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pendell
2014-05-15, 11:39 PM
Seriously, (https://medium.com/war-is-boring/6d4e32f0e00e) someone put some thought into it.

Honestly, I'm more worried about the robot apocalypse (http://twitchy.com/2014/05/12/the-un-is-all-over-the-killer-robot-apocalypse-threat-so-rest-easy/) myself.

Respectfully,

Brian P.

Zrak
2014-05-15, 11:53 PM
I think he's put some thought into it, but not much research; it doesn't seem tenable to suggest killing Godzilla by means of our most devastating non-nuclear weapon, given that nuclear options have been clearly established as inadequate Godzilla countermeasures in past films. If we're talking about Kaiju more generally, fair's fair, but Godzilla's clearly made out of sterner stuff than we're used to considering when considering the destructive potential of a weapon.

Icewraith
2014-05-16, 04:22 PM
Point out to Godzilla the massive inadequacies of scale in his physiology and watch him vanish in a cloud of epistemology.

Alternatively, lucid dream yourself awake before he steps on you or fries you with his breath.

Fire a cruise missile packed with asbestos up one of his nostrils.

Trick him into an area that has been purposefully mined out and see what happens when several ... thousand? tons of monster falls at least its own height. Considering how limited creatures like elephants are in the vertical dimension, I'm guessing the resultant sound can be described by "splat".

SMEE
2014-05-16, 04:48 PM
Do the Mothra song, wait for her to show up.
Problem solved. :smalltongue:

Seerow
2014-05-16, 05:25 PM
Point out to Godzilla the massive inadequacies of scale in his physiology and watch him vanish in a cloud of epistemology.

I was going to suggest building a machine that reasserts the laws of physics in a set area, but this works similarly.

Mr. Mask
2014-05-16, 08:18 PM
If you presume Godzilla is made out of materials that allow him to be of that size without capsizing himself... that's pretty scary.

Zrak
2014-05-17, 01:00 AM
Point out to Godzilla the massive inadequacies of scale in his physiology and watch him vanish in a cloud of epistemology.

The definition of epistemology, I presume, vanishing with him in the same cloud?


If you presume Godzilla is made out of materials that allow him to be of that size without capsizing himself... that's pretty scary.

Given that nuclear weapons are canonically established as insufficient to kill him, that being pretty much the whole idea of Godzilla, I think this is a reasonable assumption.

Killer Angel
2014-05-18, 03:15 PM
Seriously, (https://medium.com/war-is-boring/6d4e32f0e00e) someone put some thought into it.

Honestly, I'm more worried about the robot apocalypse (http://twitchy.com/2014/05/12/the-un-is-all-over-the-killer-robot-apocalypse-threat-so-rest-easy/) myself.

Respectfully,

Brian P.

considering the fact that the zombie threat is already covered (http://bhsjournalism.wordpress.com/2012/11/18/apocalypse-training/)...

Yora
2014-05-18, 03:36 PM
And all I can think is "could someone make a godzilla shaped mountain for one of these fancy earthquake and landslide simulators?"

Tyndmyr
2014-05-19, 12:30 PM
I think he's put some thought into it, but not much research; it doesn't seem tenable to suggest killing Godzilla by means of our most devastating non-nuclear weapon, given that nuclear options have been clearly established as inadequate Godzilla countermeasures in past films. If we're talking about Kaiju more generally, fair's fair, but Godzilla's clearly made out of sterner stuff than we're used to considering when considering the destructive potential of a weapon.

Nah. Nukes have a special relationship to Godzilla, so they can't really be used as a measure of "well, he can take that". Tough, sure, but yeah, things like eyes can inherently be attacked, no matter how big something is. Even if he is somehow indestructable, blinding, etc has to cause him some practical concerns.

Traab
2014-05-20, 09:05 PM
I would hire Naruto. He has shown the ability to handle giant creatures of mass destruction.

137beth
2014-05-20, 10:02 PM
How about building an Oxygen Destroyer?

Actually, there is an easier way: Slide a magnet next to the computer storing the master copy of whatever film you are using as the standard for Godzilla.

Broken Crown
2014-05-20, 10:21 PM
That might work for the latest versions, but the masters of the old versions are on actual film, so in those incarnations, Godzilla is immune to magnets.

Killer Angel
2014-05-21, 06:01 AM
I would hire Naruto. He has shown the ability to handle giant creatures of mass destruction.

