If you and Larkas and all can get it going and looking good, I'll just slot that in and give you guys credit.

As is, my goal for the day (once I get some sleep in) is to go through and quote-compile all the new info people gave at the end of the last thread, so I can make sure it's all up to date XD

[obryn]

http://i.imgur.com/wosX8Js.jpg
why-you-dont-run-daily-dungeons-outside-events.jpg
:smallsigh:

It's like it's taunting me.

[Fax Celestis]

Sorry, I must've stole your drop. I ran it twice, got three fruits.

[Soepvork]

Aaaaaaaargggggg. Waited all day for my stamina to recover and for a GrOdin friend to show up so I can run Hera again, and then PAD crashes when I try to enter the dungeon causing me to lose 40 stamina :smallfurious:

[tyckspoon]

I could even ditch the other RK as well, bring my DD Bats as a sub and get a 3rd Orb and Row enhance. What kind of damage boost is 3x Orb and 3x Row enhancers?


I'm not sure how the Orb Enhances work out, but IIRC 3 Row Enhance is just below the breakpoint for where you want to be looking for full rows instead of breaking up your combos. Useful for situations where you want to be making multiattacks anyway, not so good for enhancing your single-target damage.

[SiuiS]

Orb enhance is 20% each, additive. Five orb enhance on a teem means every orb adds 6% damage; a 1x3 does 118%. Each of those is added per combo, though, so it's not quite so impressive for the investment. A single enhanced orb (6%) doesn't boost all attacks of that color by 6%, only that one combo.

Row enhance math is based on six orbs. A 1x6 does a base of 175% damage, a 2x3 does 225%. With three row enhances, you break just about even. With a full board switch like western Seven star formation, even one or two row enhance skills can cause serious hurt. If handled right, this makes them competitive with change the world shenanigans. You want to do some compRison though, because a 3x3 is the same as having a 3x leader skill, while a 1x3+1x6 isn't.


*


Sorry, Obryn. Your post reminded me about Thursday, and my first match, first wave? Dragon fruit invade. I'm 3/4, took all your luck. Have a max awoken Alraune now though!

[Erloas]

I'm thinking it is time to start consolidating my + eggs better. I had been putting them on the monsters I use the most but only to the point where it isn't really expensive. So I have 10-30 eggs on many of my commonly used monsters but no one as exceptionally high.

Erl's account... well Horus is the obvious choice, but when it comes down to it Horus is only on Horus's team, but GrOdin is on the most teams, and Yomi is on quite a few as well and DL Vamp isn't far behind.

Lor's account though is a lot harder to figure out. Karin was my primary leader for a while, then it switched to Cu Chu and Artemis, and now RSonia is probably my most used. But now that I picked up GrOdin he'll probably be making a lot of appearances once he gets some more levels. DL vamp and Anubis end up on quite a few teams as well. I don't know if some of my previous random friends dropped me or if they switched leaders too, I almost never see Karin leads any more, I haven't seen Artemis in quite a while, and I used to have a lot of Cu Chu but I usually never see more than 1-2 now. RSonia has became very common though. I also have Idunn&Idunna but she isn't leading much. There is of course a strong balance theme, and a concentration in Green and Black with blue being reasonably strong, so those (Artemis, Cu Chu, DL Vamp, and now GrOdin) tend to show up in a lot of teams.
So I really have no idea where to concentrate the eggs there.

[obryn]

Sorry, Obryn. Your post reminded me about Thursday, and my first match, first wave? Dragon fruit invade. I'm 3/4, took all your luck. Have a max awoken Alraune now though!
http://i.imgur.com/jktoblD.jpg


Erl's account... well Horus is the obvious choice, but when it comes down to it Horus is only on Horus's team, but GrOdin is on the most teams, and Yomi is on quite a few as well and DL Vamp isn't far behind.
There's two basic philosophies. Which one I adhere to should be obvious from my +279 Ra :smallbiggrin:
(1) Put all the +eggs on the monster who's on the most of your teams. You will see many +297 Echidnas from players with this philosophy. Advantages: You get the +eggs on more teams, duh. Disadvantages: Well... see (2).

(2) Put all the +eggs on your best/most-desirable leader. Disadvantage: If you're not running this team, you don't have the +eggs, unless you use that lead as a sub (very likely for someone like Bastet; less likely for Ra/Horus). Advantage: Well, there's a lot. (a) you attract more PAL points - a lot more of them. (b) you attract higher-value fellow leaders, like 297 Ra's, who may not otherwise add you or keep you around. (c) you get to be altruistic and help your fellow PADders who aren't usually getting anything out of all the +eggs you threw on that sub.

Which one you pick is up to you. Both are valid, but I go with (2) because I also see advantage (d) It's like keeping a well-manicured lawn or a clean house; it puts your best foot forwards for guests. :smallbiggrin:

[obryn]

In other news... man, I'm considering experimenting with Asgard Golem in my Ra team again after his Ultimate Evo (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/%E7%A2%A7%E3%81%AE%E6%A9%9F%E7%A5%9E%E5%B0%86%E3%8 3%BB%E3%83%B4%E3%82%A3%E3%82%BA%E3%82%A2%E3%83%BC% E3%82%B9%E3%82%AC%E3%83%AB) goes live. A skill boost, tons of HP, two colors for ATK, and some actual RCV to speak of? It's worth a look, anyway.

I think I will probably end up sticking with Susano because RCV is important and 5 rounds is better than 3, but it's worth a try for certain.

[Samuel Sturm]

Well, I just beat Hera with my Ronia team. First time I've beaten a descend without a resist lead. Guess that means I'm at the point I can start farming gravity skillups.

SiuiS, I'm busy as I can possibly be for the next couple days, but I'll try to get my leader table built for you late Saturday or Sunday after I graduate from college. :smallbiggrin:

[Fax Celestis]

Oh, I just noticed that Blue Dragon gains Physical subtype when uvo'd. As does BB Leviathan.

I have new goals for my Bonia team.

[tyckspoon]

In other news... man, I'm considering experimenting with Asgard Golem in my Ra team again after his Ultimate Evo (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/%E7%A2%A7%E3%81%AE%E6%A9%9F%E7%A5%9E%E5%B0%86%E3%8 3%BB%E3%83%B4%E3%82%A3%E3%82%BA%E3%82%A2%E3%83%BC% E3%82%B9%E3%82%AC%E3%83%AB) goes live. A skill boost, tons of HP, two colors for ATK, and some actual RCV to speak of? It's worth a look, anyway.


Also an interesting variant of the match-colors-for-bonus leader skill and bringing a Bind-immune damage reduction skill to colors that aren't Susanoo. I can see these things being pretty popular. But man, 3 Golden Keepers? That's an expensive evo.

[Erloas]

Which one you pick is up to you. Both are valid, but I go with (2) because I also see advantage (d) It's like keeping a well-manicured lawn or a clean house; it puts your best foot forwards for guests. :smallbiggrin:
That was what I was thinking. I don't lead with GrOdin a lot but I do some, and his LD skill, while very useful for some things isn't going to be attracting a lot of high level players, but he is on a lot of teams as well.
But with Lor it is harder to decide, Artemis and Cu Chu are on all of the same teams, I assume Cu Chu is a much better general purpose lead for more people though. But I just seem to be leading more with RSonia than either of them, but a lot of that is because I have more RSonia friends to use.


In other news... man, I'm considering experimenting with Asgard Golem in my Ra team again after his Ultimate Evo (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/%E7%A2%A7%E3%81%AE%E6%A9%9F%E7%A5%9E%E5%B0%86%E3%8 3%BB%E3%83%B4%E3%82%A3%E3%82%BA%E3%82%A2%E3%83%BC% E3%82%B9%E3%82%AC%E3%83%AB) goes live. A skill boost, tons of HP, two colors for ATK, and some actual RCV to speak of? It's worth a look, anyway.

I think I will probably end up sticking with Susano because RCV is important and 5 rounds is better than 3, but it's worth a try for certain.Well his RCV isn't negative, but 100 is hardly worth anything. All three of them look interesting and being bind-immune is very handy. At the same time their LD skills actually get useful. It is basically a 9x team that can be built out of anything that you want (short of orb shifters that remove light or whichever color of golem you have) and can be activated very easily. Not quite as mindless as a 9x Physical/Balance/healer team, but more versatile. Now if I had ever got around to evolving any of my golems... oh well, I might have them evolved by the time I can farm gold keepers.

[obryn]

But man, 3 Golden Keepers? That's an expensive evo.
Since I'm running LL Ra, it's just 50 well-spent stamina to me on a double drop day. The dungeon itself isn't particularly challenging for my team - though I want to remember to bring a heartmaker next time. Honestly, it's easier to get him than a Dark keeper, it seems. :smallsigh: (And bonus! on x2 drop day, you get Dark and Light keepers, too!)


Well his RCV isn't negative, but 100 is hardly worth anything. All three of them look interesting and being bind-immune is very handy. At the same time their LD skills actually get useful. It is basically a 9x team that can be built out of anything that you want (short of orb shifters that remove light or whichever color of golem you have) and can be activated very easily. Not quite as mindless as a 9x Physical/Balance/healer team, but more versatile. Now if I had ever got around to evolving any of my golems... oh well, I might have them evolved by the time I can farm gold keepers.
Oh yeah, 100 is still pathetic for that amount of HP, but it's vastly better than 8! If you clear a heart match + 4 combos, you're getting 216 out of him instead of 16, you know? I have a pretty solid RCV on my team if I'm bringing DD Yomi instead of Mastering.

The leader skills are mostly hampered by the lack of row enhances on them, themselves. Still, yeah, with the right subs...

[tyckspoon]

The leader skills are mostly hampered by the lack of row enhances on them, themselves. Still, yeah, with the right subs...

Also their character designs are hotblood like whoa. :) (Red ulti-golem leader, Strawberry Dragon, Freyr.. hmm. RSonia's got her usual excellent awakenings, but her active is counterproductive unless you combo it with Verche or something. Asuka and Gigas, maybe.)

[obryn]

Also their character designs are hotblood like whoa. :) (Red ulti-golem leader, Strawberry Dragon, Freyr.. hmm. RSonia's got her usual excellent awakenings, but her active is counterproductive unless you combo it with Verche or something. Asuka and Gigas, maybe.)
Yeah, for Red I could go...

Freyr (2 rows, 1 skill)
Belial (2 rows, 2 skills)
Ifrit (2 rows, 1 skill)
...and then Uriel maybe, who has orb change + 1 row enhance and works with those colors? He's max skill so I could do a lot worse...

It's hard, though. I'd want at least one more orb changer there, preferably Gigas, though we'd be looking at complete LOL for RCV at that point. If only I had Ronia! :smallfrown:

[Erloas]

Since I'm running LL Ra, it's just 50 well-spent stamina to me on a double drop day. The dungeon itself isn't particularly challenging for my team - though I want to remember to bring a heartmaker next time. Honestly, it's easier to get him than a Dark keeper, it seems. :smallsigh: (And bonus! on x2 drop day, you get Dark and Light keepers, too!)
I was just looking over this again... I have the HP threshold to survive the preemptives now, not by a lot, but some. The RGB I can delay on as long as I don't trigger the big lance and heal back before the next preemptive. But I would have 3 rounds on each of the black and white keepers, I can't take a hit from them. And the gold keeper... which Echidna I would have 9 rounds to kill him. Which is 780k per round... possibly but unlikely, especially with black being voided for 3 of those rounds.

I think I would need to get gravity skilled up on Hera-Is at very least, maybe Hera as well, to have a real shot at it. I can at least see the possibility in the not too distant future.


The leader skills are mostly hampered by the lack of row enhances on them, themselves. Still, yeah, with the right subs...Well you can't have everything in the same monster... I don't necessarily see them as a descent team lead, but a reasonably worry free farming team. I could see Artemis being quite happy with Asgard as a friend lead.

[obryn]

Well you can't have everything in the same monster... I don't necessarily see them as a descent team lead, but a reasonably worry free farming team. I could see Artemis being quite happy with Asgard as a friend lead.
Hahah, no, you certainly can't get everything in a farmable monster, unless that monster is Sandalphon. :smallbiggrin:

And I agree - the golems don't look like a Descend team lead to me, either. In fact, if you have the gold keepers, I'd almost say you don't even need them as leaders at all...

[Jasmine]

Sorry, I must've stole your drop. I ran it twice, got three fruits.
With your luck I'm going to have to start calling you Starpuppy.


Also I don't think I've ever made that many PAL points in a day,
Somewhat depends on which dungeons you run and what friends you have, but 1 roll each is being used by 20 friends, as well as running 20 dungeons with diff friends (easier when you're running normals and ranking up for more stam vs big stuff like supers or descends or legend collabs). I do think that the free 200 for consecutive login is buggy and sometimes doesn't register, and you probably don't conciously account for the free 1000 pal points in the mail (I believe there has been 23 of those since I started, so 115 free rolls in 132 days, slightly less than 1/day. For a player starting now though, PAL egg during evo mats is freaking OP.
https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/v/t34.0-12/10331597_2401840519504_486998098_n.jpg?oh=f0825a9b aeacd3f6662f04e77d9905e3&oe=536DEADF
I also have 70 friends that are currently +200 and above :smallbiggrin:

Remind to self: stop playing when sleepy. Can't believe I died to Hera :smallredface:

[Jurai]

Why are Dublits so tough?

[obryn]

Why are Dublits so tough?
They're a gimmick enemy, with very high defense but very low HP, so typical strategies involve (1) beating their defense, (2) bypassing their defense with something like Ra or Poison, or (3) pinging them to death.

[Jurai]

They hit me like tanks, and they always come on the first or second round of the second 'lit dungeon. And I need dublits of EVERY COLOR IMAGINABLE! Yes, even turquoise.

[obryn]

They hit me like tanks, and they always come on the first or second round of the second 'lit dungeon. And I need dublits of EVERY COLOR IMAGINABLE! Yes, even turquoise.
Have you tried the Resolve Team strategy? Super easy...

Lead: Ogre, as low-level as possible - a "double ogre" if you have it!
Subs: Four low-HP guys - ninjas, sprites, dragon seeds, weak evo masks ... The lower their HP the better
Friend: Auto-healer of some sort; could be Siren, Alraune, Amaterasu, etc.

I recommend Blue, Blue/Red, Blue/Green, Red/Blue, or Green/Blue Ogre. Then 4 blue weak sprites. Then Siren. Should do the trick.

Then you need to do two things: (1) store orbs of your "on" colors in the corners, and (2) Burn down any dublits that attack on the same turn as another dublit. So if you have dublits on 2, 3, and 3, target one of the 3's and kill them ASAP. Once you're safe and no dublits are attacking together, start storing up orbs again.

[Fax Celestis]

DEATH BY A THOUSAND CUTS also works.

[Erloas]

Dublits and masks get a lot easier once you have more monsters with sub colors. Since most damage against them gets reduced to 1 anyway it doesn't matter if that secondary attack is a small amount of damage. Having a potential 12 attacks will finish off masks and dublits much faster than the 6 a base team generally has.

A few gods and other more powerful monsters start with a sub attack but most don't get them until an evolution or two.
As a new player the Ogres are generally your fastest and easiest multicolored monster to acquire.

It takes a while before you have the HP to survive an attack from two at once but once you get to that point it is generally fairly trivial to kill them.



For a player starting now though, PAL egg during evo mats is freaking OP.Yeah, I really noticed that with my GF. She got lucky with the PAL machine, with 3 tri-fruit and a blue keeper. With their decent stats and good active abilities, and their low team cost, they make so many of the normal trash mobs not even worth having in the early game. Paired with the Gunma collab fruit, I really have no idea what to do with her trash mobs at this point, nothing worth feeding them to.

[Klaatu B. Nikto]

Gah. I tried Hera for the first time and got my clock cleaned.

*grumble* Need more levels I suppose (GrOdin 47, Bluebirds 36, Gold Keeper, 2 Rainbow Keepers and Amaterasu as the sidekick). The sync'd devils didn't exactly help either.

[Fax Celestis]

The other option is to get a bunch of HP from somewhere. My first few trips through, I led with Shaitan on an all red team, so I had like 30k HP. I can put up Shaitan (if you have a bunch of reds) or Mitsuki (if you have a bunch of healers) if you want.

EDIT: Shaitan is up.

[tyckspoon]

Gah. I tried Hera for the first time and got my clock cleaned.

*grumble* Need more levels I suppose (GrOdin 47, Bluebirds 36, Gold Keeper, 2 Rainbow Keepers and Amaterasu as the sidekick). The sync'd devils didn't exactly help either.

