Did Roy just upgrade to heavier armor or is it an art improvement?

[7RED7]

I just noticed that Roy seems to be wearing armor that hangs down a bit lower over the last couple pages. Is that just due to wearing more layers for cold protection (like Haley), or is it possible that he actually upgraded his armor a bit, or both?

[factotum]

Given there have been several art upgrades since the hiatus I'm going to say this is just another one--there isn't any practical way Roy could have got hold of heavier armour since he's been on the Mechane for three days.

[smuchmuch]

I do vaguely remember (but can't find sadly so I could be wrong) the giant comenting somewhere that Roy alway had lapels, they just didn't appear before. So it's the art upgrade.

[Jaxzan Proditor]

I'm going to go with "art upgrade".

[Keltest]

I do vaguely remember (but can't find sadly so I could be wrong) the giant comenting somewhere that Roy alway had lapels, they just didn't appear before. So it's the art upgrade.

I believe it was a tweet. "Roy has had his share of faulds from the beginning, but he is only just now coming to realize how they affect him and his leadership." or something similar to that.

[Jaxzan Proditor]

I believe it was a tweet. "Roy has had his share of faulds from the beginning, but he is only just now coming to realize how they affect him and his leadership." or something similar to that.

Here (https://mobile.twitter.com/RichBurlew/status/453209037174083585) it is. You had it almost word for word. :smallsmile:

[7RED7]

Ahh, cool. I kinda figured that's what it was, but I didn't know if the two were mutually exclusive.

[Zmeoaice]

Well Haley definitely had a wardrobe change, so it's possible that the other members got other equipment from the Mechane, although I think Roy's new look is just due to the art upgrade.

[Quild]

According to the second panel of #902 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0902.html), he did.

[ChristianSt]

According to the second panel of #902 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0902.html), he did.

I'm not sure what exactly the "he did" refers to, but it only makes sense if you mean "it was an art upgrade".

[Quild]

I'm not sure what exactly the "he did" refers to, but it only makes sense if you mean "it was an art upgrade".

Hmmm no, I was directly answering to the thread title. He did upgrade to heavy armor.

I was under the strong impression that he had medium armor some time ago, but didn't notice whent there could have been a change of armor.
On another hand, the "heavy" in #902 may not be a reference to armor category. Maybe Roy has indeed medium armor and only the art changed.

[Jaxzan Proditor]

Hmmm no, I was directly answering to the thread title. He did upgrade to heavy armor.

I was under the strong impression that he had medium armor some time ago, but didn't notice whent there could have been a change of armor.
On another hand, the "heavy" in #902 may not be a reference to armor category. Maybe Roy has indeed medium armor and only the art changed.

If he had heavy armor back in #902, then he has probably had it this whole time and only now (with the art upgrade) can we see it. The OP was asking if he had upgraded his armor between #946 and #948, which he has not.

[ChristianSt]

Hmmm no, I was directly answering to the thread title. He did upgrade to heavy armor.

I was under the strong impression that he had medium armor some time ago, but didn't notice whent there could have been a change of armor.
On another hand, the "heavy" in #902 may not be a reference to armor category. Maybe Roy has indeed medium armor and only the art changed.

That doesn't make sense to me. Clearly the armor in #902 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0902.html) is the same as in #1 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0001.html) (unless you want to start arguing that adding the belt was a change of armor and not an art upgrade).

The question of the OP was whether the recent changes (#948 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0948.html)+) was an armor or an art upgrade.


Putting together your statement "in #902 (and so from the beginning) he had heavy armor" and the assert "he now has heavy armor" implies "this was an art upgrade".


[And unless you want to mess around, saying "he did" to "Did he A or B?" doesn't help in finding out whether you mean A or B...]

[Quild]

That doesn't make sense to me. Clearly the armor in #902 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0902.html) is the same as in #1 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0001.html) (unless you want to start arguing that adding the belt was a change of armor and not an art upgrade).

The question of the OP was whether the recent changes (#948 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0948.html)+) was an armor or an art upgrade.


Putting together your statement "in #902 (and so from the beginning) he had heavy armor" and the assert "he now has heavy armor" implies "this was an art upgrade".


[And unless you want to mess around, saying "he did" to "Did he A or B?" doesn't help in finding out whether you mean A or B...]