If we go this way, then D&D adventurers got a good amount of experience fighting the Tarrasque.

Radar
2014-05-21, 08:38 AM
How do you feel about orbital bombardment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment)? The yield itself won't be as big as from a conventional or nuclear bomb, but the penetreting power of sharp tungsten rods is most likely the best thing we might potentialy have to pierce Godzilla's skin. It also kind of amuses me, that its just a high-tech pointed stick.

Traab
2014-05-21, 01:12 PM
How do you feel about orbital bombardment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment)? The yield itself won't be as big as from a conventional or nuclear bomb, but the penetreting power of sharp tungsten rods is most likely the best thing we might potentialy have to pierce Godzilla's skin. It also kind of amuses me, that its just a high-tech pointed stick.

I dont know if that would work well on a moving target though. I mean, arent they just really big bullets basically? It would be like a sniper trying to take down a target doing a gymnastics routine from a mile away.

pendell
2014-05-21, 03:04 PM
I dont know if that would work well on a moving target though. I mean, arent they just really big bullets basically? It would be like a sniper trying to take down a target doing a gymnastics routine from a mile away.

Godzilla isn't moving that fast.And you wouldn't use one rod -- more like a shotgun spread. 1/2MV^2 will kill anything if one of those two variables is large enough, and terminal velocity is a mighty big V.

The original proposal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment) was intended to target main battle tanks. And if they're precise enough to hit a tank they'll hit Godzilla no problem.

Respectfully,

Brian P.

Traab
2014-05-21, 03:14 PM
Ah ok, I thought they were meant to target vital structures and such. Rain down a rod from god onto the white house, pentagon, vital bridges, military bases, etc etc etc. A nice directed meteor strike to destroy whatever the heck you want to destroy.

Radar
2014-05-21, 03:27 PM
I dont know if that would work well on a moving target though. I mean, arent they just really big bullets basically? It would be like a sniper trying to take down a target doing a gymnastics routine from a mile away.
It is indeed a problem, but Godzilla is not known for being nimble, and the rods can have some maneuvering capabilities. It's still a difficult shot, but I can't think of anything else to punch through. Current railguns have lower projectile speeds and can't shoot arbitrarily heavy objects.

One might need to lure Godzilla with something, to make the movement more predictible. An alternative would be to blow through your ammo to saturate a larger area, but it's not a good solution.

Jayngfet
2014-05-21, 04:18 PM
It is indeed a problem, but Godzilla is not known for being nimble, and the rods can have some maneuvering capabilities. It's still a difficult shot, but I can't think of anything else to punch through. Current railguns have lower projectile speeds and can't shoot arbitrarily heavy objects.


Depending on the film Godzilla is actually reasonably fast on his feet. He's no wire-fu superhero but he's not exactly slow and plodding all the time either. Atomic breath with a quick turn could tear down a dozen gunships, and fielding too many in an emergency is a logistical nightmare anyway once you run out of however many you have on hand.

You could hit the eyes, but then you have a monster that's still on the move and capable of using it's other senses. It's progress, but you still need to make the kill shot.

pendell
2014-05-22, 02:19 PM
Depending on the film Godzilla is actually reasonably fast on his feet. He's no wire-fu superhero but he's not exactly slow and plodding all the time either. Atomic breath with a quick turn could tear down a dozen gunships, and fielding too many in an emergency is a logistical nightmare anyway once you run out of however many you have on hand.

You could hit the eyes, but then you have a monster that's still on the move and capable of using it's other senses. It's progress, but you still need to make the kill shot.

What does Godzilla *eat*? It occurs to me that if , say, a school bus full of TNT could be detonated inside his gullet, that would bypass the tough skin and do no end of injury to the vital organs.

Respectfully,

Brian P.

137beth
2014-05-22, 02:47 PM
That might work for the latest versions, but the masters of the old versions are on actual film, so in those incarnations, Godzilla is immune to magnets.

Crap...guess we'd just have to kill it with fire...


If we go this way, then D&D adventurers got a good amount of experience fighting the Tarrasque.

Plane-Shift to the demiplane of Oxygen-Destroyer?

GloatingSwine
2014-05-22, 09:28 PM
Seriously, nuclear weapons make absolutely no dent on big G, and people still think "yeah, we can totally take him".