If you have a low-cooldown burst monster around (Demons are the easiest to get ahold of if you've been working on any) those help immensely in getting through the trash waves. Otherwise.. well, you need to be lucky with your attack timers, and make sure you take out whatever the easiest to kill monster is first. That trash is pretty tense when you're trying for a relatively early first Hera.

[Fax Celestis]

Come on, Sapphire Dragons tomorrow. Fax needs a new set of Bubblies.

*prays for mojo*

[Jurai]

http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq60/Jurai_Madman/Bubbl.png
http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq60/Jurai_Madman/MojoJoj.png

[Erloas]

Come on, Sapphire Dragons tomorrow. Fax needs a new set of Bubblies.
I saw you post that earlier, but I'm not sure *why* you want to make that team. The king slimes are only good for their active skill, their stats suck. And while their active skill is very good you can't use more than one at a time anyway. I think you would be much better off with one King for the boss and stronger subs for everything else.

Granted you might not have a full set of Physicals of just blue, but since you don't have any orb changers in the team anyway (well Blue Sonia does, but slow enough that it is practical only for the boss) you'll probably want to diversify your colors at least a little bit. A set of Ultimate Evo'd ogre's of your choice would be a reasonable option until you get some of the stronger subs like Siegfried, and Ultimate of Megalodon and the Aurora dragon both gain the Physical subtype. And if you make all 6 combos of Ogres then you can customize the colors and active skill for whatever dungeon you are doing.

edit: Also I updated my Padherder account again to check my +eggs, I'm at 216. I forget my exact number of days played but I'm somewhere around 1.7 +s per day.

[Fax Celestis]

I saw you post that earlier, but I'm not sure *why* you want to make that team. The king slimes are only good for their active skill, their stats suck. And while their active skill is very good you can't use more than one at a time anyway. I think you would be much better off with one King for the boss and stronger subs for everything else.

Granted you might not have a full set of Physicals of just blue, but since you don't have any orb changers in the team anyway (well Blue Sonia does, but slow enough that it is practical only for the boss) you'll probably want to diversify your colors at least a little bit. A set of Ultimate Evo'd ogre's of your choice would be a reasonable option until you get some of the stronger subs like Siegfried, and Ultimate of Megalodon and the Aurora dragon both gain the Physical subtype. And if you make all 6 combos of Ogres then you can customize the colors and active skill for whatever dungeon you are doing.

edit: Also I updated my Padherder account again to check my +eggs, I'm at 216. I forget my exact number of days played but I'm somewhere around 1.7 +s per day.

Well, sure, they're not that strong, but as of right now I don't have much in the way of physicals, especially in blue. I'm planning on using them as placeholders while I learn how to actually play the team, then feed them to one another as I build up some replacements (probably Ice Ogres -> Blazing Ice/Wood Ice Ogre to start with, like you suggested, but Aurora Dragon and BB Leviathan are on my future list) in the hope for awakenings and skillups.

[Beacon of Chaos]

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I also have 70 friends that are currently +200 and above :smallbiggrin:
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http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq60/Jurai_Madman/Bubbl.png
http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq60/Jurai_Madman/MojoJoj.png
*snerk* Nice.

[Kauai]

Man, I am LOVING having F/D Shiva along with the 2 Ronias. I've been trying to find a build to take into trifruits, and finally figured one out. The main issue I have right now is having relatively low levels on the monsters that make up the team, but I figured I'd try it anyway. So my build is F/D Shiva (+1 egg, fully awoken, lvl 62)/2 Ronias (both max awakenings, base level, no plusses, lvls 53 and 44)/Gigas (not the evo'd one, lvl 60, no plusses, skill lvl 6 so one shy from max)/CLM Echidna (+2 eggs, no awakenings, skill lvl 5 so 1 shy from max, lvl 78) with friend lead Ronia (highest level I can find that is max awoken). Even with my relatively low levels, it's pretty much easy farm mode for the dungeon. I was very surprised with that. Zero stoned it twice, and luckily got baby tamas in both runs. :smallsmile: (Got a green and a blue fruit, and I'm chasing the reds for Ronia skillups. Oh well, can't really complain due to the tamas.)

Very simple strat. With all the awakenings Gigas' skill is up at the start of the dungeon, so first floor is just matching 5 red orbs which sweeps everything except the dragon fruit. Got orb trolled the second time around so fired up Gigas to have enough red. Then stall if possible and finish off the dragon fruit before it hits. Floor 2 is the same, try to match 5 orbs again or red plus combos to sweep the floor. Floor 3 is lead with Echidna, target dragon fruit and combo as strong as possible with red to burn down everything except the tama (for me, both times the tama ended up at about 1/2 health). Then it's stall till all skills are up. Echidna can't be used on the last floor, so as soon as she's free and all binds are at 3 or less, use the delay and wait for binds to clear. Then burn down the tama. Last floor, use one Ronia and Shiva and do at least 2 red rows. That burns down the green trifruit, about half of the blue, and over 3/4 of the red. Use second Ronia and again do at least 2 red rows. The first time I went through that was enough to clear. The second time I was left with about 1/4 health on the blue fruit. At that point, the 5 round skill lock kicked in and it was a matter of staying healed and trying to chip away at the remaining health. After the skill lock wore off, used the last Ronia and clear.

Excited to have a viable team to farm trifruits. Also looks to be a decent place to at least have a chance at a tama each run. It should get even easier once I actually have the Ronias and Shiva at decent levels. Next on the list is to try and figure out a zero-stone team for twinlits.

[SiuiS]

I'm not sure how the Orb Enhances work out, but IIRC 3 Row Enhance is just below the breakpoint for where you want to be looking for full rows instead of breaking up your combos. Useful for situations where you want to be making multiattacks anyway, not so good for enhancing your single-target damage.


Also an interesting variant of the match-colors-for-bonus leader skill and bringing a Bind-immune damage reduction skill to colors that aren't Susanoo. I can see these things being pretty popular. But man, 3 Golden Keepers? That's an expensive evo.

I'm trailing behind you, myself! I could possibly make a go of it with Hera-Uruz//red Sonja, but I'm not sure yet. Still need to pump up my Twinlits team first! Slow going but I'm getting there. The existence of Angelion on my team is a huge boon, although now I suddenly don't care a luck about survey 8 <__<"

Row enhance is fun though. Def want to roll with that stuff on the future~ I'm also interested in Green again, what with Perseus, sasuke, Parvati, cu Chulain, and Hercules. I'm wondering about the viability of a wood primary physical team? Parvati, Hercules seem the obvious choices, but then there's also Asgard.

[Jasmine]

Pretty busy today, went bowling with the SO (got a 166, which I believe is a personal best) so only spent 3 stones on Hera. Picked up 2 mystic lights and 2 mystic waters as well, which was nice.
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[SiuiS]

Found an interesting team for Gaia Descends using double robin. (http://youtu.be/ipxW2uHdDvI) while it's a viable strategy, what I'm really showcasing here is the orb skill, wherein certain patterns are repeated often enough that they can be dissected. The corner case staggered layout, turning diagonals into a good 5 combos plus whatever you've got on the other side of the board, is pretty useful and definitely something to practice with a robin-style play form. Also, dissecting the "fun with change the world" concept for generating falling combos. Like chess, learning to play four moves ahead.


Pretty busy today, went bowling with the SO (got a 166, which I believe is a personal best) so only spent 3 stones on Hera. Picked up 2 mystic lights and 2 mystic waters as well, which was nice.
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Yeah, that's what I should have done... XD
I'm not confident enough to start smashing in Hera's face yet though. I've still spread myself too thin. I could probably get it done with my healer team but I'm relying too much on low combo chains. I'm not sure hades or Neptune are eminently beatable without expending resources, which leaves me naked and defenseless in hera's dungeon – which is only fun if you're not there to kill her.

[Starwulf]

Pretty busy today, went bowling with the SO (got a 166, which I believe is a personal best) so only spent 3 stones on Hera. Picked up 2 mystic lights and 2 mystic waters as well, which was nice.
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10 pins or Duckpins?

Made an incredibly stupid mistake on the third stage of Junos Island. Was killing the final boss, Lilith, and decided to just straight nuke her down and not worry about healing myself. Was doing fine, activated first RK's ability, but didn't notice it was about to run out, she survived my last hit with like..2% health, and then killed me because I didn't activate my second RK. I mean, she had so little health I could have finished her off with the water and fire orbs that were left on the board(I took a friends persephone). Quite irritating, I HATE wasting stamina on mundane things. I don't mind if I lose 50 stamina to a descended, especially if it's one that I really want to try, but 15 stamina to a regular dungeon that I should have destroyed just really irks me for some reason.

[Soepvork]

Just looking at Tengu (master). Seems doable with to do with three leeks+ (ideally green) poisoner/spike damager with the 'standard' treant/sylph leads. If I counted it right, three leeks should be enough to have continued reduced damage from Tengu. Not sure if this team will have enough hp take the 17 k multihit though...

[SiuiS]

You need ice armor ogre (G/B) for the wisps. I think Venomous Copperhead can help if you want poison instead; she has 1k hp, 1.1k attack to the ogre's 1.9k hp and 800 attack.

[Beacon of Chaos]

Yes! YES!!!!!!

New Ragnarok Collab! (http://www.puzzleanddragonsforum.com/showthread.php?tid=33085&pid=475838#pid475838)
http://i.imgur.com/OqUJzeL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/72h2jpS.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/sXg2Crs.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/NDClvVS.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/M9QsCpe.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/mxX0LLI.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/z763Bs8.jpg
LOL
You have no idea how happy this makes me. I loved that game. Having Moonlight Flower (the fox girl) and Baphomet (the goat demon) in this game is something I've always wanted. Shame they look like skill-up monsters.

[obryn]

Just looking at Tengu (master). Seems doable with to do with three leeks+ (ideally green) poisoner/spike damager with the 'standard' treant/sylph leads. If I counted it right, three leeks should be enough to have continued reduced damage from Tengu. Not sure if this team will have enough hp take the 17 k multihit though...
Tengu sucks. It's a terrible dungeon. I ended up cheesing it with Robin/Robin the first time around, though it cost me I think 2 stones. I hate that dungeon so much I ended up Awakening my Tengu with tamadra.

If you have DD Batman, though, that's the way to go.


Yes! YES!!!!!!

New Ragnarok Collab! (http://www.puzzleanddragonsforum.com/showthread.php?tid=33085&pid=475838#pid475838)
http://i.imgur.com/OqUJzeL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/72h2jpS.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/sXg2Crs.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/NDClvVS.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/M9QsCpe.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/mxX0LLI.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/z763Bs8.jpg
LOL
You have no idea how happy this makes me. I loved that game. Having Moonlight Flower (the fox girl) and Baphomet (the goat demon) in this game is something I've always wanted. Shame they look like skill-up monsters.
Hahaha awesome! But when they said "popular in the US" I was kinda more hoping Pokemon or Sailor Moon or something! :smallsmile:

So on the one hand, I want Ult Mastering. On the other hand ... holy cow that's a lot of materials to get him there!

[Beacon of Chaos]

Hahaha awesome! But when they said "popular in the US" I was kinda more hoping Pokemon or Sailor Moon or something! :smallsmile:

So on the one hand, I want Ult Mastering. On the other hand ... holy cow that's a lot of materials to get him there!
Who said popular in the US?

And yeah, that's kind of a ridiculous amount of porings for that evo.

[Soepvork]

Tengu sucks. It's a terrible dungeon. I ended up cheesing it with Robin/Robin the first time around, though it cost me I think 2 stones. I hate that dungeon so much I ended up Awakening my Tengu with tamadra.

If you have DD Batman, though, that's the way to go.



I agree he doesn't look terribly impressive, it would mostly just be to satisfy the collector in me. Anyway, I don't think I have the patience or the team to run it today anyway (and I would rather save my stamina for Pengdra village).

I do have a DD batman, but 'unfortunately' he is evolved...

[Erloas]

Yes! YES!!!!!!

New Ragnarok Collab! (http://www.puzzleanddragonsforum.com/showthread.php?tid=33085&pid=475838#pid475838)
http://i.imgur.com/OqUJzeL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/72h2jpS.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/sXg2Crs.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/NDClvVS.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/M9QsCpe.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/mxX0LLI.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/z763Bs8.jpg
LOL
You have no idea how happy this makes me. I loved that game. Having Moonlight Flower (the fox girl) and Baphomet (the goat demon) in this game is something I've always wanted. Shame they look like skill-up monsters.
Aren't most collab monsters skill-up monsters? If they have their own REM those monsters aren't skill-ups but almost every other one is.

[Fax Celestis]

New Ragnarok Collab![/URL]
http://i.imgur.com/OqUJzeL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/72h2jpS.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/sXg2Crs.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/NDClvVS.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/M9QsCpe.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/mxX0LLI.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/z763Bs8.jpg
LOL

She skills up my sticker girl. o_o

yeeeeeeeeeees

[Jurai]

Pengdra village ends in 10, no stones to restore Stamina, and I need THREE STAMINA! AAAARGH!

[Fax Celestis]

Oh hey, Super Gold Dragons Descended tomorrow?

[Soepvork]

Oh hey, Super Gold Dragons Descended tomorrow?

So it seems. Is it just me, or is PAD truly handing out lots of XP recently, with all the super kings and pengdra villages the last few weeks? (Not that I'm complaining :smallbiggrin:)

[Fax Celestis]

So it seems. Is it just me, or is PAD truly handing out lots of XP recently, with all the super kings and pengdra villages the last few weeks? (Not that I'm complaining :smallbiggrin:)

I think it's because of the endless bombard of collabs and descends.

[Erloas]

So it seems. Is it just me, or is PAD truly handing out lots of XP recently, with all the super kings and pengdra villages the last few weeks? (Not that I'm complaining :smallbiggrin:)

I think they have done the numbers and found what people spend stones on. Godfest, stamina for limited time dungeons like dragons/pengdra, and descends.
Even without an actual event we've had descends pretty much every weekend for a while now. And of course they stack things like Pengdra and dragons on the same days as descends so you won't have stamina for both without stones.

Probably what they find is the closer people get to finishing a new team the more likely they are to splurge to get/finish the last couple of pieces. I think that was one reason why all of the 3K gods were not balance and weren't general bonuses like combo leaders. They were attackers, physical, and healers, with limited dragon and devil. If we're any indication attacker and physical teams are relatively uncommon, and healer teams are powerful but a very big sink to get to a usable point so many people hold off on them even if they have most of the parts.

[obryn]

So it seems. Is it just me, or is PAD truly handing out lots of XP recently, with all the super kings and pengdra villages the last few weeks? (Not that I'm complaining :smallbiggrin:)
It's a definite shift from when I started!! Nowadays, we've settled into a fairly comfortable every-2-weeks-event cycle with plenty of off-event Descends and Super Kings. It's pretty nice, and as a guy with a ton of monster XP, works great for me! :smallbiggrin:

BTW, my fellow max skill Ra came up on my friends list, so I was able to head into Twinlits with my Gimmick Team.


http://i.imgur.com/IRabU0U.png
Total of 8 skill boosts; I'd rather have Blodin for a total of 9, but this works.


It worked really, really well. Another skill boost would be nice, but it went as planned.
Round 1: Guns blazing, x49 triggered. x16 would have done as well. Mythlit dropped, so that's cool.
Round 2: I had the dubs on 2 - 3 - 4 timers, so I dropped the guy on the 2 timer before he could attack. After the first round, both Ra's were ready. After the second, the first dub was dead and Echidna was up. First Ra activated. One dropped.
Round 3. Although the baby tama was on a 2 timer and I could have stalled, no real reason to at this point. Second Ra blazed through them. No drops. :smallfrown:
Round 4. Menace out of the gate. 3 rounds of attacking - 1 @ x16 and 2 @ x49 - did the trick. I had 2 rounds to spare (1 more turn of Menace, then the remaining guy would have gone Angrilit), so I wasn't particularly worried. Got a devilit I didn't need.

So... that's nice and I'm super glad I max skilled my Ra. :smallbiggrin:

[Larkas]

I just found out (through the worst way, of course) that I need a Resolve Team to try and get Dublits for my team. I'm thinking of going Ogre/Haku/Ninja/Ninja/Pengdra (because that's what I have (https://www.padherder.com/user/Larkas/monsters/) http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110820030057/templates/images/e/e8/Eusa_silenced.gif), do you guys think this is worth a shot? Let's say I won't have the Stamina to try this twice today. :smalltongue:

[Jurai]

It's a definite shift from when I started!! Nowadays, we've settled into a fairly comfortable every-2-weeks-event cycle with plenty of off-event Descends and Super Kings. It's pretty nice, and as a guy with a ton of monster XP, works great for me! :smallbiggrin:

BTW, my fellow max skill Ra came up on my friends list, so I was able to head into Twinlits with my Gimmick Team.


http://i.imgur.com/IRabU0U.png
Total of 8 skill boosts; I'd rather have Blodin for a total of 9, but this works.


