How many DM's would

[Grayson01]

How many DM's would count a Dread Necromancer lvl1 as fullfilling the Prereq for this feat, even though by RAW it wouldn't?

Fearsome Necromancy
( Complete Mage, p. 42)

[General]


Creatures subjected to your necromantic spells feel the chill of fear.

Prerequisite
Spell Focus (necromancy) or necromancer level 1st,

Benefit
Any foe required to save against a necromancy spell you cast is shaken for 1 round, regardless of the result of the save. This mind-affecting fear ability does not stack with any other fear effect (it can't make a foe worse than shaken).

Special
A necromancer can select this feat as a wizard bonus feat.

[Gildedragon]

I would. Dread Necromancer is a necromancer. it's right there in the name.

[Aegis013]

Highly depends on the idea of the game and who I'm playing with.

I'd strongly lean towards allowing it, barring any special circumstance.

[KillianHawkeye]

I would absolutely allow it.

[Sir Chuckles]

I don't see why not.

[shadowseve]

I agree. To me a dread necro is by definition a necro.

[Grayson01]

Yeah That's how I feel to but RAW tends to forget things and some people are pretty stricked. I chalked this one up there with How Keen Eared Scout is not a Scout Bonus feat.

[Afgncaap5]

I'd allow it, sure.

[Alex12]

Absolutely. No question. As far as I'm concerned, Dread Necromancers count as necromancers and as having the Death Domain, at least for purposes of qualifying for stuff.
In my mind, all 3 limited-list arcanists count as specialists of whatever school their advanced learning gives them access to.
Besides, Dread Necromancer is a necromancer. Like Guigarci said, it's right in the name. Doing it otherwise would be like claiming that Cloistered Clerics don't count as Clerics, or a Paladin of Freedom doesn't count as a Paladin.

[137beth]

I'd allow it. In my mind, the specialized full casters are T3-ified wizards or sorcerers, who have been broken up into multiple classes. Gestalting can move you up in tiers, breaking up a class into specialized variants can move it down. The Dread Necromancer is meant to be a T3-ified Necromancer or death domain cleric.

[Peelee]

A Domain Wizard is still a wizard, and a Dread Necromancer is still a necromancer. Don't see the problem; I'd allow it

[Morrolan]

My interpretation, logic and common sense come before RAW when I DM.
And so, as people have pointed out above, a dread necromancer is a necromancer, so he qualifies.

I feel like sometimes people take RAW too far. It only serves as a (albeit useful) guideline as far as I am concerned.

[Jeff the Green]

Absolutely.

[nedz]

Clearly you are meant to be a Wizard who has specialised in Necromancy, instead you are a Dread Necromancer — which is a lower tier. I'd allow this fine.

[Cloud]

RAW is obviously for Wizards that are specialists in the school of necromancy.

Though that being said I would be perfectly fine with a Dread Necromancer taking that feat. ...Not that I see why a Dread Necromancer would when they have a Fear Aura and this feat doesn't escalate.

[Alex12]

Though that being said I would be perfectly fine with a Dread Necromancer taking that feat. ...Not that I see why a Dread Necromancer would when they have a Fear Aura and this feat doesn't escalate.

It's another source of fear, though. You just have to apply this effect first. Hit the target with a spell that does something else, apply the fear, then get up close and fear aura as a free action. Boom, now they're effectively neutralized for as long as the fear aura effect works.

[TuggyNE]

It's another source of fear, though. You just have to apply this effect first. Hit the target with a spell that does something else, apply the fear, then get up close and fear aura as a free action. Boom, now they're effectively neutralized for as long as the fear aura effect works.

Since it comes right out and says it doesn't stack and can't make a foe worse than shaken, I doubt this works.

[afroakuma]

RAW says no. As a DM, I supersede RAW.

Looking at it, it seems pretty obviously one of those things in that vast space of "this was written without correcting for other material in mind." I would absolutely allow it.

[atomicwaffle]

i'd allow it. It makes sense flavour-wise and if they want to spend a feat on that instead of something else i won't stop them.

[KorbeltheReader]

Sure.

Aside from a strict RAW for the sake of strict RAW stance, I can't think of a reason not to allow this. RAI, balance, verisimilitude, fun, encouraging well-balanced class choices, they all point toward allowing it.

[chickenkiller]

i would easily allow it. its not game breaking, it makes sense and it adds flavor

[OldTrees1]

I would allow it. I always love it when a player wants to play a DN/Beguiler over a Wizard.