Nope. You wait for him to get bored of knocking your city over and wander off.

pendell
2014-05-24, 06:53 PM
Seriously, nuclear weapons make absolutely no dent on big G, and people still think "yeah, we can totally take him".

Nope. You wait for him to get bored of knocking your city over and wander off.

I must disagree. Godzilla may be immune to nuclear weapons but if he is a creature of flesh and blood he is a creature that can be killed. If his skin is too tough for nuclear weapons, what if we try drilling our way in with a diamond-tipped drill? How about, as I said, introducing something explosive into his interior, bypassing the tough skin? It need not be his mouth. I can think of at least one other aperture on the creature.

Nor does it have to be explosive. If we could introduce an appropriate chemical by the same method, such as Potassium chloride, that would stop his heart.

Or , if we want to get technical and SF-y, how about a genetically engineered retrovirus, again, introduced via the same mechanism?

Or how about some kind of gas? If godzilla needs to breathe oxygen, we can introduce contaminants or other drugs via the same method.

At the upper end of the scale there are dinosaur-killer asteroids whose impact makes even double-digit megaton nuclear weapons look like firecrackers. Though given the deployment of such things would probably end human civilization also, it's probably an absolute last resort.

The fact that a creature is immune to nuclear weapons is not an I win button. If it is a living creature, it can be killed. The rest is engineering.

*Thinking some more*

On the really SFy side of things antimatter has been synthesized at the atomic level (http://newscenter.lbl.gov/news-releases/2010/11/17/antimatter-atoms/). And antimatter is pretty much guaranteed to annihilate any material it interacts with.

I'm thinking a couple of molecules of the stuff, deployed appropriately, would be adequate to really rip up godzilla WITHOUT destroying the planet in the process. Even if it didn't kill him outright, it should still disrupt his armor such that we could follow up with a kill-shot with more conventional weapons.



Respectfully,

Brian P.

Slipperychicken
2014-05-24, 08:56 PM
What if we picked up a sample of godzilla tissues, and found something poisonous to it? Or synthesized a virus which could destroy it. Even godzilla needs things to pass in and out of his cells, so it's just a matter of finding something which will pass through and wreak havoc. And also figuring out what makes him so durable, then making armor clothes out of that.

I do find the military guy's arguments convincing, though. I doubt godzilla's radioactive breath range exceeds that of our gunships. From there, it's just a matter of turning him into paste from a distance. Or from outside his perception, at least.

Leviting
2014-05-24, 10:08 PM
What if we picked up a sample of godzilla tissues, and found something poisonous to it? Or synthesized a virus which could destroy it. Even godzilla needs things to pass in and out of his cells, so it's just a matter of finding something which will pass through and wreak havoc. And also figuring out what makes him so durable, then making armor clothes out of that.

I do find the military guy's arguments convincing, though. I doubt godzilla's radioactive breath range exceeds that of our gunships. From there, it's just a matter of turning him into paste from a distance. Or from outside his perception, at least.

The hard part is getting a sample of godzilla tissue...

Slipperychicken
2014-05-24, 10:13 PM
The hard part is getting a sample of godzilla tissue...

I'm sure that while wrecking a city and getting shot at, he'd leave a sample somewhere :smalltongue:

Broken Crown
2014-05-25, 01:42 AM
(a variety of suggestions)

Some good ideas here. Chemical weapons did him in in the first movie, so no reason they couldn't work again, or for a virus to do the same thing.


If his skin is too tough for nuclear weapons, what if we try drilling our way in with a diamond-tipped drill? How about, as I said, introducing something explosive into his interior, bypassing the tough skin? It need not be his mouth. I can think of at least one other aperture on the creature.

The trouble with attacking Godzilla from the inside is that his tissues would have to be ludicrously tough all the way through his body, not just on the outside, in order to avoid liquifying under his own weight.

(Some people mentioned going for the eyes. They're probably a relatively weak spot, but you'd still need anti-tank weapons, at a minimum, to have any effect. If Godzilla were less tough than that, his eyes would pop on their own.)


On the really SFy side of things antimatter has been synthesized at the atomic level (http://newscenter.lbl.gov/news-releases/2010/11/17/antimatter-atoms/). And antimatter is pretty much guaranteed to annihilate any material it interacts with.