It worked really, really well. Another skill boost would be nice, but it went as planned.
Round 1: Guns blazing, x49 triggered. x16 would have done as well. Mythlit dropped, so that's cool.
Round 2: I had the dubs on 2 - 3 - 4 timers, so I dropped the guy on the 2 timer before he could attack. After the first round, both Ra's were ready. After the second, the first dub was dead and Echidna was up. First Ra activated. One dropped.
Round 3. Although the baby tama was on a 2 timer and I could have stalled, no real reason to at this point. Second Ra blazed through them. No drops. :smallfrown:
Round 4. Menace out of the gate. 3 rounds of attacking - 1 @ x16 and 2 @ x49 - did the trick. I had 2 rounds to spare (1 more turn of Menace, then the remaining guy would have gone Angrilit), so I wasn't particularly worried. Got a devilit I didn't need.

So... that's nice and I'm super glad I max skilled my Ra. :smallbiggrin:

Angrilit? What's that?

[Fax Celestis]

An angelit typo.

[Jurai]

Ah, and here I was thinking it was an Emelit with muscles and a Dark orb. "ANGRILIT SMASH!"

[obryn]

Angrilit? What's that?

An angelit typo.
Nope; whenever you drop one twinlit, the other one wastes a round going into Angrilit mode (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Angrilit_%28foe%29). :smallbiggrin:

A lot of harder bosses do this. It's basically saying, "Okay, you have one round. Make it count." Both Minerva (countless bullets) and Hera-Ur (drawing magical power) do something similar on Hera-Ur.

[Erloas]

I just found out (through the worst way, of course) that I need a Resolve Team to try and get Dublits for my team. I'm thinking of going Ogre/Haku/Ninja/Ninja/Pengdra (because that's what I have (https://www.padherder.com/user/Larkas/monsters/) http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110820030057/templates/images/e/e8/Eusa_silenced.gif), do you guys think this is worth a shot? Let's say I won't have the Stamina to try this twice today. :smalltongue:
I would take both Ogres, for the extra attack. Haku doesn't really do much for you. A tamadra might be better in his place for the normal resolve method.
Of course a friendly awoken Odin would do you well too.


Angrilit? What's that?

It is their power-up ability. Happens when only 1 is left, makes their hit much stronger.

[Jurai]

Anybody have Ult Siren?

[Erloas]

Anybody have Ult Siren?
I assume you need it for the auto-heal for a resolve run?
If so, I put up GrOdin on Erl and Ameratsu on Lor, either one of those should work just as well. I also have an Angel, not really high level but has both auto-recovery's as well as the normal LD skill heal.

[Beacon of Chaos]

Oh hey, Super Gold Dragons Descended tomorrow?
Sweet! (please be at a good time)


Anybody have Ult Siren?
Mine is up for you.

[SiuiS]

Angrilit? What's that?

They perform a "I'm angry, power up!" Move when down to just one.


I would take both Ogres, for the extra attack. Haku doesn't really do much for you. A tamadra might be better in his place for the normal resolve method.
Of course a friendly awoken Odin would do you well too.


Attack does nothing for you. You want 7,000 HP minimum to survive a single dub hit, or 10,000 for a mask hit. You want the recovery to get that back when hit. The enemies have 60,000 defense so any attack value between 1 and 60,002 will all do exactly the same damage – 1 (one). So ignore it. Multiple element monsters, resolve or damage resistance, healing and high HP are the goals.


Anybody have Ult Siren?

Copyright infringement enchantress, siren is available for use. :smalltongue:

[Jurai]

FFFFFFUUUUUU--

Tried it, Resolve is useless for multiple attacks. Sackafrackingrickrastardry!

[Soepvork]

Anybody have Ult Siren?


I've put mine up (level 38, max skilled)

Edit: apparently there are lots of Ult Sirens going around :P

[Erloas]

Attack does nothing for you. You want 7,000 HP minimum to survive a single dub hit, or 10,000 for a mask hit. You want the recovery to get that back when hit. The enemies have 60,000 defense so any attack value between 1 and 60,002 will all do exactly the same damage – 1 (one). So ignore it. Multiple element monsters, resolve or damage resistance, healing and high HP are the goals.
I had him saved Padherder so I could look at the mons available for use. Has both Ice Samurai Ogre and Blazing Ice Ogre, so both ogres have a sub-color attack, so that was the extra attack I was referring to.

I don't think he can build a team with enough HP to survive, short of having a friend with 4k hp on his own, which GrOdin could do. Doesn't even have enough to do a 4xhp/RCV lead.

Speaking of which, has our newest members used their gifts yet? A snow-globe is a lot of help early on, especially for mask and spirit dungeons. You won't necessarily get one out of the present but you have a pretty good chance, especially if our newest members swap gifts.

[SiuiS]

I had him saved Padherder so I could look at the mons available for use. Has both Ice Samurai Ogre and Blazing Ice Ogre, so both ogres have a sub-color attack, so that was the extra attack I was referring to.

I don't think he can build a team with enough HP to survive, short of having a friend with 4k hp on his own, which GrOdin could do. Doesn't even have enough to do a 4xhp/RCV lead.

Speaking of which, has our newest members used their gifts yet? A snow-globe is a lot of help early on, especially for mask and spirit dungeons. You won't necessarily get one out of the present but you have a pretty good chance, especially if our newest members swap gifts.

Oh, yes, totally. Sorry I misunderstood. And the active skill downtimes works too.

GOdin is best now. A team of all ogres can have a lot of HP and be safe. But it takes effort. They are hard to level at that point.

Sorry Jurai, could have told you about multiple hits D:
The trick is you always focus fire and you always nail the lowest countdown with everything you have. It helps to have a monocolor team.

[Larkas]

Thanks a lot, Erloas! I was aiming at low HP/high RCV & ATK to be able to recover past Resolve threshold fast and take down a Dublit more easily in case two attacked at the same time, but I guess you're right. No amount of ATK will be able to properly damage those bad guys more, in any case (in my case, at least), and having more attacks/monster is just better in this case. Well, I'll just need a friendly GrOdin in an hour or so, then. Could anyone please help me out? :smallredface:

Anyways, I should've got that gift at Rank 20, right? I got nothing. D=

[SiuiS]

Message me in game when you need it, I'll put mine up. If the rest have theirs up though, he's better. Has autoheal!

[Erloas]

Well, I'll just need a friendly GrOdin in an hour or so, then. Could anyone please help me out? :smallredface:

Anyways, I should've got that gift at Rank 20, right? I got nothing. D=
I can keep mine up, but I will probably have to refresh to get it to show up for you closer to when you need it due to level differences.

You don't get the gift automatically, it shows up as a present that you can give to someone else once you hit 20. I *think* it is on the bottom of the Friend page. When you give someone the present you also get a present, so if you can find one other newer person who hasn't used theirs yet you can send them one and they can send you one back and that way you both get two.

I think the only options are the Noel (snow-globe) dragons or the starter dragons, and all come with a +3 to one stat.

[Fax Celestis]

You have got to be kidding me. I've run Shrine of Sprites like six times today, not a single dubmyth. I just need one, so I can uvo Bastet. I'm def. not trying Master Ancient Light Dragon without uvoing her, either.

[Larkas]

Thanks, guys! I already have the needed Stamina, so if one of you could put GrOdin up for me, I'd greatly appreciate it! Just give me a shout when you do so I can run the dungeon ASAP and let you guys get on with your games :smallredface:

And I do have a present to give away! Does anyone still have theirs for us to trade?

Lastly, just noticed the thread's tags. Love 'em! :smallbiggrin:

EDIT: Thanks for the help, Erloas! Alas, it wasn't meant to be. I faced a trio of dublits. Two attacked together and the third went the next round. I never got to recover, and Resolve didn't do a thing for me. :smallfrown: Oh, well, maybe next Friday.

[Fax Celestis]

You have got to be kidding me. I've run Shrine of Sprites like six times today, not a single dubmyth. I just need one, so I can uvo Bastet. I'm def. not trying Master Ancient Light Dragon without uvoing her, either.

SEVEN! Ffffffffffffffffffffff

Guess I'll try again at 6. Really don't want to stone for stamina.

[Erloas]

SEVEN! Ffffffffffffffffffffff

Guess I'll try again at 6. Really don't want to stone for stamina.
Haven't we said on many occasions that the Wednesday and Friday dungeons are hardly worth doing except on event days?
I hardly even run them on event days now, its just a painful slaughter of your stamina.
I know the endless hunt for evo material is what put me behind some of the others in this thread that started the same time I did. I also remember many times early on where I would push and push to get the evo material for something, evolve it, and then have to change my team completely because I couldn't hold the new team cost anyway.

I even really need several dub-myth on both accounts for evolutions or ultimates where that is the only thing I'm missing. But it is just not worth it. After all, I'm able to do all sorts of things without that dub-myth (as I'm sure you are) so it isn't that vital. But almost 200 stamina for hunting a single evo mat? That is enough to level and have more stamina to do other things. Now with stamina sinks like that I will do a run just before or after a level or bed and not the rest of the time. Before if it won't put me too far off of leveling, and just after so I can at least make some progress on the level, earn monster exp, etc. for the level.

[Fax Celestis]

Yeah, I know. I largely ignored the other dailies this week, and I'd be ignoring this one if I didn't want to make a solid go at Ancient Light Dragon. But like I said, I'm not doing it without Uvo'd Bastet: that's a lot of damage I'd be missing out on. Thankfully I prepped for this: I pushed really close to ranking up yesterday, ran it a few times, then ran a regular dungeon for XP, ranked up, and ran it some more. So I'm really only missing out on like a day's worth of stuff.

[Jasmine]

I'm not confident enough to start smashing in Hera's face yet though. I've still spread myself too thin. I could probably get it done with my healer team but I'm relying too much on low combo chains. I'm not sure hades or Neptune are eminently beatable without expending resources, which leaves me naked and defenseless in hera's dungeon – which is only fun if you're not there to kill her.
I think Hera speedfarm healer teams rely heavily on 1 or 2 max skilled valks. Hades spends 6 turns looking at you so you can orbchange going in, match 1 of random orbs for 4 turns and kill him on the fifth, and all your orbchange will be back up. Neptune...I think you need 4x3? But yeah, levels and skillups would help. My horus runthroughs take about 8-12 minutes (it's actually faster when I stall successfully, cause if I don't have skills on Hera I have to plan and match more carefully). I've heard good valk teams breeze through in 5-7 min though.


10 pins or Duckpins?
10 pins (I actually had to look up what duckpins were, I don't think it's played here). Not a super high score, but I only bowl like once a year, so I'm happy with it :)


So on the one hand, I want Ult Mastering. On the other hand ... holy cow that's a lot of materials to get him there!
The little ones are poring, not mastering, right? 5 runs on legend isn't so bad - 250 stam might be less than what you need for a super gunma.


I agree (tengu) doesn't look terribly impressive, it would mostly just be to satisfy the collector in me.
I think he's actually pretty good. Niche but very powerful leader skill, as well as triple skill boosts. A couple of the legendary earth strats rely on him. His dungeon sucks. Low cost is ew.

@Jurai/Larkas
What's the difficulty with the sprites? Might want to review the resolve strategy, since it has pretty near a 100% success rate. A few mistakes I think you might be making is 1. Not concentrating on a color (ie blue ogre, bluemaskx4, siren) for easier management 2. rushing and not storing blue (or your main color) orbs for future use (you can store up to 16 safely, squares of 4 in the corners) and 3. not using mass attacks to ping down all 3 at the same time. I'd also go with friend autohealer with your ogre, because chances are you don't have the healer to complement a friend odin.

[obryn]

The little ones are poring, not mastering, right? 5 runs on legend isn't so bad - 250 stam might be less than what you need for a super gunma.
Nope. That's 5 Masterings. Plus your original Mastering. So you need 10 porings, then 5 of each of drops, ghostring, marin, and poporing. 500 stamina. I guess it could be more, but really - you will have that many after 10 runs!

I'm going to do this anyway when Poring Tower rolls around again, of course, because I'm obsessive like that and I'm actually using him. :smallsigh:

[Larkas]

@Jurai/Larkas
What's the difficulty with the sprites? Might want to review the resolve strategy, since it has pretty near a 100% success rate. A few mistakes I think you might be making is 1. Not concentrating on a color (ie blue ogre, bluemaskx4, siren) for easier management 2. rushing and not storing blue (or your main color) orbs for future use (you can store up to 16 safely, squares of 4 in the corners) and 3. not using mass attacks to ping down all 3 at the same time. I'd also go with friend autohealer with your ogre, because chances are you don't have the healer to complement a friend odin.

Tried again now, and that almost worked. I couldn't kill the trio of dublits fast enough, however... I guess I'll have to make my monsters a bit stronger before tackling that. I'll try to whip up a mono-color team too, since the one I'm making now is geared towards Haku (i.e.: R/B/K). Eh, maybe next week.

[Jasmine]

Nope. That's 5 Masterings. Plus your original Mastering. So you need 10 porings, then 5 of each of drops, ghostring, marin, and poporing. 500 stamina. I guess it could be more, but really - you will have that many after 10 runs!

Ew. Well, I supposed 2 of the masterings will be used for awakening anyways, so I'd only need 3 extra. He WILL get the awakenings..right...? Well, as long as poring tower comes for long enough. I'd like to have the other stuff around to skill up my other mons...


Tried again now, and that almost worked. I couldn't kill the trio of dublits fast enough, however... I guess I'll have to make my monsters a bit stronger before tackling that. I'll try to whip up a mono-color team too, since the one I'm making now is geared towards Haku (i.e.: R/B/K). Eh, maybe next week.
How is that possible? The worst case scenario on fourth floor is triple dubs on a 2 timer, which can easily be wiped out if you have at least 5 of a color and do 2 mass attacks. Worst case scenario again on fifth floor is 2 dubs on 2 timer and a dubmyth on a 5 timer. You take out one of the dubs with two single matches of 3 - 16 orbs total. Then you need 6 more orbs to drop over the course of 7 turns (to take out the other normal dub), which is quite easy, and this is the very worst case scenario.

As Starwulf (and one other person, I forgot who) pointed out before, these progression screwing "gimmicky/specialized" teams really bring out the puzzling aspect of the game. Wed and Fri expert dungeons are doable your first day playing with a level 4 ogre and 4 evo materials/slimes/carbuncles, as long as you can find a healer friend, of which there are tons on the forums. It teaches you orb management - when to stall and when to smash - in a low risk environment, which will be very helpful later. As nonsensical as it sounds, sometimes you do go faster by slowing down. There's no shame in spending 10 seconds or even a minute studying a move - I remember very long ago there was a post where Siuis? Diego? spent like an hour per move in takeminakata.

[obryn]

Ew. Well, I supposed 2 of the masterings will be used for awakening anyways, so I'd only need 3 extra. He WILL get the awakenings..right...? Well, as long as poring tower comes for long enough. I'd like to have the other stuff around to skill up my other mons..
Nobody actually knows. It's never come up before. :) I've seen speculation that it won't because they are all consumed in the Ult Evo, and awakenings are checked afterwards. That's all just a guess, though.

Mine's already fully awoken from the last poring tower...

e: And yep, Takeminakata can be your first descend if you have Robin or any other decent combo leader. But it takes puzzling, for sure.

It also improves your game. Shows you patterns and the like.

For example, I learned a lot from playing Ra. I pretty much had to. But now, no matter what team I'm playing these days, I'm also kind of playing Ra. DQXQ and Horus activations I mostly consider, "playing the game well," because it teaches you to clear orbs you don't need as well as those you do and you'll be a better overall player once you learn them and apply the same skills even to monocolor teams.

[Larkas]

How is that possible? The worst case scenario on fourth floor is triple dubs on a 2 timer, which can easily be wiped out if you have at least 5 of a color and do 2 mass attacks. Worst case scenario again on fifth floor is 2 dubs on 2 timer and a dubmyth on a 5 timer. You take out one of the dubs with two single matches of 3 - 16 orbs total. Then you need 6 more orbs to drop over the course of 7 turns (to take out the other normal dub), which is quite easy, and this is the very worst case scenario.

You do realize that I started playing the game last week, right? :smallbiggrin: I think I just don't have the firepower. Killed all 4 corners at once with a full Red team and couldn't take out the green dublit. I think I'll have to level my monsters more evenly.

[tyckspoon]

You do realize that I started playing the game last week, right? :smallbiggrin: I think I just don't have the firepower. Killed all 4 corners at once with a full Red team and couldn't take out the green dublit. I think I'll have to level my monsters more evenly.

