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Tantum Umbra
2014-06-04, 07:12 AM
The master spellthief feat + Chameleon makes it possible to ramp up the caster level of the Chameleon pretty well, but as far as i can read it really only affects his arcane spells? Is there any way to boost the divine spells of the chameleon?

malonkey1
2014-06-04, 07:20 AM
The master spellthief feat + Chameleon makes it possible to ramp up the caster level of the Chameleon pretty well, but as far as i can read it really only affects his arcane spells? Is there any way to boost the divine spells of the chameleon?

Well, There's Alternate Source Spell (Dragon Magazine #325)

You can prepare any of your spells as either divine or arcane.
Prerequisite: Ability to cast both divine and arcane spells.
Benefit: You can choose to prepare any of your divine spells as arcane spells or any of your arcane spells as divine spells. An alternative-sourced spell uses up a spell slot from the class that normally grants the spell. Such a spell is prepared normally. An alternative-sourced spell is cast as if your caster level were 1 level lower. For example, a 1st-level cleric/6th-level wizard casts a divine fireball as a 5th-level wizard.

It doesn't actually increase your divine caster level, but it lets you piggyback your divine casting onto your arcane, which is almost as good.

Tantum Umbra
2014-06-04, 07:27 AM
Wait wait wait....

With chameleon casting both divine and arcane spells.. would that.. allow him to say go divine focus and then cast his divine spells regularly and then cast his arcane spells there at the same time as well or? >_<*

HammeredWharf
2014-06-04, 07:39 AM
I'm not sure what you mean, but yes, eventually a Chameleon can get both divine and arcane focuses going on at the same time.

Doc_Maynot
2014-06-04, 07:56 AM
Problem, you would need to qualify for Alternate Source Spell without Chameleon.

Fouredged Sword
2014-06-04, 08:01 AM
Spellthief 1 / Cloistered Cleric 1 of oli / Beguiler (or more spellthief) 3 / Chameleon 10 / Trapsmith 5 with Alternate Source is a perfectly valid build. Note, you have to have the divine focus to cast spells from divine lists, but you can cast them AS arcane spells, meaning you deal with ASF but get the caster level boost.

CL 19 on chameleon and trapsmith spells.

Doc_Maynot
2014-06-04, 08:04 AM
"Your caster level is equal to twice your class level."

So CL 29.

Fouredged Sword
2014-06-04, 08:08 AM
Actually it's even worse, CL 38, as you add your class levels up and double it, and you have 19 levels of arcane casting classes. (chameleon + spellthief + trapsmith) * 2, and CL 19 for your trapsmith spells (though that is kinda tacked onto the end, you can take any casting skillmonkey class, like beguiler or such.

Tantum Umbra
2014-06-06, 09:48 AM
Madness!.....