I'm thinking a couple of molecules of the stuff, deployed appropriately, would be adequate to really rip up godzilla WITHOUT destroying the planet in the process. Even if it didn't kill him outright, it should still disrupt his armor such that we could follow up with a kill-shot with more conventional weapons.
A couple of molecules of antimatter will only annihilate a couple of molecules of matter. The reaction of a molecule of, say, glucose (C6H1206) with anti-glucose would produce a whopping 54 microjoules of energy, which might be measurable in lab conditions with sensitive instruments, but Godzilla definitely wouldn't notice. That said, enough antimatter should do the trick, but would have plenty of side effects on the surrounding area. 25 mg of antimatter would annihilate a whole 25 mg of Godzilla, if you achieved a 100% reaction, and would produce a radioactive explosion equivalent to 1 megatonne of TNT (about 4.2 gigajoules).

There's also the question of deploying it effectively (or safely, but if we're using nuclear weapons, we're not really worried about safety anymore). Antimatter isn't going to wait to affect Godzilla if it can react with anything else first.

Killer Angel
2014-05-26, 06:08 AM
If it is a living creature, it can be killed. The rest is engineering.


I totally agree on this basic concept. The only possible objection could be "do we have a sufficient level of technology to kill 'zilla?"

(for example, if you pick the lowest lev. Kaiju from pacific rim, which was killed by standard weapons, and you put it in 1800, nothing in that century could stop it, even if we know the thing is killable)

Wardog
2014-05-26, 12:08 PM
It is indeed a problem, but Godzilla is not known for being nimble,

Oh (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuEa6Hum0b4) really (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGNhLZuD6a8)?


(And because it's awesome: the first one again with appropriate music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66B6abTii_U)).

TwistInTheMyth
2014-05-26, 12:21 PM
Godzilla can't die. He just naps for awhile and waits for humanity/other monster to cause a mess he has to clean up. Or until he gets bored.

Seriously though, you have to consider which incarnation of Godzilla we're talking about. I've only seen maybe a third of the movies but I seem to remember his size and abilities changing periodically. Some of the smaller, slower ones would probably not be too horribly hard to take down with our current or not too far in the future weapons.

Radar
2014-05-26, 01:54 PM
Oh (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuEa6Hum0b4) really (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGNhLZuD6a8)?


(And because it's awesome: the first one again with appropriate music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66B6abTii_U)).
I stand corrected. :smallamused:

Soo... should we start a Satelite Orbital Laser project?

pendell
2014-05-26, 03:35 PM
I stand corrected. :smallamused:

Soo... should we start a Satelite Orbital Laser project?

Kinetic energy weapons are still a better bet even if they require terminal guidance. The profile would not especially different from a laser-guided bomb or a JDAM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Direct_Attack_Munition) and could be steered to the target. In fact, the original proposal of THOR expected there to be such guidance. As I've mentioned before, these weapons are accurate enough to target a main battle tank, so a target the size of Godzilla would pose no problem.

An orbital laser would only be really useful if either 1) We really did have matter/antimatter conversion for the power source 2) We were able to coax Godzilla into a vacuum. Earth's atmosphere is quite thick, and a great deal of energy will be lost or distorted.

So if we're talking orbital weapons, kinetic energy is the way to go.

ETA: Something to think about in regard to nuclear weapons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_nuclear_explosions) is that much, if not most, of the energy of an explosion goes in all directions, so there is reason to believe Godzilla would be vulnerable to conventional weapons IF they were more precisely targeted, losing less of the energy. It's the same principle by which a TLAM can destroy a nuclear-proof bunker because it can be flown *into* a vent, detonating inside. A conventional 500 kg warhead precisely on target can do far more execution than a multi-megaton warhead that's off by some distance, especially if we're talking a reinforced concrete bunker.

Respectfully,

Brian P.

No brains
2014-05-27, 08:39 PM
Oh (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuEa6Hum0b4) really (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGNhLZuD6a8)?


(And because it's awesome: the first one again with appropriate music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66B6abTii_U)).

That last one should have had Sir Lancelot's 'idiom drums' while he was running up.

Although the question itself is wrong. Don't kill Godzilla. Godzilla is around to kill Ghidorahs and Desotroyahs and Biollantes. Godzilla is at least predictable and has a tendency to enforce his position as the, thankfully slothful, King of the Monsters.