Won't really make a difference to Dublits, although getting more dual-color monsters helps. Don't be discouraged; the Resolve strategy minimizes the chance of failure, but there's no guarantee.. you get more than one Dublit popping up on a 2-turn starting timer, and it largely takes luck to get the orbs you need to clear them before you get smacked. That or really careful orb management on the floor prior, but most people who need to Resolve through spirit and mask dungeons aren't really expected to have the skill at that yet.

(That said, what team are you actually using for this?)


Edit: And today's story of Tyck Does Something Really Stupid (and Almost Gets Rewarded For it): Took my Red team into Legend Ancient Light Dragon. This is of course a Tricolor dungeon which does not contain Red. However, my default Red team contains 3 orb-changers as well as Black and Green subcolors, so I actually made it through to the boss (got a Unicorn invade instead of Lilith. Much easier to kill.) I made the mistake of prodding him into enrage before I had my full assortment of burst tools back up and wasn't able to keep up with his damage output. Decided stoning for that particular bit of idiocy would be, well, a bit of idiocy and let myself die.. although if I hadn't already gotten a Unicorn earlier I would have considered it.

[Jasmine]

You do realize that I started playing the game last week, right? :smallbiggrin: I think I just don't have the firepower. Killed all 4 corners at once with a full Red team and couldn't take out the green dublit. I think I'll have to level my monsters more evenly.
Yeah, I see what you're doing wrong. You only want to use 5 orbs for a mass attack - save the rest of them for future moves. You're not going to be breaking defense with an ogre team. Remember how I said you can do it with a level 4 ogre and 4 masks (or any low hp monster you have around)? I did it on my second day of playing after reading a guide - that's why I recommended for you to check - logical, seemingly intuitive actions like trying to kill them with as many as orbs as possible are actually a bad idea.

Sorry if it sounds like I'm condescending. Troubleshooting often sounds like a bunch of retarded questions, but sometimes the littlest things can be the cause of all the problems - in your case, spending too many orbs at once.

[Starwulf]

10 pins (I actually had to look up what duckpins were, I don't think it's played here). Not a super high score, but I only bowl like once a year, so I'm happy with it :)


Hehe. Anytime someone mentions bowling, I always have to ask, as I'm an ex-amateur professional bowler for duckpins(I know that sounds weird, but I don't feel I have the right to call myself a Pro when I had only just been getting into making actual money before I went into the military and then never went back). Made about $800 in two years(and disqualified myself from playing sports my 11th and 12th grade year because of it) while bowling with the real pros, which isn't bad at all considering I didn't do any traveling, just local stuff. I was literally a prodigy though. Best bowler in the tri-state area in my age range, I have countless trophies from countless tournaments hosted across MD/PA/WV that I was involved in and(almost always) won. Sadly I can't bowl anymore due to my back injury, but man do I miss it, it was the one thing in this life that I was truly great at.

Anyways, sucks, didn't get to do anything today, wasn't home at all, so I'm on maxed stamina, and likely have been since about 6pm ><

[SiuiS]

Nope. That's 5 Masterings. Plus your original Mastering. So you need 10 porings, then 5 of each of drops, ghostring, marin, and poporing. 500 stamina. I guess it could be more, but really - you will have that many after 10 runs!

I'm going to do this anyway when Poring Tower rolls around again, of course, because I'm obsessive like that and I'm actually using him. :smallsigh:

Me too. A better mastering? Ye~ah!
I'll also get four more masterings for the ultimate team of mastering x6, for that delicious 168,750 hp farming team XD


Tried again now, and that almost worked. I couldn't kill the trio of dublits fast enough, however... I guess I'll have to make my monsters a bit stronger before tackling that. I'll try to whip up a mono-color team too, since the one I'm making now is geared towards Haku (i.e.: R/B/K). Eh, maybe next week.

Hmm. You should have six attacks of primary color, and at least two attacks from secondary color. That should let you kill one dub every 1.3 turns; you'll still die if all three are on a two-timer, but if it's 2/2/3 you'll live by te skin of your teeth.
My team to handle these dungeons was this;

http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee468/WizardPony/PAD/56FDBA0F-51E5-4507-87FC-3C2EBEAD4E72.png

The ogres have dual elements, which doubles my output. Having several of each primary color means if I miss a color on the board. Having all those active skills means I can shoot pretty hard at regular spirits or masks. Before mastering I used another ogre (for resolve) but currently have an HP boost. Bane is a cheat; he's a low output defense bypasser, similar to using poison.

I can stall on the basic spirits for a few turns because who cares? They do, like, 3 damage. Stall to bring skills closer, then I've got a nuclear option in case things go bad. The general build works pretty quickly and can be put together almost as soon as you get far enough to start capturing the evolved ogres directly. :smallsmile:

[Academia]

Hehe. Anytime someone mentions bowling, I always have to ask, as I'm an ex-amateur professional bowler for duckpins(I know that sounds weird, but I don't feel I have the right to call myself a Pro when I had only just been getting into making actual money before I went into the military and then never went back). Made about $800 in two years(and disqualified myself from playing sports my 11th and 12th grade year because of it) while bowling with the real pros, which isn't bad at all considering I didn't do any traveling, just local stuff. I was literally a prodigy though. Best bowler in the tri-state area in my age range, I have countless trophies from countless tournaments hosted across MD/PA/WV that I was involved in and(almost always) won. Sadly I can't bowl anymore due to my back injury, but man do I miss it, it was the one thing in this life that I was truly great at.

Anyways, sucks, didn't get to do anything today, wasn't home at all, so I'm on maxed stamina, and likely have been since about 6pm ><

Oh snap. Which base are you in? Im in Ft. Sam Huston.

Aca

[SiuiS]

I think Starwulf isn't currently active; this felt like an explanation of past actions. Bowling > military > current.


*


Hera ur is now evolved, which means in on the fast track to dropping another 3k hp and decent stats and skills into Haku. In fact, I've got a Noel rouge just waiting for this very moment... Ha! Level 1 to 61, 2700 hp already. Lovin' it~

Default Haku team now sits at 11k, enough to bypass most barriers. May just start pulling her along for Twinlits and hoping for the best, from now on. IFF I can stall long enough for gravity. Sharpen your blade, Graceful Rose. We're hunting Hera next chance we get...


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Gimmick Haku team for Zeus seems functional. Haku//Haku, echidna echidna vampire jester dragon. Not as good as if I had Orochi, but close. The stall should provide enough time to get to Zeus, and enough time at Zeus to pull of some attacks. Theoretically feasible but my levels are too low. Still, if I luck out and get only red and green Chimerae I could do it. Unfortunately, I got a green and blue and got facerolled.
Still. Worth trying.

[Beacon of Chaos]

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i93/DiegoHavoc/IMG_05681.png (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/DiegoHavoc/media/IMG_05681.png.html)
I don't know this person. :smalleek:


I remember very long ago there was a post where Siuis? Diego? spent like an hour per move in takeminakata.
Indeed. It was 8 combos or bust on that dungeon, so we spent a lot of time on research and messing about on a simulator.

[Larkas]

Won't really make a difference to Dublits, although getting more dual-color monsters helps. Don't be discouraged; the Resolve strategy minimizes the chance of failure, but there's no guarantee.. you get more than one Dublit popping up on a 2-turn starting timer, and it largely takes luck to get the orbs you need to clear them before you get smacked. That or really careful orb management on the floor prior, but most people who need to Resolve through spirit and mask dungeons aren't really expected to have the skill at that yet.

(That said, what team are you actually using for this?)

That was actually what happened twice. I thought it was the way the dungeon went! Both times, I get to the third battle and two Dublits appear at 2 and the third at 3. IIRC, both times I survived those attacks, but the third will always finish me off.

The team I tried using for it was this (http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/simulator.asp?q=310.32.1.0.0.0.2..312.28.1.0.0.0.2 ..3.17.1.0.0.0.0..57.25.1.0.0.0.0..147.1.1.0.0.0.0 ..363.99.1.0.0.0.0..). I tried to maximize my Fire attack with this, but used GrOdin as a way to survive the onslaught. Please note that the second time around I used a friendly Empress of Serpents, Echidna to bank even further on fire, without sucess. :smallfrown:


Yeah, I see what you're doing wrong. You only want to use 5 orbs for a mass attack - save the rest of them for future moves. You're not going to be breaking defense with an ogre team. Remember how I said you can do it with a level 4 ogre and 4 masks (or any low hp monster you have around)? I did it on my second day of playing after reading a guide - that's why I recommended for you to check - logical, seemingly intuitive actions like trying to kill them with as many as orbs as possible are actually a bad idea.

Sorry if it sounds like I'm condescending. Troubleshooting often sounds like a bunch of retarded questions, but sometimes the littlest things can be the cause of all the problems - in your case, spending too many orbs at once.

Oh. OOOOOOOOH! I thought I had to kill all the orbs at once! :smalleek: So maybe that's the problem. :smallfrown: And no worries, it didn't sound condescending. :smallsmile:


Hmm. You should have six attacks of primary color, and at least two attacks from secondary color. That should let you kill one dub every 1.3 turns; you'll still die if all three are on a two-timer, but if it's 2/2/3 you'll live by te skin of your teeth.
My team to handle these dungeons was this;

http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee468/WizardPony/PAD/56FDBA0F-51E5-4507-87FC-3C2EBEAD4E72.png

The ogres have dual elements, which doubles my output. Having several of each primary color means if I miss a color on the board. Having all those active skills means I can shoot pretty hard at regular spirits or masks. Before mastering I used another ogre (for resolve) but currently have an HP boost. Bane is a cheat; he's a low output defense bypasser, similar to using poison.

I can stall on the basic spirits for a few turns because who cares? They do, like, 3 damage. Stall to bring skills closer, then I've got a nuclear option in case things go bad. The general build works pretty quickly and can be put together almost as soon as you get far enough to start capturing the evolved ogres directly. :smallsmile:

Hmmmm, interesting... Maybe I should ultimate evolve more Ogres, then? Regardless, the active skills of both my Ogres didn't do much against the dublits it did hit. It may have taken out some 10% of the opponents life, at most! :smallconfused: Anyways, indeed, setting up on the basic sprites seemed like the way to go! They didn't do much damage at all. I think I might've messed up on the next step.

[SiuiS]

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i93/DiegoHavoc/IMG_05681.png (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/DiegoHavoc/media/IMG_05681.png.html)
I don't know this person. :smalleek:


Well, huh. Weird. Especially since... You know... You have to friend someone to send a message?

Troll 'em. "Not yet, no. The plan was pushed back to the next solstice. Omens weren't good." ;D


Indeed. It was 8 combos or bust on that dungeon, so we spent a lot of time on research and messing about on a simulator.

Gosh! Fun, engaging educational, exhausting. It was amazing and I learned so very much! But I'm not trying that ever again, until I get better at diagonal moves. But good golly I learned a lot about viewing he board.



Oh. OOOOOOOOH! I thought I had to kill all the orbs at once! :smalleek: So maybe that's the problem. :smallfrown: And no worries, it didn't sound condescending. :smallsmile:


That might be it! Basic orb math is that a 1x3 (one combo of three orbs) will do 100% damage to one monster, and using five orbs (1x5) will do damage to all monsters. You'll get a different animation (explosion for fire, field of razor needles for water, tornados for wood, nova for darkness, lightning pillar for light). The two prong attack awoken skill is a middle ground letting one monster make two attacks instead of just one or just everyone.

So what you want to do is make one combo with your primary color of 5 orbs. This will hit all monsters. You also want to clear out as many orbs of other colors as possible to give you more room on the board for primary colors to drop.

Here's a video showcasing an awful lot of effort (http://youtu.be/8zTXP_tfmnw) at the basic multiattack. I like this orb color saving, think I'll try that.

[sana]

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i93/DiegoHavoc/IMG_05681.png (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/DiegoHavoc/media/IMG_05681.png.html)
I don't know this person. :smalleek:


It's the title of a Christian movie, some churches called upon the masses to spam that everywhere they could.

Saying more about it would probably be against the board rules.

[Beacon of Chaos]

Well, huh. Weird. Especially since... You know... You have to friend someone to send a message?

Troll 'em. "Not yet, no. The plan was pushed back to the next solstice. Omens weren't good." ;D
Oh, they were on my friendlist, but I'd never spoken to them before, and I knew they weren't from here. This cryptic message just came out of the blue.

And I wish I'd thought of that, but no. I just asked them what the hell they were on about.


It's the title of a Christian movie, some churches called upon the masses to spam that everywhere they could.

Saying more about it would probably be against the board rules.
Yeah, this was the response I got. My message back was along the lines of "Okay, so why are you quoting movies at me?". I've yet to hear back.


Anyway, I've managed to get a good 7 stones from challenge dungeons this week, so I'm ready for tomorrow night when I spend all of them on stamina for Watery Temptress. Oof, that's gonna be tedious.

[Fax Celestis]

Made it through ancient light dragon master with non-uvo Bastet. No dragon, but I got a unicorn, so it wasn't a total loss.

[tyckspoon]

The team I tried using for it was this (http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/simulator.asp?q=310.32.1.0.0.0.2..312.28.1.0.0.0.2 ..3.17.1.0.0.0.0..57.25.1.0.0.0.0..147.1.1.0.0.0.0 ..363.99.1.0.0.0.0..).


Hmm. It's usually done with an autohealer friend leader - one of the endstage evolution Healer Girls (Siren/Archangel/Alraune) or Amaterasu. The team you're using now can survive a turn of synced hits (Odin works from full health, Resolve works if you're over 70% health, so Odin buffers the first hit and then you should still be over the mark for Resolve) but you basically can't recover health fast enough to survive a hit after that, so you're into do-or-die once you take those two hits. The autohealer team can't handle being hit twice in the same turn, but a sufficiently strong healer ensures that you are always over the mark to activate Resolve and thus can never be killed as long as you are only taking a single hit each round. IIRC the worst situation for that team, aside from getting all 3 4th floor dublits synced up on 2, is if you blow all your orbs killing 4 and then have nothing saved for the dark/light Dublits on 5.

[obryn]

0 to 2 unicorns in 2 runs. Maybe I should run it a few more times....

[Beacon of Chaos]

Excellent! Maxed out my second monster (Valkyrie) thanks to Super Golds.

[SiuiS]

0 to 2 unicorns in 2 runs. Maybe I should run it a few more times....

Yeah. I ran it on a lark and got a unicorn, but that means the pressure is on to actually win. So, uh, hey, how do I beat master level Laophraig? He goes from 3.3 million to 1.67 million with both gravities, but then I have to be wary of gettig nuked...

Team is duke vampire//rebel lucifer (thanks Diego!), Hera, Hera isa, Hera Uruz, king baddie. Help?


Hmm. Actually, looking at it I could probably just tank Laophraig's shots until he performs his power up, which means he's at 75% (2.6mil). Then double gravity cuts that to 1.2mil, then Morningstar brings him to 613k. The question is, can I use king baddie to pull out six hundred thousand damage?

Holy smokes! I pulled it off. Barely, too; I got stupid and knocked him to just below 75% with my third combo, safety would have come better from getting him to 76% and then smashing his face to provoke power up. Still, got him killed and got the drop, so I've got a unicorn and a whiskey dragon! Woo!

[obryn]

Holy smokes! I pulled it off. Barely, too; I got stupid and knocked him to just below 75% with my third combo, safety would have come better from getting him to 76% and then smashing his face to provoke power up. Still, got him killed and got the drop, so I've got a unicorn and a whiskey dragon! Woo!
CONGRATS! Good going.

My Super Golds are in about an hour or so. First priority is maxing out DQXQ. From there, I want to boost Apollo since I ...um... apparently got Apollo a while back and forgot about him, but he's awesome for my Kirin team. (Melting two useless orb colors and physical? Heck yeah!)

[Starwulf]

Yeah. I ran it on a lark and got a unicorn, but that means the pressure is on to actually win. So, uh, hey, how do I beat master level Laophraig? He goes from 3.3 million to 1.67 million with both gravities, but then I have to be wary of gettig nuked...

Team is duke vampire//rebel lucifer (thanks Diego!), Hera, Hera isa, Hera Uruz, king baddie. Help?


Hmm. Actually, looking at it I could probably just tank Laophraig's shots until he performs his power up, which means he's at 75% (2.6mil). Then double gravity cuts that to 1.2mil, then Morningstar brings him to 613k. The question is, can I use king baddie to pull out six hundred thousand damage?

Holy smokes! I pulled it off. Barely, too; I got stupid and knocked him to just below 75% with my third combo, safety would have come better from getting him to 76% and then smashing his face to provoke power up. Still, got him killed and got the drop, so I've got a unicorn and a whiskey dragon! Woo!

