Garktz
2014-06-03, 07:51 AM
Hi guys, I.ve a couple of questions about the tittle topic.
Me and my party are going to face a vampiric dragon, old one, really cunning, passed as an ally before and now betrayed us so I got this grudge against her and my character took this betrayal as something really personal since he.s a cleric devoted to hunt down and slaying any undeads on sight [cleric 10 / kemelmvor.s doomguide 10 / Hierophant 1] (that means, full cleric casting + bonus stuff from doomguid + divine reach) and i went for dmm: persist
the rest of the party consists on a [fighter 1 / barbarian 14 / Frenzied Berserker 6] we didnt knew by that time about lion totem so he doesnt have punce but went for jump attack and shock trooper + rage + fury + pa for tons of dmg on charge a [wizard 18 / archmage 3]balting one, most used spells are: orb of force, fireball, disintegrate and prismatic eye, so is not that "good" altough her spells are half picked by me (she asks for help) so spell selection is kind of good and a [rogue / spellthief] (with a couple of dips but not sure where) i know he.s craven and deals half sneak attack dmg to undead so he might be just ok
So, here comes the actual tactic but I.m unsure it will work/develop as i think...
We know her for good, she tricked us a few times and she got us to do some of her dirty work so I.m expecting that when we confront her, she might be in elf form or we can convince her to take her form "1 last time, to see that beauty again" or to "lets talk about why before we try to kill each other"...
Anyway i just want her to be in elf form so the wizard and i can pull this:
Storing ring with greater celerity + miracle for celerity + divine reach + chain spell so all the party gets celerity (unsure about this, i.ve a b plan i case i cant do this)
With celerity on all the members what goes next is:
1º barbarian jump attack her
2º rogue dd behind her and sneak attack her
3º wizard forcecage the 3 of them
4º divine reach + Amf centered on her
with this comes the questions about amf:
What happends to her if in elf form, gets inside a amf?
Does she revert back to dragon? or stays in elf form and cant revert back to dragon because her magic doesnt work?
In case she can revert back to dragon because the amf doesnt prevent it, will she be able to do it or, she cant because she doesnt fit inside the forcecage and she.s stuck in elf form?
And in case i cant divine reach + chain spell + celerity
1º Rogue uses ring with greater celerity, hold barbarian and dd by her
2º Wizard uses celerity and forcecage them in
3º I use a dmm: quickened + divine reach amf centered on her
In case we can dd INSIDE amf
1º celerity + forcecage
2º Ring with celerity + divine reach amf
3º dd in
Disclaimer: We are entering the BBEG tower, big ass full of enemies BBEG tower, we are in such a hurry our dm told us we cannot rest, otherwise, we fail stopping the spell BBEG is readying to take over the world, this vampiric silver dragon IS NOT the BBEG even though is somewhere between old and wyrm.... so i want to take it with just a couple of spells because i think the barbarian and the rogue wont have any trouble at all killing her in elf form inside an amf (no casting, no magic items) with some orbs of force trew in (orbs of line of spells are conjurations so they work inside of it)
If none of this works, how can you kill a vampiric silver dragon whom at least is old, without expendin a lot of resources on it because you might have to face the bbeg right after?
Edit:
Dm doesnt optimizes at all and i bet he wont ever see this comming until we pull it out...
He banned already frostburn (shivering touch main reason) and fobbiden me to use gate at all the moment i said i would nuke the bastard down (vampiric dragon) by gating a solar and dmm: quicken mass heal + mass heal + mass heal from solar + quickened heal via metamagic rod from solar (bead of karma brings me up to cl 25 so that means 500hp dmg from me + 350 hp dmg from the solar in case it worked) and he got mad, said it wasnt fair and told me not to do that....
Me and my party are going to face a vampiric dragon, old one, really cunning, passed as an ally before and now betrayed us so I got this grudge against her and my character took this betrayal as something really personal since he.s a cleric devoted to hunt down and slaying any undeads on sight [cleric 10 / kemelmvor.s doomguide 10 / Hierophant 1] (that means, full cleric casting + bonus stuff from doomguid + divine reach) and i went for dmm: persist
the rest of the party consists on a [fighter 1 / barbarian 14 / Frenzied Berserker 6] we didnt knew by that time about lion totem so he doesnt have punce but went for jump attack and shock trooper + rage + fury + pa for tons of dmg on charge a [wizard 18 / archmage 3]balting one, most used spells are: orb of force, fireball, disintegrate and prismatic eye, so is not that "good" altough her spells are half picked by me (she asks for help) so spell selection is kind of good and a [rogue / spellthief] (with a couple of dips but not sure where) i know he.s craven and deals half sneak attack dmg to undead so he might be just ok
So, here comes the actual tactic but I.m unsure it will work/develop as i think...
We know her for good, she tricked us a few times and she got us to do some of her dirty work so I.m expecting that when we confront her, she might be in elf form or we can convince her to take her form "1 last time, to see that beauty again" or to "lets talk about why before we try to kill each other"...
Anyway i just want her to be in elf form so the wizard and i can pull this:
Storing ring with greater celerity + miracle for celerity + divine reach + chain spell so all the party gets celerity (unsure about this, i.ve a b plan i case i cant do this)
With celerity on all the members what goes next is:
1º barbarian jump attack her
2º rogue dd behind her and sneak attack her
3º wizard forcecage the 3 of them
4º divine reach + Amf centered on her
with this comes the questions about amf:
What happends to her if in elf form, gets inside a amf?
Does she revert back to dragon? or stays in elf form and cant revert back to dragon because her magic doesnt work?
In case she can revert back to dragon because the amf doesnt prevent it, will she be able to do it or, she cant because she doesnt fit inside the forcecage and she.s stuck in elf form?
And in case i cant divine reach + chain spell + celerity
1º Rogue uses ring with greater celerity, hold barbarian and dd by her
2º Wizard uses celerity and forcecage them in
3º I use a dmm: quickened + divine reach amf centered on her
In case we can dd INSIDE amf
1º celerity + forcecage
2º Ring with celerity + divine reach amf
3º dd in
Disclaimer: We are entering the BBEG tower, big ass full of enemies BBEG tower, we are in such a hurry our dm told us we cannot rest, otherwise, we fail stopping the spell BBEG is readying to take over the world, this vampiric silver dragon IS NOT the BBEG even though is somewhere between old and wyrm.... so i want to take it with just a couple of spells because i think the barbarian and the rogue wont have any trouble at all killing her in elf form inside an amf (no casting, no magic items) with some orbs of force trew in (orbs of line of spells are conjurations so they work inside of it)
If none of this works, how can you kill a vampiric silver dragon whom at least is old, without expendin a lot of resources on it because you might have to face the bbeg right after?
Edit:
Dm doesnt optimizes at all and i bet he wont ever see this comming until we pull it out...
He banned already frostburn (shivering touch main reason) and fobbiden me to use gate at all the moment i said i would nuke the bastard down (vampiric dragon) by gating a solar and dmm: quicken mass heal + mass heal + mass heal from solar + quickened heal via metamagic rod from solar (bead of karma brings me up to cl 25 so that means 500hp dmg from me + 350 hp dmg from the solar in case it worked) and he got mad, said it wasnt fair and told me not to do that....