Also, indestructibility is one of Godzilla's powers. Godzilla somehow got back up after being skeletonized, and another movie shows Godzilla reduced to a still-beating and already regenerating heart. (I forget which one...)

Perhaps the one way to make a Godzilla-less world is to wait until the end of Godzilla's ~50 year lifespan and contain he heat while Godzilla melts down while also keeping any young Godzillas away from the resultant radiation. Although, without the young Godzilla to absorb it, such a catastrophic release would be extremely bad on its own. This scenario was addressed in 1995's Godzilla vs. Desotroyah.

Zrak
2014-05-29, 01:19 AM
Godzilla is reduced to a regenerating heart in Godzilla, Mothra, and King Ghidorah. The idea of regenerating from a still-beating heart is a callback to the Frakenstein's Monster Kaiju from a much earlier film. Speaking of GMK, I guess if we developed a drilling missile, it would kind of make Godzilla mad, so I could see orbital bombardment also making him pretty mad; I recall Godzilla being super pissed about getting hit by an asteroid, at one point. If we developed a drilling missile and managed to hit Godzilla in a wound caused by a supercharged King Ghidorah, or hit him with an orbital missile in a wound caused by a supercharged King Ghidorah, it might actually sorta hurt him. If that wound also happened to be along the path his atomic breath travels, his own atomic breath might destroy everything except his heart, which would continue to beat and gradually regenerate a new body.

For real, though, humanity killing Godzilla just is not feasible; history shows, again and again, how nature points out the folly of man.

pendell
2014-05-29, 09:45 AM
Another alternative: project orion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_(nuclear_propulsion)). Godzilla weighs (http://godzilla.wikia.com/wiki/Godzilla) at minimum 20,000 tons and a maximum of 90,000 tons.

So we build an orion space craft powered by atom bombs. 90,000 tons sounds big, but its about the same size as a modern aircraft carrier.

Lure Godzilla onto the launching platform, then launch it and him into space. Even if we cannot kill him directly [which I do not concede], we can still get rid of him, send him out of orbit into the sun or on a never ending cometary orbit around the solar system.


Respectfully,

Brian P.

Zrak
2014-05-29, 12:34 PM
I can't really see Godzilla just hanging out on the platform for long enough to actually get into space. Plus, I don't really know if detonating more atomic bombs around him is a good idea.

pendell
2014-05-29, 04:15 PM
I can't really see Godzilla just hanging out on the platform for long enough to actually get into space. Plus, I don't really know if detonating more atomic bombs around him is a good idea.

The original designs were for a largish ship, it can be scaled up to accommodate a platform of any size. I also invite you to consider the acceleration you get from standing on top of an atomic bomb. You're going to move
Nor will the radiation effect Godzilla, since the entire point of Orion is to redirect the energy of the blast away from the ship's occupants and use it as thrust.

I should point out, by the way, that the mere fact we're having this discussion is an indication that even in the 1950s materials were known or theorized which could withstand an atomic blast at grand zero, which is the material the plate is made from. But if 'invulnerable to nuclear weapons' meant 'totally invulnerable in any circumstance', we could never work the material to shape it into a plate in the first place.

So the idea that something invulnerable to nuclear weapons is completely invulnerable must not be true.

At any rate, the major problem with the solution -- quite aside from the sheer cost -- is the fact that we're going to be making a mess of the country UNDER the ship when it takes off. That's the reason Project Orion was cancelled to begin with. But if people are desperate enough, they'll do what it takes.

The reason humans are the dominant species is because we found ways to use intelligence to overcome mammoths and saber-toothed tigers. Godzilla is no different, simply larger in scale. If our current weapons won't do the trick, build better ones. We are humans, and we are adaptable and intelligent. Godzilla is neither. The only thing he has going for him is Author Fiat, and once out of that and into any kind of objective environment, he is quite defeatable.


Respectfully,

Brian P.

Lord Torath
2014-05-29, 09:23 PM
Now, when we say Godzilla is immune to nuclear weapons, what exactly is he immune to? Electromagentic Radiation? Extreme temperature? Extreme pressure? Because most conventional weapons rely on extremes of temperature and pressure for their destructive force. Both of which are present in nuclear detonations. Lasers also rely on concentrated electromagnetic radiation. So if he's immune to all the components of a nuclear weapon, there's not really a lot we can do to touch him.