Congrats :) Also, pthp, I beat ya to it for a change! LOL. Grats on the unicorn, I actually saw my first one this morning, after 6 total runs. Was pretty happy, while it cuts down on the offensive power of 2x LMetas, it adds a TON of survivability with that 2x HP. I don't even run Legend now, as apparently the Master level is more exp/stam efficient, and I don't need anymore of the dragon since I already fully awakened mine(nice thing about monsters that drop fully evolved! Wish Hera/Hera-is did that >< Nooo, if you want to awaken them, it's either waste 700k exp and evo mats, or tamas ><)

Is Ancient Light Dragon getting 2x drop rate tomorrow for it's last day? If so, I might actually do the Legend run a few times in the hopes of snagging a Lilith, really want one, but I'm not going to waste the stamina if it's not 2x drop.

[Larkas]

That might be it! Basic orb math is that a 1x3 (one combo of three orbs) will do 100% damage to one monster, and using five orbs (1x5) will do damage to all monsters. You'll get a different animation (explosion for fire, field of razor needles for water, tornados for wood, nova for darkness, lightning pillar for light). The two prong attack awoken skill is a middle ground letting one monster make two attacks instead of just one or just everyone.

So what you want to do is make one combo with your primary color of 5 orbs. This will hit all monsters. You also want to clear out as many orbs of other colors as possible to give you more room on the board for primary colors to drop.

Here's a video showcasing an awful lot of effort (http://youtu.be/8zTXP_tfmnw) at the basic multiattack. I like this orb color saving, think I'll try that.

Whoa, nice vid! I'll try to do like that guy next time!


Hmm. It's usually done with an autohealer friend leader - one of the endstage evolution Healer Girls (Siren/Archangel/Alraune) or Amaterasu. The team you're using now can survive a turn of synced hits (Odin works from full health, Resolve works if you're over 70% health, so Odin buffers the first hit and then you should still be over the mark for Resolve) but you basically can't recover health fast enough to survive a hit after that, so you're into do-or-die once you take those two hits. The autohealer team can't handle being hit twice in the same turn, but a sufficiently strong healer ensures that you are always over the mark to activate Resolve and thus can never be killed as long as you are only taking a single hit each round. IIRC the worst situation for that team, aside from getting all 3 4th floor dublits synced up on 2, is if you blow all your orbs killing 4 and then have nothing saved for the dark/light Dublits on 5.

Hmmmm, indeed. Well, let's see how things go next week!

[Aramul]

Congrats :) Also, pthp, I beat ya to it for a change! LOL. Grats on the unicorn, I actually saw my first one this morning, after 6 total runs. Was pretty happy, while it cuts down on the offensive power of 2x LMetas, it adds a TON of survivability with that 2x HP. I don't even run Legend now, as apparently the Master level is more exp/stam efficient, and I don't need anymore of the dragon since I already fully awakened mine(nice thing about monsters that drop fully evolved! Wish Hera/Hera-is did that >< Nooo, if you want to awaken them, it's either waste 700k exp and evo mats, or tamas ><)

Is Ancient Light Dragon getting 2x drop rate tomorrow for it's last day? If so, I might actually do the Legend run a few times in the hopes of snagging a Lilith, really want one, but I'm not going to waste the stamina if it's not 2x drop.
It's on 2x drop right now.


Yeah. I ran it on a lark and got a unicorn, but that means the pressure is on to actually win. So, uh, hey, how do I beat master level Laophraig? He goes from 3.3 million to 1.67 million with both gravities, but then I have to be wary of gettig nuked...

Team is duke vampire//rebel lucifer (thanks Diego!), Hera, Hera isa, Hera Uruz, king baddie. Help?


Hmm. Actually, looking at it I could probably just tank Laophraig's shots until he performs his power up, which means he's at 75% (2.6mil). Then double gravity cuts that to 1.2mil, then Morningstar brings him to 613k. The question is, can I use king baddie to pull out six hundred thousand damage?

Holy smokes! I pulled it off. Barely, too; I got stupid and knocked him to just below 75% with my third combo, safety would have come better from getting him to 76% and then smashing his face to provoke power up. Still, got him killed and got the drop, so I've got a unicorn and a whiskey dragon! Woo!
I find it better to save the gravity/morningstar combo to finish him off. 20k damage per turn is totally survivable with 2x hp/4x rcv in a tricolor dungeon, but that dark bind under 10% will destroy you.

[Samuel Sturm]

Flower Power*[Duration]: 5/13 (Tues), midnight - 5/20 (Tues), 11:59 PM (PDT)
You know what they say--April Showers bring May Flowers! Our Flower Power event is our declaration of Peace, Love, and harmony with Nature! We hope you enjoy this event and spread the love!
!■① Daily Log-in Bonuses5/13 - 5/20 - 1 free Magic Stone daily※Bonuses will be distributed as late as 3:59 AM (PDT) the following day.
■② Daily Event Dungeon Schedule:*
5/13 - Hera-Beorc Descended!
5/14 - Athena Descended!
5/15 - Gaia Descended!
5/16 - Hera-Is Descended!
5/19 - Beelzebub Descended!
5/20 - RO ACE Collab
■③ A Slew of Special Dungeon Bonuses!This event features quite a few fan-favorite dungeons! The details are provided below, but each dungeon will feature 2x Egg Drops for 24 hours on key days! Awesome!
5/13 - 5/14 - Dark Night Sword
5/15 - 5/16 - Blade of Justice
5/17 - 5/18 - Dragon Guardian
5/19 - 5/20 - Scarlet Snake Princess
■④ Awesome Daily Bonuses*Pal Egg Event:5/13 - 5/20 - Rare Evo Materials (Twinlits, Trifruits, and Keeper of Gold included!)
1.5x chance for 'GREAT!' or 'SUPER!!' EXP Gain
2x King appearance rates for the Metal and Jewel Dragons
2x Skill Up rate
2x Drops for the Daily Special Dungeons
1.5x Coins for the Weekend Dungeon

I really like the look of this one. I could use the survey dungeons, but not that much. That means I can actually farm evo materials and finish off all the skill up mons clogging my box.

[Jasmine]

Excellent! Maxed out my second monster (Valkyrie) thanks to Super Golds.
Congrats, you're ahead of me! (I only have 1 maxed) Gold drags screwed me over with 4 highs and 1 king, so I decided not to run it a second time.


Anyway, I've managed to get a good 7 stones from challenge dungeons this week, so I'm ready for tomorrow night when I spend all of them on stamina for Watery Temptress. Oof, that's gonna be tedious.
I've been been slowly clearing the challenges as well. Nice stack of stones for nagas next week. She better skill up this time...Not much else I'm interested in (the 2x is nice!), although it's weird they're putting evo mats AGAIN instead of alternating with kings.

I'm also glad they're giving out stones instead of tamas in the mail. Might be because of non REMming limiting my variety of monsters, but I have way too many tamas to know what to do with. At this rate they kind of ruin the original purpose of designing awakenings - to make dupes from REM not feel like such a waste, and remove the viability of feeding/evoing dupes. And they give out less stones! Sneaky way to encourage purchases, for sure.

[Starwulf]

Huzzah on the SSP dungeon coming up, I'll probably end up burning a few stones for stamina on that one, I'd love to get the last 3 skill-ups on my Naga(or is just 2? hmm).

Odd on the 2x drop rate already being in effect, I checked before I went to bed this morning at about 7a.m., and the PAD wikia site didn't have it listed, normally they announce that almost 24 hours ahead of time >< Sucks, no stamina left to try the legend dungeon again, and Lilith just isn't worth a stone.

[Jasmine]

Huzzah on the SSP dungeon coming up, I'll probably end up burning a few stones for stamina on that one, I'd love to get the last 3 skill-ups on my Naga(or is just 2? hmm).

Odd on the 2x drop rate already being in effect, I checked before I went to bed this morning at about 7a.m., and the PAD wikia site didn't have it listed, normally they announce that almost 24 hours ahead of time >< Sucks, no stamina left to try the legend dungeon again, and Lilith just isn't worth a stone.
If you really want a lilith, I believe she's 100% drop rate in Satan descended, so you can get 2 birds with 1 stone. Might drop in ancient dark dragon too, since angel was a possible drop from ancient light.

[Starwulf]

If you really want a lilith, I believe she's 100% drop rate in Satan descended, so you can get 2 birds with 1 stone. Might drop in ancient dark dragon too, since angel was a possible drop from ancient light.

I've tried Satan Descended, got my butt whupped pretty badly, and it was after I got my F/L Horus.

[Fax Celestis]

Oh my. Derishus Verche skill ups. Om nom nom. Also evo mats in the pal machine? Yes please. Totes saving those 1k pal point gifts.

[SiuiS]

Congrats :) Also, pthp, I beat ya to it for a change! LOL. Grats on the unicorn, I actually saw my first one this morning, after 6 total runs. Was pretty happy, while it cuts down on the offensive power of 2x LMetas, it adds a TON of survivability with that 2x HP. I don't even run Legend now, as apparently the Master level is more exp/stam efficient, and I don't need anymore of the dragon since I already fully awakened mine(nice thing about monsters that drop fully evolved! Wish Hera/Hera-is did that >< Nooo, if you want to awaken them, it's either waste 700k exp and evo mats, or tamas ><)

Is Ancient Light Dragon getting 2x drop rate tomorrow for it's last day? If so, I might actually do the Legend run a few times in the hopes of snagging a Lilith, really want one, but I'm not going to waste the stamina if it's not 2x drop.

Nice! Yeah, I've only beaten master just this once; usually no one has lucifer up when I have the stamina.

It's x2 and x3 chance of unicorn right now actually.



I find it better to save the gravity/morningstar combo to finish him off. 20k damage per turn is totally survivable with 2x hp/4x rcv in a tricolor dungeon, but that dark bind under 10% will destroy you.

That was the finisher; in not confident enough in my ability to pull out that much healing. I somehow seem to get orb trolled pretty hard on tricolor dungeons.

[Marade]

I was really hoping for Sandalphon in this event! Nothing I really need this time... Maybe time to try to farm baby tamadras?

What do you think, thursday or friday?

EDIT: Hmm, nothing on the 17th and 18th? Maybe we'll get Sandy after all?

[Aramul]

Nice! Yeah, I've only beaten master just this once; usually no one has lucifer up when I have the stamina.

It's x2 and x3 chance of unicorn right now actually.



That was the finisher; in not confident enough in my ability to pull out that much healing. I somehow seem to get orb trolled pretty hard on tricolor dungeons.

A 3 heart match should be 8-10k in a vamp/luci team, and he only hits for ~15k under 40% in master difficulty. 3 hearts + 2-3 combos will keep you full all the time, it was much easier than keeping alive on Hera-Ur or Hera with DJ/Odin.

I didn't see any Unicorns in my 5-6 runs of the dragon today, so sad. Lots of light exp though, I got Izanagi evolved and leveled to 35. I'll start running some harder challenge modes soon.

[Starwulf]

Why oh why does OOH insist on giving me Mystic Mask after Mystic Mask? 3 in my last 5 runs(I ran it three times this morning, and I'm doing my 2nd run of the night right now, and I got two in the morning and one just now). This is just...insane. They are starting to become a nuisance, taking up such valuable box space ><

Ooooh, another question: Ancient Dark Dragon is coming up, and I'm wondering what kind of team set-up can handle it at least on Master?(actually, that's the only setting I care about, it has a Lilith in it). Can't take my Mono-dark team since there are no dark orbs in the dungeon, and my Light team has crap for HP(somewhere around 10.7k max with friend included). It would be a TON more damage(taking two Lmetas would be 12.25 multiplier), but I would basically have to take Caol-Ila down from 51% to 0, otherwise 1 hit would kill me, and I'm not sure even with King Shynees ability activated I could do that(On master, that's 2.17mil HP). Healing shouldn't be THAT big of a problem since my Healers team RCV is 2744 without friend, so about 3300 with friend Lmeta). Hell, if the Fog Chimeras are synced, I'm dead in the water before I even begin >< I'd run expert, but if I'm going to do the dungeon, I think I'd at least like a decent shot at getting the dragon drop.

[Fax Celestis]

Hilarious. Didn't get Laphrohaig on 2x drop time, ran it once today on a lark and because I wanted light moltdras...he drops. On expert.

[Fax Celestis]

Okay, wow. I have to say switching from Leilan to Bastet as my primary leader is a breath of fresh air. My teams can be literally anything I want, not limited to the Mexican flag, and triggering her leaderskill is so much easier. Thankfully Leilan makes an excellent sub for Bastet, so I haven't wasted all that effort on leveling and awakening her.

[Beacon of Chaos]

x2 Drop Watery Temptress is in effect.

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[obryn]

Okay, wow. I have to say switching from Leilan to Bastet as my primary leader is a breath of fresh air. My teams can be literally anything I want, not limited to the Mexican flag, and triggering her leaderskill is so much easier. Thankfully Leilan makes an excellent sub for Bastet, so I haven't wasted all that effort on leveling and awakening her.
Oh goodness yes, especially when the catgirl is Ult evo'd. The freedom of subs is one of the main reasons people love her.

She's also amazing as a Healer sub, fwiw.

Oh and I FINALLY got a dark Izanami this morning. Mythical is a bit much to consistently 0 stone so I've been running Legend every time she comes around. Finally got the dark one, and she finally dropped.

Not that I'm ever going to use her, mind. She's even more crazy kamikaze than Goemon.

[obryn]

Why oh why does OOH insist on giving me Mystic Mask after Mystic Mask? 3 in my last 5 runs(I ran it three times this morning, and I'm doing my 2nd run of the night right now, and I got two in the morning and one just now). This is just...insane. They are starting to become a nuisance, taking up such valuable box space ><

Ooooh, another question: Ancient Dark Dragon is coming up, and I'm wondering what kind of team set-up can handle it at least on Master?(actually, that's the only setting I care about, it has a Lilith in it). Can't take my Mono-dark team since there are no dark orbs in the dungeon, and my Light team has crap for HP(somewhere around 10.7k max with friend included). It would be a TON more damage(taking two Lmetas would be 12.25 multiplier), but I would basically have to take Caol-Ila down from 51% to 0, otherwise 1 hit would kill me, and I'm not sure even with King Shynees ability activated I could do that(On master, that's 2.17mil HP). Healing shouldn't be THAT big of a problem since my Healers team RCV is 2744 without friend, so about 3300 with friend Lmeta). Hell, if the Fog Chimeras are synced, I'm dead in the water before I even begin >< I'd run expert, but if I'm going to do the dungeon, I think I'd at least like a decent shot at getting the dragon drop.
The answer is basically, "any good combo lead." Team your best up with my Robin and it shouldn't be terrible.

DQXQ can also do it, as can a friendly Isis.

[Fax Celestis]

Has anyone run the math on Bastet//Kushinadahime vs. Bastet//Bastet?

[SiuiS]

Yes, but I don't recall the results. Kushinada is definitely better for situations with high combo capacity though, because she hits crazy multipliers. She's amazing to bring to tricolor, even stuff like Takeminakata where she doesn't directly, herself, attack.


I'll see what I can find.

E: nothing math, but Bastet seems superior on the basis of better stats, situationally superior active skill and an easier maximum capacity; Kushinada pulls ahead around 9 combos. Unless you're getting 9 combos out of Kushinada, she is not as good as Bastet. Seems simple.

[Larkas]

I was really hoping for Sandalphon in this event! Nothing I really need this time... Maybe time to try to farm baby tamadras?

What do you think, thursday or friday?

EDIT: Hmm, nothing on the 17th and 18th? Maybe we'll get Sandy after all?

Want some? Pulled 2 TAMADRA on PEM today. Together with the other 7 I have no use for yet, that makes it 9. :smallyuk: Try using PEM, anyways. It seems to have an increased TAMADRA drop rate for the day.

[Beacon of Chaos]

Current update: 13/30 chasers acquired. Getting real sick of this dungeon. Running out of friend leaders. x_x

[SiuiS]

Want some? Pulled 2 TAMADRA on PEM today. Together with the other 7 I have no use for yet, that makes it 9. :smallyuk: Try using PEM, anyways. It seems to have an increased TAMADRA drop rate for the day.

I only pull PAL during events now. I'm finding it more fun to save up and throw lots.

[Starwulf]

The answer is basically, "any good combo lead." Team your best up with my Robin and it shouldn't be terrible.

DQXQ can also do it, as can a friendly Isis.

Unfortunately I have zilch for combo lead monsters. Never got a robin out of the BATRem, all 3 pulls were DD Bats. Best creature I have for tri-color is AB BlueBird blues, and..yeah, he's weak as all get out.

