Locate Object, Lead lining, Extradimension space... help?

[Bellberith]

okay so it says in locate object that lead lining will stop the spell.

but what if the lead lining was around an object that contained an extra dimensional space that contained the item.

^ in that scenario would the locate object locate the dimensional space the item was in. or would it be stopped by the lead lining.

the reason this question came up is because the logic is sound with both answers. if the space is "extra dimensional" then you are locating a space that has not been impacted by the lead lining. however if you are locating the pouch that contains the dimensional space then the lead lining would come in to play. what i want is not the pouch but the item inside of it.

[Trasilor]

okay so it says in locate object that lead lining will stop the spell.

but what if the lead lining was around an object that contained an extra dimensional space that contained the item.

^ in that scenario would the locate object locate the dimensional space the item was in. or would it be stopped by the lead lining.

the reason this question came up is because the logic is sound with both answers. if the space is "extra dimensional" then you are locating a space that has not been impacted by the lead lining. however if you are locating the pouch that contains the dimensional space then the lead lining would come in to play. what i want is not the pouch but the item inside of it.

If you define the Extra Dimensional space as beyond the confines of the lead surrounding it, it is then beyond the area of influence of the spell.

If you define the Extra Dimensional space as within the boundaries of the spell, then it is within the lead lined container thus blocked by the spell.

Anyway you slice it, Locate Object doesn't work...(in my opinion anyway)

[Red Fel]

If you define the Extra Dimensional space as beyond the confines of the lead surrounding it, it is then beyond the area of influence of the spell.

If you define the Extra Dimensional space as within the boundaries of the spell, then it is within the lead lined container thus blocked by the spell.

Anyway you slice it, Locate Object doesn't work...(in my opinion anyway)

Pretty much this. It's safe to assume that an extradimensional space, being in another dimension, is outside of the 400 ft + 40 ft/level range of Locate Object. Either that, or it's still in the lead box. So either it is untraceable by merit of being outside of the known universe, or it is untraceable by merit of being in a lead box.

[torrasque666]

Going off of the same idea, what would happen if the item/person a Retriever was seeking was placed in a nondimensional space such as a portable hole?

[Half-Wizard]

I'd say that the lead lining will still stop the spell, and the extradimensional space might stop the spell even if the lead lining didn't. Locate object only has a range of long. If you can't create a valid path to the object within that range, you can't locate it. A path from you to this object would have to pass through the lead lining, and that's not a valid path, so you won't be able to locate the object through the lead lining. Even if there were no lead, the spell doesn't specify that it works across planar boundaries, so the DM could justifiably rule that the bag of holding will conceal the object.

Here's a better idea: Locate lead. If the only lead lining within range is around the object you're looking for, then locating lead ought to find the item, assuming the DM allows locate object to locate lead.

[Trasilor]

Going off of the same idea, what would happen if the item/person a Retriever was seeking was placed in a nondimensional space such as a portable hole?

What's a Retriever? (source it please)

[unseenmage]

What's a Retriever? (source it please)

It's a Demon Construct specifically built to track down people and objects that demons want retrieved. (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/demon.htm)

[Trasilor]

It's a Demon Construct specifically built to track down people and objects that demons want retrieved. (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/demon.htm)[/QUOT

Locate Object vs Discern Location are magnitudes in difference.

Among other things, Discern Location has an infinite range...furthermore:

[QUOTE]The spell reveals the name of the creature or object’s location (place, name, business name, building name, or the like), community, county (or similar political division), country, continent, and the plane of existence where the target lies.

Extra dimensional space - such as a bag of holding - would qualify as Plane of Existence.

So, hiding in a bag of holding wouldn't work so much...

[Vogonjeltz]

Going off of the same idea, what would happen if the item/person a Retriever was seeking was placed in a nondimensional space such as a portable hole?

It would know exactly where the object was:


Find Target (Sp)

When ordered to find an item or a creature, a retriever does so unerringly, as though guided by discern location.


Nothing short of a mind blank spell or the direct intervention of a deity keeps you from learning the exact location of a single individual or object.

Locate Object is just much less powerful than Discern Location.

*boo trasilor posted first