Zrak
2014-05-30, 01:01 AM
The original designs were for a largish ship, it can be scaled up to accommodate a platform of any size. I also invite you to consider the acceleration you get from standing on top of an atomic bomb. You're going to move
I'm still a little dubious. Even at a pretty ludicrous speed, you're going to need a pretty big platform for Godzilla not to be able to run off before he's in outer space, and the bigger the platform, the more fallout you're creating. At the point this seems like a reliable solution, I just can't imagine people being "desperate enough." Given that Godzilla is typically the lesser evil compared to the Kaiju he defeats, and given that the effects of nuclear fallout on the scale required to launch a really large platform into space could be much more global and devastating than the occasional wrecked city, I just can't imagine the benefits outweighing the costs.


We are humans, and we are adaptable and intelligent. Godzilla is neither.

I disagree. Godzilla has been shown to be pretty adaptable and intelligent; every few movies, there's a monster that's immune to most of his tricks, and Godzilla usually finds a way of taking it out.


Now, when we say Godzilla is immune to nuclear weapons, what exactly is he immune to? Electromagentic Radiation? Extreme temperature? Extreme pressure? Because most conventional weapons rely on extremes of temperature and pressure for their destructive force. Both of which are present in nuclear detonations. Lasers also rely on concentrated electromagnetic radiation. So if he's immune to all the components of a nuclear weapon, there's not really a lot we can do to touch him.

I'd say he's only specifically immune to radiation, it's just that the extremes of temperature and pressure in a nuclear blast give a good indication of the kind of punishment from which Godzilla can emerge entirely unscathed. The issue isn't that he's invulnerable because he can withstand ground zero of a nuclear detonation, it's that one of the most potent destructive forces ever devised has about as much effect on Godzilla as a wet noodle.

MLai
2014-05-30, 06:33 AM
So we need giant robots, right?
(with rocket punch)

pendell
2014-05-30, 07:40 AM
So if he's immune to all the components of a nuclear weapon, there's not really a lot we can do to touch him.


He's vulnerable to other Kaiju, isn't he? That means there is some level of force that can penetrate his armor. Find out what it is, emulate it. That'll be a lot easier, I think, then attempting to tame or control Kaiju.

Respectfully,

Brian P.

Seerow
2014-05-30, 08:51 AM
I'd say he's only specifically immune to radiation, it's just that the extremes of temperature and pressure in a nuclear blast give a good indication of the kind of punishment from which Godzilla can emerge entirely unscathed. The issue isn't that he's invulnerable because he can withstand ground zero of a nuclear detonation, it's that one of the most potent destructive forces ever devised has about as much effect on Godzilla as a wet noodle.


He actually specifically feeds off radiation (along with the other Kaiju in this godzilla reboot). If them feeding off radiation isn't just required for sustenance, but factors into helping them recover/heal, the radiation from a nuclear blast could potentially help it as much as hurt it, leaving it more or less neutral.

I would definitely want to see the effects of some higher power non-nuclear devices before ruling out the possibility at least.

Icewraith
2014-05-30, 12:33 PM
I don't think we'd care too much about Godzilla regenerating if we launch him into orbit. Even if he had enough juice to use his breath as a thruster and could survive re-entry and doesn't need to breathe, he'd have one hell of a time maneuvering since he by definition wouldn't be able to see where he's going and the thrust would always be creating a huge moment that would mostly spin him around.

Also, "epistemology" might not have been the best term to use there, but destroying something by convincing it that it can't exist would be a triumph in a number of disciplines. And would result in all philosophers having to register themselves as lethal weapons.

Wardog
2014-06-01, 05:53 AM
I'm still a little dubious. Even at a pretty ludicrous speed, you're going to need a pretty big platform for Godzilla not to be able to run off before he's in outer space, and the bigger the platform, the more fallout you're creating. At the point this seems like a reliable solution, I just can't imagine people being "desperate enough." Given that Godzilla is typically the lesser evil compared to the Kaiju he defeats, and given that the effects of nuclear fallout on the scale required to launch a really large platform into space could be much more global and devastating than the occasional wrecked city, I just can't imagine the benefits outweighing the costs.

Not only that, but all that radiation is probably going to spawn a whole load more kaiju. And your best anti-kaiju defence has just been launched into space :smallredface:


(Also - what if sending Godzilla into space backfires in the same way that sending the Hulk into space backfired?)