[Fax Celestis]

I'm out of Kushinadahime, DXDQ, and Bastet friend leaders. If someone has those, can you refresh please? I have a <invader-zim> MIGHTY NEED! </invader-zim> for their assistance.

[Beacon of Chaos]

Arg. 16/40 chasers and I have to stop because it's late and my eyes are killing me. Damn time zones.

Anyway, that's a 40% drop rate for chaser on x2. Not a bad haul, and half of them are now max level thanks to all the ninjas. Just gotta get some more masks and keepers and evolve them all.

[Larkas]

I only pull PAL during events now. I'm finding it more fun to save up and throw lots.

I think I'll do that too. You can save up to 10000 points, right?

[Aramul]

I think I'll do that too. You can save up to 10000 points, right?
Yes, and you can store more in the mail if you never read the PAL point mails you get from GungHo.

[Academia]

So many skill ups so little time and stones...

Verche and Echi probably my priority though.

Wonder if they'll implement the S-Rank system.

Aca

[Jasmine]

baby tamadras?

What do you think, thursday or friday?
Thursday with ronia is really easy (and not too hard if you're packing a normal red team), Friday for Zeus/Healer or other light teams. And if you really need them, both.


Ancient Dark Dragon is coming up, and I'm wondering what kind of team set-up can handle it at least on Master?
I'm kind of stuck on this too, since Horus and Luci both suck here (I'd brute force it with horus, but Highlander descended doesn't want me to have a blue orbchange). Master with healer team shouldn't be too bad, you might have messed up your math. He only has 3.3 mil on master, to be safe lets say he has 1.8 mil before you nuke - thats only 1800/3/2/12.25 = 25000 light damage, or 3x3 + 3 combo, even with a pitiful 4000 light attack. I'd try it but my healer team is the worst.

Re: Pal max - yeah, it's 10k points, or 50 rolls which might be easier to keep track of. You can also leave the mail unopened for later to somewhat get around the cap.

I think I hit the inflection point on gold. My stores shot up from 100k to 3 mil over the past week, although I'm sure those Hera runs had something to do with it.

[obryn]

Arg. 16/40 chasers and I have to stop because it's late and my eyes are killing me. Damn time zones.

Anyway, that's a 40% drop rate for chaser on x2. Not a bad haul, and half of them are now max level thanks to all the ninjas. Just gotta get some more masks and keepers and evolve them all.
That's an amazingly good rate, yeah. :smallcool:

I love ninjas for XP. They're such great feeders!

[Starwulf]

Thursday with ronia is really easy (and not too hard if you're packing a normal red team), Friday for Zeus/Healer or other light teams. And if you really need them, both.


I'm kind of stuck on this too, since Horus and Luci both suck here (I'd brute force it with horus, but Highlander descended doesn't want me to have a blue orbchange). Master with healer team shouldn't be too bad, you might have messed up your math. He only has 3.3 mil on master, to be safe lets say he has 1.8 mil before you nuke - thats only 1800/3/2/12.25 = 25000 light damage, or 3x3 + 3 combo, even with a pitiful 4000 light attack. I'd try it but my healer team is the worst.

Re: Pal max - yeah, it's 10k points, or 50 rolls which might be easier to keep track of. You can also leave the mail unopened for later to somewhat get around the cap.

I think I hit the inflection point on gold. My stores shot up from 100k to 3 mil over the past week, although I'm sure those Hera runs had something to do with it.

Unless the PAD Wikia page has his stats listed wrong, it has Legend at 4.9mil HP, and Master as 4.3mil. Hmm, after checking out puzzledragonx, they have it listed as 3.3, sooo..which one is right? It does make more sense for the Master to have 3.3m and not 4.3m though, Light dragon was a similar gap, but then again I've seen odder things out of GungHo... If it is 3.3m, that does make a decent difference, a full 500k HP less that I"d have to try to nuke in one fell swoop at x36.5(with King Shynees ability activated). Thing is, it's not all light types, I have Echidna on my healer team, and no-one that's high enough level(Ie: Great Valkryie) to replace her for full light attack. Then again, that would give me 4 turns instead of 3 to wipe him out once I know I've gotten close to the 50% barrier.

Edit: What's really funny to me right now, especially after making this post and my other one about how I'm unsure whether or not I could take down 1.8mil HP given an x36 or so nuke, is I've been running OOH: Sea God with my Cu CHul team with King Woodsie on it, and with barely trying(3 green combos and probably 1 more non-green) I've been pushing out upwards of 300k dmg PER green person on my team. And that's only x27. With x36 on my Healer team It'd probably be 450k per Light person, which is more then enough. Hell, I finally caved in and tried running Super Metal Dragons with my healer team, and I absolutely slaughtered it twice, and will do so again once my final 4 stamina regens(I ran it once, leveled, then ran it again, I have 96 stamina, so I"ll regen the last 4 before it goes away).

On another note: My Drawn Joker Jester Dragon is officially maxed! Better watch out Jasmine, I'm coming for ya :). Not sure who on my dark team I should max out next: Hera, Hera, or DD Bats. Other, but less tasteful options would be Purple SKy Fruit Grape Dragon, or Black Blaze Graceful Valkyrie.

[SiuiS]

Well sucks. I saved my stamina due to faulty reporting so I could hit super metals today. There were no super metals. So I tossed all my steam into watery temptress and have now a grand total of three chasers the whole event...

That may be enough for a single skill up though, so hey. Worth a shot!

[Jasmine]

Unless the PAD Wikia page has his stats listed wrong, it has Legend at 4.9mil HP, and Master as 4.3mil. Hmm, after checking out puzzledragonx, they have it listed as 3.3, sooo..which one is right? It does make more sense for the Master to have 3.3m and not 4.3m though, Light dragon was a similar gap, but then again I've seen odder things out of GungHo... If it is 3.3m, that does make a decent difference, a full 500k HP less that I"d have to try to nuke in one fell swoop at x36.5(with King Shynees ability activated). Thing is, it's not all light types, I have Echidna on my healer team, and no-one that's high enough level(Ie: Great Valkryie) to replace her for full light attack. Then again, that would give me 4 turns instead of 3 to wipe him out once I know I've gotten close to the 50% barrier.

Edit: What's really funny to me right now, especially after making this post and my other one about how I'm unsure whether or not I could take down 1.8mil HP given an x36 or so nuke, is I've been running OOH: Sea God with my Cu CHul team with King Woodsie on it, and with barely trying(3 green combos and probably 1 more non-green) I've been pushing out upwards of 300k dmg PER green person on my team. And that's only x27. With x36 on my Healer team It'd probably be 450k per Light person, which is more then enough. Hell, I finally caved in and tried running Super Metal Dragons with my healer team, and I absolutely slaughtered it twice, and will do so again once my final 4 stamina regens(I ran it once, leveled, then ran it again, I have 96 stamina, so I"ll regen the last 4 before it goes away).

On another note: My Drawn Joker Jester Dragon is officially maxed! Better watch out Jasmine, I'm coming for ya :). Not sure who on my dark team I should max out next: Hera, Hera, or DD Bats. Other, but less tasteful options would be Purple SKy Fruit Grape Dragon, or Black Blaze Graceful Valkyrie.
All the mystic masks are throwing themselves at you feet begging you to go fight something harder :P

Did you grab a unicorn? Lmeta/Valk/Unicorn/Angelion/Shynee would be a pretty awesome team. I guess you don't have enough levels in yellow huh? Keep in mind healers have lower attack though, so x27 balance might do about the same amount of damage as x36 healer. But yeah, a few mil isn't too hard with slime burst if you're doing double damage.

You've always had more 99's than me :P I'm trying to scale back on leveling, though - I just need 3 mil green for my Heracles and my teams are complete - it's just skillups and +eggs galore from there. Speaking of + eggs they sucked this week. I gained 6 ranks and got a total of 2 +s. That's like 400 stam/egg =___=

[Starwulf]

All the mystic masks are throwing themselves at you feet begging you to go fight something harder :P

Did you grab a unicorn? Lmeta/Valk/Unicorn/Angelion/Shynee would be a pretty awesome team. I guess you don't have enough levels in yellow huh? Keep in mind healers have lower attack though, so x27 balance might do about the same amount of damage as x36 healer. But yeah, a few mil isn't too hard with slime burst if you're doing double damage.

You've always had more 99's than me :P I'm trying to scale back on leveling, though - I just need 3 mil green for my Heracles and my teams are complete - it's just skillups and +eggs galore from there. Speaking of + eggs they sucked this week. I gained 6 ranks and got a total of 2 +s. That's like 400 stam/egg =___=

Hey, I have been fighting tougher stuff!(I'm up to Junos Island now ^^) I Just don't see a point in fighting said tougher stuff when my goal for the weekend was to try to acquire plus eggs and OOH is 1.5x Drop rate :) Though, I actually had the same bad luck as you for the +eggs >< 3 out of like 9 runs. 4 Mystic Masks and 3 King Metals though. Messed up thing is, I recently used like 4 Mystic Masks on a few misc. creatures that I want to eventually work on, and I STILL Have 9 left in my box ><

Yeah, light exp is relatively sparse for me, though the moment I hit 100 stamina and the first Super GOld comes around, that will all change, I'll blow every single stone I have at the time on it. Right now it's Lmeta at 86, Angelion at 70, Heavenly Herald Archangel at 71, King Shynee Maxed. Beyond that is Godly KNight of the Sky Verche at 21, Great Valkyrie at 60(so closing in on being able to Evo then Ult.Evo her), Lightning Holy Dragon at 73(I'm so hoping for a single green trifruit from PAL machine, then I'll have two and I can Ult.Evo him into his Healer version! And that's it, no more Light type monsters. They could be higher if I was willing to feed off-color exp to them, but I HATE doing that, it's just so inefficient, at least right now while I still have monsters in every color that I want to level. Though, once I can Evo my Gigas, I can finally feed him my Red Noel, and then He'll be at a point where I'd actually feel comfortable feeding red exp to Light monsters(I Only have 3 primary red monsters: F/L Horus:99, Ult.Evo Echidna: 82, Gigas: 31(I haven't gotten jack for red exp in quite a while sadly)

As far as the 99 remark, I was just trying to say I'm catching up to you in high levels in general :) Speaking of leveling though, who do you think I should level next in the dark category? Just not sure at all now, my primaries are maxed, and what's left are useful, but almost evenly so(2x Hera, DD Bats, followed somewhat closely by Black Blaze Graceful Valkyrie & Purple Skyfruit Grape Dragon

[Jasmine]

Hey, I have been fighting tougher stuff!(I'm up to Junos Island now ^^) I Just don't see a point in fighting said tougher stuff when my goal for the weekend was to try to acquire plus eggs and OOH is 1.5x Drop rate :) Though, I actually had the same bad luck as you for the +eggs >< 3 out of like 9 runs. 4 Mystic Masks and 3 King Metals though. Messed up thing is, I recently used like 4 Mystic Masks on a few misc. creatures that I want to eventually work on, and I STILL Have 9 left in my box ><

Yeah, light exp is relatively sparse for me, though the moment I hit 100 stamina and the first Super GOld comes around, that will all change, I'll blow every single stone I have at the time on it. Right now it's Lmeta at 86, Angelion at 70, Heavenly Herald Archangel at 71, King Shynee Maxed. Beyond that is Godly KNight of the Sky Verche at 21, Great Valkyrie at 60(so closing in on being able to Evo then Ult.Evo her), Lightning Holy Dragon at 73(I'm so hoping for a single green trifruit from PAL machine, then I'll have two and I can Ult.Evo him into his Healer version! And that's it, no more Light type monsters. They could be higher if I was willing to feed off-color exp to them, but I HATE doing that, it's just so inefficient, at least right now while I still have monsters in every color that I want to level. Though, once I can Evo my Gigas, I can finally feed him my Red Noel, and then He'll be at a point where I'd actually feel comfortable feeding red exp to Light monsters(I Only have 3 primary red monsters: F/L Horus:99, Ult.Evo Echidna: 82, Gigas: 31(I haven't gotten jack for red exp in quite a while sadly)

As far as the 99 remark, I was just trying to say I'm catching up to you in high levels in general :) Speaking of leveling though, who do you think I should level next in the dark category? Just not sure at all now, my primaries are maxed, and what's left are useful, but almost evenly so(2x Hera, DD Bats, followed somewhat closely by Black Blaze Graceful Valkyrie & Purple Skyfruit Grape Dragon
Haha yeah I was just teasing. You don't even need dub myths, or I'd tell you to go farm starlight sanc, which is also on 1.5x during weekends. And 3/9 is perfectly normal, I'm somewhere around 2/40. I did grab 2 mystic masks and a king drag, which is good enough for me.

That's kind of weird actually, did you focus on green for pendra or something? My colors seem almost perfectly even, 3 of each color in the 90s (Horus/gigas/goemon, herais/siren/kamui, cuchu/droid/adk, valk/zeus/angelion, luci/hera/vamp).

What team do you plan on taking into descends? That's probably the one you need the most work on. I mean, unless you're still failing normal dungeons, in which case sure they could use a bit more oomph. I keep both a Hera and a Herais on my descend teams (Horus and luci, but luci packs 2 max unevoed heras too). Bats...I'm not sure, but it seems like you use him pretty often, and he's a nice delay. Valk and Grape are kind of awesome but you don't have the teams for them. If you have a tiamat a row enhance team might be a nice change of pace. Might be my new goal if PAL keeps spitting red/blue trifruits out at me.

[SiuiS]

That's where I am! I should start up the technicals again. You know, now that it's been forever since the last colored dragon alert. XD

But yeah. I'm just going to farm up penguins for feeding right now. Get my mons high, average into 70 from my current 45. Work on unicorn, work on asuka team in the background (have three red goblins for Evo'ing to rowdy samurai, soon as I get mats) and just slowly boost my team comps. Hopefully also clear out my box a bit. Once I feel like my other descend teams aren't a waste of time, I'll try for Perseus.

[Starwulf]

Haha yeah I was just teasing. You don't even need dub myths, or I'd tell you to go farm starlight sanc, which is also on 1.5x during weekends. And 3/9 is perfectly normal, I'm somewhere around 2/40. I did grab 2 mystic masks and a king drag, which is good enough for me.

That's kind of weird actually, did you focus on green for pendra or something? My colors seem almost perfectly even, 3 of each color in the 90s (Horus/gigas/goemon, herais/siren/kamui, cuchu/droid/adk, valk/zeus/angelion, luci/hera/vamp).

What team do you plan on taking into descends? That's probably the one you need the most work on. I mean, unless you're still failing normal dungeons, in which case sure they could use a bit more oomph. I keep both a Hera and a Herais on my descend teams (Horus and luci, but luci packs 2 max unevoed heras too). Bats...I'm not sure, but it seems like you use him pretty often, and he's a nice delay. Valk and Grape are kind of awesome but you don't have the teams for them. If you have a tiamat a row enhance team might be a nice change of pace. Might be my new goal if PAL keeps spitting red/blue trifruits out at me.

Yeah, no need for the DubMyths right now either, 5 of them are sitting in my box.

No, didn't really focus on anything when it came to farming pengdra, actually I kind of never really did farm pengdra, I mean, I've done 10-15 specific runs dedicated to them, but that's about it. I've just had a lot of feed material come up green I guess(Obviously, since I Have 4 99's in that category, and 2x 75+. Hell, looking at my box, it does appear as though I've probably gotten 5x as much green exp as I have any other color.

Primary monsters in each color-

Red: F/L Horus: 99, Ult.Evo Echidna: 82, Mitsuki Flame Fox: 40, Meteor Volcano Dragon: 46, Gigas 31, King Flamie: Maxed

Blue: I&I: 72, Blast Aurora Dragon: 72 Megalodran: 99, Wood Ice & Blazing Ice Ogre: Maxed, Hera-Is(Unevoed) 46, Dark Ice Leviathan: 46

Green: Warded Storm God Susano: 99, Noble Wolf King Hero Cu Chul: 99, FlowerDragon Gaia Brachys: 99, Awoken Odin: 99(Speaking of him, wonder if they'll ever give him an Ult.Evo), Top DroidDragon: 76, ADKZ: 75 King Woodsie: Maxed, Freyja: 37

Light: Lmeta: 86, Angelion: 70, AA: 71, Godly Knight Verche: 21, Great Valk: 60, Lightning Holy Dragon: 73 King Shyne: Max

Dark:Black Blaze Valk: 72, Awoken Hera: 74, Awoken Hera: 70, D/W Vamp: 99, CDKV: 73, DJJD: 99, DD Bats 71, CDD: 77

Also, I do apparently have a Tiamat, in Basilisk form right now. Sooo..DD Bats, Purple Skyfruit and him all have row enhances.