Oh, I had to make sense? Seems really obvious to me that there wasn't any unexplained change of armor between the end of the previous book and the start of the current one and it was already answered. I wanted to react on the question about his armor change, because I thought that it was clear at some point that Roy had medium armor and because there was a reference to him wearing heavy armor (could be that some medium armor are still quite heavy for swimming, because it is very likely that there hadn't been any armor change).
If that helps you, yes, I was slightly off topic. Maybe a little more than slightly.

[Actually, "he did" or "he didn't" would be a response to A while "it is" or "it isn't" would be an answer to B, so my answer was clearly to A, not answering about the art improvement. Since I don't make sense, this wasn't a "logic" answer :D]

[dtilque]

That doesn't make sense to me. Clearly the armor in #902 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0902.html) is the same as in #1 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0001.html) (unless you want to start arguing that adding the belt was a change of armor and not an art upgrade).

The belt was neither, of course. It's his Belt of Giant's Strength, acquired here (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0687.html)

[tyckspoon]

because I thought that it was clear at some point that Roy had medium armor and because there was a reference to him wearing heavy armor (could be that some medium armor are still quite heavy for swimming, because it is very likely that there hadn't been any armor change).
If that helps you, yes, I was slightly off topic. Maybe a little more than slightly.


Armor check penalties on skills are doubled for Swim. Roy wears a Breastplate (or did the last time we were explicitly told what his armor is) which would give a -8 to his Swim checks. Assuming he doesn't actually have any (or not many, at least) points in the Swim skill, he'd be struggling just to move even in calm water and have a pretty high risk of going under. So yeah, Roy wears medium armor that happens to be heavy. Contrast to Durkon, who wears heavy armor. (See also the up a level/down a level gag.)

[Jaxzan Proditor]

These kinds of definitions become some much more irritating when there is a D&D term and a real term.

[factotum]

These kinds of definitions become some much more irritating when there is a D&D term and a real term.

Let's not get into the whole level/level discrepancy from comic #12... :smallwink:

[Jaxzan Proditor]

Let's not get into the whole level/level discrepancy from comic #12... :smallwink:

I think that was what tyckspoon was talking about. :smalltongue:

[Falker]

Armor check penalties on skills are doubled for Swim. Roy wears a Breastplate (or did the last time we were explicitly told what his armor is) which would give a -8 to his Swim checks. Assuming he doesn't actually have any (or not many, at least) points in the Swim skill, he'd be struggling just to move even in calm water and have a pretty high risk of going under. So yeah, Roy wears medium armor that happens to be heavy. Contrast to Durkon, who wears heavy armor. (See also the up a level/down a level gag.)

In which strip did Roy say he wears medium armor? Also, why would a fighter NOT use a heavy armor?

[zinycor]

In which strip did Roy say he wears medium armor? Also, why would a fighter NOT use a heavy armor?

strip 902, and a fighter wouldn't use heavy armor if:

1)he found a better magical armor
2) he wanted to get a better dex bonus
3) he wanted to have a better score on stealth or swimming or some other skill
4) just don't feeling like wearing heavy armor

or any other reason :smallamused:

[Rogar Demonblud]

In 902 he explicitly says he's in heavy armor. Not medium.

[Keltest]

In 902 he explicitly says he's in heavy armor. Not medium.

he could have been referring to weight rather than armor type.

[Rogar Demonblud]

Weight doesn't affect the penalties for the Swim skill check. At Roy's level, he can probably bench press the Hulk.

[Keltest]

Weight doesn't affect the penalties for the Swim skill check. At Roy's level, he can probably bench press the Hulk.

The comic bounces back and forth between realistic "Don't swim in plate armor" and "Roy has the strength of a giant and the mass of several people and doesn't notice." levels of adherence to D&D.

Plus, your ability to swim only matters if youre able to swim at all. A guy with 5000 pounds of stuff on him wont even be making the swim check; he'll just sink.

[oball]

FWIW Roy swims through an underwater tunnel in #187 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0187.html), seemingly without hesitation or trepidation.

[Yanisa]

FWIW Roy swims through an underwater tunnel in #187 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0187.html), seemingly without hesitation or trepidation.

He does look less happy then Haley.

Also in #4 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0004.html) & #5 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0005.html), it is implied that Roy runs faster then Durkon and seemingly as fast as Elan, although the second could be just limited room in the panel.