GloatingSwine
2014-06-02, 08:32 AM
He's vulnerable to other Kaiju, isn't he? That means there is some level of force that can penetrate his armor. Find out what it is, emulate it. That'll be a lot easier, I think, then attempting to tame or control Kaiju.

Respectfully,

Brian P.

Maybe not.

By his sheer ability to continue existing and not collapse into a pool of goo and shattered bone under his own weight, Godzilla thumbs his nose at modern and near future capacity for structural engineering.

You might be able to work out the forces exerted in a Kaiju fight, but building something that can structurally survive delivering them may not be so easy. Orbital kinetic strike might be your only chance (anything that attempts to fire terrestrially with sufficient force will simply blow itself to bits thanks to the second law of motion), but as previously mentioned, Godzilla isn't a slow target.

tomandtish
2014-06-04, 05:23 PM
Why kill him? I, for one, welcome our new reptilian overlord!

noparlpf
2014-06-05, 06:16 AM
Hmm. Orbital bombardment could work. Even if we can't damage Godzilla with normal means, I don't see why we couldn't immobilise it long enough to drop a gigantic space arrow on it. And then we could explore its physiology and exploit its apparent physics-defying properties.

Zrak
2014-06-05, 01:01 PM
I'm pretty sure Godzilla got hit by a straight-up asteroid in one movie and it just kinda pissed him off. In another movie, he was able to shoot an asteroid out of the sky with his atomic breath on its way down. I'm not saying orbital bombardment couldn't work, but I don't exactly think it's reliable.

Also, given the number of times different aliens have come to Earth to mind control Godzilla or one of the other monsters, I'm pretty sure sending Godzilla into space would absolutely backfire.


Also, "epistemology" might not have been the best term to use there, but destroying something by convincing it that it can't exist would be a triumph in a number of disciplines.

Epistemology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistemology) really is not one of them, though. :smalltongue: I believe you are confusing it with ontology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontology).

Raimun
2014-06-08, 12:33 PM
It's so obvious.

You need to build a giant robot to kill godzilla.

Then you pilot the giant robot to punch, kick and wrestle godzilla to death.

Perhaps also shoot it with giant robot-guns, just to establish that they don't work.

GloatingSwine
2014-06-08, 05:20 PM
Been tried. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wQ8FKGMHHk)

Didn't work so good.

Storm Bringer
2014-06-09, 04:34 AM
I'm pretty sure Godzilla got hit by a straight-up asteroid in one movie and it just kinda pissed him off. In another movie, he was able to shoot an asteroid out of the sky with his atomic breath on its way down. I'm not saying orbital bombardment couldn't work, but I don't exactly think it's reliable.

Also, given the number of times different aliens have come to Earth to mind control Godzilla or one of the other monsters, I'm pretty sure sending Godzilla into space would absolutely backfire.



Epistemology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistemology) really is not one of them, though. :smalltongue: I believe you are confusing it with ontology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontology).

Bear in mind, a very high speed kenetic strike will pass though the atmosphere in a second or two, which means G window to melt it is very small, given the observed range of hid breath. And he will be hit with enough force to wipe out Whole continents. I don't care how tough he is, if you hit him hard enough, he will die.

Out of interest, has Godzilla ever been hit by a direct contact nuke? Surviving a nuke landing near you is one thing. Getting back up when a bomb goes off between your feet is another.


Failing that, we pack up and move into space. Or go traction city's like in mortal engines.

Zrak
2014-06-09, 03:22 PM
I don't really disagree that if you hit him hard enough, he'll die, I'm just saying that if he racts to being hit by asteroids with annoyance, I don't know if anything even remotely approaching "hard enough" is within human capacity at this time.

Icewraith
2014-06-10, 04:04 PM
Maybe the reason nothing seems to bother Godzilla too much is he's actually superdense and can manipulate spacetime such that he doesn't distort anything further than a few inches from him. Most projectiles fired at him don't actually hit him, they break up harmlessly when they encounter the horrifically twisted space in his immediate vicinity and explode or disintegrate under the stress.

If his ability to manipulate spacetime is a conscious process, it might be that successfully knocking him out would immediately collapse the earth into his vicinity like a bottle sucking in an egg. Probably an unconscious process then.