As far as what team I plan on taking into descend, well, I don't have a specific team that I can use for every descend. Right now they all have their uses, My Healer team and DD Bats for stuff like Ancient Light/Dark Dragon, an Odin Led team for stuff like Hera/Hera-is(But I don't need either anymore), Horus for..well, not really sure, unless I can manage to suddenly up my orb skill enough to consistently match all 5 colors for x5 burst(x25 with friend), I just don't see me handling any descends with him. I know it's possible, but every time I've tried, I've died horrifically, x16 always gets me beat down, even if I'm matching x16 3/4 times.

Edit: Odd, I just noticed that I apparently have 3 water types who between them have 5 Row Enhances. I&I with 2, Dark Ice Leviathan with 2, and Elemental of Kind Waters Undine with 1. That's fairly interesting.....

[SiuiS]

If you are willing to invest the time and TAMadra, the mythical dragons (basilisk, sea serpent, ifrit, etc.) are amazing. So are the fruit dragons. Grape dragon is totes cool with his amazing skills, and a solid member of a dark enhance team. So much so that I plan on running dark twinstar Tiamat as her own leader along with two grapes and some others for the kick. Maybe swap in batman sometimes instead for his leader and active.

[Starwulf]

Well, first run of Ancient Dark Dragon on Master was a total bust. I made it to the Fog Chimeras with 0 problems, but they were dual synced to attack on round one. Sad thing is, I Killed one, but the 2nd one decided it was going to use it's Double Strike, which btw, is listed as a 10% chance, on IT'S VERY FIRST TURN. So, there goes 40 stamina right down the drain. If I thought they CHimeras were a rare drop, I"d waste a stone on it because the one I killed, dropped, but I just don't think it is, so not gonna bother ><

[SiuiS]

I dunno. The stats on this team are admittedly amazing, but it looks doable to me. Just gonna swap one Valk for a Metatron. May also swap friend leader Valk for a Bastet XD


http://youtu.be/ddnc65EDM8E

[Starwulf]

I dunno. The stats on this team are admittedly amazing, but it looks doable to me. Just gonna swap one Valk for a Metatron. May also swap friend leader Valk for a Bastet XD


http://youtu.be/ddnc65EDM8E

Unfortunately my Valk isn't particularly ready for the big leagues. Well, maybe, her stats are fairly close to my Angelion, but if I tried to mimic that guys team, I'd be really hurting in the HP department, my Siren is only level 32. I couldn't even figure out why he brought Siren until he got to round 5 and popped her ability then Valks for a screen full of LIght Orbs. Definitely useful there.

Still, I'm not going to try to compare myself to someone like that, I don't have that kind of orb skill, nor does my healer team have those kinds of stats. I Mean, he was on Legend and was straight raping everything, even with one creature that couldn't even attack at all. I couldn't even kill two Fog Chimeras and then died because the one left decided it was going to use it's special ability that only happens 1 out of 10 times on it's very first turn, lol. Thankfully I realize that's almost certainly a fluke, I'll give it a shot later today on Master and hopefully be able to entirely waste the Chimeras. I do worry on Caol-Ila himself, since my team requires 80% or higher HP.,..actually, wow, how am I going to handle that? I"ll NEVER be at 80% HP after his very first attack, that pretty much entirely nulls my ability to do ANY damage. It now appears to me that it's either a 1-shot or bust kind of deal........

Edit: Alright, after thinking about it, I basically have 4 turns to get him to half health, and 3 turns after that to finish him off. After each attack from him, I can heal back to full by activating either mine, or friends LMeta active ability for 6x RCV heal, which is guaranteed full(nearly 4k rcv with friend = 24k hp), and then my Heavenly Herald Archangel does a 5x RCV heal. After that he has to be at 51% health, then I activate Echidna, heal back to full with 1 of my 3 grace turns, then either try to set-up the board perfectly for a single massive attack, or instead rely on 2x turns and hope skyfalls happen on both to give me a higher amount of damage in two turns compared to 1 huge burst. Either way, if I fail to kill him by that point, it's entirely over.

[Soepvork]

Well, first run of Ancient Dark Dragon on Master was a total bust. I made it to the Fog Chimeras with 0 problems, but they were dual synced to attack on round one. Sad thing is, I Killed one, but the 2nd one decided it was going to use it's Double Strike, which btw, is listed as a 10% chance, on IT'S VERY FIRST TURN. So, there goes 40 stamina right down the drain. If I thought they CHimeras were a rare drop, I"d waste a stone on it because the one I killed, dropped, but I just don't think it is, so not gonna bother ><

I might have a go at Ancient Dark Dragon on Master later today to see if I can sweep through with two DQXQ's or DQXQ/Kushineda. With my planned team (DQXQ (lvl 43), Uvo'd Kirin/Sakuya (lvl 79), F/F Horus (99), CLM Echidna (66) and Asgard (318)/TDD (71) + a strong friend leader) I hope to be able to push the HP just above 14.2 K (so I can take one multihit from a chimera) or ideally just above 15.5 K (Caol-ila multihit). I suspect I'll die on one of these two waves. Actually, maybe I should wait for the SSP dungeon to (hopefully) skill up my snake lady a bit first...

Edit: Actually, Caol-ila might not be too bad assuming I can stall 5 rounds along the wave to Echidna to activate, meaning I have 4 rounds to deal 4.4 million HP with a ~16 multiplier.... If I get Asgard charged before then, that would even buy me a few more rounds...

Curious to see how it goes: I managed to do ancient light dragon on master last week on my first try when I randomly threw a team together (with, in retrospect, a few poor choices), but lost four times over the weekend with a thought out team...

[Erloas]

I'll have to build a team and see, but I might be able to do a balance team for Ancient Dark Dragon. Not sure though because DL Vamp is a key part of the team on both accounts. Only have Verche on one account. But I do have a genie on both, really take a HP hit there, but I can gain 3 rounds of voided damage. Have Tiny Alma on one account too, decent stats there but nothing amazing. Not much for balance red.

So I went almost the entire day Sunday without playing, due to GF. I think that is the first time I've wasted that much stamina, but oh well, she would have killed me if she found me playing PAD yesterday.
But when I did get to play in the evening I was looking over the table (Loraes account) and trying to find my Noir snow globe because it was at 49 and wanted to run a bit of Tomb of the Saint-Deep to finish it off and feed it. But it wasn't there, and I checked and I only had one devilit... So her kid feed off some of my monsters and I haven't been able to figure out who to yet. I'm thinking it was either someone who was already max level or some middle evolution of something... I haven't figured it out yet. I hope she didn't just sell them... the Noir was saving some + eggs too.

I had been favoriting a lot of things to make sure they couldn't feed them off, but I hadn't been with the evo/snow globe because I had been planning on feeding them off. What sucks is that the snow globe was leading a dark team (so would have been in-use so couldn't have sold or been feed) until Saturday where I switched it out to check the numbers on my not quite yet ready L. Metatron team.

[Jurai]

Dairy Queen and Captain Falcon work together really well. I ripped through Tricolor Int without ANY abilities proccing.

[Fax Celestis]

Make sure all y'all do the update. It has the updated 2-Prong attack and retains enhances on orb changes. Optional now, mandatory probably tomorrow or the day after, but there's really no reason not to do it now and enjoy those perks early.

[Soepvork]

Dairy Queen and Captain Falcon work together really well. I ripped through Tricolor Int without ANY abilities proccing.

If you Captain Falcon you mean Horus, that would be a poor choice for a leader for a Tricolor dungeon, since his leader skill needs 4 colors attacking simultaneously.

[Fax Celestis]

Ran Ancient Dark Dragon (Expert). Got a Spinas. :smallconfused:

Also many delicious expees for my Dark Dragon Knight. Soon he shall become Voice!

[Erloas]

Well I figured out where the Noir snow globe went, it seems a Genie, a genie that was already max level (35, not even the final evo) ate +10 eggs, the snow globe, devilit, cupid, and 2x Apple Drawn.

So that was a huge waste. If she was going to have wasted my noir snow globe I wish she would have at least did it on someone where the exp wouldn't have been completely lost. There were dozens of other monsters she could have feed them to that would have at least got something out of it. Including the Genie, Light Elemental, who the other genie was going to awaken as soon as I got the evo material...

[Jurai]

Yeah, but I don't have Dairy Queen myself.

[Soepvork]

Just ran Ancient Dark dragon master with DQXQ, Kirin, FF Horus, Echidna, Asgard and Bastet (with 14641 HP). Fog Chimerae on wave 5 were synced at 1, but I managed to OHKO one and tank the hit of the other, which was a normal hit (although I made sure to pack enough HP to be able to tank a multihit). I didn't stall enough in the earlier waves were I could have, which meant I had to stall 2 rounds at Lilith. That was a bit uncomfortable, but reasonably doable in the end. At Coal-Ila I popped Kirin and Echidna, and killed him directly after his fertile shield came up (could have killed him one round earlier if I didn't fumble one match).

Very happy with this run, as I managed to snag both a Cerberus and the Dragon :smallsmile:

[Soepvork]

Yeah, but I don't have Dairy Queen myself.

Fair enough. Even then wouldn't it have been better to use Horus as a sub and any of your subs with a leader skill that is actually activated (even if the benefits are marginal) as a leader? I mean, surely a useless leader skill is still preferable to no leader skill (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0178.html) :smallwink:

[Beacon of Chaos]

Got max stamina (110) and only need 325 xp to my next rank. :smallsigh:


Well I figured out where the Noir snow globe went, it seems a Genie, a genie that was already max level (35, not even the final evo) ate +10 eggs, the snow globe, devilit, cupid, and 2x Apple Drawn.

So that was a huge waste. If she was going to have wasted my noir snow globe I wish she would have at least did it on someone where the exp wouldn't have been completely lost. There were dozens of other monsters she could have feed them to that would have at least got something out of it. Including the Genie, Light Elemental, who the other genie was going to awaken as soon as I got the evo material...
Oh, that sucks. :/ Sorry to hear that.

[Fax Celestis]

To be honest I am probably going to be running nothing but Ancient Dark Dragon while it's here. I need a lot of black XP and black moltdras drop like candy. I can try to skill up some of my demons if I really want, and I definitely want a Cerberus. Plus I can waltz through it fairly easily, as long as I'm not an idiot. Grabbing Caol-ila would be a nice fringe benefit, but I don't actually even really want one.

[obryn]

Yeah, after I get done max skilling my Chaos Blizzard Dragon, I might as well max skill Caol-Ila, you know?

I'm hoping my skill ups on Laphroaig go well. I have Ardbeg and Lagavulin max skill. But 4 skill ups on 13 feeds seems... Unlikely. :)

[Fax Celestis]

Yeah. You'd really need to hit the right side of the bell curve on a 2x skill up event.

[obryn]

Yeah. You'd really need to hit the right side of the bell curve on a 2x skill up event.
We'll find out tomorrow I suppose! If I can pull 3, I can at least have him ready out the gate on my speed farming team.

[SiuiS]

Ah, Caol-ila and chaos blizzard have the same skill?

[obryn]

Ah, Caol-ila and chaos blizzard have the same skill?
Yep! And Chaos Blizzard has better overall stats until about 58th-ish level. I have no interest in leveling a whiskey dragon up to there, except accidentally through feeding them their twins for skill-ups. :smallbiggrin:

Not that stats matter too much for the types of teams I'm using them for, mind!

[Beacon of Chaos]

Running Mythic Stone Dragon 4 with Lucifer. It's soul-crushingly tedious but it's also a great place for dark sprites and dark keepers, which I need for chasers.

This had all better be worth it.

[SiuiS]

So I tried master. I decided, let's not nuke a wave so I could stall! And they wiped me out because every monster was synched XDX

[obryn]

Running Mythic Stone Dragon 4 with Lucifer. It's soul-crushingly tedious but it's also a great place for dark sprites and dark keepers, which I need for chasers.

This had all better be worth it.
Well, your drop rate on the dragon will probably be ~60%, but the dragons aren't the reason to run that dungeon anyway. :smallsmile: As you said, it's a great place for dark evo mats and dark keepers.

Those are pretty tough dungeons.

[Beacon of Chaos]

Those are pretty tough dungeons.
I've noticed. Getting past the water binds is now doubly difficult with Lucifer. It's doable, but requires some luck.

Speaking of Lucifer, does anyone have one they can put up for me? I've run out. Bonus points if it's the un-uvo'd version.

[Jasmine]

I've noticed. Getting past the water binds is now doubly difficult with Lucifer. It's doable, but requires some luck.

Speaking of Lucifer, does anyone have one they can put up for me? I've run out. Bonus points if it's the un-uvo'd version.

Bonus points go to me!

[Beacon of Chaos]

Bonus points go to me!
Hooray! Your bonus points are in the mail. Please allow 28 days for delivery.

Let the grind continue!

[Fax Celestis]

Apparently the damage reduction awoken skills got buffed. Anyone know what their new percentage is? Curious if they might actually be more worth it now.

EDIT: Oh, hey, the wiki got updated. Says they're 4% now. That's...well, it's better. I don't know if I'd go out of my way to get them except on something like CDD.

[tyckspoon]

Apparently the damage reduction awoken skills got buffed. Anyone know what their new percentage is? Curious if they might actually be more worth it now.

I think it's supposed to be 4%. Still not amazing, but you could probably make some really silly single-purpose teams by stacking damage reductions. Especially if it's additive with Resist leader skills (that is, if all the resist values get combined into a single lump resist, so a 50% leader plus a Resist awakening would be 54% resist instead of (50%) x (96%) damage.)

[SiuiS]

Apparently the damage reduction awoken skills got buffed. Anyone know what their new percentage is? Curious if they might actually be more worth it now.

EDIT: Oh, hey, the wiki got updated. Says they're 4% now. That's...well, it's better. I don't know if I'd go out of my way to get them except on something like CDD.

Resistance is all additive, yes. Lightning Holy Dragon gets a total of 58% resist, right there. ...

...

...

Oh. Uh, hm. But the leaderskills work multiplicatively. Crap.

[Fax Celestis]

I think it's supposed to be 4%. Still not amazing, but you could probably make some really silly single-purpose teams by stacking damage reductions. Especially if it's additive with Resist leader skills (that is, if all the resist values get combined into a single lump resist, so a 50% leader plus a Resist awakening would be 54% resist instead of (50%) x (96%) damage.)

Yeah, I guess it depends on whether or not Megalodran (for instance) is 58% fire resist and 50% water resist, or 53.92% fire resist and 50% water resist.

I wouldn't be surprised, though, that if the leader skill is calc'd separately, and then it goes and sums the awaken resists and subtracts that. IE: 1000 damage, halved by megalodran to 500, then you have 6 fire resist awakens in your team (for SCIENCE! if nothing else), and it goes and cuts it another 24% to 380.

Calc'ing it all together would be 1000*.5*.96*.96*.96*.96*.96*.96, or ~391. It's not much of a difference, but it starts to matter when you start dealing with numbers measured in the tens or hundreds of thousands.

[obryn]

Well, I know from experimentation that the x% Awoken Skills are all added together - so if you have 3 Water Resists, that ... well, it's 12% now.

I don't know how it interacts with Resist Leader skills, though I'm pretty sure it would be multiplicative. So you'd take .88 x .50 or whatever. I can't imagine it's additive, but I've been wrong before. :smallbiggrin:

[Fax Celestis]

Well, I know from experimentation that the x% Awoken Skills are all added together - so if you have 3 Water Resists, that ... well, it's 12% now.

I don't know how it interacts with Resist Leader skills, though I'm pretty sure it would be multiplicative. So you'd take .88 x .50 or whatever. I can't imagine it's additive, but I've been wrong before. :smallbiggrin:

Well, that's actually pretty cool. So if you have CDD//CDD for some reason (Hadeeeeeees :smallannoyed: ) and both CDD's have their resist awakens... 66666*(.5*.5)*(1-(.04+.04+.04+.04), or 13999. I mean, it's more worth it, but I wouldn't exactly go out of my way unless it's for a monster that's already a resist leader or some weird gimmick team.

[Erloas]

What is everyone's thoughts on the Descends coming up?

Hera-Beorc doesn't look too bad. Have to delay on Alraune, which shouldn't be too hard. Hades looks a little questionable, 1 sec lost isn't too bad, but 2.4m damage in 6 turns isn't a given, especially with timing thrown off, could use Echidna if it came down to it though. Leviathan gives you 4 turns, but without any actives. Shouldn't be too bad except the actives bind lasts 10 rounds, so ~6 rounds into Hera-Beorc as well. The light void isn't bad for me because my Horus team just has a sub-atk for white so it isn't much of a loss in damage.
She doesn't hit too hard, I could survie Jupiter Genesis, but trying to delay for everything to clear would be tricky with all the other binds around.
Maybe the thing to do would be to drop Echidna for a more beefy sub and try to nuke her down without actives?

