clone vs resurrection

[Someonelse]

Can clone prevent resurrection? It says the soul must be willing to return, but does the soul have a choice if a clone has been made but someone casts resurrection?

[Crake]

Can clone prevent resurrection? It says the soul must be willing to return, but does the soul have a choice if a clone has been made but someone casts resurrection?

Well, if the clone was made beforehand, and is simply awaiting the person to die, then as soon as they die, they go to the clone. There'd be no time for someone to cast resurrection in that time. On the other hand, if the clone is still under construction (2d4 months) then there'd be ample time for someone to cast resurrection before the clone triggers.

In the first scenario, the dead person could choose to reject the clone resurrection, but that would result in the clone going to waste.

[Someonelse]

What if the subject were an epic spell caster with contingent resurrection though?

[Gildedragon]

The spellcaster becomes a Dvati

[holywhippet]

I think you could refuse to accept a resurrection but then later accept being brought back in your cloned body. Presumably you are aware of who/what is trying to bring you back to life.

[Someonelse]

BBEG has contingent resurrection, if we make a clone of him, then kill him, will he resurrect or will he go to his clone?

[Chronos]

Even with a contingent resurrection, the timing would still be quite tricky. If the soul isn't available at the time the clone finishes growing, it becomes an inert lump of dead matter. So you'd have to arrange for Resurrection to be cast at the exact moment the clone finishes growing.

And even if you did somehow time it just right, both methods of bringing someone back allow the soul a choice whether to accept it. The subject could just turn down the Clone but accept the Resurrection, or vice-versa.

[holywhippet]

My understanding is that if you use clone and the person isn't dead at the time of completion you can just use spells like gentle repose to keep the cloned body intact until the person does die.

[Zanos]

Even with a contingent resurrection, the timing would still be quite tricky. If the soul isn't available at the time the clone finishes growing, it becomes an inert lump of dead matter. So you'd have to arrange for Resurrection to be cast at the exact moment the clone finishes growing.

And even if you did somehow time it just right, both methods of bringing someone back allow the soul a choice whether to accept it. The subject could just turn down the Clone but accept the Resurrection, or vice-versa.
Stasis Clone fixes the first problem.

[Chronos]

Quoth holywhippet:

My understanding is that if you use clone and the person isn't dead at the time of completion you can just use spells like gentle repose to keep the cloned body intact until the person does die.
You sure can, which gives you a preserved corpse. The problem isn't in keeping the clone body intact; the problem is in getting the soul into it. That only happens at the moment the body finishes growing-- After that, it's mostly irrelevant if it rots, because there's no way to transfer the soul anyway.

I was not aware of the Stasis Clone spell. That does indeed solve this problem, though it's a higher level and from a splatbook, so less likely to be available.

[Crake]

why are you trying to use clone to bring back the bbeg? you know he can just... not accept the clone res right? There's nothing FORCING him to come back in the clone body you prepared.