Eric Tolle
2014-06-13, 04:46 PM
It's actually pretty easy. You just wait for the friendly source aliens to encase Godzilla in a force bubble and transport him to their planet to fight another monster. Our let the friendly space aliens build a robot or create a monster to defeat Godzilla.

Nothing can possibly go wrong with this plan. You can always trust friendly space aliens.

Tanuki Tales
2014-06-23, 07:00 PM
Depends on the Godzilla we're talking about anyways.

Marvel's Godzilla stalemated the Classic Avengers and no-sold blows from Classic Thor.

More of the recent Godzillas fought things that should be reasonably able to destroy a moderately sized island to a small country under their own power.

One of the newer Godzilla's did crazy things like resisting the pull of and closing a black hole with his atomic fire breath and sniping a meteor that was approaching Earth's atmosphere.

And then you have Oni Godzilla, who was an evil Undead God and could basically regenerate from a single cell (if not less).

No clue how strong 2014 Godzilla is though.

Legato Endless
2014-06-23, 10:22 PM
Depends on the Godzilla we're talking about anyways.

Marvel's Godzilla stalemated the Classic Avengers and no-sold blows from Classic Thor.

More of the recent Godzillas fought things that should be reasonably able to destroy a moderately sized island to a small country under their own power.

One of the newer Godzilla's did crazy things like resisting the pull of and closing a black hole with his atomic fire breath and sniping a meteor that was approaching Earth's atmosphere.

And then you have Oni Godzilla, who was an evil Undead God and could basically regenerate from a single cell (if not less).

No clue how strong 2014 Godzilla is though.

No where near Millennium series or Marvel shenanigans, but not precisely a push over. He survives the Castle Bravo test, so 15 megatons wasn't enough, along with a series of Kiloton level detonations. None of these work. He is however slower and much more ponderous, and the film definitely gives an aged warrior vibe to him. He passes out twice from what appears to be exhaustion, and two antagonists are able to pummel him into submission until one of them is forced to try to save her children. A building also falls on him and this is treated as an oddly threatening moment…but I think that's just overtly dramatic framing.

Tanuki Tales
2014-06-23, 10:35 PM
So he's a middle ground incarnation then; not too shabby.

If memory serves, the only thing that actually hurt the more recent versions were having his secondary brain destroyed (which was completely dropped after that movie) and getting hit in the chest with a beam of energy that reduced anything hit to absolute zero (though this only caused a nasty chest wound that made Godzilla temporarily retreat). He's taken tectonic pressure (the Battra movie I believe), gravimetric assaults (Ghidorah's "lightning"), asteroid impacts, being exposed to the vacuum (I think in the original Ghidorah movie), all nature of modern, slightly futuristic and alien weaponry and still kept on ticking without really being too drastically phased. Add on to this the fact that he has shown a penchant for energy absorption in a few movies and I don't believe there's a way to stop him that's currently available to us.

I question if even the Oxygen Destroyer would still be a viable weapon against him and we know that those anti-radiation microbes were only sufficient to put him into a temporary coma and weren't even tried after he was upgraded in the Mecha-King Ghidorah flick.

Legato Endless
2014-06-23, 11:23 PM
We are humans, and we are adaptable and intelligent. Godzilla is neither.

To give a few examples of what Zrak mentioned how this isn't true, in addition to his apparent ability to counter an artificially generated black hole, Godzilla is quite adapt at changing tactics to overcome a problematic enemy. In the fight with Orga, he allows himself to be partially swallowed to overcome Orga's regeneration by using a nuclear pulse from the inside. He played possum to lure Megaguirus into a lethal trap. In the newest film, he forces the female antagonist's mouth open to fire his breath and melt her from the inside when her outer armor proves resistant to his attacks, and tricks the male when he has difficultly dealing with its agility. He was able to cause a feedback loop to fry Mechagodzilla II's systems, and turned himself into a gigantic electro magnetic to defeat the first incarnation. He's able to identity the weaknesses of Space Godzilla, Hedora, among others and exploit these factors. Granted, the overall intelligence level does vary considerably from possible animal cunning to outright confirmed sentience, but in any event, Godzilla can most definitely think and strategize.

Jaycemonde
2014-06-24, 08:39 PM
What does Godzilla *eat*?

Fish. For the babbies.

Tanuki Tales
2014-06-24, 09:51 PM
Fish. For the babbies.

I am mildly offended that people still consider Zilla in such a manner.