Is this her first appearance? The wiki doesn't show any previous, but I can't remember if we just saw info or if we had the chance to run it before.


Athena looks a bit out of my league still. Gaia... I have no idea, I hate limited cost dungeons and don't know what I could built for her. And we just had Beezlebub.

[obryn]

Hera-Beorc has been around a while, but I don't have much use for her. :smallbiggrin: She's best used, IMO, to skill up Zeus-Dios or as a sub in a Green team.

There's a conspicuous gap in Descends over the weekend, so I'm wondering if we might finally see Sandalphon or something new.

[SiuiS]

This is our first or second Hera Beorc. Second or third Gaia, I think. Gaia could be handled with a low cost asuka team (in theory) but I don't really have much there...
It's worth pointing out every demon has both row and orb enchantment. Asukax2, hellfire demon x4 has four row enhance, one out of five no enhanced orbs, constant spike damage and defense break and two change the worlds. It's not bad all things considered.

Hmm. Beorc does seem easy...

http://youtu.be/i8noQmViQCA

[Fax Celestis]

Well, I know from experimentation that the x% Awoken Skills are all added together - so if you have 3 Water Resists, that ... well, it's 12% now.

...wait, does that mean the 20% enhanced orb awoken skill works the same way? So if you get 5 enhanced orb awakenings, all the orbs of that color that spawn are enhanced?

[obryn]

...wait, does that mean the 20% enhanced orb awoken skill works the same way? So if you get 5 enhanced orb awakenings, all the orbs of that color that spawn are enhanced?
Yep! All Awoken Skills are additive until they proc. If you have 5 +orb Awoken Skills, every orb of that color that drops will have a + by it.

[obryn]

It's worth pointing out every demon has both row and orb enchantment. Asukax2, hellfire demon x4 has four row enhance, one out of five no enhanced orbs, constant spike damage and defense break and two change the worlds. It's not bad all things considered.
Yeah, with a relative dearth of red attackers, I've been using a Hellfire Demon on and off with both awoken skills in my Asuka team. It's ... not bad? The row awakening is nice and the stats work. Sadly, in practice, that spike damage is miniscule and hardly makes a difference for the kinds of dungeons I use it for. So I've traded him out for (usually) Gigas, who may not get Asuka's attacker bonus, but that orb change is vital to getting your rows together.

I really want the Attacker Gigas from the arcade collab bad, is what I'm saying, and will be whaling for it if it comes stateside. :smallbiggrin:

[SiuiS]

Yeah. The bonus of demons is cheap, easy, farmable, crazy skill able, and sufficient in enough numbers. Not a top end team, but sufficient.

I'm farming up rowdy reds myself.

[Fax Celestis]

Yep! All Awoken Skills are additive until they proc. If you have 5 +orb Awoken Skills, every orb of that color that drops will have a + by it.

Awesome. And as of today's patch, they'll retain the + when orbchanged.

...can we get +Hearts now? :smallconfused:

[SiuiS]

Awesome. And as of today's patch, they'll retain the + when orbchanged.

...can we get +Hearts now? :smallconfused:

... ... ... This requires testing.

UNICORN! DJ! TO THE FIELD!

[Samuel Sturm]

Yep, +hearts are a thing now. I'm not sure how useful they'd be, requiring 2 skill activations to make them, but this does open the door to heart orb enhance awoken and active skills. You can keep +orbs through guard stance/attack stance now, which is nice.

The real question is, does that mean +orb jammers are a thing now? And more scarily, +orb poison?

[Beacon of Chaos]

Yep! All Awoken Skills are additive until they proc.
I keep seeing this word around. What does it mean? It's not in the wiki's verbiage guide.

[Erloas]

I can't quite place the root word at the moment (mind blank, it is or was at least, obvious), but Proc means "goes off." It is a general gaming term now for whenever any chance based skill is triggered (by something outside your control)


Are skill bind attacks on a per-monster basis or do they always cover the entire team? The Awaken discussion got me thinking about it. Obviously things like poison and jammers can't be on a per-monster basis, but the active skill could go either way. I don't remember seeing skill binds affect anything but the whole team but I haven't ran into them more than once or twice total. The awoken has the same % chance reduction as the others block reducers, it would make the skill on Horus much more useful because his active sucks enough that it doesn't matter if he can use it or not.

I think the point of the +Health isn't to go out of your way to make +health orbs but if you have to switch a color you use you will at least get some bonus for it.

[Fax Celestis]

I can't quite place the root word at the moment (mind blank, it is or was at least, obvious), but Proc means "goes off."

It's short for "process" or "procedure", according to who you talk to. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/proc


I think the point of the +Health isn't to go out of your way to make +health orbs but if you have to switch a color you use you will at least get some bonus for it.

Right. Like, running around with Leilan as your leader (RGW enhanced orbs), hit Mitsuki (GW orbs to hearts), then Gigas (hearts to R). Probably not worth it 100% of the time, but there are def. corner cases.

[Jasmine]

I can't quite place the root word at the moment (mind blank, it is or was at least, obvious), but Proc means "goes off." It is a general gaming term now for whenever any chance based skill is triggered (by something outside your control)


Are skill bind attacks on a per-monster basis or do they always cover the entire team? The Awaken discussion got me thinking about it. Obviously things like poison and jammers can't be on a per-monster basis, but the active skill could go either way. I don't remember seeing skill binds affect anything but the whole team but I haven't ran into them more than once or twice total. The awoken has the same % chance reduction as the others block reducers, it would make the skill on Horus much more useful because his active sucks enough that it doesn't matter if he can use it or not.

I think the point of the +Health isn't to go out of your way to make +health orbs but if you have to switch a color you use you will at least get some bonus for it.

Skill bind covers whole team - which makes Horus and Luci both semi viable for Heracles/Izanami.

Proc could mean Programmed Random OCcurence, (randomly activated) PROCess, or (randomly activated) PROCedure, depending on who you ask. And yea, it's mostly used in other games with critical strikes or randomly activated buffs/special effects.

[Starwulf]

Well, my earlier assumption of being able to have 4 turns to get him to 50% HP, and then 3 turns after that to kill him were incredibly flawed. I forgot about his Fertile Guard status shield, which prevents Echidnas 3 turn delay from happening. I got him to about 60% HP(in one hit no less ><), knew that if I went again I'd take him down below 50%, tried to activate, and was screwed. I died >< Nearly threw my wifes tablet as well, was very ticked off because I had lilith drop, but she's just not worth wasting a stone on, no matter how much I want her to complete my "girls". So, now it's strictly a "4 turns to kill him, or die" kind of thing.

Edit: And another failed run. This time two Moltdras killed me, I wasn't thinking about whether or not they could one shot me together, I was just trying to stall for time, I was on round 8 and my Echidna was bound for 3 turns >< I swear, I'm about done with this damn dungeon, it's not worth wasting hundreds of stamina on it.

[Aramul]

So I should hit the 100 stamina threshold early tomorrow morning, yay! Totally looking forward to burning my 10 stone 100 day bonus on the next Green, Red, or Dark supers to come up.


Well, first run of Ancient Dark Dragon on Master was a total bust. I made it to the Fog Chimeras with 0 problems, but they were dual synced to attack on round one. Sad thing is, I Killed one, but the 2nd one decided it was going to use it's Double Strike, which btw, is listed as a 10% chance, on IT'S VERY FIRST TURN. So, there goes 40 stamina right down the drain. If I thought they CHimeras were a rare drop, I"d waste a stone on it because the one I killed, dropped, but I just don't think it is, so not gonna bother ><
I managed to clear master running my normal CuChu team, and thankfully I can clear the 14k double strike threshold with a high level friendly CuChu. The dungeon is definitely a lot more dangerous/stressful than the Light dragon, since I can't just run my nigh-unkillable dark team with one of my 4+ max level/high + Luci friends.


Well I figured out where the Noir snow globe went, it seems a Genie, a genie that was already max level (35, not even the final evo) ate +10 eggs, the snow globe, devilit, cupid, and 2x Apple Drawn.

So that was a huge waste. If she was going to have wasted my noir snow globe I wish she would have at least did it on someone where the exp wouldn't have been completely lost. There were dozens of other monsters she could have feed them to that would have at least got something out of it. Including the Genie, Light Elemental, who the other genie was going to awaken as soon as I got the evo material...
That's awful. I feel for you.

Edit: I just noticed that Super Emerald is tomorrow, right after I get home from work. GOODBYE MAGIC STONES, HELLO MAX LEVEL CUCHU!

[Starwulf]

Wow, I just had my absolute best luck EVER in skilling a monster up. I can almost guarantee it probably wont happen again for me for at least a year. I got 2 big baddies out of my PAL Machine pulls(btw, jack for luck out of 21 pulls, I managed to snag a red-trifruit, so if I get a blue one I can Ult.Evo Tiamat into his Twin Dark Star Tiamat form(huge boost in atk, like 1700 atk, with 2500 hp), so I evoed the one regular baddies I had, then fed all 3 to my vamp, and got 2 skill-ups out of it. LOL. Apparently he had one other skill up as well, so now I Just need 3 more for him to be maxed at 5 turns, which will be a massive boon.

Edit: And I finally beat the Master level with my healer team. Had all my skills ready when I got to him, delayed him, said screw it, gonna aim for a one turn kill, popped my valks ability to convert hearts into light orbs, popped King Shynees ability for a 3x burst on top of my x12.25, made about 6 combos(3 of them light, 1 1x4, 1x6 and 1x3), got 2-3 skyfalls including one more light orb combo and destroyed him(I forgot that since he's dark, my damage is doubled. All of my guys except for King Shynee hit for 500k damage, and only Echidna is not light, so 5x1mil means I could one-shot the Legend version, which is what i'll be aiming for next.

[Jasmine]

Wow, I just had my absolute best luck EVER in skilling a monster up.

on top of my x12.25
Makes me wish I had an Lmeta. Don't think I can do it :(

I got worse pulls than you. 50 PAL rolls, 1 green trifuit, 1 rainbow keeper, a dragon fruit (my 29th), and that's all.

On skillups, I didn't do so bad. Laphroig and Verche didn't get any from 4 feedings, but Hera got 4 out of 15. So now Horus team only needs 26 turns of stall instead of 30.

[Starwulf]

Makes me wish I had an Lmeta. Don't think I can do it :(

I got worse pulls than you. 50 PAL rolls, 1 green trifuit, 1 rainbow keeper, a dragon fruit (my 29th), and that's all.

On skillups, I didn't do so bad. Laphroig and Verche didn't get any from 4 feedings, but Hera got 4 out of 15. So now Horus team only needs 26 turns of stall instead of 30.

OUch, yeah that's absolutely horrible luck, though I wish I could trade you my red trifruit for your green trifruit, the green would allow me to finally Ult.Evo my Lightning Holy Dragon into Tornado Holy Dragon and replace Angelion on my Healer team. I got an RK and a light keeper and a Mythlit on top of the green trifruit.

Grats on the skill-ups! How low of a cool-down can Hera make it to on her gravity?

I tried the Legend version, but got killed on the 2x Demon(stage 5). Didn't manage to kill the dark one, and after that I was screwed, kept trying to fight back to full health so I could actually do some damage, but it wasn't happening. I'm thinking that's either going to be a 1-shot kill kind of thing for the BOTH of them, or hope and pray that either of the LMetas active is up so I can full health myself instantly and get another shot at killing them off. Didn't help any though that I only had 5 light orbs on the board, and only 4 red. The rest were all green and hearts, and my valk's heart to light orb skill wasn't up and ready yet, and I got ONE skyfall(Dark demon survived with approx 25% hp). Still, I think legend IS possible, I'm just going to have to really try my hardest to stall on the first 4 rounds through whatever means necessary(ie: hope for a Moltdra, eliminate everything but him, then just ping him with red orbs or just connect heart orbs) so I have Lmeta abilities active, or Valks.

[Jasmine]

Hera and Heracles both can be skilled down to 15 turns, which is my very long term goal. Theoretical 75*2 (Herais) / 3 runs = 50 stones for Hera, and 50 / 3 = 17 stones for Heracles. Heracles mythical is a LOT harder than Hera, though, so that number might be doubled or something.

I actually want the green trifruits too, even though my healer team will probably never see action, since without Lmeta I'm even more hurt for subs. Ohwell, last priority.

[Soepvork]

<snip>, so 5x1mil means I could one-shot the Legend version, which is what i'll be aiming for next.

Now that you mention it, the Legend level doesn't really seem more difficult than the Master version. I suspect my DQXQ/Bastet team can sweep through just as easily as it did on Master... the HP and ATK increase of the mons are fairly marginal, and the skills don't particularly seem stronger either. Actually, how correct are the skills in the wikia? Skills like dark bind and dark change to block seem to be odd choices for a tricolor dungeon without dark orbs.

[Kauai]

Man, I'm glad some of you are having luck with skillups. I swear, my game must have it turned off instead of doubled, as I fed around 40-50 different things trying for a skillup and haven't received a single one. Very very sad. :smallfrown:

Did 29 pulls on the PAL machine and only got 3 gold eggs. 1 was Gold Keeper tho (my first ever!), and another was a red dragon fruit which was fed to one of my Ronias for no skillup.

Debating if I should use that gold keeper to uvo my CuChu into Ignis CuChu. Is that uvo worth doing?

[Starwulf]

Man, I'm glad some of you are having luck with skillups. I swear, my game must have it turned off instead of doubled, as I fed around 40-50 different things trying for a skillup and haven't received a single one. Very very sad. :smallfrown:

Did 29 pulls on the PAL machine and only got 3 gold eggs. 1 was Gold Keeper tho (my first ever!), and another was a red dragon fruit which was fed to one of my Ronias for no skillup.

Debating if I should use that gold keeper to uvo my CuChu into Ignis CuChu. Is that uvo worth doing?

Takes him from 3 to 3.5xatk multiplier, find another one and you'll be sitting at 12.25. Personally though I don't think I'll ever do it, because the 3.5 comes with "must be at 80% health". It's ok with my LMeta team, Healers are super high RCV, so easy to recover health, not to mention LMeta's ability herself will fully heal you. Cu Chul and a balanced team have no such RCV or skill to bring them back up to max health, so once you dip below 80% HP, you're screwed(well, if you happen to be fighting things that ping you every turn).

Edit: I totally just realized that I didn't finish up Ancient Light Dragon. It was either Int or Exp level that I didn't do >< What a waste of a potential stone, sigh. OH well, if I manage to beat Legend version of Ancient Dark Dragon, I'll make sure I finish the other difficulties for the stone.

[obryn]

Man, I'm glad some of you are having luck with skillups. I swear, my game must have it turned off instead of doubled, as I fed around 40-50 different things trying for a skillup and haven't received a single one. Very very sad. :smallfrown:

Did 29 pulls on the PAL machine and only got 3 gold eggs. 1 was Gold Keeper tho (my first ever!), and another was a red dragon fruit which was fed to one of my Ronias for no skillup.

Debating if I should use that gold keeper to uvo my CuChu into Ignis CuChu. Is that uvo worth doing?
2/13 Laphroaig
0/4 Chaos Blizzard

:smalltongue:

IMO, Ignis Cuchu is awful and you shouldn't even consider it. :smallsmile:

[SiuiS]

I want to interject with 'Ignis Cu Chulain has direct synergy with white hot dancing goddess, Parvati', personally. But yeah, he sucks. The damage boost doesn't really benefit from his stats. The best you'll get is with my melody, where a stall lets you block enemy fire, heal, and then hit back from high power. Having one of each cu Chulain helps with that.

[Erloas]

So did you guys know Tamadra can drop with +s now?

I had 27 and 25 rolls saved up, hoping for some nice evo material (really need another dub-myth, out of ~250 stamina running Goddess in Paradise yesterday I got all of 1)
Erl got 4 gold eggs: +1 tamadra, dub-emlit, divine red mask, divine blue mask. So other than the tamadra a big bust.
Lor got 4 as well: green dragon fruit, dub-topalit, divine black mask, devilit (makes up for the one feed off by the kid). So at least decent for the rare evo material.


On an unrelated note, do you think it is worth bringing up 2 Liliths and going both evos? I want one for my devil team, not sure if she would stay with my healer team or not (being off-color for all the other healers), and I'm close to making a good attacker team that she would be very helpful on with her RCV (Misato&AAA Wunder would lead, with Anubis being an already strong sub and have King Flamie already).

I'm also thinking that the healer girls will probably get Tamadra for awakening. I had originally planned on feeding them for awakens but with Tamadra being relatively generously given out and exp being the hardest part to come by (and a few evo materials), I think that needs to be re-evaluated.
What is your guys' take on it?