Antimagic Field as a 5th level spell?

[Qizzok]

The Runescarred Berserker PrC from 3.0's Unapproachable East (http://dndtools.eu/classes/runescarred-berserker/) learns Antimagic Field as a 5th level spell, albeit in a form that cannot be directly cast. The feat Scribe Scroll requires a caster level and knowledge of a spell, but as far as I can tell does not require the ability to actually cast the spell being scribed. Suppose a character were to reach 9th level of Runescarred Berserker, learn Antimagic Field, and then either take a level in sorcerer and the feat Scribe Scroll, or find a spellcaster with the feat Scribe Scroll.

Question one: Would it be possible for this character or pair of characters to scribe a scroll of Antimagic Field?
Question two: Would this scroll of Antimagic Field hold it as a 5th level spell?
Question three: Could a wizard learn Antimagic Field as a 5th level spell from this scroll?

If so, and if this wizard were particularly philanthropic, this could result in a world where any class that can learn spells from scrolls or spellbooks (e.g. wizards, archivists, STP Erudites,) could learn Antimagic Field as a 5th level spell from anyone who already knew it. This wouldn't be practical in the course of normal gameplay, but would it be theoretically possible?

EDIT: Yeah, it's a divine spell. It doesn't say that an RSB can only scribe spells on their body, though, it says they can only cast them in this way. By my understanding it should be possible for an RSB to scribe a scroll of Antimagic Field, which an archivist could then put in their prayer book as a 5th level spell. It couldn't be learned by other classes but for the Archivist it seems feasible.

[Kazudo]

Well, even if there were some way, it's a Divine spell, which wizards can't cast without requisite levels in something else. An Archivist could, perhaps, but it says that a Runescarred Berserker can only scribe runescars on their own body.

[Gemini476]

Well, even if there were some way, it's a Divine spell, which wizards can't cast without requisite levels in something else. An Archivist could, perhaps, but it says that a Runescarred Berserker can only scribe runescars on their own body.

They could still cooperate with an Archivist to provide the spell to be scribed, though. Or at least that's how it seems to me - the exact some-what relevant quotes are

A runescar berserker can only cast spells by crafting them as runescars; she has no other spellcasting capability and cannot use spell completion or spell trigger magic items based on spells from this list.

[...]She may scribe a runescar only on her own body.

Can you craft an item based on a spell from a wand or scroll? If you can, then the runescar berserker could probably help the Archivist with some mutual crafting.


If you want to get 5th-level AMF on a Wizard, take two levels in the Wyrm Wizard PrC.

Spell Research (Ex): One of the greatest advantages that you gain from consulting draconic lore is the ability to unlock magical secrets forbidden to other wizards. Starting at 2nd level, select one spell from any class's spell list (including divine spells), of a level equal to or lower than the highest-level arcane spell you can prepare and cast. You can add this spell to your arcane spellcasting class spell list as a spell of the same level; all other aspects of the spell remain unchanged. At every even-numbered level thereafter, you gain the knowledge and use of one additional spell in this manner.

[Biffoniacus_Furiou]

From Runescarred Berserker:
"A runescar berserker can only cast spells by crafting them as runescars; she has no other spellcasting capability and cannot use spell completion or spell trigger magic items based on spells from this list."
"Runescars are considered divine spells, although a berserker does not actively prepare or cast them... All runescar spells target only the runescarred berserker or an item in her possession, even if the spell scribed could normally be bestowed on another subject."

From magic item prerequisites (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/magicItemBasics.htm#prerequisites):
"A spell prerequisite may be provided by a character who has prepared the spell (or who knows the spell, in the case of a sorcerer or bard), or through the use of a spell completion or spell trigger magic item or a spell-like ability that produces the desired spell effect. For each day that passes in the creation process, the creator must expend one spell completion item or one charge from a spell trigger item if either of those objects is used to supply a prerequisite."

1. To fulfill a spell prerequisite, you must spend a daily use of the spell in question per day it takes to make the item, or one spell completion item or one charge from a spell trigger item per day it takes to make the item. Runescars are none of the above, and cannot be used to meet magic item prerequisites. You cannot make a scroll of a 5th level Antimagic Field.

2. If the above had been possible, then it would have been a divine scroll of a 5th level Antimagic Field.

3. Wizards can only learn spells at the levels they appear on the Wizard spell list, and can only learn spells from arcane scrolls. If a Wizard gets a divine scroll of Dismissal (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/dismissal.htm), he cannot learn it because it's a divine scroll, and even if that were somehow an arcane scroll of a 4th level Dismissal, it would still be a 5th level spell for him because he uses the Wizard spell list. If a Bard creates a 6th level Irresistible Dance (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/irresistibleDance.htm) scroll, and a Wizard learns Irresistible Dance form that scroll, he would learn it as an 8th level Wizard spell.

[Doc_Maynot]

You could cut out the initial caster and leave it to a 7th level Chameleon.

[Qizzok]

"A spell prerequisite may be provided by a character who has prepared the spell (or who knows the spell, in the case of a sorcerer or bard)"

"The berserker knows only a limited number of spells with which to imbue runescars, selected from the runescarred berserker spell list below. To learn a runescar spell, the berserker must have a Wisdom score of at least 10 + the spell level."

I read this as saying that the RSB knows the spell, but can't cast it, and can therefore provide the spell prerequisite without expending anything, as a sorcerer or bard would.

RAW I would say that "may scribe a runescar only on her own body" doesn't preclude scribing the spell used in making a runescar on a scroll. This may just be a matter of terminology though.

[Flickerdart]

"A spell prerequisite may be provided by a character who has prepared the spell (or who knows the spell, in the case of a sorcerer or bard)"
I don't see "runescarred berserker" on that list. ;)

[Qizzok]

I don't see Favored Soul either, but it would take a very strict reading to exclude all spontaneous casters besides sorcerers and bards.

Though, RSB isn't a caster, so there is some room for debate.

[Biffoniacus_Furiou]

I don't see Favored Soul either, but it would take a very strict reading to exclude all spontaneous casters besides sorcerers and bards.

Though, RSB isn't a caster, so there is some room for debate.

It's irrelevant. A Wizard who learns Antimagic Field learns it as a 6th level Wizard spell, regardless of what the spell's level is on whatever scroll he finds, because he learns it as a Wizard spell, not as a Runescarred Berserker spell.

[ericgrau]

It could go on a staff as a 5th level spell where it would be neither arcane or divine. Anyone with AMF on their spell list could then use it regardless of what spell level AMF is on their list.

It could be put on a scroll as a 5th level divine scroll and then any divine caster could cast it.

As for learning it as a 5th and becoming one of your regular spells per day, nope.